[kmail2] [Bug 368394] Outlook replies double-spaced paragraphs

[Balázs]

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=368394

Terényi, Balázs  changed:

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--- Comment #28 from Terényi, Balázs  ---
My workaround is copying the HTML to the editor window from the message view
pane. Very annoying, but works. I have new lines between paragraphs when
replying, maybe this is an another problem. Please solve this. Thanks in
advance!

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[kmail2] [Bug 368394] Outlook replies double-spaced paragraphs

[Syiad]

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--- Comment #27 from Syiad  ---
*** This bug has been confirmed by popular vote. ***

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[kmail2] [Bug 368394] Outlook replies double-spaced paragraphs

[Peter]

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--- Comment #26 from Peter  ---
I've been messing around with changing the templates, replacing %TEXT with
commands such as %TEXTPIPE="sed '/^$/d'" .It seems not to matter what
combination of line feeds (/n) or empty lines (^$) I delete, I get  a
superfluous line with one space between each line of the original message text.
 However, using 'Forward To', rather than 'Reply to Author' or 'Reply to All'
seems to work much better (although any embedded image files don't display).  I
have no idea, but might this help isolate the problem?   

Regards

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[kmail2] [Bug 368394] Outlook replies double-spaced paragraphs

[Emre]

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--- Comment #25 from Emre  ---
(In reply to Syiad from comment #24)
> Is someone actually working on this, or is the proposed solution to use
> Thunderbird instead of Kontact?
> 
> Why is kmail trying to change the format of the quoted html in the first
> place? This really makes e-mail responses look ridiculous, thereby
> prohibiting the use of Kontact/kmail in a professional context.

Hi Syiad, if you're suffering from this bug, I suggest you move to Evolution or
Outlook on the Web. I dont think this will be solved. It's been 7 years it's
been reported...

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[kmail2] [Bug 368394] Outlook replies double-spaced paragraphs

[Syiad]

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Version|5.18.90 |5.22.3
 CC||syiad.al-d...@web.de

--- Comment #24 from Syiad  ---
Is someone actually working on this, or is the proposed solution to use
Thunderbird instead of Kontact?

Why is kmail trying to change the format of the quoted html in the first place?
This really makes e-mail responses look ridiculous, thereby prohibiting the use
of Kontact/kmail in a professional context.

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[Daniel]

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--- Comment #23 from Daniel  ---
*** Bug 447881 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***

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[kmail2] [Bug 368394] Outlook replies double-spaced paragraphs

[Peter]

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--- Comment #22 from Peter  ---
Not entirely sure what I'm doing here, but I seem to have improved things a
little by modifying Settings-->Configure Kmail-->Standard Templates, so that
%QUOTE is replaced by %TEXTPIPE="sed '/^$/d'".  This seems to reduce the huge
spacing between lines when replying to Outlook-generated emails to something
vaguely acceptable.

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[kmail2] [Bug 368394] Outlook replies double-spaced paragraphs

[Peter]

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--- Comment #21 from Peter  ---
(In reply to Emre from comment #20)
> (In reply to Peter Wibberley from comment #19)
> > Actually kmail 5.18.3.
> > 
> > Given that a lot of email correspondents are using Outlook, this problem is
> > a bit inconvenient, and detracts from the professionalism of the replies we
> > make using kmail.  Any solution/workaround would be much appreciated.  
> > 
> > Thanks and regards
> 
>  Hi Peter, it seems this bug would not get resolved, probably it needs very
> heavy changes on Kmail and hence nobody touches it from the developers.
> Workarounds are proposed in other answers, ie switch to Evolution, or use
> Outlook on the Web, or even Thunderbird.

Emre,  

I'd like to keep with kmail, if at all possible.   I was wondering whether it
would be possible to define an external script that would replace all instances
of "margin-top:12px" and "margin-bottom:12px" with "margin-top:0px" and
"margin-bottom:0px".   Could such a script ten be attached to a user-defined
button?   Unfortunately, this is beyond my current (and possibly any future)
level of expertise.

