Re: Requested Moratorium on hard to build dependency bumps for KDE 5

2011-06-06 Thread Sebastian Trüg
On 06/06/2011 10:51 PM, Ben Cooksley wrote: > On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 8:42 AM, Martin Gräßlin wrote: >> On Tuesday 07 June 2011 08:29:51 Ben Cooksley wrote: >>> Next KWin. It currently depends upon Mesa 7.10. I have a local revert >>> in a private local branch which reverts the dependency check cod

Re: Intended organization of KDE Frameworks

2011-06-06 Thread Inge Wallin
On Tuesday, June 07, 2011 00:04:41 Kevin Ottens wrote: > ... Very good start, although I can sympathize with the pains of the translators. Were there any translators at the sprint? > Throughout this example we will refer to the following graph: > http://files.kde.org/ervin/platform11/kde-framew

Re: Requested Moratorium on hard to build dependency bumps for KDE 5

2011-06-06 Thread Sebastian Trüg
Just as a side-note on SDO: For me SDO is very close to the KDE development process. If I had my way everyone running KDE master would also use SDO master. But for some reason that would only be acceptable if SDO were in KDE's git... On 06/06/2011 06:53 PM, Thiago Macieira wrote: > On Monday, 6 de

Re: Requested Moratorium on hard to build dependency bumps for KDE 5

2011-06-06 Thread Martin Gräßlin
On Tue, 7 Jun 2011 17:51:32 +1200, Ben Cooksley wrote: It should not affect the runtime requirements for X11, but if Mesa 7.11 gets released before our 4.8 dependency freeze, we have to depend on it. Can you please clarify what you mean by we *have* to depend on it? Does this mean which of th

Re: Requested Moratorium on hard to build dependency bumps for KDE 5

2011-06-06 Thread Ben Cooksley
On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 5:12 PM, Martin Gräßlin wrote: > > - Ursprüngliche Mitteilung - >> On 6/6/11, Thomas Lübking wrote: >> > Am Mon, 6 Jun 2011 17:08:24 -0400 >> > schrieb Maksim Orlovich : >> > >> > > Why would wayland support have any effect on runtime dependency on >> > > X11? >> >

Re: Review Request: Fix possible memory and D-Bus connection leak in KStatusNotifierItem

2011-06-06 Thread Dawit Alemayehu
> On June 6, 2011, 8:38 p.m., Aaron J. Seigo wrote: > > i doubt this fix is correct. what looks more like is > > KStatusNotifierItemDBus::~KStatusNotifierItemDBus(). right now this is the > > implementation: > > > > m_dbus.unregisterService(m_service); > > > > and perhaps it should include: >

Re: Review Request: KMainWindow::parseGeometry() fails to position with positive coordinates

2011-06-06 Thread Urban Widmark
> On June 6, 2011, 2:04 a.m., David Faure wrote: > > Looks good overall, but I think I found a bug with negative coordinates: > > konqueror --geometry +500-100 > > gives me a window that xwininfo says is at "744x533+500-29", which doesn't > > match. > > > > I have no experience with this, but i

Re: Releases of the thing that was KDE

2011-06-06 Thread Scott Kitterman
John Layt wrote: >On 6 June 2011 23:36, Scott Kitterman wrote: >> >> I get we need to modularize for a number of important reasons, but I >don't >> see >> the companion story for how this all gets released as something >coherent >> and >> functional. >> >> Where's that part of the story? >> >>

Releases of the thing that was KDE

2011-06-06 Thread Scott Kitterman
New thread as requested. I've been told on IRC that we will still have an integrated release of what used to be KDE (I've no clue what to call it now since I think I read KDE SC was deprecated). All I see in the messaging from the platform sprint seems to be about further deconstruction and de

Modularization and other languages' bindings (was: The Future of our Frameworks)

2011-06-06 Thread Luca Beltrame
In data Monday 06 June 2011 19:26:38, Sebastian Kügler ha scritto: (I took the liberty of adding kde-bindings to the CC of tihs specific topic) > We want to make it possible to use our frameworks in Qt projects without > significant additional dependencies. This means: Reading around the plans a

Review Request: Fix meta+shift+tab and similar global shortcuts.

