[kmymoney] [Bug 392755] kmymoney-4.8.1.1 suggestion: Category for realized profit/loss of an investment
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=392755 Jack changed: What|Removed |Added Resolution|WAITINGFORINFO |--- Severity|normal |wishlist Status|NEEDSINFO |REPORTED --- Comment #9 from Jack --- I'm changing this to a wishlist, and marking REPORTED, as it can provide input to the eventual rework on Investments. It seems unlikely that profits (capital gains) can be represented as a Category, since categories provide a label for money coming into or going out of an account. Selling an equity/stock is just exchanging some shares of that equity in one account for cash in a brokerage account. Recognition and tracking/reporting of capital gains/losses will require a significant enhancement to how ownership of equities is actually handled within Investment accounts. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
[kmymoney] [Bug 392755] kmymoney-4.8.1.1 suggestion: Category for realized profit/loss of an investment
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=392755 NSLW changed: What|Removed |Added CC|lukasz.wojnilow...@gmail.co | |m | -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
[kmymoney] [Bug 392755] kmymoney-4.8.1.1 suggestion: Category for realized profit/loss of an investment
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=392755 Justin Zobel changed: What|Removed |Added Resolution|--- |WAITINGFORINFO Status|REPORTED|NEEDSINFO --- Comment #8 from Justin Zobel --- Thank you for reporting this issue in KDE software. As it has been a while since this issue was reported, can we please ask you to see if you can reproduce the issue with a recent software version? If you can reproduce the issue, please change the status to "REPORTED" when replying. Thank you! -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
[kmymoney] [Bug 392755] kmymoney-4.8.1.1 suggestion: Category for realized profit/loss of an investment
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=392755 --- Comment #7 from Christian --- See bug 393204 for a related wish for enhancement concerning the overall profits/losses associated with an equity. The suggestion of the present bug concerns individual transactions, but there is some overlap to the other bug. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
[kmymoney] [Bug 392755] kmymoney-4.8.1.1 suggestion: Category for realized profit/loss of an investment
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=392755 --- Comment #6 from Christian --- The solution suggested by mahueb55 is a good one. It can be implemented in two steps: 1. Add the possibility to configure a category for "gain/loss" - whether globally, per investment account, or per security can be discussed. 2. Decide how to calculate the profit/loss automatically and implement that. (This could be optional or replace a temporary solution of entering this value manually.) There is the possibility of entering inconsistent values if they are entered manually and (2) is not implemented. But to me this doesn't pose a problem as the current method (which would be equivalent to having a 0 profit/loss always) seems to be inconsistent in the same way. Another reason why it would be good to have the realized profit/loss in a category is that some taxes are calculated on it (e.g., "capital gains tax"). -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
[kmymoney] [Bug 392755] kmymoney-4.8.1.1 suggestion: Category for realized profit/loss of an investment
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=392755 mahue...@gmail.com changed: What|Removed |Added CC||mahue...@gmail.com --- Comment #5 from mahue...@gmail.com --- While I understand the issue and do agree that the profits should show as an income category (and losses as expense, accordingly) I am not sure whether I agree with the requested solution. The example no. 2 Christian gave is ONE way to value inventory (of securities, in that case) - FIFO, but it is certainly not the only one. Who says that the 5 shares that were sold on 2018-01-01 are the ones bought in 2016? >From my point of view, the ideal target situation is: - add the possibility to configure the valuation method (LIFO, FIFO, AVG, ?) per security - add the possibility to configure a category for "gain/loss from sale of securities" (or one category for gains and a separate one for losses) - globally, per investment account or per security (to be discussed) - then, when posting the sell transaction, derive the net gain or loss incurred through the sales transaction automatically based on the configured valuation method and - automatically split the transaction and assign the gain/loss fraction of the transaction to the category configured above. That way, we're ensuring consistency. If we manually entered the gain or loss instead we could end up with inconsistencies pretty fast because we would not be able to guarantee that (buy transaction value) + (manually entered gain/loss) = (sell transaction value). Or am I missing something? Sidenote: It probably makes sense not to allow changes of the valuation method as long as there is any nonzero number of shares of that security on our books because past transactions would need to be revaluated in order to arrive at correct & consistent values otherwise. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
[kmymoney] [Bug 392755] kmymoney-4.8.1.1 suggestion: Category for realized profit/loss of an investment
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=392755 --- Comment #4 from Christian --- Well, I see profits as a Category under Income. It would be nice if all the Categories under Income add up to the total Income, and all the Categories under Expenses add up to the total Expenses. So that the grand total (sum of Incomes minus Sum of Expenses) corresponds to the change in the total of Assets and Liabilities. That's the way it's usually done in accounting, I think, i.e., if I have the totals of the Assets and Liabilities for end of years 2016 and 2017, for example, then the difference between these years should match the grand total of Income Minus Expenses. Without the Category for the Profit/Loss, I cannot get the difference in the assets from one year to the next match the Income Minus Expenses. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
[kmymoney] [Bug 392755] kmymoney-4.8.1.1 suggestion: Category for realized profit/loss of an investment
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=392755 --- Comment #3 from NSLW --- I don't know why you desperately need it as category, but you can have your profits and losses reported as performance report. There you have some predefined options to count your profits. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
[kmymoney] [Bug 392755] kmymoney-4.8.1.1 suggestion: Category for realized profit/loss of an investment
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=392755 --- Comment #2 from Christian --- Upgraded to 5.0.1. There, I can see that it's possible to specify a category for "Interest", which I can use to add an amount to the "Sell" transaction so that it shows up in a category. However, there is a problem with this. The amount I enter for that category is added to the transaction amount. With a profit (loss) of selling the investment, the amount that I want to categorize is already included in the transaction amount. If I write it into the "Interest" field, the transaction total is wrong. Suggestion: Add another field that is called "Profit/loss", where I can specify an amount that does not modify the total. My previous Example 1 could then be entered as: Sell 15 shares of XYZ at 9 per share - total is 135. In the new input for Profit/loss, enter the Category and the value 50. With the current setup, I can enter a category for Interest and enter 50 there, but then the total changes to 185, i.e. the Profit is counted twice. My only alternative then is to leave the share price at its buying value to avoid the double-counting, but that is an unattractive workaround. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
[kmymoney] [Bug 392755] kmymoney-4.8.1.1 suggestion: Category for realized profit/loss of an investment
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=392755 NSLW changed: What|Removed |Added CC||lukasz.wojnilow...@gmail.co ||m --- Comment #1 from NSLW --- Have you tested 5.0 for this feature? I would rather see that in reporting module than anywhere else. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
[kmymoney] [Bug 392755] kmymoney-4.8.1.1 suggestion: Category for realized profit/loss of an investment
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=392755 Christian changed: What|Removed |Added CC||gen...@moin.fi -- You are receiving this mail because: You are watching all bug changes.