Thanks and regards,

Peter

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[kmail2] [Bug 368394] Outlook replies double-spaced paragraphs

[Emre]

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--- Comment #20 from Emre  ---
(In reply to Peter Wibberley from comment #19)
> Actually kmail 5.18.3.
> 
> Given that a lot of email correspondents are using Outlook, this problem is
> a bit inconvenient, and detracts from the professionalism of the replies we
> make using kmail.  Any solution/workaround would be much appreciated.  
> 
> Thanks and regards

 Hi Peter, it seems this bug would not get resolved, probably it needs very
heavy changes on Kmail and hence nobody touches it from the developers.
Workarounds are proposed in other answers, ie switch to Evolution, or use
Outlook on the Web, or even Thunderbird.

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[kmail2] [Bug 368394] Outlook replies double-spaced paragraphs

[Peter Wibberley]

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   Platform|Archlinux Packages  |Neon Packages
Version|5.13.1  |5.18.90
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--- Comment #19 from Peter Wibberley  ---
Actually kmail 5.18.3.

Given that a lot of email correspondents are using Outlook, this problem is a
bit inconvenient, and detracts from the professionalism of the replies we make
using kmail.  Any solution/workaround would be much appreciated.  

Thanks and regards

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[bugzilla_noreply]

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--- Comment #18 from roman.di...@gmail.com ---
I am very happy for you, that so many bugs have been resolved. Unfortunately, I
had a few showstopper bugs (not just ones reported by me, but by others as
well, which I followed) and in all cases, there was pretty much no response. I
had an impression that Plasma in general just keeps adding new features and not
investing any time into solving bugs, so I had to switch over to other
solutions. But that is my experience - someone else may have a completely other
perception. Anyway, any reasonable dev team would know that this paricular
issue is a complete showstopper for any serious usage of the mail client and
leaving it untouched for years is pure non-sense. I also work in IT sector and
if my product has a high-prio showstopper bug like this (that prevents 99% of
users from normally using it) then I would invest resources into solving it,
instead of pouring tons of commits into new features etc. But I understand that
this is an open-source project, that people participate on for free, in their
free time, therefore I do not push it. Anyway, if you read my first comment,
when I reported the issue, I did a complete analysis of what is wrong and why
the mails look wrong (also invested hours of my time), so I think that for a
developer who knows where to look, it would be a few minutes of time to fix it.

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[kmail2] [Bug 368394] Outlook replies double-spaced paragraphs

[Christoph Feck]

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--- Comment #17 from Christoph Feck  ---
The only other issue you reported is in telepathy, which is indeed long dead. I
am sorry that this results in a 0% success rate for you. For my 520 reported
issues in KDE software, 493 got resolved.

If you are interested in the development of kmail, I suggest to subscribe to
kde-commits mailing list, and count the number of daily commits made in the
various KDEPIM repositories.

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[bugzilla_noreply]

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--- Comment #16 from roman.di...@gmail.com ---
The same reason why I switched to Evolution instead. Evolution devs are much
much more responsive in solving issues than Kmail devs (0% success rate with
Kmail and pretty much all KDE related apps in solving bugs). I think Kmail is
essentially dead, maybe Kube will be a usable Qt based client...

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[kmail2] [Bug 368394] Outlook replies double-spaced paragraphs

[Emre]

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--- Comment #15 from Emre  ---
I gave up long time ago on this. Evolution can handle the spaces, you can use
that one if double space is really an issue. 
For myself, I switched to using Office365 on the Web, the webmail of Outlook.
Works mostly well and has other integrations (calendars, room finder, name
completion...)

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[kmail2] [Bug 368394] Outlook replies double-spaced paragraphs

[Craig]

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Craig  changed:

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Version|5.7.2   |5.13.1
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--- Comment #14 from Craig  ---
Any updates or workarounds on this anyone's figured? Major bummer as I love
kontact/KDE but moved to Thunderbird some while back due to this and other
issues, came back to it stoked to see the EWS support etc all working great and
how I've missed it! Then sent a reply and everything is always double spaced :(
In my case I sent a reply to an email sent to myself using Thunderbird, so not
an Outlook only issue - makes unusable especially in
business/contracting/professional capacity and biggest bummer ever!

Anyone have any ideas or hopefully devs can provide some input? I know there
was a bugfix on the qt side bit ago but per comments in here the issue is now
the default html/stylesheet being used by kmail

Arch Linux running latest kdepim 5.13.1 and qt etc

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[kmail2] [Bug 368394] Outlook replies double-spaced paragraphs

[Thomas]

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--- Comment #13 from Thomas  ---
There are MANY open issues with additional line breaks and it all breaks down
to the stylesheet defined in the header of emails send from kmail:

p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; }

Also a email signature is affected by this style.

