Re: [kde-community] Your mission, should you choose to accept it, is.....
Hi folks, I proposed this directly to the Forum moderators here: https://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=9t=123215p=321245#p321245 We now have a reply: https://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=9t=123215p=321325#p321325 It is absolutely possible to set up a new forum dedicated to The Mission and move topics out of brainstorm. This new forum would be a plain forum and everybody can post there, so devs would also be able to directly post new missions. The tagging system enables us to assign threads to certain topics (like GCI, GSoC, etc). And i think we also have a simple voting system in place that we can assign. This solution does not yet include a bridge to mailinglists/bugzilla, so a certain dedication from developers would be needed. Would that work for you? :-) Yes? Valorie On Sun, Sep 28, 2014 at 11:01 PM, Valorie Zimmerman valorie.zimmer...@gmail.com wrote: Since there has been no more feedback about this, I'll move the discussion to the KDE-www list and get it implemented. There have been numerous calls since Akademy for various jobs which could be placed on this forum space. -v On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 6:46 PM, Valorie Zimmerman valorie.zimmer...@gmail.com wrote: This thread seems to have stopped, so I'm starting it up again. On Sun, Sep 14, 2014 at 4:05 AM, Peter Grasch pe...@grasch.net wrote: On Saturday, September 13, 2014 01:03:12 PM Claus Christensen wrote: This is a great idea. I wouldn't mind putting in some work to make something like this get off the ground. Awesome, a volunteer! You wouldn't happen to have any experience in web development or desire to learn about it, would you? :) Best regards, Peter Are people excited about advertising for new people, and new sub-projects within their software projects? If so, shall we ask the Forum admins to create a Mission area? Or do we need more discussion about how exactly this should be put together, who will use it, etc.? Partial quote from Peter's original proposal: What we have come up with is a proposal to reuse part of Brainstorm, and extend that in a new direction. We envision a unified place where developers aggregate missions of different size and scope. This place is meant to be the go-to place for people who want to get involved with KDE, accessible through a prominent get involved link on kde.org. The kind of missions we envision are: * Junior Jobs * GSoC, SoK, GCi * new team members wanted * specific areas needing attention * applications and libraries needing maintainers Brainstorm is a place for users to dream about cool stuff, and even vote up the ideas. What has been missing is developer buy-in, as we understand it. Right now there is a section in Brainstorm called In Development. What we are proposing is to launch Mission on the Forum as well. Project managers could close threads and link to the new Mission. This could also be a place to integrate idea generation for GSoC projects, Summer of KDE , even GCi tasks, possibly allowing users to rate them in importance. If we can get in the habit of doing this all year round, getting ready for GSoC, SoK, and GCi will be easier. We have our first mission, once this is created on the Forum: https://blogs.kde.org/2014/08/16/konqueror-looking-maintainer The sooner we get this up and running, the sooner we can draw new contributors into our community. Valorie ___ kde-community mailing list kde-community@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-community
Re: [kde-community] Your mission, should you choose to accept it, is.....
Since there has been no more feedback about this, I'll move the discussion to the KDE-www list and get it implemented. There have been numerous calls since Akademy for various jobs which could be placed on this forum space. -v On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 6:46 PM, Valorie Zimmerman valorie.zimmer...@gmail.com wrote: This thread seems to have stopped, so I'm starting it up again. On Sun, Sep 14, 2014 at 4:05 AM, Peter Grasch pe...@grasch.net wrote: On Saturday, September 13, 2014 01:03:12 PM Claus Christensen wrote: This is a great idea. I wouldn't mind putting in some work to make something like this get off the ground. Awesome, a volunteer! You wouldn't happen to have any experience in web development or desire to learn about it, would you? :) Best regards, Peter Are people excited about advertising for new people, and new sub-projects within their software projects? If so, shall we ask the Forum admins to create a Mission area? Or do we need more discussion about how exactly this should be put together, who will use it, etc.? Partial quote from Peter's original proposal: What we have come up with is a proposal to reuse part of Brainstorm, and extend that in a new direction. We envision a unified place where developers aggregate missions of different size and scope. This place is meant to be the go-to place for people who want to get involved with KDE, accessible through a prominent get involved link on kde.org. The kind of missions we envision are: * Junior Jobs * GSoC, SoK, GCi * new team members wanted * specific areas needing attention * applications and libraries needing maintainers Brainstorm is a place for users to dream about cool stuff, and even vote up the ideas. What has been missing is developer buy-in, as we understand it. Right now there is a section in Brainstorm called In Development. What we are proposing is to launch Mission on the Forum as well. Project managers could close threads and link to the new Mission. This could also be a place to integrate idea generation for GSoC projects, Summer of KDE , even GCi tasks, possibly allowing users to rate them in importance. If we can get in the habit of doing this all year round, getting ready for GSoC, SoK, and GCi will be easier. We have our first mission, once this is created on the Forum: https://blogs.kde.org/2014/08/16/konqueror-looking-maintainer The sooner we get this up and running, the sooner we can draw new contributors into our community. Valorie ___ kde-community mailing list kde-community@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-community
Re: [kde-community] Your mission, should you choose to accept it, is.....
