Re: [kde-community] RFC: Distribution outreach program

Thomas, Thanks for starting this thread. I'd like to remind you (all, not Thomas particularly) that there are more "distributions" of KDE software (some including Plasma Desktop, some not) than just Linux-kernel-based- distributions. Perhaps they're out-of-scope (which I could appreciate:

Re: [kde-community] RFC: Distribution outreach program

Il Wed, 03 Feb 2016 11:40:58 +0100, Martin Graesslin ha scritto: > to use a specific technology. It's totally fine if we go ahead and say > our technology stack includes systemd, networkmanager and apparmor. If > your distro cannot do that it's not providing the best expected > experience. In

Re: [kde-community] RFC: Distribution outreach program

> On Feb 3, 2016, at 10:16, Martin Graesslin wrote: > > On Wednesday, February 3, 2016 9:44:13 AM CET Nicolás Alvarez wrote: On Feb 1, 2016, at 15:31, Cornelius Schumacher wrote: On Monday 01 February 2016 13:04:37 Sebastian Kügler wrote:

Re: [kde-community] RFC: Distribution outreach program

On Wednesday, February 3, 2016 1:46:16 PM CET Luca Beltrame wrote: > Il Wed, 03 Feb 2016 11:40:58 +0100, Martin Graesslin ha scritto: > > to use a specific technology. It's totally fine if we go ahead and say > > our technology stack includes systemd, networkmanager and apparmor. If > > your

[kde-community] finding a clear vision for KDE - first draft for discussion

Hi everyone, last year I have started to push for KDE to gain more clarity about a few key questions that we need to answer. These include such important things like: What is it that we are trying to achieve? How do we want the world of tomorrow to be different from how it is today? When KDE

Re: [kde-community] FOSDEM wrapup

Your reply sounds like you're taking it as criticism and it's not. It's feedback to do better next time :) -- Nicolás 2016-02-03 17:52 GMT-03:00 Jonathan Riddell : > All of your points were taken care of to a greater or lesser degree. If it > didn't feel like it was all

Re: [kde-community] FOSDEM wrapup

Am 03.02.2016 um 22:13 schrieb Rohan Garg: Hey The Frameworks leaflets were really useful to hand out as a means of explaining "these are libraries that everyone can use in their Qt applications". While the leaflets are awesome, one of the most obvious questions I got asked, which was not

Re: [kde-community] finding a clear vision for KDE - first draft for discussion

On Wednesday 03 February 2016 10:10:27 Lydia Pintscher wrote: > The first draft reads as follows: > "KDE, through the creation of Free software, enables users to control > their digital life. KDE software enables privacy, makes simple things > easy and complex scenarios possible while crossing

Re: [kde-community] Should we allow non-KDE projects to participate in GSoC under KDE?

On Wednesday, February 03, 2016 14:58:54 Martin Klapetek wrote: ... > Imho this goes against the Manifesto as the projects gets to > "enjoy the benefits" without the complying with "commitments" > of the Manifesto. It's also less transparent overall (not able to > monitor progress as it's not on

Re: [kde-community] finding a clear vision for KDE - first draft for discussion

On Wed, Feb 3, 2016 at 11:10 PM, Adriaan de Groot wrote: > On Wednesday 03 February 2016 10:10:27 Lydia Pintscher wrote: >> The first draft reads as follows: >> "KDE, through the creation of Free software, enables users to control >> their digital life. KDE software enables

[kde-community] finding a clear vision for KDE - an alternative draft for discussion

Hi everyone, as Lydia already wrote earlier today, there have been activities in the KDE community to come up with a vision for the KDE project for the next years, so we can better work together to achieve our goals as a community. Additionally to the team presented by Lydia, an additional

Re: [kde-community] Should we allow non-KDE projects to participate in GSoC under KDE?

I don't even remember what I thought the last couple of times, but I think it was something like this: "if these are projects that we can likely bring under our umbrella, yes, we should, if that is not going to happen, then we shouldn't" I cannot imagine I ever thought something different, but

Re: [kde-community] finding a clear vision for KDE - first draft for discussion

On Wednesday 03 February 2016 23:13:24 Lydia Pintscher wrote: > > I'm asking this because I want to know what I should put into my > > vision-ometer (a contraption that measures the visionariness) and what > > (same) text I should compare to any other vision-statement that is > > proposed. > > I

Re: [kde-community] RFC: Distribution outreach program

On Wednesday, February 3, 2016 2:05:05 PM CET Lydia Pintscher wrote: > On Wed, Feb 3, 2016 at 3:01 PM Martin Graesslin wrote: > > No, that's not what I'm saying. First of all we need to realize that we > > have a > > big problem (yay for Thomas), second we need to find a

Re: [kde-community] RFC: Distribution outreach program

On 3 February 2016 at 15:01, Martin Graesslin wrote: > On Wednesday, February 3, 2016 10:46:26 AM CET Nicolás Alvarez wrote: > > > On Feb 3, 2016, at 10:16, Martin Graesslin wrote: > > > > > > On Wednesday, February 3, 2016 9:44:13 AM CET Nicolás Alvarez

Re: [kde-community] RFC: Distribution outreach program

On 3 February 2016 at 15:15, Martin Graesslin wrote: > On Wednesday, February 3, 2016 2:05:05 PM CET Lydia Pintscher wrote: > > On Wed, Feb 3, 2016 at 3:01 PM Martin Graesslin > wrote: > > > No, that's not what I'm saying. First of all we need to realize

Re: [kde-community] RFC: Distribution outreach program

On Wednesday, February 3, 2016 10:46:26 AM CET Nicolás Alvarez wrote: > > On Feb 3, 2016, at 10:16, Martin Graesslin wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, February 3, 2016 9:44:13 AM CET Nicolás Alvarez wrote: > On Feb 1, 2016, at 15:31, Cornelius Schumacher

Re: [kde-community] RFC: Distribution outreach program

Il Wed, 03 Feb 2016 15:18:23 +0100, Jaroslaw Staniek ha scritto: > ​Yep, these feelings float within the KDE fans community. That's why I > sometimes can't stop people from treating initiatives like Neon as "the" > KDE distro ​ And I hope too many people don't get the wrong idea, or yes, we'll

Re: [kde-community] RFC: Distribution outreach program

On Wednesday, February 3, 2016 2:15:37 PM CET Luca Beltrame wrote: > Il Wed, 03 Feb 2016 14:57:02 +0100, Martin Graesslin ha scritto: > > Yes I know, that's the obvious reply you get from distros. And I call > > BULLSHIT to that. If a distribution ships with a broken bluetooth setup, > > Let me

Re: [kde-community] RFC: Distribution outreach program

Il Wed, 03 Feb 2016 14:57:02 +0100, Martin Graesslin ha scritto: > Yes I know, that's the obvious reply you get from distros. And I call > BULLSHIT to that. If a distribution ships with a broken bluetooth setup, Let me get the reverse in: we had to jump through several hoops at openSUSE because

Re: [kde-community] RFC: Distribution outreach program

On Wed, Feb 3, 2016 at 3:01 PM Martin Graesslin wrote: > No, that's not what I'm saying. First of all we need to realize that we > have a > big problem (yay for Thomas), second we need to find a solution to the > problem. > Currently we are brainstorming ideas and I think

Re: [kde-community] finding a clear vision for KDE - an alternative draft for discussion

Hi Adriaan, On Wednesday, February 03, 2016 23:18:26 Adriaan de Groot wrote: > On Wednesday 03 February 2016 22:05:20 Alexander Neundorf wrote: > > Let's make KDE rule the world of free GUI software ! > > I'll be a little flippant and say that this is a second vision, different > from the first

Re: [kde-community] RFC: Distribution outreach program

Il Wed, 03 Feb 2016 15:25:36 +0100, Martin Graesslin ha scritto: > migration need to be handled better with more collaboration. E.g. GNOME > notifying distros early about their wish to upgrade, those notifying > other projects about the requirement to upgrade. This happened: the GNOME team @

Re: [kde-community] finding a clear vision for KDE - an alternative draft for discussion

On Wednesday, February 3, 2016 10:05:20 PM CET Alexander Neundorf wrote: > We are happy to get comments or any other feedback on this draft, and we are > looking forward to a lively and constructive discussion about the future of > KDE. I'm sorry to say, but I don't see any vision in your

Re: [kde-community] Should we allow non-KDE projects to participate in GSoC under KDE?

On Wednesday, February 3, 2016 2:58:54 PM CET Martin Klapetek wrote: > Hey, > > so in the couple previous years we have collectively and > repeatedly rejected the idea of other projects, that are not > KDE projects by the Manifesto, to participate in KDE GSoC. > Namely we rejected Tupi and

Re: [kde-community] Differences between proposed vision drafts (or "inclusive" vs "focused")

On Wednesday, February 3, 2016 11:44:35 PM CET Alexander Dymo wrote: > I reread both drafts and realized that people who have not > participated in the development of these proposals might miss the > important difference between them. > > The Lydia & Co see KDE providing users free software to

[kde-community] Differences between proposed vision drafts (or "inclusive" vs "focused")

I reread both drafts and realized that people who have not participated in the development of these proposals might miss the important difference between them. The Lydia & Co see KDE providing users free software to manage any aspect of their digital life: GUI environments, applications (GUI and

Re: [kde-community] FOSDEM wrapup

On Wednesday 03 February 2016 12:58:58 Jonathan Riddell wrote: > We had a good presence at FOSDEM this year. Here's some notes while I > remember. > > Stall: > One 1 short table this year. We had a nice setup with ODROID board + HDMI > monitor (alas it wasn't a monitor which could tilt) to demo

[kde-community] Should we allow non-KDE projects to participate in GSoC under KDE?

Hey, so in the couple previous years we have collectively and repeatedly rejected the idea of other projects, that are not KDE projects by the Manifesto, to participate in KDE GSoC. Namely we rejected Tupi and SubSurface solely because "not a KDE project", GCompris became a KDE project and then