Re: Requested Moratorium on hard to build dependency bumps for KDE 5

2011-06-08 Thread Sebastian Trüg
On 06/07/2011 01:41 PM, Thiago Macieira wrote: On Tuesday, 7 de June de 2011 10:14:43 Alexander Neundorf wrote: On Tuesday, June 07, 2011 08:21:02 AM Sebastian Trüg wrote: Just as a side-note on SDO: For me SDO is very close to the KDE development process. If I had my way everyone running KDE

Re: Requested Moratorium on hard to build dependency bumps for KDE 5

2011-06-07 Thread Sebastian Trüg
Just as a side-note on SDO: For me SDO is very close to the KDE development process. If I had my way everyone running KDE master would also use SDO master. But for some reason that would only be acceptable if SDO were in KDE's git... On 06/06/2011 06:53 PM, Thiago Macieira wrote: On Monday, 6 de

Re: Requested Moratorium on hard to build dependency bumps for KDE 5

2011-06-07 Thread Sebastian Trüg
On 06/06/2011 10:51 PM, Ben Cooksley wrote: On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 8:42 AM, Martin Gräßlin mgraess...@kde.org wrote: On Tuesday 07 June 2011 08:29:51 Ben Cooksley wrote: Next KWin. It currently depends upon Mesa 7.10. I have a local revert in a private local branch which reverts the dependency

Re: Requested Moratorium on hard to build dependency bumps for KDE 5

2011-06-07 Thread Boudewijn Rempt
On Tuesday 07 June 2011 Jun, Sebastian Trüg wrote: Restricting ourselves to old versions (and as a developer anything released is old for me) means to restrict the power we have and undermines our very development model. In my opinion, almost always needing the development version of e.g. GTK

Re: Requested Moratorium on hard to build dependency bumps for KDE 5

2011-06-07 Thread Tom Albers
- Original Message - IMHO it is out of the question to ask a developer to not implement a great new feature just because the dependancies are too young. I disagree completely. I would very much welcome a policy that states that you can only depend on stuff that is available in the

Re: Requested Moratorium on hard to build dependency bumps for KDE 5

2011-06-07 Thread Thiago Macieira
On Tuesday, 7 de June de 2011 07:53:28 Tom Albers wrote: - Original Message - IMHO it is out of the question to ask a developer to not implement a great new feature just because the dependancies are too young. I disagree completely. I would very much welcome a policy that states

Re: Requested Moratorium on hard to build dependency bumps for KDE 5

2011-06-07 Thread Alexander Neundorf
On Tuesday, June 07, 2011 09:32:09 AM Boudewijn Rempt wrote: On Tuesday 07 June 2011 Jun, Sebastian Trüg wrote: Restricting ourselves to old versions (and as a developer anything released is old for me) means to restrict the power we have and undermines our very development model. In my

Re: Requested Moratorium on hard to build dependency bumps for KDE 5

2011-06-07 Thread Thiago Macieira
On Tuesday, 7 de June de 2011 10:14:43 Alexander Neundorf wrote: On Tuesday, June 07, 2011 08:21:02 AM Sebastian Trüg wrote: Just as a side-note on SDO: For me SDO is very close to the KDE development process. If I had my way everyone running KDE master would also use SDO master. But for

Requested Moratorium on hard to build dependency bumps for KDE 5

2011-06-06 Thread Ben Cooksley
Hi all, I am requesting that a moratorium on dependency bumps for dependencies which are hard to build be enacted. This would affect system wide components which rely on root access and are heavily integrated into the system. This would not affect things such as UPower or the like - which aren't

Re: Requested Moratorium on hard to build dependency bumps for KDE 5

2011-06-06 Thread Martin Gräßlin
On Monday 06 June 2011 23:05:52 Ben Cooksley wrote: Hi all, I am requesting that a moratorium on dependency bumps for dependencies which are hard to build be enacted. This would affect system wide components which rely on root access and are heavily integrated into the system. This would