On Thursday, September 11, 2014 03:56:01 PM Arjun Ak wrote: How about having something similar to the eudyptula challenge (http://eudyptula-challenge.org/) ? This is orthogonal to this idea. The Eudyptula challenge is about educating people whereas our proposal is about adjusting our workflow so as to make it easier to include and attract new people. Having said that, I think that the idea of having an automized online workshop for KDE development similar to the Eudyptula challenge would be very helpful. Please open another thread if you want to talk more about this possibility. Best regards, Peter ___ kde-community mailing list kde-community@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-community
Re: [kde-community] Your mission, should you choose to accept it, is.....
On Saturday, September 13, 2014 01:03:12 PM Claus Christensen wrote: This is a great idea. I wouldn't mind putting in some work to make something like this get off the ground. Awesome, a volunteer! You wouldn't happen to have any experience in web development or desire to learn about it, would you? :) Best regards, Peter ___ kde-community mailing list kde-community@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-community
Re: [kde-community] Your mission, should you choose to accept it, is.....
On Sunday, September 14, 2014 01:03:47 PM Peter Grasch wrote: Having said that, I think that the idea of having an automized online workshop for KDE development similar to the Eudyptula challenge would be very helpful. Please open another thread if you want to talk more about this possibility. That's a topic that came up a little obliquely during Akademy as well: suppose we have a new application, one that is in the process of joining the KDE community (yes, I have a specific one in mind). How do we explain what it means to be a part of the community? What are our practices? Where are our inclusion criteria? What are the first steps of engagement once you're in playground, on a social and technical level? [ade] (and if these are all documented on community.k.o, then please point me at them) ___ kde-community mailing list kde-community@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-community
Re: [kde-community] Your mission, should you choose to accept it, is.....
Isn't that what the KDE Manifesto is supposed to be about? And the incubator (is that the correct name?) to have a mentor to guide them through the whole process, like GCompris did this year. On Sun, Sep 14, 2014 at 5:15 PM, Adriaan de Groot gr...@kde.org wrote: On Sunday, September 14, 2014 01:03:47 PM Peter Grasch wrote: Having said that, I think that the idea of having an automized online workshop for KDE development similar to the Eudyptula challenge would be very helpful. Please open another thread if you want to talk more about this possibility. That's a topic that came up a little obliquely during Akademy as well: suppose we have a new application, one that is in the process of joining the KDE community (yes, I have a specific one in mind). How do we explain what it means to be a part of the community? What are our practices? Where are our inclusion criteria? What are the first steps of engagement once you're in playground, on a social and technical level? [ade] (and if these are all documented on community.k.o, then please point me at them) ___ kde-community mailing list kde-community@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-community ___ kde-community mailing list kde-community@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-community
Re: [kde-community] Your mission, should you choose to accept it, is.....