2011-06-06 Thread Simon Persson
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Review Request: Fix global shortcuts that needs shift key, like for example ctrl+% (ctrl+shift+5 on many keyboards)

2011-06-06 Thread Simon Persson
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Review Request: Export the function isShiftAsModifierAllowed() from KKeySequenceWidget

2011-06-06 Thread Simon Persson
--- This is an automatically generated e-mail. To reply, visit: http://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/101515/ --- Review request for kdelibs and Michael Jansen. Summary --- First of t

Re: Requested Moratorium on hard to build dependency bumps for KDE 5

2011-06-06 Thread Martin Gräßlin
- Ursprüngliche Mitteilung - > On 6/6/11, Thomas Lübking wrote: > > Am Mon, 6 Jun 2011 17:08:24 -0400 > > schrieb Maksim Orlovich : > > > > > Why would wayland support have any effect on runtime dependency on > > > X11? > > > > http://groups.google.com/group/wayland-display-server/web/b

Re: Review Request: Fix possible memory and D-Bus connection leak in KStatusNotifierItem

2011-06-06 Thread Shaun Reich
> On June 6, 2011, 8:38 p.m., Aaron J. Seigo wrote: > > i doubt this fix is correct. what looks more like is > > KStatusNotifierItemDBus::~KStatusNotifierItemDBus(). right now this is the > > implementation: > > > > m_dbus.unregisterService(m_service); > > > > and perhaps it should include: >

Re: Releases of the thing that was KDE

2011-06-06 Thread Nicolas Alvarez
Scott Kitterman wrote: > New thread as requested. > > I've been told on IRC that we will still have an integrated release of > what used to be KDE (I've no clue what to call it now since I think I read > KDE SC was deprecated). > > All I see in the messaging from the platform sprint seems to be a

Re: Rules to be approved as part of KDE Frameworks

2011-06-06 Thread Aaron J. Seigo
On Monday, June 6, 2011 19:41:15 Maksim Orlovich wrote: > > * all new features will be developed using the recommended git > > workflow > > > > (pending publication; Cornelius is working on that one); > > > > Those rules might seem like a strong departure from what we're used to. > > On the oth

Re: Releases of the thing that was KDE

2011-06-06 Thread Aaron J. Seigo
On Monday, June 6, 2011 19:09:44 Scott Kitterman wrote: > Fair enough. It might be helpful if someone who knows what topics are yet to > come would provide a list. there has been one email by Sebas, and two by Kevin. there is one more that David Faure is about to send about the plan for the fram

Plan to transition to KDE Frameworks

2011-06-06 Thread David Faure
Hi everyone, It's getting rather late here, so I'll skip introductions and get right to the point :-) Until 4.7 is branched, we keep fixing bugs in kdelibs 4, and work on trying to get the things into Qt 5 that we need -- about 20 KDE-related people will be going to the Qt Contributor Summit, t

Re: Rules to be approved as part of KDE Frameworks

2011-06-06 Thread Maksim Orlovich
> * all new features will be developed using the recommended git workflow > (pending publication; Cornelius is working on that one); > Those rules might seem like a strong departure from what we're used to. On > the other hand, if you look at them closely, they are merely making explicit > change

Re: Intended organization of KDE Frameworks

2011-06-06 Thread Kevin Ottens
On Tuesday 7 June 2011 01:26:17 Albert Astals Cid wrote: > A Tuesday, June 07, 2011, Kevin Ottens va escriure: > > Well, obviously a Tier 1 framework would have to use tr() instead of > > i18n() for its translation needs. > > Are we still going to use .po or you plan on us moving to Qt translation

Re: Intended organization of KDE Frameworks

2011-06-06 Thread Albert Astals Cid
A Tuesday, June 07, 2011, Kevin Ottens va escriure: > On Tuesday 7 June 2011 00:17:23 Albert Astals Cid wrote: > > A Monday, June 06, 2011, Kevin Ottens va escriure: > > > Hello lists, > > > > > > Throughout this example we will refer to the following graph: > > > http://files.kde.org/ervin/platfo

Re: Intended organization of KDE Frameworks

2011-06-06 Thread Kevin Ottens
On Tuesday 7 June 2011 00:17:23 Albert Astals Cid wrote: > A Monday, June 06, 2011, Kevin Ottens va escriure: > > Hello lists, > > > > Throughout this example we will refer to the following graph: > > http://files.kde.org/ervin/platform11/kde-frameworks-dependencies-plan.pd > > f > > Shall i read

Rules to be approved as part of KDE Frameworks

2011-06-06 Thread Kevin Ottens
Hello lists, As, Sebas pointed out we've been meeting here to work on plans to improve our frameworks offering leading to the decision of leaving the current "kdelibs model" behind and prepare for a more modular suite named KDE Frameworks. If you didn't read his email yet, please do so before

Re: Releases of the thing that was KDE

2011-06-06 Thread John Layt
On 6 June 2011 23:36, Scott Kitterman wrote: > > I get we need to modularize for a number of important reasons, but I don't > see > the companion story for how this all gets released as something coherent > and > functional. > > Where's that part of the story? > > Scott K > >From Sebas' email: W

Re: Releases of the thing that was KDE

2011-06-06 Thread Brad Hards
On Tue, 7 Jun 2011 08:36:52 AM Scott Kitterman wrote: > The results on the platform sprint read like more chaos is coming. > > I get we need to modularize for a number of important reasons, but I don't > see the companion story for how this all gets released as something > coherent and functional.

Re: Requested Moratorium on hard to build dependency bumps for KDE 5

2011-06-06 Thread Thomas Lübking
Am Mon, 6 Jun 2011 18:33:28 -0400 schrieb Maksim Orlovich : > Sorry, my wording was poor: Might have been my reading as well. Your original question could have perfectly been read like the clarified one. > OK, wayland needs recent Mesa at runtime, > but I am not running Wayland; so why would I ne

Re: Requested Moratorium on hard to build dependency bumps for KDE 5

2011-06-06 Thread Maksim Orlovich
On 6/6/11, Thomas Lübking wrote: > Am Mon, 6 Jun 2011 17:08:24 -0400 > schrieb Maksim Orlovich : > >> Why would wayland support have any effect on runtime dependency on >> X11? > > http://groups.google.com/group/wayland-display-server/web/building-and-running-wayland > Building mesa > > Wayland us

Re: Requested Moratorium on hard to build dependency bumps for KDE 5

2011-06-06 Thread Thomas Lübking
Am Tue, 7 Jun 2011 08:51:26 +1200 schrieb Ben Cooksley : > You are effectively classifying a distribution No, "distribution version vanilla" - iff at all. (You still can develop on master, even run kwin - just not use OpenGL composited kwin from master then - that's not quite the same) Aside this

Re: Intended organization of KDE Frameworks

2011-06-06 Thread Albert Astals Cid
A Monday, June 06, 2011, Kevin Ottens va escriure: > Hello lists, > > Throughout this example we will refer to the following graph: > http://files.kde.org/ervin/platform11/kde-frameworks-dependencies-plan.pdf Shall i read from this graph that we will not be providing translation support for s

Intended organization of KDE Frameworks

2011-06-06 Thread Kevin Ottens
Hello lists, As, Sebas pointed out we've been meeting here to work on plans to improve our frameworks offering leading to the decision of leaving the current "kdelibs model" behind and prepare for a more modular suite named KDE Frameworks. If you didn't read his email yet, please do so before

Re: Requested Moratorium on hard to build dependency bumps for KDE 5

2011-06-06 Thread Thomas Lübking
Am Mon, 6 Jun 2011 17:08:24 -0400 schrieb Maksim Orlovich : > Why would wayland support have any effect on runtime dependency on > X11? http://groups.google.com/group/wayland-display-server/web/building-and-running-wayland Building mesa Wayland uses the mesa EGL stack, and all extensions require

Re: Re: Requested Moratorium on hard to build dependency bumps for KDE 5

2011-06-06 Thread Maksim Orlovich
> Please also note that I will add a runtime requirement to Mesa 7.11 as I > have here on my system > the start of the Wayland port which will be in 4.8 and requires Mesa 7.11. Why would wayland support have any effect on runtime dependency on X11?

Re: [Kde-bindings] Re: Modularization and other languages' bindings (was: The Future of our Frameworks)

2011-06-06 Thread Richard Dale
On Monday, June 06, 2011 09:41:43 PM Richard Dale wrote: > I started another QtScript bindings project called 'JSmoke' which is > currently stalled because of technical problems with QtScript which got > even worse moving from Qt 4.5 to 4.6. That did cover both the Qt and KDE > apis, and I really s

Re: Requested Moratorium on hard to build dependency bumps for KDE 5

2011-06-06 Thread Alexander Neundorf
On Monday, June 06, 2011 05:48:41 PM Martin Gräßlin wrote: ... > Personal opinion: I think it is impossible to want to run the latest > software around an old stack. The overall FOSS world is rolling release > with everything depending on everything. You cannot say it like that. It depends always

Re: Re: Requested Moratorium on hard to build dependency bumps for KDE 5

2011-06-06 Thread Ben Cooksley
On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 8:42 AM, Martin Gräßlin wrote: > On Tuesday 07 June 2011 08:29:51 Ben Cooksley wrote: >> Next KWin. It currently depends upon Mesa 7.10. I have a local revert >> in a private local branch which reverts the dependency check code >> within KWin to continue to allow me to use c

Re: [Kde-bindings] Modularization and other languages' bindings (was: The Future of our Frameworks)

2011-06-06 Thread Richard Dale
On Monday, June 06, 2011 08:05:41 PM Luca Beltrame wrote: > In data Monday 06 June 2011 19:26:38, Sebastian Kügler ha scritto: > > (I took the liberty of adding kde-bindings to the CC of tihs specific > topic) > > > We want to make it possible to use our frameworks in Qt projects without > > > s

Re: Re: Requested Moratorium on hard to build dependency bumps for KDE 5

2011-06-06 Thread Martin Gräßlin
On Tuesday 07 June 2011 08:29:51 Ben Cooksley wrote: > Next KWin. It currently depends upon Mesa 7.10. I have a local revert > in a private local branch which reverts the dependency check code > within KWin to continue to allow me to use compositing. Even though I > have Mesa 7.8, I rarely experien

