Re: [kde-community] Vision, mission and manifesto - what is their definition and purpose?

On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 7:51 AM, Cornelius Schumacher wrote: > As it already was mentioned in the thread we should not focus on criteria who > and what to keep out, but we should focus on what drives us forward. That's exactly our "focused" group point. How the vague and

Re: [kde-community] finding a clear vision for KDE - first draft for discussion

On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 3:16 PM, Riccardo Iaconelli wrote: > I honestly still find it strange that in this discussion we insist on > drawing a circle defining "what is/can be KDE" (which, once more, is not > what the vision would be supposed to mean) way smaller than what KDE

Re: [kde-community] finding a clear vision for KDE - first draft for discussion

> Honestly, after all these words, I don't think that this is a "focused" > vision, but more of an "exclusive" one (from the verb "to exclude"). In my > opinion this somehow invalidates the proposal itself, as it will be > inapplicable to already existing, live and vibrant KDE projects.

Re: [kde-community] finding a clear vision for KDE - first draft for discussion

On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 1:04 AM, Martin Graesslin wrote: > Why should there be a line? I've been managing software development organizations since 2008. I attest to the importance of drawing a line. There's so much you can do with software. Unless you learn to say "no", you

Re: [kde-community] finding a clear vision for KDE - first draft for discussion

Hi, On Friday, February 12, 2016 08:04:10 Martin Graesslin wrote: > On Thursday, February 11, 2016 10:06:33 PM CET Alexander Neundorf wrote: > > On Thursday, February 11, 2016 10:06:57 Sebastian Kügler wrote: > > > On Wednesday, February 10, 2016 10:08:19 PM Alexander Neundorf wrote: > > > > On

Re: [kde-community] finding a clear vision for KDE - first draft for discussion

On Freitag, 12. Februar 2016 12:07:27 CET Alexander Dymo wrote: > On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 1:04 AM, Martin Graesslin wrote: > > Why should there be a line? > > I've been managing software development organizations since 2008. I > attest to the importance of drawing a line.

[kde-community] Fwd: KDE Vision – towards “wholesame” solutions

sent to wrong mailinglist by mistake ...--- Begin Message --- Hi all, many thanks to all people that have worked on the vision proposals and to everyone who contributed thoughts. I would like to chime in with an aspect that I feel is missing so far. This additional aspect is closely related to

Re: [kde-community] finding a clear vision for KDE - first draft for discussion

On Friday, February 12, 2016 21:00:37 Thomas Pfeiffer wrote: ... > Maybe what you want is an overarching product vision instead of a community > vision, after all? I think I can answer at least for everybody from the alternative-draft team, maybe also for the people who want more "direction" in

Re: [kde-community] finding a clear vision for KDE - first draft for discussion

On Feb 12, 2016 9:14 PM, "Alexander Neundorf" wrote: > > On Friday, February 12, 2016 21:00:37 Thomas Pfeiffer wrote: > ... > > Maybe what you want is an overarching product vision instead of a community > > vision, after all? > > I think I can answer at least for everybody from

Re: [kde-community] finding a clear vision for KDE - first draft for discussion

On Friday, February 12, 2016 21:37:23 Clemens Toennies wrote: > On Feb 12, 2016 9:14 PM, "Alexander Neundorf" wrote: > > On Friday, February 12, 2016 21:00:37 Thomas Pfeiffer wrote: > > ... > > > > > Maybe what you want is an overarching product vision instead of a > >

Re: [kde-community] Vision, mission and manifesto - what is their definition and purpose?

On Thursday, February 11, 2016 10:17:03 Sebastian Kügler wrote: > On Wednesday, February 10, 2016 09:42:31 PM Alexander Neundorf wrote: > > > > Also, what do you think about the relation between vision and mission > > > > ? > > > > > > When I joined the "vision team", my original proposal was to

Re: [kde-community] finding a clear vision for KDE - first draft for discussion

On Feb 12, 2016 9:56 PM, "Alexander Dymo" wrote: > > >> Maybe what you want is an overarching product vision instead of a community > >> vision, after all? > > > > I think I can answer at least for everybody from the alternative-draft team, > > maybe also for the people who

Re: [kde-community] Vision, mission and manifesto - what is their definition and purpose?

On Feb 12, 2016 9:15 PM, "Alexander Neundorf" wrote: > > On Thursday, February 11, 2016 10:17:03 Sebastian Kügler wrote: > > In a do-ocracy such as KDE, you take part and are able to influence > > direction, or you stand at the sidelines and watch, but you don't stand at > > the

Re: [kde-community] finding a clear vision for KDE - first draft for discussion

On Feb 12, 2016 10:10 PM, "Alexander Neundorf" wrote: > > On Friday, February 12, 2016 21:37:23 Clemens Toennies wrote: > > On Feb 12, 2016 9:14 PM, "Alexander Neundorf" wrote: > > > On Friday, February 12, 2016 21:00:37 Thomas Pfeiffer wrote: > > > ... > > >

Re: [kde-community] finding a clear vision for KDE - first draft for discussion

On Feb 12, 2016 9:58 PM, "Alexander Dymo" wrote: > > On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 2:37 PM, Clemens Toennies > wrote: > > And you're "overarching (product) vision" to be adopted by all of KDE would > > have to specifically mention "based on Qt"? >