[dolphin] [Bug 371130] unable to reassign standard shortcut for backspace to "up" instead of "back"

[Nate Graham]

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=371130

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[dolphin] [Bug 371130] unable to reassign standard shortcut for backspace to "up" instead of "back"

[Méven Car]

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=371130

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--- Comment #19 from Méven Car  ---
Git commit c57c5384fcab92a1ba0d8fd87321ce7cb148ca02 by Méven Car, on behalf of
Forest ix.
Committed on 09/02/2023 at 11:17.
Pushed by meven into branch 'master'.

Reveal the Backspace shortcut in the UI

Since the Back action already has two standard shortcuts, a third one appended
to the list will be invisible in the UI, which shows only the first two.  This
leaves users unable to reassign it.

We therefore make it the first shortcut in the list, so that the hidden third
entry will be the dedicated Back button, which users are far less likely to
want reassigned.

M  +2-1src/dolphinmainwindow.cpp

https://invent.kde.org/system/dolphin/commit/c57c5384fcab92a1ba0d8fd87321ce7cb148ca02

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[dolphin] [Bug 371130] unable to reassign standard shortcut for backspace to "up" instead of "back"

[Nate Graham]

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=371130

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[dolphin] [Bug 371130] unable to reassign standard shortcut for backspace to "up" instead of "back"

[Bug Janitor Service]

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=371130

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--- Comment #18 from Bug Janitor Service  ---
A possibly relevant merge request was started @
https://invent.kde.org/system/dolphin/-/merge_requests/502

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[dolphin] [Bug 371130] unable to reassign standard shortcut for backspace to "up" instead of "back"

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[dolphin] [Bug 371130] unable to reassign standard shortcut for backspace to "up" instead of "back"

[Julius R.]

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=371130

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--- Comment #17 from Julius R.  ---
+1 for swapping Backspace and Back. Count me in on this one. This is hellishly
annyoing.

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[dolphin] [Bug 371130] unable to reassign standard shortcut for backspace to "up" instead of "back"

[Alexander]

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[dolphin] [Bug 371130] unable to reassign standard shortcut for backspace to "up" instead of "back"

[Pietro Pizzi]

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=371130

--- Comment #16 from Pietro Pizzi  ---
Or, please, make that additional columns! 3 1/2 years ... HHCIB?

And no, I wouldn't imagine a world where a linux user is such a DAU that "this
might also easily overwhelm users" can be true! WTF ... more then 2 options
could be to much for some human beings now a days, we are doomed.

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[dolphin] [Bug 371130] unable to reassign standard shortcut for backspace to "up" instead of "back"

[Alex]

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=371130

--- Comment #15 from Alex  ---
I can confirm that issue and there are other bugs as well when having more than
2 assigned shortcuts, but those should go on a separate bug report I suppose.

For now within Dolphin there's little to do about these issues without
reassigning or deleting existing shortcuts. We could either swap Backspace and
Back shortcuts (still problematic) or reassign Backspace to Up by default
(changes behavior on a frequently used existing action).

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[dolphin] [Bug 371130] unable to reassign standard shortcut for backspace to "up" instead of "back"

[Zdeněk Válek]

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=371130

--- Comment #14 from Zdeněk Válek  ---
OK, I have created a new user account to check this and another bug. This bug
is still there (Dolphin 18.08.8 on Debian buster), I mean the automatic
reassignment of Backspace issue:
When I attempt to use Backspace for "Up", conflict is detected and reassignment
offered.
I choose to reassign, but it fails silently.
Next time I hit Backspace the ambiguous shortcut is reported.(only if the Back
action is active, it is not a problem if I just opened Dolphin and did not
change folder yet).

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[dolphin] [Bug 371130] unable to reassign standard shortcut for backspace to "up" instead of "back"

[Zdeněk Válek]

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=371130

--- Comment #13 from Zdeněk Válek  ---
Agreed, but we don't need to remove any shortcut. Perfect fix would be to fix
the automatic reasignment, which is offered in case someone tries to set the
Backspace for something else. It would solve the problem for me if it worked,
but it didn't. Automatic reassignment failed silently resulting in ambiguous
shortcut.
(I am afraid that I cannot confirm that in my current version, because I have
already fixed that and I don't know how to return to the original state without
creation of new account.)

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[dolphin] [Bug 371130] unable to reassign standard shortcut for backspace to "up" instead of "back"

[Alex]

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--- Comment #12 from Alex  ---
All three shortcuts make sense here and it's a very frequently used action, we
shouldn't remove or reassign any of them. The first 2 come from
KStandardShortcut and Backspace is specific to Dolphin.

+1 for swapping Backspace and Back as suggested above until this is dealt with
outside of Dolphin. This is easy to do but I'm hesitant to submit a patch
because with this approach it would appear as if Dolphin is ignoring standard
shortcuts in the shortcuts dialog.