You know an span is an inline element and it should always be inline. So
`text more text` should be shown the same as
`text more text` but when you wrap it with `` you will get a line break between them. Adding a break between the
spans will even cause a second line break.

In conclusion: this is unecessary code and makes kmail unusable for almost all
people that prefer html mails. Please think about removing the stylesheet from
the composed emails (if you want you can still add this style to the view
windows). Thanks in advance!

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[kmail2] [Bug 368394] Outlook replies double-spaced paragraphs

[Emre]

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--- Comment #12 from Emre  ---
Dears, any development on this? KMail added EWS resource and it seems to work
good, but without solving this bug, we can't use Kmail in Corporate Office 365
environment.

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[kmail2] [Bug 368394] Outlook replies double-spaced paragraphs

[droidSumit]

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--- Comment #11 from droidSumit  ---
I too confirm this issue of getting *blank line* added after each line of
statement. I am facing another issue related to template where with *New mail
my HTML signature coming as plain text* while same signature is fine with Mail
reply and forwarding.

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[kmail2] [Bug 368394] Outlook replies double-spaced paragraphs

[Emre]

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   Platform|Neon Packages   |Archlinux Packages
Version|5.3.0   |5.7.2

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[Emre]

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--- Comment #10 from Emre  ---
I'm suffering from this as well. Forwarded emails show up in the email with
double spacing, rendering difficult to read to the eyes. 

I assume this is similar issue like we had back in days when Evolution used its
own rendering engine. It was fixed in Evolution when they moved to webkitgtk to
render emails. Thunderbird is also handling it well.
Can't Kmail use webkit as well?

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[kmail2] [Bug 368394] Outlook replies double-spaced paragraphs

[Daniel Himler]

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[kmail2] [Bug 368394] Outlook replies double-spaced paragraphs

[Christoph Feck]

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--- Comment #9 from Christoph Feck  ---
Right.

Comment #7 is bug 344099.

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[bugzilla_noreply]

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--- Comment #8 from roman.di...@gmail.com ---
It's not related really, because in that case, double line breaks are created.
In this case top and bottom borders are set to 12px, where they shouldn't be.
So the additional space is not really due to more lines, but because of bad
border handling.

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[Christoph Feck]

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--- Comment #7 from Christoph Feck  ---
This may or may not be related to
http://code.qt.io/cgit/qt/qtbase.git/commit/src/gui/text?h=5.9=c0ecfc08e3bfb8d93136a859808bf713c56b68e3

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--- Comment #6 from roman.di...@gmail.com ---
Hello I would just like to ask if solving this issue is planned somewhere in
the near future?

Thank you very much.

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--- Comment #5 from roman.di...@gmail.com ---
Hello,

Would just want to ask if there is any plan for this bug? It is the only thing
preventing me from using it productively with Exchange server...

Thank you very much.

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[kmail2] [Bug 368394] Outlook replies double-spaced paragraphs

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--- Comment #4 from roman.di...@gmail.com ---
I have added 2 mbox files:
1. one is the original mail sent to me from Outlook, which is rendered OK in
KMail, in read mode
2. the 2nd one is the reply mail generated by the KMail composer, which
contains the top and bottom margins set to 12px, which make the double-lining,
which is incorrect.

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--- Comment #3 from roman.di...@gmail.com ---
Created attachment 101538
  --> https://bugs.kde.org/attachment.cgi?id=101538=edit
Reply mail generated by KMail

This is the reply mail generated by KMail, with bottom and tp margins set to
12px, which make the double-lining.

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--- Comment #2 from roman.di...@gmail.com ---
Created attachment 101537
  --> https://bugs.kde.org/attachment.cgi?id=101537=edit
Original test message from Outlook

This is the original mail recevied from MS Outlook - look OK, in read mode in
KMail

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[kmail2] [Bug 368394] Outlook replies double-spaced paragraphs

[Laurent Montel via KDE Bugzilla]

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--- Comment #1 from Laurent Montel  ---
could you provide a mail example as mbox please ?

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