On Sat, Oct 01, 2011 at 08:33:06PM +0300, Andras Mantia wrote:
What I can say that I use the selection combo between the different
power management schemes from time to time, as I can do the same thing
(e.g developing so not anything like now I develop and then switch to
mail
Sat, 01 Oct 2011 17:27:48 +0300 you wrote Dario Freddi
drf54...@gmail.com:
The first, important part: we plan to remove the Warning step and the
possibility of creating profiles manually.
So we will have just 3 static profiles: one for AC power,
one for the PC running on battery, one for the
On 2 October 2011 19:01, Dario Freddi drf54...@gmail.com wrote:
2011/10/2 Michael Pyne mp...@kde.org:
On Sunday, October 02, 2011 19:52:09 Dario Freddi wrote:
On Sunday 02 October 2011 19:35:15 Michael Pyne wrote:
And even assuming the user knows how to do this, if they want to change
power
Hi,
On Monday 03 October 2011, Dario Freddi wrote:
...
Instead, if you are knowledgeable about the issue and have valuable
feedback, it´s time to discuss. Now, can we please reset the
discussion to a decent mood and come up with VALID concerns about this
new feature? Thanks.
Maybe one thing
On Monday 03 October 2011 06:38:29 Scott Kitterman wrote:
On Sunday, October 02, 2011 06:44:41 PM Dario Freddi wrote:
I would like to draw your attention to the address of this list. It
has a nice -devel prefix. I don´t take part in discussions where I am
not knowledgeable about the topic.
On 01/10/11 15:27, Dario Freddi wrote:
Me and Bjorn have been discussing extensively about how to improve the current
situation with Power Management in KDE. We focused on simplicity, still
without losing power-user features. And we have a plan I'd like to share and
get some feedback on.
I
On Monday 03 October 2011 10:44:35 Alexander Neundorf wrote:
Maybe one thing which could make things more clear to others would be to
explain which things, potentially related to power management, are managed
by what (or not) and how much they actually affect power consumption,
like:
On Monday 03 October 2011 13:16:28 Alex Merry wrote:
[snip]
So, basically, great work, Dario. Keep it up.
Thanks :)
As a final mean of apologizing for my harsh words yesterday, I have a nice
surprise. The whole topic of this mail is now real and 100% working. If you
want to try it, please
On 01.10.11 23:02:40, Dario Freddi wrote:
On Saturday 01 October 2011 21:03:10 Andreas Pakulat wrote:
What happens if I don't use activities at all since they provide no use
for me? And whats also not clear to me: How can I get powermanagement
configured so it never dims down my screen
On Saturday 01 October 2011 20:07:12 Stefan Majewsky wrote:
Actually I'm confused by the concept of activities as a whole: On
one hand, there are libraries now for reacting to activity switching.
On the other hand, activities are said to include running
applications, so apps will be closed
On Sunday 2 October 2011 10:14:06 Andreas Pakulat wrote:
Hmm, that means I have to learn about activities if I ever want to watch
a movie while I'm without ac... I don't really like that, especially
since I only do this seldomly and I don't use activities otherwise and
hence always have to
On Sun, Oct 2, 2011 at 10:41 AM, Thomas Zander zan...@kde.org wrote:
The part that I think is confusing is to make is so that one changes the
way power management works in some cases so that it's not in power
management. It's going to confuse approximately everyone who cares that is
not a KDE
I mean, the profile can be changed by switching Activities, so what is the
technical reason it cannot be done by the user directly? The reason I'm
concerned is that it takes concepts (power management policy, current
Activity) which, although related, are orthogonal and then artificially
On Sun, Oct 2, 2011 at 11:07 AM, Thomas Zander zan...@kde.org wrote:
I mean, the profile can be changed by switching Activities, so what is the
technical reason it cannot be done by the user directly? The reason I'm
concerned is that it takes concepts (power management policy, current
On Saturday, October 01, 2011 23:13:06 Dario Freddi wrote:
Is it? Certainly disabling desktop effects and 3D acceleration has
an
impact.
Sorry to disappoint you, but this action will be removed in 4.8.
Martin has explicitely stated that for how compositing in KDE works
now turning off
On Sunday, 2011-10-02, Andreas Pakulat wrote:
Hmm, that means I have to learn about activities if I ever want to watch
a movie while I'm without ac...
Shouldn't the movie player inhibit display replated saving functions in this
case?
(Assuming you meant playing a movie in full screen).
So I think there are more settings then display brightness (that
you usually can control anyway with an Fn shortcut on laptops).
Again, as I said before, I am pretty sure there are no settings except
brightness which require you to change to a different profile - in
fact, there is a
On Sunday 02 October 2011 11:22:45 todd rme wrote:
On Sun, Oct 2, 2011 at 11:07 AM, Thomas Zander zan...@kde.org wrote:
I mean, the profile can be changed by switching Activities, so what is
the technical reason it cannot be done by the user directly? The reason
I'm concerned is that it
after reading the full thread i think i'm ok with everything, but...