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[dolphin] [Bug 371130] unable to reassign standard shortcut for backspace to "up" instead of "back"

[Zdeněk Válek]

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=371130

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--- Comment #11 from Zdeněk Válek  ---
Please fix this bug. It is extremely deceptive and it causes permanent
frustration when using Dolphin.
I don' have any alternate shortcut set, it is empty (deleted years ago), yet
still I don't see the Backspace being assigned. Only after I remove the primary
shortcut, which I wanted to keep, the Backspace get visible in Alternate column
and can be removed.

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[dolphin] [Bug 371130] unable to reassign standard shortcut for backspace to "up" instead of "back"

[Daniel Scharrer]

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=371130

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[dolphin] [Bug 371130] unable to reassign standard shortcut for backspace to "up" instead of "back"

[Forest]

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=371130

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--- Comment #10 from Forest  ---
A cursory look at the code revealed (I think) where the hidden shortcut is
being added:
https://github.com/KDE/dolphin/blob/0303df092d93a39122fce82aade93d96d52430dc/src/dolphinmainwindow.cpp#L1315

+1 for fixing this. It wasted several hours of my day while I was test driving
KDE, and didn't exactly instill confidence in the platform.

If it's going to take a while to agree on a good UI for exposing all the
shortcuts, how about swapping the "Back" and "Backspace" shortcuts for now?
That ought to make the "Backspace" shortcut visible, which would avoid the
surprising experience of a keyboard shortcut not appearing with all the other
standard keyboard shortcuts, and the frustrating experience of a built-in
conflict that seems impossible to resolve.

The "Back" action usually comes from a dedicated mouse button or scroll wheel
tilt, or (less commonly) from a dedicated button on a keyboard. I expect that
remapping it is less common, so giving it the hidden shortcut position would
seem to be the lesser evil.

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[dolphin] [Bug 371130] unable to reassign standard shortcut for backspace to "up" instead of "back"

[Julian Schraner]

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=371130

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--- Comment #9 from Julian Schraner  ---
I do agree that adding more columns would probably be the best solution for
this specific problem, but this might also easily overwhelm users, so we'd need
to do it in a clever, UX-friendly way. For now, I'll set the status of the
report to CONFIRMED and maybe this will be implemented at some point.

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[dolphin] [Bug 371130] unable to reassign standard shortcut for backspace to "up" instead of "back"

[Pietro Pizzi]

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=371130

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--- Comment #8 from Pietro Pizzi  ---
OK. The actual solution is not really intuitive ;). I have this (with a lot of
anger) some time now till I found this thread. And It is even more confusing
because in the 'Standard Shortcuts' list there are 2 'Back' entries.

The best solution should be to implement more columns (Alternate 1, Alternate
2..). But it this is to hard you can eg. show us a pop-up if you hover over an
shortcut where there is a hidden 3rd one!?

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[dolphin] [Bug 371130] unable to reassign standard shortcut for backspace to "up" instead of "back"

[Julian Schraner]

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=371130

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--- Comment #7 from Julian Schraner  ---
This is a hard one: on one side we obviously want that users can reassign
shortcuts according to their preference. But the only way to fix this bug would
be to remove one current shortcut (unless we want to rewrite the KConfig dialog
to support more shortcuts for one action) which would then confuse existing
users who used the shortcut we removed. I see two ways of going forward:
1. Closing this report & maybe making an edit in the wiki so that all users who
would want to do that can use the workaround by jingyu9575, but not actually
fixing the problem
2. Removing one shortcut (e.g. Alt+Left) which would free up space for the
other two. Users who need the Alt+Left shortcut could still reassign
Back/Backspace to Alt+Left, but there could be confusion if this is not
expected (which is also bad).

@Christoph What do you think?

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[dolphin] [Bug 371130] unable to reassign standard shortcut for backspace to "up" instead of "back"

[S . Christian Collins]

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=371130

--- Comment #6 from S. Christian Collins  ---
Aah, so the real problem seems to be that not all of the assigned shortcut keys
for "Back" are visible in System Settings -> Shortcuts, or the "Configure
Shortcuts" option within the individual programs.

Thanks for the workaround, jingyu9575!

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[dolphin] [Bug 371130] unable to reassign standard shortcut for backspace to "up" instead of "back"

[bugzilla_noreply]

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--- Comment #5 from jingyu9...@hotmail.com ---
Same here (dolphin 16.04.3, KDE 5.26.0).

Workaround: there are actually 3 shortcut assigned to back: Alt+Left, "Back",
Backspace. However the dialog can only see the first two. If I remove Alt+Left,
the last two will shift, allowing me to remove the conflicting Backspace and
reassign Backspace to Up.

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[dolphin] [Bug 371130] unable to reassign standard shortcut for backspace to "up" instead of "back"

[Christoph Feck via KDE Bugzilla]

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=371130

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Product|frameworks-kconfig  |dolphin
   Assignee|matt...@mjdsystems.ca   |dolphin-bugs-n...@kde.org
Version|5.27.0  |16.08.2
  Component|general |general

--- Comment #4 from Christoph Feck  ---
Reassigning to Dolphin for investigation.

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