Re: Re: bugzilla situation

2012-02-24 Thread Ben Cooksley
On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 8:06 PM, Martin Gräßlin mgraess...@kde.org wrote: On Friday 24 February 2012 02:15:54 Sven Burmeister wrote: Am Mittwoch, 22. Februar 2012, 19:00:26 schrieb Martin Gräßlin: Personally I'm not sure whether the MeeGo bugzilla can be compared to the KDE one (technical

Re: Re: Re: bugzilla situation

2012-02-24 Thread Martin Gräßlin
On Friday 24 February 2012 21:03:42 Ben Cooksley wrote: On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 8:06 PM, Martin Gräßlin mgraess...@kde.org wrote: On Friday 24 February 2012 02:15:54 Sven Burmeister wrote: Am Mittwoch, 22. Februar 2012, 19:00:26 schrieb Martin Gräßlin: Personally I'm not sure whether the

Re: bugzilla situation

2012-02-24 Thread Thorsten Zachmann
On Friday, February 24, 2012 08:06:41 Martin Gräßlin wrote: Consider that we have to ask again and again for all those things to find out in the end that it is a known issue with $foo driver in combination with $bar feature. All these things could so easily be handled by a first level

Re: bugzilla situation

2012-02-24 Thread Andras Mantia
On Thursday, February 23, 2012 04:57:16 PM David Edmundson wrote: First of all, the bugzilla is supposed to be a communication tool between the user and the developer. Or is it? If I understand Martin correctly, he wants bugzilla to be a list of things broken in my app, not a

Re: Bugzilla upgrade.

2012-02-24 Thread Andras Mantia
On Tuesday, February 21, 2012 11:37:23 PM Milian Wolff wrote: What version will the new bugzilla have? Are the REST/JSON/XMLRPC APIs going to be enabled? And then maybe someone can revive kbugbuster. Andras

Re: Binary compatiblity for liboxygenstyle.so

2012-02-24 Thread David Faure
On Friday 24 February 2012 10:58:39 Andras Mantia wrote: I know this does not affect regular releases in distributions, but it is very bad for those working/testing KDE master. Not only master, the same happens to me in my self-compiled KDE-4.8 environment. Let's just fix this the BC way, by

Re: Binary compatiblity for liboxygenstyle.so

2012-02-24 Thread Hugo Pereira Da Costa
Hi Andras, no there is no guarantee for liboxygenstyle.so.4, and I don't plan to guarantee it. It is all internal to kde-workspace, and has no public api. the fact that oxygen gets broken for kde installed from source due to incorrect plugin path is an issue with Qt installantion, and/or with

Re: Binary compatiblity for liboxygenstyle.so

2012-02-24 Thread Hugo Pereira Da Costa
On 02/24/2012 11:21 AM, Hugo Pereira Da Costa wrote: Hi Andras, no there is no guarantee for liboxygenstyle.so.4, and I don't plan to guarantee it. It is all internal to kde-workspace, and has no public api. the fact that oxygen gets broken for kde installed from source due to incorrect

Re: Binary compatiblity for liboxygenstyle.so

2012-02-24 Thread Hugo Pereira Da Costa
On 02/24/2012 11:25 AM, Hugo Pereira Da Costa wrote: On 02/24/2012 11:21 AM, Hugo Pereira Da Costa wrote: Hi Andras, no there is no guarantee for liboxygenstyle.so.4, and I don't plan to guarantee it. It is all internal to kde-workspace, and has no public api. the fact that oxygen gets

Re: Binary compatiblity for liboxygenstyle.so

2012-02-24 Thread Pino Toscano
Alle venerdì 24 febbraio 2012, Hugo Pereira Da Costa ha scritto: no there is no guarantee for liboxygenstyle.so.4, and I don't plan to guarantee it. It is all internal to kde-workspace, and has no public api. Then please correctly bump its SONAME, instead of using the same SONAME

Re: Review Request: kdepasswd KCM: add option to remove the user image

2012-02-24 Thread Christoph Feck
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Re: Binary compatiblity for liboxygenstyle.so

2012-02-24 Thread Hugo Pereira Da Costa
On 02/24/2012 11:43 AM, Pino Toscano wrote: Alle venerdì 24 febbraio 2012, Hugo Pereira Da Costa ha scritto: no there is no guarantee for liboxygenstyle.so.4, and I don't plan to guarantee it. It is all internal to kde-workspace, and has no public api. Then please correctly bump its SONAME,

Re: Binary compatiblity for liboxygenstyle.so

2012-02-24 Thread Thiago Macieira
On sexta-feira, 24 de fevereiro de 2012 11.49.44, Hugo Pereira Da Costa wrote: despite the fact that you have a local kde build, the pluggins that gets loaded by Qt when running a KDE or Qt application are not the ones you compiled. An old one is used instead, that is inconsistent with the

Re: Binary compatiblity for liboxygenstyle.so

2012-02-24 Thread Andras Mantia
On Friday, February 24, 2012 11:51:51 AM Thiago Macieira wrote: Correct. Make sure that your new KDE's installation is found by the Qt plugin system, either by setting QT_PLUGIN_PATH or by editing Trolltech.conf. I have this: printenv QT_PLUGIN_PATH

Re: Binary compatiblity for liboxygenstyle.so

2012-02-24 Thread Hugo Pereira Da Costa
On 02/24/2012 11:51 AM, Thiago Macieira wrote: On sexta-feira, 24 de fevereiro de 2012 11.49.44, Hugo Pereira Da Costa wrote: despite the fact that you have a local kde build, the pluggins that gets loaded by Qt when running a KDE or Qt application are not the ones you compiled. An old one is

Re: Binary compatiblity for liboxygenstyle.so

2012-02-24 Thread Hugo Pereira Da Costa
On 02/24/2012 11:56 AM, Andras Mantia wrote: On Friday, February 24, 2012 11:51:51 AM Thiago Macieira wrote: Correct. Make sure that your new KDE's installation is found by the Qt plugin system, either by setting QT_PLUGIN_PATH or by editing Trolltech.conf. I have this: printenv

Re: Binary compatiblity for liboxygenstyle.so

2012-02-24 Thread Pino Toscano
Alle venerdì 24 febbraio 2012, Hugo Pereira Da Costa ha scritto: On 02/24/2012 12:01 PM, Pino Toscano wrote: Alle venerdì 24 febbraio 2012, Hugo Pereira Da Costa ha scritto: On 02/24/2012 11:43 AM, Pino Toscano wrote: Alle venerdì 24 febbraio 2012, Hugo Pereira Da Costa ha scritto: no

Re: Binary compatiblity for liboxygenstyle.so

2012-02-24 Thread Andras Mantia
On Friday, February 24, 2012 12:01:37 PM Hugo Pereira Da Costa wrote: are other applications also crashing (like, e.g. plasma workspace, or kwin) ? (It should) if not it might be a QtCreator specific issue. Yes, also kde apps crash, like kdesvn, kate, etc. Andras

Re: bugzilla situation

2012-02-24 Thread Boudewijn Rempt
On Fri, 24 Feb 2012, Alex Merry wrote: On 24/02/12 09:22, Thorsten Zachmann wrote: Why not have a state for bugs that you know are worth fixing? Then the developers can concentrate on those and Other people can do the initial cleaning to get the bugs to a state they can be closed or the proper

Re: Review Request: kdepasswd KCM: add option to remove the user image

2012-02-24 Thread Ralf Jung
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Re: bugzilla situation

2012-02-24 Thread Alexander Neundorf
On Friday 24 February 2012, Martin Gräßlin wrote: On Friday 24 February 2012 21:03:42 Ben Cooksley wrote: On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 8:06 PM, Martin Gräßlin mgraess...@kde.org ... Consider that we have to ask again and again for all those things to find out in the end that it is a known

Re: bugzilla situation

2012-02-24 Thread Alexander Neundorf
On Friday 24 February 2012, Ben Cooksley wrote: On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 11:41 AM, Kevin Ottens er...@kde.org wrote: On Thursday 23 February 2012 17:39:12 Trever Fischer wrote: Random, possibly entirely unhelpful suggestion: Perhaps using our redmine install of projects.kde.org for this kind

Re: bugzilla situation

2012-02-24 Thread Thomas Lübking
Am 24.02.2012, 09:44 Uhr, schrieb Andras Mantia aman...@kde.org: Bugzilla is not a to-do list, it is for what else... a bug (and wishlist) reporting tool for users. The problem here that this is noise prone and the low entropy isn't helping anyone (and i'm not talking about users should not

Re: bugzilla situation

2012-02-24 Thread Andras Mantia
On Friday, February 24, 2012 06:10:23 PM Thomas Lübking wrote: Am 24.02.2012, 09:44 Uhr, schrieb Andras Mantia aman...@kde.org: Bugzilla is not a to-do list, it is for what else... a bug (and wishlist) reporting tool for users. The problem here that this is noise prone and the low entropy

Re: Binary compatiblity for liboxygenstyle.so

2012-02-24 Thread Sune Vuorela
On 2012-02-24, Hugo Pereira Da Costa h...@oxygen-icons.org wrote: I understand that. The point I was trying to make, is that you would still get the old pluggin, admittingly without crashing, but which would nonetheless be not correct. Whattabout just linking liboxygenstyle static into the

Re: Re: bugzilla situation

2012-02-24 Thread Martin Gräßlin
On Friday 24 February 2012 19:32:10 Andras Mantia wrote: On Friday, February 24, 2012 06:10:23 PM Thomas Lübking wrote: Am 24.02.2012, 09:44 Uhr, schrieb Andras Mantia aman...@kde.org: Bugzilla is not a to-do list, it is for what else... a bug (and wishlist) reporting tool for users.