On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 4:27 PM, Dario Freddi drf54...@gmail.com wrote:
The first, important part: we plan to remove the Warning step
can you please just leave a notification for this? even if it doesn't
trigger a profile
On Sunday 02 October 2011 15:04:35 Alberto Villa wrote:
can you please just leave a notification for this? even if it doesn't
trigger a profile change, it's very useful to know that the battery is
going to die soon
Makes sense indeed
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On Sunday 02 October 2011 16:26:16 Markus Slopianka wrote:
On Samstag 01 Oktober 2011 16:27:48 Dario Freddi wrote:
We focused on simplicity,
still without losing power-user features
Quite frankly: What you describe sounds way more complicated. Don't see any
simplicity in your proposal.
On 02.10.11 14:25:48, Dario Freddi wrote:
On Sunday 02 October 2011 10:48:45 todd rme wrote:
On Sun, Oct 2, 2011 at 10:41 AM, Thomas Zander zan...@kde.org wrote:
The part that I think is confusing is to make is so that one changes the
way power management works in some cases so that it's
On Sunday, October 02, 2011 11:07:29 Thomas Zander wrote:
So the way I see activities is that you can map a lot of those settings that
are frankly all over the place onto a real-world activity.
Plasma added a nice user interface for it and things suddenly became more
consistent.
This is
On Sunday, October 02, 2011 19:34:42 Andreas Pakulat wrote:
I can think for
example for powersave-for-movie mode that dims display (because the
movie is shown on a TV) but does not suspend to ram/disk or turn off
monitors. Requiring people to create an activity for that even if thats
the only
On Sunday, October 02, 2011 12:26:14 Kevin Krammer wrote:
On Sunday, 2011-10-02, Andreas Pakulat wrote:
Hmm, that means I have to learn about activities if I ever want to watch
a movie while I'm without ac...
Shouldn't the movie player inhibit display replated saving functions in this
On Sun, Oct 2, 2011 at 7:32 PM, Dario Freddi drf54...@gmail.com wrote:
I will conclude the argument by saying that the
skepticals can now check out, in kde-workspace, my branch dafre/new-
powerdevil, which is implementing everything I said (new applet, new profile
handling) except for
On Sunday 02 October 2011 19:35:15 Michael Pyne wrote:
And look at it from the user perspective. The DE should be smart, but if
the user decides that this one time he wants the computer to act as if
the AC cord were plugged in even though it's not, and even though he
normally wants something
On Sun, Oct 2, 2011 at 7:58 PM, Dario Freddi drf54...@gmail.com wrote:
I still haven't found a you're
right after a thousand times I've been explaining the only real saver you can
configure is brightness, and this kinda concerns me.
You are indeed right. (Funny thing is that brightness is the
On Sunday 02 October 2011 20:03:47 Stefan Majewsky wrote:
On Sun, Oct 2, 2011 at 7:58 PM, Dario Freddi drf54...@gmail.com wrote:
I still haven't found a you're
right after a thousand times I've been explaining the only real saver
you can configure is brightness, and this kinda concerns me.
On Sunday, October 02, 2011 17:04:50 Martin Gr��lin wrote:
So please calmn down and lets focus on improving the user experience
by not spending too much time on too long� threads.
I'm far from being upset or anything. I just gave my opinion, which
seems to match others as well. We were *asked*
On Sunday 02 October 2011 21:09:00 Andras Mantia wrote:
On Sunday, October 02, 2011 14:45:58 Dario Freddi wrote:
That was one example. Another example brought up is e.g switching of
strigi or nepomuk indexing when switching to a power saving profile.
These two are something that usually
On Sunday 02 October 2011 19:57:33 Andras Mantia wrote:
On Sunday, October 02, 2011 17:04:50 Martin Gr��lin wrote:
So please calmn down and lets focus on improving the user experience
by not spending too much time on too long� threads.
I'm far from being upset or anything. I just gave my
On Sunday 02 October 2011 20:31:37 Martin Gräßlin wrote:
And that's now exactly the point: if you don't have any clue about what is
happening your I want to save power and not let the computer decide
might be much worse than what the computer would do.
No matter how many times I will quote
On Sunday 02 October 2011 21:03:45 todd rme wrote:
Thinking over the conversation a bit, I think the disagreement stems
not from the activities vs. profiles issue, but rather different
expectations about what power management is and what it should do.