Re: Requested Moratorium on hard to build dependency bumps for KDE 5

2011-06-06 Thread Thiago Macieira
On Monday, 6 de June de 2011 17:48:41 Martin Gräßlin wrote: Personal opinion: I think it is impossible to want to run the latest software around an old stack. The overall FOSS world is rolling release with everything depending on everything. I cannot see why you want to change that with a

Re: Requested Moratorium on hard to build dependency bumps for KDE 5

2011-06-06 Thread Aaron J. Seigo
On Tuesday, June 7, 2011 06:19:52 Ben Cooksley wrote: The Moratorium would extend to all components of the KDE SC distribution. Hence kde-core-devel. imho this is impossible, for the reasons Martin noted. The components affected by the Moratorium - namely the Kernel, X and ALSA interfaces

Re: Requested Moratorium on hard to build dependency bumps for KDE 5

2011-06-06 Thread Ben Cooksley
On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 8:06 AM, Aaron J. Seigo ase...@kde.org wrote: On Tuesday, June 7, 2011 06:19:52 Ben Cooksley wrote: The Moratorium would extend to all components of the KDE SC distribution. Hence kde-core-devel. imho this is impossible, for the reasons Martin noted. The components

Re: Re: Requested Moratorium on hard to build dependency bumps for KDE 5

2011-06-06 Thread Ben Cooksley
On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 8:42 AM, Martin Gräßlin mgraess...@kde.org wrote: On Tuesday 07 June 2011 08:29:51 Ben Cooksley wrote: Next KWin. It currently depends upon Mesa 7.10. I have a local revert in a private local branch which reverts the dependency check code within KWin to continue to allow

Re: Requested Moratorium on hard to build dependency bumps for KDE 5

2011-06-06 Thread Alexander Neundorf
On Monday, June 06, 2011 05:48:41 PM Martin Gräßlin wrote: ... Personal opinion: I think it is impossible to want to run the latest software around an old stack. The overall FOSS world is rolling release with everything depending on everything. You cannot say it like that. It depends always on

Re: Re: Requested Moratorium on hard to build dependency bumps for KDE 5

2011-06-06 Thread Maksim Orlovich
Please also note that I will add a runtime requirement to Mesa 7.11 as I have here on my system the start of the Wayland port which will be in 4.8 and requires Mesa 7.11. Why would wayland support have any effect on runtime dependency on X11?

Re: Requested Moratorium on hard to build dependency bumps for KDE 5

2011-06-06 Thread Thomas Lübking
Am Mon, 6 Jun 2011 17:08:24 -0400 schrieb Maksim Orlovich m...@cornell.edu: Why would wayland support have any effect on runtime dependency on X11? http://groups.google.com/group/wayland-display-server/web/building-and-running-wayland Building mesa Wayland uses the mesa EGL stack, and all

Re: Requested Moratorium on hard to build dependency bumps for KDE 5

2011-06-06 Thread Thomas Lübking
Am Tue, 7 Jun 2011 08:51:26 +1200 schrieb Ben Cooksley bcooks...@kde.org: You are effectively classifying a distribution No, distribution version vanilla - iff at all. (You still can develop on master, even run kwin - just not use OpenGL composited kwin from master then - that's not quite the

Re: Requested Moratorium on hard to build dependency bumps for KDE 5

2011-06-06 Thread Thomas Lübking
Am Mon, 6 Jun 2011 18:33:28 -0400 schrieb Maksim Orlovich m...@cornell.edu: Sorry, my wording was poor: Might have been my reading as well. Your original question could have perfectly been read like the clarified one. OK, wayland needs recent Mesa at runtime, but I am not running Wayland; so

Re: Requested Moratorium on hard to build dependency bumps for KDE 5

2011-06-06 Thread Ben Cooksley
On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 5:12 PM, Martin Gräßlin mgraess...@kde.org wrote: - Ursprüngliche Mitteilung - On 6/6/11, Thomas Lübking thomas.luebk...@gmail.com wrote: Am Mon, 6 Jun 2011 17:08:24 -0400 schrieb Maksim Orlovich m...@cornell.edu: Why would wayland support have any effect