Re: [kde-community] Give People Access to Great Technology - a possible vision

2014-09-23 Thread David Wright
To summarise and expand upon my thoughts on this given the feedback from a couple of you: Essentially I feel we should be concentrating on the promoting the versatility of KDE ecosphere, and what that means to you as the user. That's really what I was driving at when I was asking the question

Re: [kde-community] Give People Access to Great Technology - a possible vision

2014-09-23 Thread Stuart Jarvis
Hi David, My comments below are slightly tangential to the 'vision' discussion (which is bigger and something I haven't properly thought through for myself, yet). However, here are some thoughts on one of your points, which is also important in the discussion of a vision (you wouldn't have

Re: [kde-community] Give People Access to Great Technology - a possible vision

2014-09-23 Thread Thomas Pfeiffer
On Tuesday 23 September 2014 16:06:36 Stuart Jarvis wrote: What’s making this more confusing is that the VDG are now discussing branding some apps along the lines of ‘Made for…’ I'd be very concerned about this, for any but the most basic components deeply entwined in the desktop shell

Re: [kde-community] Give People Access to Great Technology - a possible vision

2014-09-23 Thread David Wright
Thanks for clarifying Thomas. I am too busy to reply in full now and I've realised now that I what I said could be misinterpreted. Hope I didn't upset anyone! Kind regards, David On 23 Sep 2014 17:44, Thomas Pfeiffer thomas.pfeif...@kde.org wrote: On Tuesday 23 September 2014 16:06:36 Stuart

Re: [kde-community] Give People Access to Great Technology - a possible vision

2014-09-23 Thread Stuart Jarvis
On Tuesday 23 September 2014 18:44:07 Thomas Pfeiffer wrote: On Tuesday 23 September 2014 16:06:36 Stuart Jarvis wrote: What’s making this more confusing is that the VDG are now discussing branding some apps along the lines of ‘Made for…’ I'd be very concerned about this, for any

Re: [kde-community] Give People Access to Great Technology - a possible vision

2014-09-22 Thread Stuart Jarvis
On 2014-09-20 23:05, Aaron J. Seigo wrote: On Saturday, September 20, 2014 22.44:45 David Wright wrote: *By KDE here im referring to the software, as I'm not sure what the term is for the amalgamation of plasma 5 / kf5 applications There is no such amalgamation, and that's probably why

Re: [kde-community] Give People Access to Great Technology - a possible vision

2014-09-22 Thread Jaroslaw Staniek
Thanks for this Andrew! KDE offers the Great Technology and a brand indeed. Below in my looong 2c for the vision topic, written with the widest possible user base in mind, some devil's advocate approach, assuming that we are developing for users, for self-development, and for fun, in no universal

Re: [kde-community] Give People Access to Great Technology - a possible vision

2014-09-22 Thread Andrew Lake
Hello again, I was going to reply to each response individually but I thought it might be simpler to do one reply. First off, thanks for being so so gracious in reviewing the thoughts I shared. As I mentioned these were personal thoughts prompted by my experience at Akademy this year. There's

Re: [kde-community] Give People Access to Great Technology - a possible vision

2014-09-21 Thread Christoph Cullmann
On Friday 19 September 2014 19:04:53 Valorie Zimmerman wrote: On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 9:56 AM, Andrew Lake jamboar...@gmail.com wrote: Image: http://wstaw.org/m/2014/09/19/A_possible_vision.png I would say Plasma and Frameworks at the center. I think it's right to put the KDE

Re: [kde-community] Give People Access to Great Technology - a possible vision

2014-09-20 Thread Cornelius Schumacher
On Friday 19 September 2014 19:04:53 Valorie Zimmerman wrote: On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 9:56 AM, Andrew Lake jamboar...@gmail.com wrote: Image: http://wstaw.org/m/2014/09/19/A_possible_vision.png I would say Plasma and Frameworks at the center. I think it's right to put the KDE desktop in

Re: [kde-community] Give People Access to Great Technology - a possible vision

2014-09-20 Thread Aaron J. Seigo
On Saturday, September 20, 2014 10.15:56 Cornelius Schumacher wrote: On Friday 19 September 2014 19:04:53 Valorie Zimmerman wrote: On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 9:56 AM, Andrew Lake jamboar...@gmail.com wrote: Image: http://wstaw.org/m/2014/09/19/A_possible_vision.png I would say Plasma and

Re: [kde-community] Give People Access to Great Technology - a possible vision

2014-09-20 Thread David Wright
I wonder whether going forward we would be better served by asking the question of our users, 'What do you need KDE* to be for you?' Because essentially we are saying that with plasma 5 and kf5 it could be anything you want it to be. Maybe we should start by splitting this into commercial and

Re: [kde-community] Give People Access to Great Technology - a possible vision

2014-09-20 Thread Aaron J. Seigo
On Friday, September 19, 2014 09.56:39 Andrew Lake wrote: * Be free * Maintain our purpose * Have fun If I am understanding your proposal (and perhaps I'm not .. if so, please offer clarification), the vision statement consisting of the above three elements is a stand our ground vision in

Re: [kde-community] Give People Access to Great Technology - a possible vision

2014-09-20 Thread Aaron J. Seigo
On Saturday, September 20, 2014 22.44:45 David Wright wrote: I wonder whether going forward we would be better served by asking the question of our users, 'What do you need KDE* to be for you?' The users KDE has now? The users KDE wants? The users KDE has contact with? Because essentially we

[kde-community] Give People Access to Great Technology - a possible vision

2014-09-19 Thread Andrew Lake
Hi, I wanted to share a few thoughts in case it might be helpful right now. I apologize now for the length. Not that he necessary endorses any of this, but Thomas Pfeiffer was gracious enough to provide many of the examples of what we're already doing. A pdf that's a bit more readable is here: