Re: The status of freenode (the IRC network used by KDE)
On Wed, May 19, 2021 at 12:58 PM Aleix Pol wrote: > On Wed, May 19, 2021 at 7:45 PM Martin Flöser wrote: > > > > Am Mittwoch, 19. Mai 2021, 10:34:26 CEST schrieb Christian: > > > Dear KDE community, > > > > > > KDE has been using the free services of the freenode IRC networks for a > > > little bit more than two decades, and hopefully happily and > successfully > > > so. > > > > Thanks for informing us. This sounds horrible and must have been a very > > stressful time for all of you staffers. > > > > > Due to this leakage, Andrew Lee (former PIA/LTM, now shells.com) > > > learned of the new situation and asked democratically elected > > > freenode volunteers to step down from their position, as seen in the > > > logs linked on [4] [5] [6] > > > Therefore making the takover attempt and some details public. > > > > Given that this is driven by shells.com I think the KDE community > should step > > up and remove all references to shells.com. Their behavior in this case > goes > > clearly against our values. > > It seems to me that we are jumping to conclusions only based on hearsay. > > Today at the Board call we talked with Fuchs and Duffus about > Freenode. I've reached out to our Shells contact to see what's > happening and will be talking to them soon. > At this point the connection between this Freenode kerfuffle and > Shells is unclear to me, I'd prefer to understand what the situation > is before we ban them from our websites because they're somehow > related by blood. > > Aleix > I'm very happy to hear that the Board talked to everyone and reached out to Shells. Having read loads of logs about this, if the Board decided to hand Shells back their contribution, I would give some extra money to help cover that if necessary. The sooner we can leave freenode in peace and good order, in my opinion, the better. I love IRC, and I used to love freenode, but it is sullied now. Valorie <--- speaking only for myself -- http://about.me/valoriez - pronouns: she/her
Re: KDE Network China Event is looking for speakers and advice
On Wed, May 19, 2021 at 10:16 AM Burgess Chang wrote: > > Hi KDE Community, > > I'm Burgess Chang, Mina Liu and I from KDE Network China are planning > a KDE Network event sometime between July and August. Our topics > include showing people some of the awesome, powerful and productive > KDE applications, so we are looking for some contributors or > developers to give some talks. Especially showing people the advanced > experience and sharing interesting stories about their contribution. > > In China, the smartphone has replaced most computer functions, so > people focus on productive applications and PC games when using the > computer, because this part can not run on the phone. As we have to > think about how to raise people's interest and get them to prioritize > Linux applications and KDE, showing the possibility of this part maybe > is a good start. For example, Krita and Kdenlive is my favorite > professional software in my experience with KDE. Thus, I want to > invite the collaborators of Krita and Kdenlive. > > I have not used all the applications of KDE, so I also want to consult > what other software is suitable for this event. Hi! Sounds exciting! It could make sense to have some more information about what kind of contents you expect and the format you see them being delivered. Maybe it would also make sense to set up a call for papers on https://conf.kde.org? Aleix
Re: The status of freenode (the IRC network used by KDE)
On Wed, May 19, 2021 at 7:45 PM Martin Flöser wrote: > > Am Mittwoch, 19. Mai 2021, 10:34:26 CEST schrieb Christian: > > Dear KDE community, > > > > KDE has been using the free services of the freenode IRC networks for a > > little bit more than two decades, and hopefully happily and successfully > > so. > > Thanks for informing us. This sounds horrible and must have been a very > stressful time for all of you staffers. > > > Due to this leakage, Andrew Lee (former PIA/LTM, now shells.com) > > learned of the new situation and asked democratically elected > > freenode volunteers to step down from their position, as seen in the > > logs linked on [4] [5] [6] > > Therefore making the takover attempt and some details public. > > Given that this is driven by shells.com I think the KDE community should step > up and remove all references to shells.com. Their behavior in this case goes > clearly against our values. It seems to me that we are jumping to conclusions only based on hearsay. Today at the Board call we talked with Fuchs and Duffus about Freenode. I've reached out to our Shells contact to see what's happening and will be talking to them soon. At this point the connection between this Freenode kerfuffle and Shells is unclear to me, I'd prefer to understand what the situation is before we ban them from our websites because they're somehow related by blood. Aleix
Re: The status of freenode (the IRC network used by KDE)
On 19/05/2021 20:52, Nicolás Alvarez wrote: El mié, 19 de may. de 2021 a la(s) 14:53, Carl Schwan (c...@carlschwan.eu) escribió: Le mercredi, mai 19, 2021 7:45 PM, Martin Flöser a écrit : Am Mittwoch, 19. Mai 2021, 10:34:26 CEST schrieb Christian: Dear KDE community, KDE has been using the free services of the freenode IRC networks for a little bit more than two decades, and hopefully happily and successfully so. Thanks for informing us. This sounds horrible and must have been a very stressful time for all of you staffers. Due to this leakage, Andrew Lee (former PIA/LTM, now shells.com) learned of the new situation and asked democratically elected freenode volunteers to step down from their position, as seen in the logs linked on [4] [5] [6] Therefore making the takover attempt and some details public. Given that this is driven byshells.com I think the KDE community should step up and remove all references to shells.com. Their behavior in this case goes clearly against our values. I agree and created two merge requests: * https://invent.kde.org/websites/kde-org/-/merge_requests/104 * https://invent.kde.org/websites/neon-kde-org/-/merge_requests/8 I would prefer if it's someone who was involved with setting this up that merges these two MRs. CC Jonathan and Aleix Aren't they sponsors? We can't *just* remove them from the website... Yes, first give them their "sponsoring" (whatever that was) back, then remove them from the website. (Just for the sake of fairness, we haven't heard their side of the story; obviously I am biased, the staffers who have been doing all the heavy lifting for years, their word is backed by years of work... :)). -- Nicolás -- Ahmad Samir
Re: The status of freenode (the IRC network used by KDE)
El mié, 19 de may. de 2021 a la(s) 14:53, Carl Schwan (c...@carlschwan.eu) escribió: > > Le mercredi, mai 19, 2021 7:45 PM, Martin Flöser a écrit > : > > > Am Mittwoch, 19. Mai 2021, 10:34:26 CEST schrieb Christian: > > > > > Dear KDE community, > > > KDE has been using the free services of the freenode IRC networks for a > > > little bit more than two decades, and hopefully happily and successfully > > > so. > > > > Thanks for informing us. This sounds horrible and must have been a very > > stressful time for all of you staffers. > > > > > Due to this leakage, Andrew Lee (former PIA/LTM, now shells.com) > > > learned of the new situation and asked democratically elected > > > freenode volunteers to step down from their position, as seen in the > > > logs linked on [4] [5] [6] > > > Therefore making the takover attempt and some details public. > > > > Given that this is driven byshells.com I think the KDE community should step > > up and remove all references to shells.com. Their behavior in this case goes > > clearly against our values. > > I agree and created two merge requests: > > * https://invent.kde.org/websites/kde-org/-/merge_requests/104 > * https://invent.kde.org/websites/neon-kde-org/-/merge_requests/8 > > I would prefer if it's someone who was involved with setting this up that > merges > these two MRs. CC Jonathan and Aleix Aren't they sponsors? We can't *just* remove them from the website... -- Nicolás
Re: The status of freenode (the IRC network used by KDE)
On 19 May 2021 18:53:18 BST, Carl Schwan wrote: >Le mercredi, mai 19, 2021 7:45 PM, Martin Flöser a écrit : > >> Given that this is driven byshells.com I think the KDE community should step >> up and remove all references to shells.com. Their behavior in this case goes >> clearly against our values. > >I agree and created two merge requests: > >* https://invent.kde.org/websites/kde-org/-/merge_requests/104 >* https://invent.kde.org/websites/neon-kde-org/-/merge_requests/8 > >I would prefer if it's someone who was involved with setting this up that >merges >these two MRs. CC Jonathan and Aleix > We also have the issue that they sponsored Akademy this year for a small amount -- Kenny (Pronouns: he/him)
Re: The status of freenode (the IRC network used by KDE)
Le mercredi, mai 19, 2021 7:45 PM, Martin Flöser a écrit : > Am Mittwoch, 19. Mai 2021, 10:34:26 CEST schrieb Christian: > > > Dear KDE community, > > KDE has been using the free services of the freenode IRC networks for a > > little bit more than two decades, and hopefully happily and successfully > > so. > > Thanks for informing us. This sounds horrible and must have been a very > stressful time for all of you staffers. > > > Due to this leakage, Andrew Lee (former PIA/LTM, now shells.com) > > learned of the new situation and asked democratically elected > > freenode volunteers to step down from their position, as seen in the > > logs linked on [4] [5] [6] > > Therefore making the takover attempt and some details public. > > Given that this is driven byshells.com I think the KDE community should step > up and remove all references to shells.com. Their behavior in this case goes > clearly against our values. I agree and created two merge requests: * https://invent.kde.org/websites/kde-org/-/merge_requests/104 * https://invent.kde.org/websites/neon-kde-org/-/merge_requests/8 I would prefer if it's someone who was involved with setting this up that merges these two MRs. CC Jonathan and Aleix Cheers, Carl > > Best regards > Martin Flöser
Re: The status of freenode (the IRC network used by KDE)
Am Mittwoch, 19. Mai 2021, 10:34:26 CEST schrieb Christian: > Dear KDE community, > > KDE has been using the free services of the freenode IRC networks for a > little bit more than two decades, and hopefully happily and successfully > so. Thanks for informing us. This sounds horrible and must have been a very stressful time for all of you staffers. > Due to this leakage, Andrew Lee (former PIA/LTM, now shells.com) > learned of the new situation and asked democratically elected > freenode volunteers to step down from their position, as seen in the > logs linked on [4] [5] [6] > Therefore making the takover attempt and some details public. Given that this is driven by shells.com I think the KDE community should step up and remove all references to shells.com. Their behavior in this case goes clearly against our values. Best regards Martin Flöser
Re: The status of freenode (the IRC network used by KDE)
Hi, brief, because in between work calls: thanks for the support. New network is up and running, but currently both our human and our computer ressources are a bit overwhelmed with the huge amount of people migrating, registration and the likes might take a while. I shall give more info later when I have more time at hand. So ar thank you very much ♥ Am Mittwoch, 19. Mai 2021, 14:30:10 CEST schrieb Bhushan Shah: > Hi Christian, > > First of all thank you very much for your work, and transparency to report > this. ❤️ > > On Wednesday, 19 May, 2021 2:04:26 PM IST Christian wrote: > > I tried my very best both to not drag KDE into this situation plus to keep > > the network running as I helped running it for the past 10 years, and to > > keep your data safe in the hands of the volunteers that curated it for > > decades. > > Personally speaking at moment I am not concerned about public development > channels *that much*, but rather private channels including those used by > sysadmin, board and other teams should be first priority. > > We should, either migrate them to new IRC network or migrate them to > different platform and in addition disconnect bridges with other networks > for example, matrix/telegram temporarily. > > And yes, what is recommended by other staffers regarding your personal data/ > password/email also stands. > > > Thanks.