Re: bugzilla situation

2012-02-24 Thread Sune Vuorela
On 2012-02-22, David Faure fa...@kde.org wrote: up with was the few cases where bugs turned into actual political flamewars; his answer was obviously give rights to everyone, and remove rights when someone abuses them. This is also what we do for SVN/GIT, so why don't we do this for

Re: bugzilla situation

2012-02-24 Thread Sven Burmeister
Am Freitag, 24. Februar 2012, 08:06:41 schrieb Martin Gräßlin: My claim is that most of that user support only ends-up in bugzilla because people did not get help somewhere else, e.g. because only developers are familiar enough with the code to understand the issue. No, that is clearly

Re: bugzilla situation

2012-02-24 Thread Sven Burmeister
Am Freitag, 24. Februar 2012, 18:51:11 schrieb Martin Gräßlin: On Friday 24 February 2012 19:32:10 Andras Mantia wrote: On Friday, February 24, 2012 06:10:23 PM Thomas Lübking wrote: Am 24.02.2012, 09:44 Uhr, schrieb Andras Mantia aman...@kde.org: Bugzilla is not a to-do list, it is for

Re: Re: bugzilla situation

2012-02-24 Thread Martin Gräßlin
On Friday 24 February 2012 19:11:12 Sven Burmeister wrote: Am Freitag, 24. Februar 2012, 08:06:41 schrieb Martin Gräßlin: My claim is that most of that user support only ends-up in bugzilla because people did not get help somewhere else, e.g. because only developers are familiar enough

Re: bugzilla situation

2012-02-24 Thread Andras Mantia
On Friday, February 24, 2012 06:51:11 PM Martin Gräßlin wrote: - first level support issues are not opened on the bug tracker but in a user support management system - e.g. forums.kde.org. Only if the supporters figure out that there is a real bug, they will open a bug report. This is high

Re: Re: bugzilla situation

2012-02-24 Thread Martin Gräßlin
On Friday 24 February 2012 19:27:09 Sven Burmeister wrote: yes, of course, we have to help the users. But they need to get a tool for user support, not a tool for developer communication. We need a first-level- support to help the users. Developers are the third-level-support. I doubt

Review Request: Fix readLongLink method

2012-02-24 Thread Mario Bensi
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Review Request: Test Global extended header

2012-02-24 Thread Mario Bensi
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Review Request: Test and add prefix value

2012-02-24 Thread Mario Bensi
--- This is an automatically generated e-mail. To reply, visit: http://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/104067/ --- Review request for kdelibs and David Faure. Description --- We can

Re: Binary compatiblity for liboxygenstyle.so

2012-02-24 Thread Martin Klapetek
On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 11:56, Andras Mantia aman...@kde.org wrote: On Friday, February 24, 2012 11:51:51 AM Thiago Macieira wrote: Correct. Make sure that your new KDE's installation is found by the Qt plugin system, either by setting QT_PLUGIN_PATH or by editing Trolltech.conf. I

Re: bugzilla situation

2012-02-24 Thread David Edmundson
On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 8:44 AM, Andras Mantia aman...@kde.org wrote: On Thursday, February 23, 2012 04:57:16 PM David Edmundson wrote: First of all, the bugzilla is supposed to be a communication tool between the user and the developer. Or is it? If I understand Martin correctly, he wants

Re: bugzilla situation

2012-02-24 Thread Andras Mantia
On Friday, February 24, 2012 07:28:33 PM Martin Gräßlin wrote: User asking on distro/KDE mailinglist/forum/IRC because xyz does not work. 1. he gets an answer 1.1 known bug 1.2 me too - the user might open a bug report 1.3 it works like this… 2. he does not get an answer

Re: Re: bugzilla situation

2012-02-24 Thread Martin Gräßlin
On Friday 24 February 2012 20:31:46 Andras Mantia wrote: On Friday, February 24, 2012 06:51:11 PM Martin Gräßlin wrote: - first level support issues are not opened on the bug tracker but in a user support management system - e.g. forums.kde.org. Only if the supporters figure out that

First line support outside of bugs.kde.org (cf. Bugzilla discussion)

2012-02-24 Thread Luca Beltrame
(please CC me, I'm not subscribed to k-c-d) Hello everyone, given the discussion going on with how to handle bug reports, I've seen a few mentions of first line support that would help reduce the number of improper bugs filed in bugs.kde.org. Well... the good news is that such a thing already

Re: Binary compatiblity for liboxygenstyle.so

2012-02-24 Thread Andras Mantia
On Friday, February 24, 2012 05:48:36 PM Sune Vuorela wrote: On 2012-02-24, Hugo Pereira Da Costa h...@oxygen-icons.org wrote: I understand that. The point I was trying to make, is that you would still get the old pluggin, admittingly without crashing, but which would nonetheless be not

Review Request: Always request small icons for Konqueror's status bar.

2012-02-24 Thread Dawit Alemayehu
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