On 06/06/2011 10:51 PM, Ben Cooksley wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 8:42 AM, Martin Gräßlin wrote:
>> On Tuesday 07 June 2011 08:29:51 Ben Cooksley wrote:
>>> Next KWin. It currently depends upon Mesa 7.10. I have a local revert
>>> in a private local branch which reverts the dependency check cod
On Tuesday, June 07, 2011 00:04:41 Kevin Ottens wrote:
> ...
Very good start, although I can sympathize with the pains of the translators.
Were there any translators at the sprint?
> Throughout this example we will refer to the following graph:
> http://files.kde.org/ervin/platform11/kde-framew
Just as a side-note on SDO: For me SDO is very close to the KDE
development process. If I had my way everyone running KDE master would
also use SDO master. But for some reason that would only be acceptable
if SDO were in KDE's git...
On 06/06/2011 06:53 PM, Thiago Macieira wrote:
> On Monday, 6 de
On Tue, 7 Jun 2011 17:51:32 +1200, Ben Cooksley
wrote:
It should not affect the runtime requirements for X11, but if Mesa
7.11 gets released before our 4.8 dependency freeze, we have to depend
on it.
Can you please clarify what you mean by we *have* to depend on it?
Does this mean which of th
On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 5:12 PM, Martin Gräßlin wrote:
>
> - Ursprüngliche Mitteilung -
>> On 6/6/11, Thomas Lübking wrote:
>> > Am Mon, 6 Jun 2011 17:08:24 -0400
>> > schrieb Maksim Orlovich :
>> >
>> > > Why would wayland support have any effect on runtime dependency on
>> > > X11?
>> >
> On June 6, 2011, 8:38 p.m., Aaron J. Seigo wrote:
> > i doubt this fix is correct. what looks more like is
> > KStatusNotifierItemDBus::~KStatusNotifierItemDBus(). right now this is the
> > implementation:
> >
> > m_dbus.unregisterService(m_service);
> >
> > and perhaps it should include:
>
> On June 6, 2011, 2:04 a.m., David Faure wrote:
> > Looks good overall, but I think I found a bug with negative coordinates:
> > konqueror --geometry +500-100
> > gives me a window that xwininfo says is at "744x533+500-29", which doesn't
> > match.
> >
> > I have no experience with this, but i
John Layt wrote:
>On 6 June 2011 23:36, Scott Kitterman wrote:
>>
>> I get we need to modularize for a number of important reasons, but I
>don't
>> see
>> the companion story for how this all gets released as something
>coherent
>> and
>> functional.
>>
>> Where's that part of the story?
>>
>>
New thread as requested.
I've been told on IRC that we will still have an integrated release of what
used to be KDE (I've no clue what to call it now since I think I read KDE SC
was deprecated).
All I see in the messaging from the platform sprint seems to be about further
deconstruction and de
In data Monday 06 June 2011 19:26:38, Sebastian Kügler ha scritto:
(I took the liberty of adding kde-bindings to the CC of tihs specific topic)
> We want to make it possible to use our frameworks in Qt projects without
> significant additional dependencies. This means:
Reading around the plans a
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- Ursprüngliche Mitteilung -
> On 6/6/11, Thomas Lübking wrote:
> > Am Mon, 6 Jun 2011 17:08:24 -0400
> > schrieb Maksim Orlovich :
> >
> > > Why would wayland support have any effect on runtime dependency on
> > > X11?
> >
> > http://groups.google.com/group/wayland-display-server/web/b
> On June 6, 2011, 8:38 p.m., Aaron J. Seigo wrote:
> > i doubt this fix is correct. what looks more like is
> > KStatusNotifierItemDBus::~KStatusNotifierItemDBus(). right now this is the
> > implementation:
> >
> > m_dbus.unregisterService(m_service);
> >
> > and perhaps it should include:
>
Scott Kitterman wrote:
> New thread as requested.
>
> I've been told on IRC that we will still have an integrated release of
> what used to be KDE (I've no clue what to call it now since I think I read
> KDE SC was deprecated).
>
> All I see in the messaging from the platform sprint seems to be a
On Monday, June 6, 2011 19:41:15 Maksim Orlovich wrote:
> > * all new features will be developed using the recommended git
> > workflow
> >
> > (pending publication; Cornelius is working on that one);
> >
> > Those rules might seem like a strong departure from what we're used to.