Hi again [ade]! On Sun, Sep 14, 2014 at 1:15 PM, Adriaan de Groot gr...@kde.org wrote: On Sunday, September 14, 2014 01:03:47 PM Peter Grasch wrote: Having said that, I think that the idea of having an automized online workshop for KDE development similar to the Eudyptula challenge would be very helpful. Please open another thread if you want to talk more about this possibility. That's a topic that came up a little obliquely during Akademy as well: suppose we have a new application, one that is in the process of joining the KDE community (yes, I have a specific one in mind). How do we explain what it means to be a part of the community? What are our practices? Where are our inclusion criteria? What are the first steps of engagement once you're in playground, on a social and technical level? [ade] (and if these are all documented on community.k.o, then please point me at them) https://community.kde.org/Incubator So far as I can tell, this is working wonderfully so far. I'd like to see us promote this process more widely now that we're getting things working smoothly. Valorie -- http://about.me/valoriez ___ kde-community mailing list kde-community@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-community
Re: [kde-community] Your mission, should you choose to accept it, is.....
On Thursday 11 September 2014 15:56:01 Arjun Ak wrote: How about having something similar to the eudyptula challenge (http://eudyptula-challenge.org/) ? Please don't take this personally, Arjun, but the challenge you linked to serves as the ideal example of how we should _not_ do this ;) Its underlying assumption seems to be if we raise the barrier of entry as high as possible, we only get the really good people, so they did what they could to frighten people off by - Allowing email as the only way of communication - Telling people that HTML mails will be rejected - Explicitly prohibiting people to ask questions - Using quite harsh words to describe those limitations This is the antithesis of welcoming inexperienced, insecure people who would like to give back to the community that produced software they love, but don't know how. If there is one thing which the VDG taught us, it's that we should do the exact opposite of what the Eudyptula Challenge does: We should lower the barrier as far as possible, we should offer people help and advice wherever we can, we should ease their minds and help them to overcome their insecurities. Many new contributors in the VDG forum introduce themselves with I'm not a designer, but..., and then they often present brilliant ideas, which are sometimes just be scribbled on a piece of paper due to lack of knowledge of using graphics software, but can easily be taken up and refined by the community to the point where they are clear enough to be implemented. And people in the forum learn along the way, from each other. They learn how to use graphics applications, and some even take a stab at QML in order to help their ideas become a reality. The VDG showed us is that attracting people willing to help us out and motivating them to stick around and grow as they go along is more important than securing top talent by raising the barrier. So yes, we need to put quite some effort into this, but I'm sure it will pay out in the end. Cheers, Thomas ___ kde-community mailing list kde-community@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-community
Re: [kde-community] Your mission, should you choose to accept it, is.....
Hello everyone, some of us who missed the day trip today in Brno were discussing ways to get new or less proactive people involved with KDE. Right now, we are a community of very proactive, inner-directed people. We find something to do, or make up something to do that makes us happy. It would be great to have people who are not of this personality or those who have no idea where to start, to get a nice choice of what we know we need. The vague idea is to offer people descriptions of missions that they can take up, to lower the barrier of entry. What we have come up with is a proposal to reuse part of Brainstorm, and extend that in a new direction. We envision a unified place where developers aggregate missions of different size and scope. This place is meant to be the go-to place for people who want to get involved with KDE, accessible through a prominent get involved link on kde.org. The kind of missions we envision are: * Junior Jobs * GSoC, SoK, GCi * new team members wanted * specific areas needing attention * applications and libraries needing maintainers Brainstorm is a place for users to dream about cool stuff, and even vote up the ideas. What has been missing is developer buy-in, as we understand it. Right now there is a section in Brainstorm called In Development. What we are proposing is to launch Mission on the Forum as well. Project managers could close threads and link to the new Mission. This could also be a place to integrate idea generation for GSoC projects, Summer of KDE , even GCi tasks, possibly allowing users to rate them in importance. If we can get in the habit of doing this all year round, getting ready for GSoC, SoK, and GCi will be easier. We have our first mission, once this is created on the Forum: https://blogs.kde.org/2014/08/16/konqueror-looking-maintainer Valorie Zimmerman Michael Bohlender Heinz Wiesinger David Faure Peter Grasch ___ kde-community mailing list kde-community@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-community
Re: [kde-community] Your mission, should you choose to accept it, is.....
