[Breeze] [Bug 362631] KAlarm icon is indistinct and unrecognisable at smaller sizes

[andreas]

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=362631

andreas  changed:

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 Status|REOPENED|RESOLVED
 Resolution|--- |FIXED

--- Comment #17 from andreas  ---
thanks for the feedback the size of the pause, stop symbols are the same than
for any other icon so it's defined in the HIGs.

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[Breeze] [Bug 362631] KAlarm icon is indistinct and unrecognisable at smaller sizes

[David Jarvie]

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=362631

--- Comment #16 from David Jarvie  ---
I'm sorry, but I've just discovered that the code in kalarm used to display the
icons was causing the Oxygen icon to be shown. Also, the icons show differently
in two different systems - overwriting the existing icons in Fedora 23 doesn't
fix things, but in a self-built KDE Applications 16.04 (which is the latest I
can build because of the new QtWebEngine dependency), I installed the new icons
and they all appear as the bell icon, with differences depending on the
enabled/disabled state.

The only comment I would make is that at small icon sizes there isn't much
difference between the three icons - I think it might be better to make the
pause and stop symbols (for kalarm-disabled and kalarm-partdisabled) a bit
bigger so that they are clearer.

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[Breeze] [Bug 362631] KAlarm icon is indistinct and unrecognisable at smaller sizes

[David Jarvie]

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=362631

David Jarvie  changed:

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 Status|RESOLVED|REOPENED
 Resolution|FIXED   |---

--- Comment #15 from David Jarvie  ---
I don't see any difference after installing the latest icon. When alarms are
disabled, the system tray icon still uses the Oxygen 'kalarm-disabled' icon,
not the Breeze bell icon. The system tray tooltip still shows a black (not
grey) bell no matter what the enabled/disabled status is.

As before, I installed the new icon into
/usr/share/plasma/desktoptheme/default/icons/, logged out and deleted
/var/tmp/kdecach-... before trying it out.

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[Breeze] [Bug 362631] KAlarm icon is indistinct and unrecognisable at smaller sizes

[andreas]

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=362631

andreas  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

  Latest Commit|https://commits.kde.org/pla |https://commits.kde.org/pla
   |sma-framework/aacf4f9aa485e |sma-framework/c65edd7167155
   |615e7c18a61ca37dbf4dba2439f |657de1324b9360a90601ad79ad0
 Resolution|--- |FIXED
 Status|REOPENED|RESOLVED

--- Comment #14 from andreas  ---
Git commit c65edd7167155657de1324b9360a90601ad79ad0 by andreas kainz.
Committed on 24/01/2017 at 20:13.
Pushed by andreask into branch 'master'.

KAlarm icon is indistinct and unrecognisable at smaller sizes

M  +---src/desktoptheme/breeze/icons/kalarm.svgz

https://commits.kde.org/plasma-framework/c65edd7167155657de1324b9360a90601ad79ad0

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[Breeze] [Bug 362631] KAlarm icon is indistinct and unrecognisable at smaller sizes

[David Jarvie]

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=362631

David Jarvie  changed:

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 Status|RESOLVED|REOPENED
 Resolution|FIXED   |---

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[Breeze] [Bug 362631] KAlarm icon is indistinct and unrecognisable at smaller sizes

[David Jarvie]

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=362631

--- Comment #13 from David Jarvie  ---
Created attachment 103523
  --> https://bugs.kde.org/attachment.cgi?id=103523=edit
Icons shown in the system tray

I installed the new icon into /usr/share/plasma/desktoptheme/default/icons/,
logged out and deleted /var/tmp/kdecach-..., but the old KDE 4 icon is still
shown in the panel's hidden icon menu when alarms are disabled. Also, the bell
icon is always black, never grey, regardless of the enabled/disabled state of
KAlarm.

I attach screenshots showing the system tray tooltip and hidden icon menu, for
the 3 KAlarm states: active, partly disabled and fully disabled. As you will
see, they show 3 black bell icons, all identical, and one KDE 4 icon.

