Re: [kde-community] Vision, mission and manifesto - what is their definition and purpose?

2016-02-12 Thread Alexander Dymo
On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 7:51 AM, Cornelius Schumacher wrote: > As it already was mentioned in the thread we should not focus on criteria who > and what to keep out, but we should focus on what drives us forward. That's exactly our "focused" group point. How the vague and

Re: [kde-community] Vision, mission and manifesto - what is their definition and purpose?

2016-02-12 Thread Alexander Neundorf
On Thursday, February 11, 2016 10:17:03 Sebastian Kügler wrote: > On Wednesday, February 10, 2016 09:42:31 PM Alexander Neundorf wrote: > > > > Also, what do you think about the relation between vision and mission > > > > ? > > > > > > When I joined the "vision team", my original proposal was to

Re: [kde-community] Vision, mission and manifesto - what is their definition and purpose?

2016-02-12 Thread Clemens Toennies
On Feb 12, 2016 9:15 PM, "Alexander Neundorf" wrote: > > On Thursday, February 11, 2016 10:17:03 Sebastian Kügler wrote: > > In a do-ocracy such as KDE, you take part and are able to influence > > direction, or you stand at the sidelines and watch, but you don't stand at > > the

Re: [kde-community] Vision, mission and manifesto - what is their definition and purpose?

2016-02-11 Thread Sebastian Kügler
On Wednesday, February 10, 2016 09:42:31 PM Alexander Neundorf wrote: > > > Also, what do you think about the relation between vision and mission ? > > > > When I joined the "vision team", my original proposal was to only define a > > mission, because I felt that visions make more sense for

Re: [kde-community] Vision, mission and manifesto - what is their definition and purpose?

2016-02-11 Thread Alexander Neundorf
On Thursday, February 11, 2016 01:22:02 Thomas Pfeiffer wrote: > On Mittwoch, 10. Februar 2016 21:42:31 CET Alexander Neundorf wrote: ... > A vision statement alone doesn't do much, either. A mission is needed to > turn vision into strategy. Yes. :-) > > Anyway, I think vision and mission should

Re: [kde-community] Vision, mission and manifesto - what is their definition and purpose?

2016-02-10 Thread Alexander Neundorf
On Tuesday, February 09, 2016 23:55:59 Thomas Pfeiffer wrote: > On Dienstag, 9. Februar 2016 23:35:38 CET Alexander Neundorf wrote: ... > > This is maybe an important detail. > > The results of "Evolve KDE" (https://evolve.kde.org/surveyresults.pdf) > > recommend to "Develop a vision, strategy and

Re: [kde-community] Vision, mission and manifesto - what is their definition and purpose?

2016-02-10 Thread Thomas Pfeiffer
On Mittwoch, 10. Februar 2016 21:42:31 CET Alexander Neundorf wrote: > > In the past, the KDE usability team (namely Björn, Heiko and I) have at > > least twice suggested to create a common vision for KDE's products. > > This approach has received mostly negative comments every time, with the > >

[kde-community] Vision, mission and manifesto - what is their definition and purpose?

2016-02-09 Thread Thomas Pfeiffer
Hey everyone, analyzing the current discussions around the KDE Vision, I have identified one problem which could underlie much of the tension: It's still unclear what we mean by "vision", "mission" and "manifesto". We cannot really consult a dictionary or encyclopedia to answer this, because

Re: [kde-community] Vision, mission and manifesto - what is their definition and purpose?

2016-02-09 Thread Alexander Neundorf
Hi Thomas, On Tuesday, February 09, 2016 22:56:32 Thomas Pfeiffer wrote: ... > That's why I'd suggest that, before discussing the vision any further, we > should agree on a definition. It doesn't have to be one with which everybody > wholeheartedly agrees, because it's mostly used for

Re: [kde-community] Vision, mission and manifesto - what is their definition and purpose?

2016-02-09 Thread Sebastian Kügler
On Tuesday, February 09, 2016 22:56:32 Thomas Pfeiffer wrote: > Hey everyone, > analyzing the current discussions around the KDE Vision, I have identified > one problem which could underlie much of the tension: > It's still unclear what we mean by "vision", "mission" and "manifesto". We > cannot

Re: [kde-community] Vision, mission and manifesto - what is their definition and purpose?

2016-02-09 Thread Thomas Pfeiffer
On Dienstag, 9. Februar 2016 23:35:38 CET Alexander Neundorf wrote: > Hi Thomas, > > On Tuesday, February 09, 2016 22:56:32 Thomas Pfeiffer wrote: > ... > > > That's why I'd suggest that, before discussing the vision any further, we > > should agree on a definition. It doesn't have to be one