Re: Please participate in the requirements Etherpad (Was: Re: radical proposal: move IRC to Rocket.Chat)
On Thursday 10 August 2017 10:57:29 Adriaan de Groot wrote: > This is a microcosm, a textbook example, a beautiful illustration of > exactly what the culture-worries in the IM thread are about Perhaps to clarify: the above is a philosophical point (see what happens when you start messing around with communications channels), not related to the actual list being created. The list being created so far is (as Thomas mentioned) at https://notes.kde.org/p/KDE_IM_requirements You will need a KDE identity account to access it. If I glance at the colors in that notepad (even though few have attached their name to a color), it looks like all the vocal people in this thread are also represented on the notepad. There are interesting philosophical discussions to be had about the content of the list -- but not just yet, I don't think. [ade]
Re: Please participate in the requirements Etherpad (Was: Re: radical proposal: move IRC to Rocket.Chat)
On Thursday 10 August 2017 00:15:21 Thomas Pfeiffer wrote: > Just in case my other email linking to the Etherpad was overlooked by some > of you because it was buried too deep in the thread: > > Let's make this discussion productive by collecting the requirements KDE has > for a chat / IM system to become our standard in this document: > > https://notes.kde.org/p/KDE_IM_requirements > > This is supposed to be the basis for our evaluation and ultimately decision, > so if you don't contribute, you don't get to complain later ;) The thing is, you suddenly changed communications mechanisms, added an authentication step, and changed the format for listing the requirements. That fragments the discussion between the original group participating, and the group that moves to the new(er) communications protocol. And now you're saying that those that do not move to the new protocol, don't deserve to have (had) a voice? This is a microcosm, a textbook example, a beautiful illustration of exactly what the culture-worries in the IM thread are about: you're going to lose people (for sure) and you're going to attract people (possibly), but the most effective thing to do in communication is to keep everyone in the loop. (That said, I applaud the attempt to work together towards the creation of a list in a medium that is more conducive to reaching a "this is the document" than an email thread.) [ade]
Re: Please participate in the requirements Etherpad
Thomas Pfeiffer - 10.08.17, 00:15: > Just in case my other email linking to the Etherpad was overlooked by some > of you because it was buried too deep in the thread: > > Let's make this discussion productive by collecting the requirements KDE has > for a chat / IM system to become our standard in this document: > > https://notes.kde.org/p/KDE_IM_requirements > > This is supposed to be the basis for our evaluation and ultimately decision, > so if you don't contribute, you don't get to complain later ;) I added aspects of inclusion to that (make both IRC and new chat system users happy instead of triggering energy wasting fights between those two groups, have a GUI for people with disabilities). Thanks, -- Martin