Re: The status of freenode (the IRC network used by KDE)
On 19/05/2021 10:34, Christian wrote: Dear KDE community, KDE has been using the free services of the freenode IRC networks for a little bit more than two decades, and hopefully happily and successfully so. During the last few weeks, freenode was a bit in troubled waters due to what was perceived as a potential serious threat of a takeover of the network Due to that, a good amount of us who have been building and running freenode for the past decades prepared their resignation letters. Some of these got leaked a few days and made it to the hackernews frontpage and various other sites. The leaks included a personal draft of a resignation letter. Due to this leakage, Andrew Lee (former PIA/LTM, now shells.com) learned of the new situation and asked democratically elected freenode volunteers to step down from their position, as seen in the logs linked on [4] [5] [6] Therefore making the takover attempt and some details public. Included in these logs are also logs from third party users that show that associates from Mr Lee, namely the user rdv / nirvana, contacted various people and offered them oper access on the new network for money or revenge. It sickens me to the stomach to see our community that we built in the last 20 years to be lost to this kind of management. As you can imagine, the community was unhappy as well and we got loads of feedback. Thank you very much, this means a lot to us. We've also seen channel ops standing up to the potential new management, see e.g. [7] I tried my very best both to not drag KDE into this situation plus to keep the network running as I helped running it for the past 10 years, and to keep your data safe in the hands of the volunteers that curated it for decades. As you can imagine, this whole mess makes me even less want to spend any of my volunteering time for the potential new management, and I wouldn't want to be responsible for sensitive user data under that management, either. Therefore I resigned from my volunteer position as a freenode staffer, along with some colleagues, and I assume a lot more will follow. I had all my access removed, so that I could not hand it or any data over to a third party, even if I wanted or if I were forced to. My resignation letter, along with some details, can be found at https://fuchsnet.ch/freenode-resign-letter.txt Big thanks to the KDE community for having been with us for more than twenty years, and despite IRCs shortcomings and new solutions available still being part of the freenode IRC network. Kind regards, Christian (commonly known as Fuchs) Thank you (all of you) for all the hard work over the years, IRC has been always there as far back as I can remember :) And, yes, I hope I'll be seeing you soon on the new, really free-we-are-making-sure-of-it-by-backing-it-up-with-a-non-profit-organization, node/network :) Have a very good day, and thanks again. (And I didn't know the background of freenode, however I've always thought that it's as amazing as having Linux as whole, Kernel, glibc, KDE, and IRC :)). I second what Bhushan said, we need to act quickly -- Ahmad Samir
Re: The status of freenode (the IRC network used by KDE)
Hi Christian, First of all thank you very much for your work, and transparency to report this. ❤️ On Wednesday, 19 May, 2021 2:04:26 PM IST Christian wrote: > I tried my very best both to not drag KDE into this situation plus to keep > the network running as I helped running it for the past 10 years, and to > keep your data safe in the hands of the volunteers that curated it for > decades. Personally speaking at moment I am not concerned about public development channels *that much*, but rather private channels including those used by sysadmin, board and other teams should be first priority. We should, either migrate them to new IRC network or migrate them to different platform and in addition disconnect bridges with other networks for example, matrix/telegram temporarily. And yes, what is recommended by other staffers regarding your personal data/ password/email also stands. Thanks.
Re: The status of freenode (the IRC network used by KDE)
Hey there, everyone On Wed, 19 May, 2021, 2:08 pm Halla Rempt, wrote: > On Wednesday, 19 May 2021 10:34:26 CEST Christian wrote: > > > > During the last few weeks, freenode was a bit in troubled waters due to > what > > was perceived as a potential serious threat of a takeover of the > network > > Due to that, a good amount of us who have been building and running > freenode > > for the past decades prepared their resignation letters. > > Some of these got leaked a few days and made it to the hackernews > frontpage > > and various other sites. The leaks included a personal draft of a > resignation > > letter. > > Thank you for taking the big step, Christian. > > We've been discussing this in the Krita community as well. We're still > IRC-centric -- matrix doesn't work as well for us. Is there a different > network we should migrate to? > Christian mentioned a new network in the resignation letter The excerpt is mentioned below: - Where will we be going from here? We are founding a new network with the same goals and ambitions: libera.chat. It is backed by a swedish non-profit which lets us hold the name, domain and various other assets to avoid a hostile corporate takeover. It allows us to continue to operate the network as unpaid, neutral volunteers. It allows us to ensure that your personal data does not end up as an asset to some company that could consider monetizing it. You can connect to the new network at `irc.libera.chat`, ssl port 6697 (and the usual clearnet port. Best Piyush Aggarwal