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[Breeze] [Bug 362631] KAlarm icon is indistinct and unrecognisable at smaller sizes

[andreas]

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=362631

andreas  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Status|REOPENED|RESOLVED
 Resolution|--- |FIXED
  Latest Commit|https://commits.kde.org/bre |https://commits.kde.org/pla
   |eze-icons/eca9bf79a39cc553c |sma-framework/aacf4f9aa485e
   |e2faa413110322bb8d94d86 |615e7c18a61ca37dbf4dba2439f

--- Comment #12 from andreas  ---
Git commit aacf4f9aa485e615e7c18a61ca37dbf4dba2439f by andreas kainz.
Committed on 17/01/2017 at 22:42.
Pushed by andreask into branch 'master'.

update kalarm icon

M  +---src/desktoptheme/breeze/icons/kalarm.svgz

https://commits.kde.org/plasma-framework/aacf4f9aa485e615e7c18a61ca37dbf4dba2439f

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[Breeze] [Bug 362631] KAlarm icon is indistinct and unrecognisable at smaller sizes

[David Jarvie]

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=362631

David Jarvie  changed:

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 Status|RESOLVED|REOPENED
 Resolution|FIXED   |---

--- Comment #11 from David Jarvie  ---
I really like that now - thank you.

The only problem remaining is that it still shows the old KDE 4 monochrome icon
in the system tray when all alarms are disabled (icon name 'kalarm-disabled'),
which doesn't fit with the new bell icons. All other icons (in the system tray
and elsewhere) are fine - they use the icon names 'kalarm' and
'kalarm-partdisabled'.

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[Breeze] [Bug 362631] KAlarm icon is indistinct and unrecognisable at smaller sizes

[andreas]

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=362631

--- Comment #10 from andreas  ---
does it fit now?

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[Breeze] [Bug 362631] KAlarm icon is indistinct and unrecognisable at smaller sizes

[andreas]

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=362631

andreas  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

  Latest Commit||https://commits.kde.org/bre
   ||eze-icons/eca9bf79a39cc553c
   ||e2faa413110322bb8d94d86
 Resolution|--- |FIXED
 Status|REOPENED|RESOLVED

--- Comment #9 from andreas  ---
Git commit eca9bf79a39cc553ce2faa413110322bb8d94d86 by andreas kainz.
Committed on 04/01/2017 at 22:14.
Pushed by andreask into branch 'master'.

update kalarm icon

T  +169  -1icons-dark/apps/48/kalarm.svg
T  +169  -1icons/apps/48/kalarm.svg

https://commits.kde.org/breeze-icons/eca9bf79a39cc553ce2faa413110322bb8d94d86

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[Breeze] [Bug 362631] KAlarm icon is indistinct and unrecognisable at smaller sizes

[David Jarvie]

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=362631

David Jarvie  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Status|RESOLVED|REOPENED
 Resolution|FIXED   |---

--- Comment #8 from David Jarvie  ---
The bell icon is good. However, at least under Fedora 23, the bell icon is only
shown when alarms are enabled. The previous "greenish blob" Breeze icon is
shown when individual alarms are disabled (icon name kalarm-partdisabled), and
the old KAlarm icon (pre-Breeze) is shown when all alarms are disabled (icon
name kalarm-disabled).

In addition, the "greenish blob" icon still seems to be used in all other
circumstances, regardless of the icon size shown. Because it is so indistinct
at icon sizes smaller than 64x64 (and even at 64x64 it still isn't particularly
obvious what it is until you look carefully), I really think that the icon
needs a redesign.

At the very least, the current icon shouldn't be used at sizes smaller than
64x64, and the new kalarm-disabled and kalarm-partdisabled icons need to be
provided.

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[Breeze] [Bug 362631] KAlarm icon is indistinct and unrecognisable at smaller sizes

[andreas via KDE Bugzilla]

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=362631

andreas  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Resolution|--- |FIXED
 Status|CONFIRMED   |RESOLVED

--- Comment #7 from andreas  ---
I add a kalarm icon to the breeze plasma theme (monochrome bell) hope you like
it.

https://github.com/KDE/plasma-framework/blob/master/src/desktoptheme/breeze/icons/kalarm.svgz

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[Breeze] [Bug 362631] KAlarm icon is indistinct and unrecognisable at smaller sizes

[David Jarvie via KDE Bugzilla]

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=362631

--- Comment #6 from David Jarvie  ---
I tried out the 24x24 chronometer icons. The 'chronometer' icon doesn't look
obviously connected to KAlarm at all, and it's also completely different from
the other chronometer icons. The basic idea might work in the system tray, with
the normal kalarm icon being the same as chronometer-start but with the arrow
in the middle removed (i.e. an empty circle). Since the normal status of KAlarm
is to have alarms enabled, I don't think it's appropriate to show the arrow in
the 'kalarm' icon.

