Re: [kde-community] stackexange site for krita
I would personally much prefer integrating this into the KDE infrastructure rather than KDE going to Stack Exchange: http://www.osqa.net/ StackExchange is a commercial entity without open source accessbility to the implementation. Also, you need to comply with what StackExchange likes in the end of the day. On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 4:09 PM, Boudewijn Rempt b...@valdyas.org wrote: This is a question that came up on the #krita channel today. Our forums are awesome, but not the best place for question and answer type of exchanges. We even see questions appear on yahoo answers! One proposal was to create a krita.stackexchange.com, like http://blender.stackexchange.com/. However, this is infra that's outside of KDE. I don't know of anything equivalent, though! So, what I wanted to get input on is: would creating a krita.stackexchange.com be against the manifesto? And if so, is there any equivalent (in terms of user-friendliness, googleability and recognizability) that we can use withing KDE's infra structure? For all clarity; this isn't a wiki, and it isn't a forum. It works in a very different way. Boudewijn (Willing to experiment so fewer people wonder where their layers have gone. https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20150224214426AAbFtKj) ___ kde-community mailing list kde-community@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-community ___ kde-community mailing list kde-community@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-community
Re: [kde-community] stackexange site for krita
On 02/25/2015 08:12 AM, Laszlo Papp wrote: I would personally much prefer integrating this into the KDE infrastructure rather than KDE going to Stack Exchange: http://www.osqa.net/ osqa.net looks good. There's also an established service (answerhub.com/), which could be implemented quickly...at a cost. They are kinda cute (maybe deceptive) with their pricing guidelines, but apparently they are willing to discuss charitable deals. There's a comparison between OSQA and AnswerHub at answerhub.com/answerhub-difference-osqa/ but there would need to be a decision about the importance of features that are only available from the commercial AnswerHub. StackExchange is a commercial entity without open source accessbility to the implementation. Also, you need to comply with what StackExchange likes in the end of the day. Reply to Boud's original message below. On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 4:09 PM, Boudewijn Rempt b...@valdyas.org wrote: This is a question that came up on the #krita channel today. Our forums are awesome, but not the best place for question and answer type of exchanges. We even see questions appear on yahoo answers! One proposal was to create a krita.stackexchange.com, like http://blender.stackexchange.com/. However, this is infra that's outside of KDE. I don't know of anything equivalent, though! So, what I wanted to get input on is: would creating a krita.stackexchange.com be against the manifesto? And if so, is there any equivalent (in terms of user-friendliness, googleability and recognizability) that we can use withing KDE's infra structure? StackExchange seems to conflict with... Online services associated with the project are either hosted on KDE infrastructure or have an action plan that ensures continuity which is approved by the KDE system administration team Hard to see how continuity would be ensured. Perhaps the continuity plan could be to start on StackExchange, operate there until something could be established within KDE's infrastructure. As a beginning Krita user, I would greatly appreciate this kind of resource. A QA capability would be helpful for other KDE technology as well. Carl For all clarity; this isn't a wiki, and it isn't a forum. It works in a very different way. Boudewijn (Willing to experiment so fewer people wonder where their layers have gone. https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20150224214426AAbFtKj) ___ kde-community mailing list kde-community@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-community
Re: [kde-community] stackexange site for krita
Laszlo Papp wrote: I would personally much prefer integrating this into the KDE infrastructure rather than KDE going to Stack Exchange: Disclaimer: I may be biased since I help running the forums. If it were to me, I'd give -1 to SE. Simply put, KDE should not (if possible) rely on non- Free solutions for these kind of things. This even more so because there are alternatives, and because I'm aware myself (although just an occasional user of said service) of the issues surrounding Stack Exchange. -- Luca Beltrame - KDE Forums team KDE Science supporter GPG key ID: 6E1A4E79 ___ kde-community mailing list kde-community@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-community
Re: [kde-community] stackexange site for krita
On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 4:12 PM, Laszlo Papp lp...@kde.org wrote: I would personally much prefer integrating this into the KDE infrastructure rather than KDE going to Stack Exchange: http://www.osqa.net/ Before people start claiming that it has not got so much activity as of late, here can you find a more complete list of alternatives for Stack Exchange. There are open source and hence free software alternatives on the list. http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/2267/stack-exchange-clones Having said that, this is not my main issue with Stack Exchange. I simply do not like many things about their vision, including, but not limited to: 1) Not willing to remedy the problem about extremely low-quality content. 2) Unhealthy atmosphere by allowing downvotes as part of the gamification without any reasoning. It encourages to do a kind of you suck attitude without constructively explaining it. 3) Certain things are just far too locked down, like discussions between the moderators and site owners about important decisions in the community. 4) There is no healthy way of discussing the operation of the site (no, meta is not). 5) They do not properly respect the license terms they were supposed to follow. 6) Sustainability for a free software project is rather questionable. Remember what happened to the predecessor expert exchange ... I could continue enumerating as I have so much thoughts about the topic, but I will cut it here for now. Overall, Stack Exchange could be harmful for the KDE project in my opinion. This does not need to be taken lightly. I have spent my time for 1-2 years helping users on Stack Exchange sites, days and nights, but I have had a very different feeling to what free software project, including Qt and KDE would be about. I am sure KDE good take some good initiative to give some boost to the free software world about the need of the Q/A technology by not compromising free software in the first place. StackExchange is a commercial entity without open source accessbility to the implementation. Also, you need to comply with what StackExchange likes in the end of the day. On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 4:09 PM, Boudewijn Rempt b...@valdyas.org wrote: This is a question that came up on the #krita channel today. Our forums are awesome, but not the best place for question and answer type of exchanges. We even see questions appear on yahoo answers! One proposal was to create a krita.stackexchange.com, like http://blender.stackexchange.com/. However, this is infra that's outside of KDE. I don't know of anything equivalent, though! So, what I wanted to get input on is: would creating a krita.stackexchange.com be against the manifesto? And if so, is there any equivalent (in terms of user-friendliness, googleability and recognizability) that we can use withing KDE's infra structure? For all clarity; this isn't a wiki, and it isn't a forum. It works in a very different way. Boudewijn (Willing to experiment so fewer people wonder where their layers have gone. https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20150224214426AAbFtKj) ___ kde-community mailing list kde-community@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-community ___ kde-community mailing list kde-community@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-community
Re: [kde-community] stackexange site for krita
On Thu, 26 Feb 2015, Albert Astals Cid wrote: El Dimecres, 25 de febrer de 2015, a les 17:09:09, Boudewijn Rempt va escriure: This is a question that came up on the #krita channel today. Our forums are awesome, but not the best place for question and answer type of exchanges. We even see questions appear on yahoo answers! One proposal was to create a krita.stackexchange.com, like http://blender.stackexchange.com/. However, this is infra that's outside of KDE. I don't know of anything equivalent, though! What's important of StackExchange, the non-wiki, non-forum type of software they have or the users they have? The software -- the way it invites people to ask questions, give answers and to a large extent also the way stack exchange answers show up in google. I mean... Try googling for a Qt programming question these days. You get stackexchange before the Qt documentation. I.e. we're on twitter because of the users they have, having twitter-like software on kde.org wouldn't work. ___ kde-community mailing list kde-community@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-community