Re: The status of freenode (the IRC network used by KDE)
Hi Halla, Libera, mentioned in my resignation letter, should open soon. It is ran by now / soon to be ex-freenode staff, under a swedish non profit so this can't happen again, but with the same goals and values as freenode. OFTC would be an other option coming to mind, but I'd love to see you lot on libera, of course. Sorry that this was a bit rushed, one of us really couldn't live with us handing over the data (well, to be honest, none of us can, but he decided to go public before we could) and thus we now are a bit in a rush mode, I'll try to give more updates as soon as I can, I'm currently at work and my time is very limited. Kind regards, Christian
Re: The status of freenode (the IRC network used by KDE)
On Wednesday, 19 May 2021 10:34:26 CEST Christian wrote: > > During the last few weeks, freenode was a bit in troubled waters due to what > was perceived as a potential serious threat of a takeover of the network > Due to that, a good amount of us who have been building and running freenode > for the past decades prepared their resignation letters. > Some of these got leaked a few days and made it to the hackernews frontpage > and various other sites. The leaks included a personal draft of a resignation > letter. > We've been discussing this in the Krita community as well. We're still IRC-centric -- matrix doesn't work as well for us. Is there a different network we should migrate to? -- https://www.krita.org
The status of freenode (the IRC network used by KDE)
Dear KDE community, KDE has been using the free services of the freenode IRC networks for a little bit more than two decades, and hopefully happily and successfully so. During the last few weeks, freenode was a bit in troubled waters due to what was perceived as a potential serious threat of a takeover of the network Due to that, a good amount of us who have been building and running freenode for the past decades prepared their resignation letters. Some of these got leaked a few days and made it to the hackernews frontpage and various other sites. The leaks included a personal draft of a resignation letter. Due to this leakage, Andrew Lee (former PIA/LTM, now shells.com) learned of the new situation and asked democratically elected freenode volunteers to step down from their position, as seen in the logs linked on [4] [5] [6] Therefore making the takover attempt and some details public. Included in these logs are also logs from third party users that show that associates from Mr Lee, namely the user rdv / nirvana, contacted various people and offered them oper access on the new network for money or revenge. It sickens me to the stomach to see our community that we built in the last 20 years to be lost to this kind of management. As you can imagine, the community was unhappy as well and we got loads of feedback. Thank you very much, this means a lot to us. We've also seen channel ops standing up to the potential new management, see e.g. [7] I tried my very best both to not drag KDE into this situation plus to keep the network running as I helped running it for the past 10 years, and to keep your data safe in the hands of the volunteers that curated it for decades. As you can imagine, this whole mess makes me even less want to spend any of my volunteering time for the potential new management, and I wouldn't want to be responsible for sensitive user data under that management, either. Therefore I resigned from my volunteer position as a freenode staffer, along with some colleagues, and I assume a lot more will follow. I had all my access removed, so that I could not hand it or any data over to a third party, even if I wanted or if I were forced to. My resignation letter, along with some details, can be found at https://fuchsnet.ch/freenode-resign-letter.txt Big thanks to the KDE community for having been with us for more than twenty years, and despite IRCs shortcomings and new solutions available still being part of the freenode IRC network. Kind regards, Christian (commonly known as Fuchs)
KDE Network China Event is looking for speakers and advice
Hi KDE Community, I'm Burgess Chang, Mina Liu and I from KDE Network China are planning a KDE Network event sometime between July and August. Our topics include showing people some of the awesome, powerful and productive KDE applications, so we are looking for some contributors or developers to give some talks. Especially showing people the advanced experience and sharing interesting stories about their contribution. In China, the smartphone has replaced most computer functions, so people focus on productive applications and PC games when using the computer, because this part can not run on the phone. As we have to think about how to raise people's interest and get them to prioritize Linux applications and KDE, showing the possibility of this part maybe is a good start. For example, Krita and Kdenlive is my favorite professional software in my experience with KDE. Thus, I want to invite the collaborators of Krita and Kdenlive. I have not used all the applications of KDE, so I also want to consult what other software is suitable for this event.