> > On the oth
On Monday, June 6, 2011 19:09:44 Scott Kitterman wrote:
> Fair enough. It might be helpful if someone who knows what topics are yet to
> come would provide a list.
there has been one email by Sebas, and two by Kevin.
there is one more that David Faure is about to send about the plan for the
fram
Hi everyone,
It's getting rather late here, so I'll skip introductions and get right to the
point :-)
Until 4.7 is branched, we keep fixing bugs in kdelibs 4, and work on trying to
get the things into Qt 5 that we need -- about 20 KDE-related people will be
going to the Qt Contributor Summit, t
> * all new features will be developed using the recommended git workflow
> (pending publication; Cornelius is working on that one);
> Those rules might seem like a strong departure from what we're used to. On
> the other hand, if you look at them closely, they are merely making explicit
> change
On Tuesday 7 June 2011 01:26:17 Albert Astals Cid wrote:
> A Tuesday, June 07, 2011, Kevin Ottens va escriure:
> > Well, obviously a Tier 1 framework would have to use tr() instead of
> > i18n() for its translation needs.
>
> Are we still going to use .po or you plan on us moving to Qt translation
A Tuesday, June 07, 2011, Kevin Ottens va escriure:
> On Tuesday 7 June 2011 00:17:23 Albert Astals Cid wrote:
> > A Monday, June 06, 2011, Kevin Ottens va escriure:
> > > Hello lists,
> > >
> > > Throughout this example we will refer to the following graph:
> > > http://files.kde.org/ervin/platfo
On Tuesday 7 June 2011 00:17:23 Albert Astals Cid wrote:
> A Monday, June 06, 2011, Kevin Ottens va escriure:
> > Hello lists,
> >
> > Throughout this example we will refer to the following graph:
> > http://files.kde.org/ervin/platform11/kde-frameworks-dependencies-plan.pd
> > f
>
> Shall i read
Hello lists,
As, Sebas pointed out we've been meeting here to work on plans to improve our
frameworks offering leading to the decision of leaving the current "kdelibs
model" behind and prepare for a more modular suite named KDE Frameworks. If
you didn't read his email yet, please do so before
On 6 June 2011 23:36, Scott Kitterman wrote:
>
> I get we need to modularize for a number of important reasons, but I don't
> see
> the companion story for how this all gets released as something coherent
> and
> functional.
>
> Where's that part of the story?
>
> Scott K
>
>From Sebas' email:
W
On Tue, 7 Jun 2011 08:36:52 AM Scott Kitterman wrote:
> The results on the platform sprint read like more chaos is coming.
>
> I get we need to modularize for a number of important reasons, but I don't
> see the companion story for how this all gets released as something
> coherent and functional.
Am Mon, 6 Jun 2011 18:33:28 -0400
schrieb Maksim Orlovich :
> Sorry, my wording was poor:
Might have been my reading as well. Your original question could have
perfectly been read like the clarified one.
> OK, wayland needs recent Mesa at runtime,
> but I am not running Wayland; so why would I ne
On 6/6/11, Thomas Lübking wrote:
> Am Mon, 6 Jun 2011 17:08:24 -0400
> schrieb Maksim Orlovich :
>
>> Why would wayland support have any effect on runtime dependency on
>> X11?
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/wayland-display-server/web/building-and-running-wayland
> Building mesa
>
> Wayland us
Am Tue, 7 Jun 2011 08:51:26 +1200
schrieb Ben Cooksley :
> You are effectively classifying a distribution
No, "distribution version vanilla" - iff at all.
(You still can develop on master, even run kwin - just not use OpenGL
composited kwin from master then - that's not quite the same)
Aside this
A Monday, June 06, 2011, Kevin Ottens va escriure:
> Hello lists,
>
> Throughout this example we will refer to the following graph:
> http://files.kde.org/ervin/platform11/kde-frameworks-dependencies-plan.pdf
Shall i read from this graph that we will not be providing translation support
for s
Hello lists,
As, Sebas pointed out we've been meeting here to work on plans to improve our
frameworks offering leading to the decision of leaving the current "kdelibs
model" behind and prepare for a more modular suite named KDE Frameworks. If
you didn't read his email yet, please do so before
Am Mon, 6 Jun 2011 17:08:24 -0400
schrieb Maksim Orlovich :
> Why would wayland support have any effect on runtime dependency on
> X11?
http://groups.google.com/group/wayland-display-server/web/building-and-running-wayland
Building mesa
Wayland uses the mesa EGL stack, and all extensions require
> Please also note that I will add a runtime requirement to Mesa 7.11 as I
> have here on my system
> the start of the Wayland port which will be in 4.8 and requires Mesa 7.11.