I don't see a suitable icon for kalarm-disabled or kalarm-partdisabled. For me,
the chronometer-pause icon doesn't convey a disabled meaning if the normal
'kalarm' icon doesn't have the arrow in the middle. Perhaps some other
variations on the same basic idea might work for these two icons, though.

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[Breeze] [Bug 362631] KAlarm icon is indistinct and unrecognisable at smaller sizes

[andreas via KDE Bugzilla]

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=362631

--- Comment #5 from andreas  ---
Hi David,

for the system tray icons please have a look at the action icons
chronometer-xxx should they work for you or do you want bells?

If you need same usability feedback the vdg has also great experience in
usability. your app is very feature rich. it is difficult to have so much
features easy to use for the users.

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[Breeze] [Bug 362631] KAlarm icon is indistinct and unrecognisable at smaller sizes

[David Jarvie via KDE Bugzilla]

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=362631

--- Comment #4 from David Jarvie  ---
Note that the kalarm-disabled and kalarm-partdisabled icons provided by the
KAlarm package are only used in the system tray, whereas the kalarm icon (also
provided by the KAlarm package, as well as Breeze) is used both in the system
tray and as a general purpose application icon.

If systray icons are always supposed to be black and white, perhaps the
kalarm-disabled icon, which currently is monochrome to distinguish it from the
coloured 'kalarm' icon, should be provided by Breeze as the normal icon with a
big diagonal line through it. Just an idea.

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[Breeze] [Bug 362631] KAlarm icon is indistinct and unrecognisable at smaller sizes

[Thomas Pfeiffer via KDE Bugzilla]

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=362631

Thomas Pfeiffer  changed:

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 CC||thomas.pfeif...@kde.org

--- Comment #3 from Thomas Pfeiffer  ---
The systray should not use icons fromt he Application category, anyway, because
those are colored whereas systray icons are black and white.

That said: I agree that the current KAlarm icon is too complex for smaller
sizes. What a Google search for "alarm icon" shows is that the most common
metaphors for alarm are either a mechanical alarm clock or a bell.
Both are not "modern", but easily identifiable even in small sizes with few
details. Maybe we should just stick with the classic metaphors, same as the
"floppy disk = save".

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[Breeze] [Bug 362631] KAlarm icon is indistinct and unrecognisable at smaller sizes

[David Jarvie via KDE Bugzilla]

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=362631

--- Comment #2 from David Jarvie  ---
Yes, the KAlarm icon is used in the system tray as well. Note that KAlarm uses
three variations of its icon in the system tray to indicate its status, with
the following icon names:
  - 'kalarm': the normal icon, indicating that all alarms are enabled.
  - 'kalarm-disabled': indicates that all alarms are currently disabled. In the
icons shipped with KAlarm, this is simply a monochrome version of the 'kalarm'
icon.
  - 'kalarm-partdisabled': indicates that some alarms are currently disabled.
In the icons shipped with KAlarm, this is the 'kalarm' icon with a small 'x' in
the bottom right corner.

If you run KAlarm and disable alarms, you will see that the system tray icon
changes from the Breeze icon to one of the icons shipped in the KAlarm package.
When alarms are re-enabled, the icon changes back to the Breeze icon.

You can see the icons packaged with KAlarm at
https://quickgit.kde.org/?p=kdepim.git=tree=502b1ab43c82229a48e214abc7bd3969e7e2f8df=13334822110ee656602e0f449faad1bb6a26500f=kalarm%2Fsrc%2Fpixmaps

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[Breeze] [Bug 362631] KAlarm icon is indistinct and unrecognisable at smaller sizes

[andreas via KDE Bugzilla]

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=362631

andreas  changed:

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 Status|UNCONFIRMED |CONFIRMED
 Ever confirmed|0   |1

--- Comment #1 from andreas  ---
will have to find a usefull new icon. is the icon used in the system tray too?

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