People seem to be talking past each
On Sunday, October 02, 2011 08:37:58 PM Dario Freddi wrote:
On Sunday 02 October 2011 20:31:37 Martin Gräßlin wrote:
And that's now exactly the point: if you don't have any clue about what
is happening your I want to save power and not let the computer
decide might be much worse than what
On Sunday, October 02, 2011 09:28:42 PM Dario Freddi wrote:
No, sorry to say that again. There are two categories of people: those who
know what they are talking about and those who don't. Your understanding of
this categorization is coming from the fact that you didn't understand what
I am
2011/10/2 Scott Kitterman k...@kitterman.com:
On Sunday, October 02, 2011 08:37:58 PM Dario Freddi wrote:
On Sunday 02 October 2011 20:31:37 Martin Gräßlin wrote:
And that's now exactly the point: if you don't have any clue about what
is happening your I want to save power and not let the
2011/10/2 Scott Kitterman k...@kitterman.com:
On Sunday, October 02, 2011 09:28:42 PM Dario Freddi wrote:
No, sorry to say that again. There are two categories of people: those who
know what they are talking about and those who don't. Your understanding of
this categorization is coming from
2011/10/2 todd rme toddrme2...@gmail.com:
On Sun, Oct 2, 2011 at 9:28 PM, Dario Freddi drf54...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sunday 02 October 2011 21:03:45 todd rme wrote:
Thinking over the conversation a bit, I think the disagreement stems
not from the activities vs. profiles issue, but rather
On Sunday 02 October 2011 18:47:19 Dario Freddi wrote:
On Sunday 02 October 2011 19:34:42 Andreas Pakulat wrote:
That leaves out the use-case of not wanting to inhibit all aspects of
the current power-save mode, but only a part by switching to a different
mode that is similar but differs in
2011/10/2 David Jarvie djar...@kde.org:
On Sunday 02 October 2011 18:47:19 Dario Freddi wrote:
On Sunday 02 October 2011 19:34:42 Andreas Pakulat wrote:
That leaves out the use-case of not wanting to inhibit all aspects of
the current power-save mode, but only a part by switching to a
Btw, I would like to leave the readers, mainly the two who are
accusing me of being a d**k, an exercise and count how many times the
following questions came up:
-Ok but I cannot watch my videos anymore
-I will not be able to configure my profiles anymore
-Blahblah I want to do power
For people interested, this is how the new config UI+Battery plasmoid
are roughly going to look like, to finally throw away the concerns
about the configurability and the ¨presentation¨-like things.
http://vimeo.com/29919817
Vimeo is broken apparently, but you can still download the video. Hope
On Sunday, October 02, 2011 19:52:09 Dario Freddi wrote:
On Sunday 02 October 2011 19:35:15 Michael Pyne wrote:
And even assuming the user knows how to do this, if they want to change
power management options we are saying that they need to duplicate an
existing activity, change the power
On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 12:26 PM, Michael Pyne mp...@kde.org wrote:
On Sunday, October 02, 2011 20:01:55 Dario Freddi wrote:
I know, and I am sorry I had to come to a point where I needed to be
harsh. You also have to keep in mind I am one of the few guys who does
the dirty job, and I mostly
Hello all, and sorry for cross-posting.
Me and Bjorn have been discussing extensively about how to improve the current
situation with Power Management in KDE. We focused on simplicity, still
without losing power-user features. And we have a plan I'd like to share and
get some feedback on.
The
On Saturday 01 October 2011, Dario Freddi wrote:
Hello all, and sorry for cross-posting.
Me and Bjorn have been discussing extensively about how to improve the
current situation with Power Management in KDE. We focused on simplicity,
still without losing power-user features. And we have a
On Saturday 01 October 2011, Dario Freddi wrote:
Hello all, and sorry for cross-posting.
At the same time, the combobox for selecting a profile in the battery
applet will be removed. It will, although, be replaced by a toggle button
for inhibition: by enabling/disabling it, power management
On Saturday 01 October 2011 16:55:54 Marco Martin wrote:
On Saturday 01 October 2011, Dario Freddi wrote:
Hello all, and sorry for cross-posting.
At the same time, the combobox for selecting a profile in the battery
applet will be removed. It will, although, be replaced by a toggle button
On Saturday 01 October 2011, Dario Freddi wrote:
this i guess would be a kind of presentation mode...
would it still cover enough use cases?
maybe together with activities could be enough, not 100% sure
Well, covering all use cases is something I don't feel I can guarantee for
anything
On Saturday, October 01, 2011 16:27:48 Dario Freddi wrote:
Hello all, and sorry for cross-posting.
[...]
I can't comment on activities, never used them, nor feel the need to use
them. So this sounds more like the power management applet would force
me to create and use activites.
What I can
On Saturday 01 October 2011 16.27.48 Dario Freddi wrote:
Suppose you want to have an activity named Sleep, in which you watch a
movie, and the PC will shutdown after 90 mins of inactivity. In this case,
you would just specify to override the Suspend Session action. Or, you
want to have an
On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 7:33 PM, Andras Mantia aman...@kde.org wrote:
I can't comment on activities, never used them, nor feel the need to use
them. So this sounds more like the power management applet would force
me to create and use activites.