Why would wayland support have any effect on runtime dependency on X11?
On Monday, June 06, 2011 09:41:43 PM Richard Dale wrote:
> I started another QtScript bindings project called 'JSmoke' which is
> currently stalled because of technical problems with QtScript which got
> even worse moving from Qt 4.5 to 4.6. That did cover both the Qt and KDE
> apis, and I really s
On Monday, June 06, 2011 05:48:41 PM Martin Gräßlin wrote:
...
> Personal opinion: I think it is impossible to want to run the latest
> software around an old stack. The overall FOSS world is rolling release
> with everything depending on everything.
You cannot say it like that.
It depends always
On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 8:42 AM, Martin Gräßlin wrote:
> On Tuesday 07 June 2011 08:29:51 Ben Cooksley wrote:
>> Next KWin. It currently depends upon Mesa 7.10. I have a local revert
>> in a private local branch which reverts the dependency check code
>> within KWin to continue to allow me to use c
On Monday, June 06, 2011 08:05:41 PM Luca Beltrame wrote:
> In data Monday 06 June 2011 19:26:38, Sebastian Kügler ha scritto:
>
> (I took the liberty of adding kde-bindings to the CC of tihs specific
> topic)
>
> > We want to make it possible to use our frameworks in Qt projects without
>
> > s
On Tuesday 07 June 2011 08:29:51 Ben Cooksley wrote:
> Next KWin. It currently depends upon Mesa 7.10. I have a local revert
> in a private local branch which reverts the dependency check code
> within KWin to continue to allow me to use compositing. Even though I
> have Mesa 7.8, I rarely experien
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i doubt this fix is correct. what looks more like is
KStatusNot
On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 8:06 AM, Aaron J. Seigo wrote:
> On Tuesday, June 7, 2011 06:19:52 Ben Cooksley wrote:
>> The Moratorium would extend to all components of the KDE SC
>> distribution. Hence kde-core-devel.
>
> imho this is impossible, for the reasons Martin noted.
>
>> The components affecte
On Tuesday, June 7, 2011 06:19:52 Ben Cooksley wrote:
> The Moratorium would extend to all components of the KDE SC
> distribution. Hence kde-core-devel.
imho this is impossible, for the reasons Martin noted.
> The components affected by the Moratorium - namely the Kernel, X and
> ALSA interfaces
On Tuesday 07 June 2011 06:19:52 Ben Cooksley wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 3:48 AM, Martin Gräßlin wrote:
> > On Monday 06 June 2011 23:05:52 Ben Cooksley wrote:
> >> Hi all,
> >>
> >> I am requesting that a moratorium on dependency bumps for dependencies
> >> which are "hard to build" be enact
On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 3:48 AM, Martin Gräßlin wrote:
> On Monday 06 June 2011 23:05:52 Ben Cooksley wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I am requesting that a moratorium on dependency bumps for dependencies
>> which are "hard to build" be enacted. This would affect system wide
>> components which rely on roo
On Thursday 02 June 2011, Matthias Fuchs wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I was looking at BUG:190579 [1] and realised that there is a general
> problem in KDE that does not only apply to folders:
> As soon as you have preview enabled you won't get any more icon overlays
> for images, no matter if you look at ima
Hi all,
You've probably been aware that a rather sizable group of KDE developers and
stakeholders in our development platform is meeting in Randa, Switzerland to
discuss the future of our development frameworks, with the big topic being
"modularization of kdelibs". We've had a number of great d
On Monday, 6 de June de 2011 17:48:41 Martin Gräßlin wrote:
> Personal opinion: I think it is impossible to want to run the latest
> software around an old stack. The overall FOSS world is rolling release
> with everything depending on everything. I cannot see why you want to
> change that with a
On Monday 06 June 2011 23:05:52 Ben Cooksley wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I am requesting that a moratorium on dependency bumps for dependencies
> which are "hard to build" be enacted. This would affect system wide
> components which rely on root access and are heavily integrated into
> the system. This w
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On Monday 6 June 2011 13:05:52 Ben Cooksley wrote:
> Over the past few months it has become increasingly hard to use a
> distribution which isn't even 1 year old to build KDE trunk. Custom
> patches, disabled features and compilation failures are fairly common,
> and represent an extreme barrier to
Hi all,
I am requesting that a moratorium on dependency bumps for dependencies
which are "hard to build" be enacted. This would affect system wide
components which rely on root access and are heavily integrated into
the system. This would not affect things such as UPower or the like -
which aren't
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