How about having something similar to the eudyptula challenge (http://eudyptula-challenge.org/) ? On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 3:14 PM, Peter Grasch pe...@grasch.net wrote: Hello everyone, some of us who missed the day trip today in Brno were discussing ways to get new or less proactive people involved with KDE. Right now, we are a community of very proactive, inner-directed people. We find something to do, or make up something to do that makes us happy. It would be great to have people who are not of this personality or those who have no idea where to start, to get a nice choice of what we know we need. The vague idea is to offer people descriptions of missions that they can take up, to lower the barrier of entry. What we have come up with is a proposal to reuse part of Brainstorm, and extend that in a new direction. We envision a unified place where developers aggregate missions of different size and scope. This place is meant to be the go-to place for people who want to get involved with KDE, accessible through a prominent get involved link on kde.org. The kind of missions we envision are: * Junior Jobs * GSoC, SoK, GCi * new team members wanted * specific areas needing attention * applications and libraries needing maintainers Brainstorm is a place for users to dream about cool stuff, and even vote up the ideas. What has been missing is developer buy-in, as we understand it. Right now there is a section in Brainstorm called In Development. What we are proposing is to launch Mission on the Forum as well. Project managers could close threads and link to the new Mission. This could also be a place to integrate idea generation for GSoC projects, Summer of KDE , even GCi tasks, possibly allowing users to rate them in importance. If we can get in the habit of doing this all year round, getting ready for GSoC, SoK, and GCi will be easier. We have our first mission, once this is created on the Forum: https://blogs.kde.org/2014/08/16/konqueror-looking-maintainer Valorie Zimmerman Michael Bohlender Heinz Wiesinger David Faure Peter Grasch ___ kde-community mailing list kde-community@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-community ___ kde-community mailing list kde-community@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-community
Re: [kde-community] Your mission, should you choose to accept it, is.....
Hi Peter, I did have the idea that I mentioned on here a while back of possibly setting up a job board, so people can apply for jobs, or submit their details (current occupation and experience etc.) if they're not sure where they would be useful, so they can be guided into certain areas. It would make promotion easier as well as you can just promote the one job, and one link. I think a more anonymous, and formal process might be better for some people, especially those with less confidence. There are software packages that can handle this kind of thing already; however it would be better if it were properly integrated into the kde.org website rather than another bolt on. I am currently trying to come up with a plan for consolidation the would take this sort of thing into consideration. There is also the problem that some of these things are more events than jobs, so again this is something that needs thinking about. Kind regards, David. On 11 Sep 2014 10:45, Peter Grasch pe...@grasch.net wrote: Hello everyone, some of us who missed the day trip today in Brno were discussing ways to get new or less proactive people involved with KDE. Right now, we are a community of very proactive, inner-directed people. We find something to do, or make up something to do that makes us happy. It would be great to have people who are not of this personality or those who have no idea where to start, to get a nice choice of what we know we need. The vague idea is to offer people descriptions of missions that they can take up, to lower the barrier of entry. What we have come up with is a proposal to reuse part of Brainstorm, and extend that in a new direction. We envision a unified place where developers aggregate missions of different size and scope. This place is meant to be the go-to place for people who want to get involved with KDE, accessible through a prominent get involved link on kde.org. The kind of missions we envision are: * Junior Jobs * GSoC, SoK, GCi * new team members wanted * specific areas needing attention * applications and libraries needing maintainers Brainstorm is a place for users to dream about cool stuff, and even vote up the ideas. What has been missing is developer buy-in, as we understand it. Right now there is a section in Brainstorm called In Development. What we are proposing is to launch Mission on the Forum as well. Project managers could close threads and link to the new Mission. This could also be a place to integrate idea generation for GSoC projects, Summer of KDE , even GCi tasks, possibly allowing users to rate them in importance. If we can get in the habit of doing this all year round, getting ready for GSoC, SoK, and GCi will be easier. We have our first mission, once this is created on the Forum: https://blogs.kde.org/2014/08/16/konqueror-looking-maintainer Valorie Zimmerman Michael Bohlender Heinz Wiesinger David Faure Peter Grasch ___ kde-community mailing list kde-community@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-community ___ kde-community mailing list kde-community@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-community
