Re: Qt 5.3 to log all debug/warning/error messages to journald on systemd systems

2014-01-27 Thread Aleix Pol
On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 11:40 PM, Thiago Macieira thi...@kde.org wrote: See subject. We're trying to decide whether we should enable journald by default on Linux distributions that carry it. If we do, it means any application that is not launched from a terminal would automatically write to

Re: Qt 5.3 to log all debug/warning/error messages to journald on systemd systems

2014-01-27 Thread Aleix Pol
On Tue, Jan 21, 2014 at 12:54 PM, Kevin Krammer kram...@kde.org wrote: On Monday, 2014-01-20, 14:40:17, Thiago Macieira wrote: See subject. We're trying to decide whether we should enable journald by default on Linux distributions that carry it. If we do, it means any application that is

Re: Qt 5.3 to log all debug/warning/error messages to journald on systemd systems

2014-01-24 Thread David Faure
On Monday 20 January 2014 23:51:45 Martin Sandsmark wrote: On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 02:40:17PM -0800, Thiago Macieira wrote: If we changed the default, it would mean ~/.xsession-errors would probably become rather empty. Is that ok for KDE? Considering how poor discoverability

Re: Qt 5.3 to log all debug/warning/error messages to journald on systemd systems

2014-01-24 Thread Bernd Steinhauser
Àlex Fiestas wrote: On Monday 20 January 2014 14:40:17 Thiago Macieira wrote: See subject. We're trying to decide whether we should enable journald by default on Linux distributions that carry it. If we do, it means any application that is not launched from a terminal would automatically

Re: Qt 5.3 to log all debug/warning/error messages to journald on systemd systems

2014-01-24 Thread Kevin Krammer
On Friday, 2014-01-24, 10:07:34, David Faure wrote: Kevin Krammer: kDebug uses qDebug. Yes, my mistake. I was thinking in Qt4/KDE4 term where we have runtime configurable output behavior through kdebugdialog (IIRC). Cheers, Kevin -- Kevin Krammer, KDE developer, xdg-utils developer KDE user

Re: Qt 5.3 to log all debug/warning/error messages to journald on systemd systems

2014-01-24 Thread Thiago Macieira
On sexta-feira, 24 de janeiro de 2014 10:07:34, David Faure wrote: I don't want to prevent progress, but what I'm missing in this thread is a reason WHY to use journald. Filtering? grep can do that too, on ~/.xsession- errors. One of the first patches to Qt that MeeGo carried was an option to

Re: Qt 5.3 to log all debug/warning/error messages to journald on systemd systems

2014-01-21 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2014/1/21 Martin Gräßlin mgraess...@kde.org: On Monday 20 January 2014 14:40:17 Thiago Macieira wrote: See subject. We're trying to decide whether we should enable journald by default on Linux distributions that carry it. If we do, it means any application that is not launched from a terminal

Re: Qt 5.3 to log all debug/warning/error messages to journald on systemd systems

2014-01-21 Thread Michael Jansen
On Monday 20 January 2014 14:40:17 Thiago Macieira wrote: See subject. We're trying to decide whether we should enable journald by default on Linux distributions that carry it. If we do, it means any application that is not launched from a terminal would automatically write to journald

Re: Qt 5.3 to log all debug/warning/error messages to journald on systemd systems

2014-01-21 Thread Francesco R.
Il 20/01/2014 23:40, Thiago Macieira ha scritto: See subject. We're trying to decide whether we should enable journald by default on Linux distributions that carry it. If we do, it means any application that is not launched from a terminal would automatically write to journald instead.

Re: Qt 5.3 to log all debug/warning/error messages to journald on systemd systems

2014-01-21 Thread Sebastian Kügler
On Monday, January 20, 2014 14:40:17 Thiago Macieira wrote: See subject. We're trying to decide whether we should enable journald by default on Linux distributions that carry it. If we do, it means any application that is not launched from a terminal would automatically write to journald

Re: Qt 5.3 to log all debug/warning/error messages to journald on systemd systems

2014-01-21 Thread Àlex Fiestas
On Monday 20 January 2014 14:40:17 Thiago Macieira wrote: See subject. We're trying to decide whether we should enable journald by default on Linux distributions that carry it. If we do, it means any application that is not launched from a terminal would automatically write to journald

Re: Qt 5.3 to log all debug/warning/error messages to journald on systemd systems

2014-01-21 Thread Thomas Lübking
On Dienstag, 21. Januar 2014 13:55:15 CEST, Sebastian Kügler wrote: One thing that may concern me is how to clean the system from debugging messages then. Sometimes applications go rogue on qDebug() What - from multiple bug reports and personal observation - can make journald going rogue

Re: Qt 5.3 to log all debug/warning/error messages to journald on systemd systems

2014-01-21 Thread Thiago Macieira
On terça-feira, 21 de janeiro de 2014 02:15:59, Francesco R. wrote: Il 20/01/2014 23:40, Thiago Macieira ha scritto: See subject. We're trying to decide whether we should enable journald by default on Linux distributions that carry it. If we do, it means any application that is not launched

Re: Qt 5.3 to log all debug/warning/error messages to journald on systemd systems

2014-01-21 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2014/1/21 Thiago Macieira thi...@kde.org: On terça-feira, 21 de janeiro de 2014 13:55:15, Sebastian Kügler wrote: One thing that may concern me is how to clean the system from debugging messages then. Sometimes applications go rogue on qDebug() (recent example the message from QPainter in Qt5,

Re: Qt 5.3 to log all debug/warning/error messages to journald on systemd systems

2014-01-21 Thread Thiago Macieira
On terça-feira, 21 de janeiro de 2014 13:55:15, Sebastian Kügler wrote: One thing that may concern me is how to clean the system from debugging messages then. Sometimes applications go rogue on qDebug() (recent example the message from QPainter in Qt5, which has just been fixed), so the

Qt 5.3 to log all debug/warning/error messages to journald on systemd systems

2014-01-20 Thread Thiago Macieira
See subject. We're trying to decide whether we should enable journald by default on Linux distributions that carry it. If we do, it means any application that is not launched from a terminal would automatically write to journald instead. KDE applications are the largest users of qDebug today.

Re: Qt 5.3 to log all debug/warning/error messages to journald on systemd systems

2014-01-20 Thread Martin Sandsmark
On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 02:40:17PM -0800, Thiago Macieira wrote: If we changed the default, it would mean ~/.xsession-errors would probably become rather empty. Is that ok for KDE? Considering how poor discoverability ~/.xsession-errors has (it took me many years until I discovered it) I think

Re: Qt 5.3 to log all debug/warning/error messages to journald on systemd systems

2014-01-20 Thread Martin Gräßlin
On Monday 20 January 2014 14:40:17 Thiago Macieira wrote: See subject. We're trying to decide whether we should enable journald by default on Linux distributions that carry it. If we do, it means any application that is not launched from a terminal would automatically write to journald