+1. Actually I'm confused by the concept of
On Saturday 01 October 2011 20:07:12 Stefan Majewsky wrote:
On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 7:33 PM, Andras Mantia aman...@kde.org wrote:
I can't comment on activities, never used them, nor feel the need to use
them. So this sounds more like the power management applet would force
me to create and
On Saturday, October 01, 2011 16:27:48 Dario Freddi wrote:
Hopefully, this solution will please everyone and will make activities even
more useful. Do you like it? More suggestions? Speak now or shut up forever!
I actually think I like the idea of allowing what Activity you're using at the
On Saturday 01 October 2011 20.33.06 Andras Mantia wrote:
On Saturday, October 01, 2011 16:27:48 Dario Freddi wrote:
Hello all, and sorry for cross-posting.
[...]
I can't comment on activities, never used them, nor feel the need to use
them. So this sounds more like the power
On Saturday, October 01, 2011 14:43:24 Michael Pyne wrote:
I can say that on my laptop I've used the power management widget all
the� time, but the only times I've touched Activities has been
completely by accident, since I use the laptop for basically one
thing. So while Activities should
On 01.10.11 16:27:48, Dario Freddi wrote:
Hello all, and sorry for cross-posting.
Me and Bjorn have been discussing extensively about how to improve the
current
situation with Power Management in KDE. We focused on simplicity, still
without losing power-user features. And we have a plan
[Please reply on both lists if you cross-posted, otherwise dicussion will be
more fragmented. I just looked up the plasma list out of curiosity, normally
I don't follow, so your mail would have been missed.]
Dario Freddi wrote:
I can't comment on activities, never used them, nor feel the need
On Saturday 01 October 2011 21.02.19 Dario Freddi wrote:
[...]
Also please do not remove the possibility to change how a certain state
should look like. So far I've always changed the on battery profile.
I think there is a certain misunderstanding here. I have said the
possibility of
On Saturday 01 October 2011 21:03:10 Andreas Pakulat wrote:
What happens if I don't use activities at all since they provide no use
for me? And whats also not clear to me: How can I get powermanagement
configured so it never dims down my screen brightness (since thats
making the display
On Saturday, October 01, 2011 08:38:09 PM Dario Freddi wrote:
On Saturday 01 October 2011 20:07:12 Stefan Majewsky wrote:
On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 7:33 PM, Andras Mantia aman...@kde.org wrote:
I can't comment on activities, never used them, nor feel the need to
use them. So this sounds more
On Saturday, October 01, 2011 09:54:52 PM Torgny Nyblom wrote:
On Saturday 01 October 2011 21.02.19 Dario Freddi wrote:
[...]
Also please do not remove the possibility to change how a certain state
should look like. So far I've always changed the on battery profile.
I think there is
On Saturday 01 October 2011 21:21:40 Andras Mantia wrote:
[Please reply on both lists if you cross-posted, otherwise dicussion will
be more fragmented. I just looked up the plasma list out of curiosity,
normally I don't follow, so your mail would have been missed.]
Dario Freddi wrote:
I
On Saturday 01 October 2011 21:30:02 Lukas wrote:
On 1 October 2011 21:36, plasma-devel-requ...@kde.org wrote:
Something like having Power mode switch:
[Performance] [Normal] [Battery stretch]
where Normal is current static profile; Performance - temporary
disables any
On Saturday 01 October 2011 23:09:27 Scott Kitterman wrote:
I don't understand how creating a new activity represents an improvement
to the user. If I understand the proposal correctly the user will only
use the power manager to change existing profiles and if they want to
create an
On Lørdag den 1. oktober 2011, Dario Freddi wrote:
Hello all, and sorry for cross-posting.
Me and Bjorn have been discussing extensively about how to improve the
current situation with Power Management in KDE. We focused on simplicity,
still without losing power-user features. And we have a
On Lørdag den 1. oktober 2011, Scott Kitterman wrote:
I don't understand how creating a new activity represents an improvement
to the user. If I understand the proposal correctly the user will only
use the power manager to change existing profiles and if they want to
create an alternative
On Saturday 01 October 2011 23:33:22 Scott Kitterman wrote:
On Saturday, October 01, 2011 11:21:46 PM Dario Freddi wrote:
On Saturday 01 October 2011 23:09:27 Scott Kitterman wrote:
I don't understand how creating a new activity represents an
improvement to the user. If I understand the
On Saturday 01 October 2011 23:41:42 Anders Lund wrote:
On Lørdag den 1. oktober 2011, Scott Kitterman wrote:
I don't understand how creating a new activity represents an improvement
to the user. If I understand the proposal correctly the user will only
use the power manager to change
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