Re: Review Request: Fix possible memory and D-Bus connection leak in KStatusNotifierItem

2011-06-06 Thread Aaron J. Seigo
--- This is an automatically generated e-mail. To reply, visit: http://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/101527/#review3726 --- i doubt this fix is correct. what looks more like is KStatusNot

Re: Requested Moratorium on hard to build dependency bumps for KDE 5

2011-06-06 Thread Ben Cooksley
On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 8:06 AM, Aaron J. Seigo wrote: > On Tuesday, June 7, 2011 06:19:52 Ben Cooksley wrote: >> The Moratorium would extend to all components of the KDE SC >> distribution. Hence kde-core-devel. > > imho this is impossible, for the reasons Martin noted. > >> The components affecte

Re: Requested Moratorium on hard to build dependency bumps for KDE 5

2011-06-06 Thread Aaron J. Seigo
On Tuesday, June 7, 2011 06:19:52 Ben Cooksley wrote: > The Moratorium would extend to all components of the KDE SC > distribution. Hence kde-core-devel. imho this is impossible, for the reasons Martin noted. > The components affected by the Moratorium - namely the Kernel, X and > ALSA interfaces

Re: Re: Requested Moratorium on hard to build dependency bumps for KDE 5

2011-06-06 Thread Martin Gräßlin
On Tuesday 07 June 2011 06:19:52 Ben Cooksley wrote: > On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 3:48 AM, Martin Gräßlin wrote: > > On Monday 06 June 2011 23:05:52 Ben Cooksley wrote: > >> Hi all, > >> > >> I am requesting that a moratorium on dependency bumps for dependencies > >> which are "hard to build" be enact

Re: Requested Moratorium on hard to build dependency bumps for KDE 5

2011-06-06 Thread Ben Cooksley
On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 3:48 AM, Martin Gräßlin wrote: > On Monday 06 June 2011 23:05:52 Ben Cooksley wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> I am requesting that a moratorium on dependency bumps for dependencies >> which are "hard to build" be enacted. This would affect system wide >> components which rely on roo

Re: Creating a public pixmap overlays method based on icon overlays?

2011-06-06 Thread David Faure
On Thursday 02 June 2011, Matthias Fuchs wrote: > Hi, > > I was looking at BUG:190579 [1] and realised that there is a general > problem in KDE that does not only apply to folders: > As soon as you have preview enabled you won't get any more icon overlays > for images, no matter if you look at ima

The Future of our Frameworks

2011-06-06 Thread Sebastian Kügler
Hi all, You've probably been aware that a rather sizable group of KDE developers and stakeholders in our development platform is meeting in Randa, Switzerland to discuss the future of our development frameworks, with the big topic being "modularization of kdelibs". We've had a number of great d

Re: Requested Moratorium on hard to build dependency bumps for KDE 5

2011-06-06 Thread Thiago Macieira
On Monday, 6 de June de 2011 17:48:41 Martin Gräßlin wrote: > Personal opinion: I think it is impossible to want to run the latest > software around an old stack. The overall FOSS world is rolling release > with everything depending on everything. I cannot see why you want to > change that with a

Re: Requested Moratorium on hard to build dependency bumps for KDE 5

2011-06-06 Thread Martin Gräßlin
On Monday 06 June 2011 23:05:52 Ben Cooksley wrote: > Hi all, > > I am requesting that a moratorium on dependency bumps for dependencies > which are "hard to build" be enacted. This would affect system wide > components which rely on root access and are heavily integrated into > the system. This w

Review Request: Fix possible memory and D-Bus connection leak in KStatusNotifierItem

2011-06-06 Thread Christoph Feck
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Re: Review Request: Fix GUI thread blocking caused by KFilePreviewGenerator when disabling preview

2011-06-06 Thread Commit Hook
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Re: Requested Moratorium on hard to build dependency bumps for KDE Frameworks

2011-06-06 Thread Kevin Ottens
On Monday 6 June 2011 13:05:52 Ben Cooksley wrote: > Over the past few months it has become increasingly hard to use a > distribution which isn't even 1 year old to build KDE trunk. Custom > patches, disabled features and compilation failures are fairly common, > and represent an extreme barrier to

Requested Moratorium on hard to build dependency bumps for KDE 5

2011-06-06 Thread Ben Cooksley
Hi all, I am requesting that a moratorium on dependency bumps for dependencies which are "hard to build" be enacted. This would affect system wide components which rely on root access and are heavily integrated into the system. This would not affect things such as UPower or the like - which aren't

Re: Review Request: Rebuild fake locale as soon as possible

2011-06-06 Thread Commit Hook
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Re: Review Request: Rebuild fake locale as soon as possible

2011-06-06 Thread Commit Hook
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