Re: Asking for a new project

[Nate Graham]

If you're aiming to compete with Krita and try to siphon users away from 
it and towards your fork instead, then you are producing what's known as 
a "hostile fork" and I very much doubt that Krita's developers will be 
interested in helping you with it.


If on the other hand your fork is simply a development area for you to 
send merge requests to Krita's main repo, then relations are likely to 
be friendly and they will probably be much more open to your proposals 
and merge requests.


Nate



On 6/1/22 12:26, Bourumir Wyngs wrote:
Sorry, I was not expecting that my message will go to the big mailing 
list, initially assumed this will be directed to some person responsible 
for handling the new project proposals. The request to send the message 
to this address can be found at https://community.kde.org/Incubator 
.


Speaking about the "big button", I am a Krita contributor and already 
have the fork with multiple branches containing my merge requests under 
review and others. I wanted to keep this existing fork separate from the 
much more independent project, there is nothing pretty in branches from 
the two projects in one repository. Because of that I have registered 
the proposed project separately but you are right, one of the ways to 
proceed would be to take a master branch of my fork as  a master of the 
independent project.


I would be surprised if Krita developer team would be willing to help me 
reach the users but who knows? It is obviously possible to post to they 
mailing list as well. The C++20 code, they are unlikely to merge any 
time soon.



On Wed, Jun 1, 2022 at 2:45 AM Aleix Pol > wrote:


There's a big "Fork" button on top here:
https://invent.kde.org/graphics/krita/


That said, please coordinate with krita devs to make sure your work is
ever going to reach users.

Best,
Aleix


On Tue, May 31, 2022 at 9:10 AM Bourumir Wyngs
mailto:bourumir.wy...@gmail.com>> wrote:
 >
 > Hello, KDE team,
 >
 > I would like to create the independent fork of Krita that would
allow to use all modern features of C++, up till that is supported
by the latest GCC release, 12.1 at the time of writing.
 >
 > The current Krita development rules are capped by C++11 that is
now the ten years old standard. Even that is limited by the lengthy
list of restrictions. The rules also require using deprecated
features of the Qt framework like Q_FOREACH. I understand the care
of the community not to spoil anything and to preserve the beauty of
the existing code. This means, radical changes should be done in a form.
 >
 > I tried to setup the project on KDE myself
(https://invent.kde.org/bourumir/kreed
) but for some reason was not
able to push Krita code (about 1 Gb) into repository - hangs at the
end of the push. It may have something to do with quotas or things
the like. It may be that I need more assistance from your side to
setup the project. I decided to contact you first before starting
the work on GitHub or independent server instead.
 >
 > I, the project initiator, am currently 54 year old. I am robotic
engineer with very long programming experience, including
significant industrial experience with C++. In the past I made
notable contribution to GNU Classpath project, providing them a
fully functional and interoperable implementation of CORBA. It is
obviously sad there are no other contributors so far but I expect
some people to come. I also made several contributions for Krita so
have some understanding about code base and architecture of this
project. My real name is Audrius Meskauskas.
 >
 >
 >

Re: Asking for a new project

[Bourumir Wyngs]

Sorry, I was not expecting that my message will go to the big mailing list,
initially assumed this will be directed to some person responsible for
handling the new project proposals. The request to send the message to this
address can be found at https://community.kde.org/Incubator.

Speaking about the "big button", I am a Krita contributor and already have
the fork with multiple branches containing my merge requests under review
and others. I wanted to keep this existing fork separate from the much more
independent project, there is nothing pretty in branches from the two
projects in one repository. Because of that I have registered the proposed
project separately but you are right, one of the ways to proceed would be
to take a master branch of my fork as  a master of the independent project.

I would be surprised if Krita developer team would be willing to help me
reach the users but who knows? It is obviously possible to post to they
mailing list as well. The C++20 code, they are unlikely to merge any time
soon.


On Wed, Jun 1, 2022 at 2:45 AM Aleix Pol  wrote:

> There's a big "Fork" button on top here:
> https://invent.kde.org/graphics/krita/
>
> That said, please coordinate with krita devs to make sure your work is
> ever going to reach users.
>
> Best,
> Aleix
>
>
> On Tue, May 31, 2022 at 9:10 AM Bourumir Wyngs 
> wrote:
> >
> > Hello, KDE team,
> >
> > I would like to create the independent fork of Krita that would allow to
> use all modern features of C++, up till that is supported by the latest GCC
> release, 12.1 at the time of writing.
> >
> > The current Krita development rules are capped by C++11 that is now the
> ten years old standard. Even that is limited by the lengthy list of
> restrictions. The rules also require using deprecated features of the Qt
> framework like Q_FOREACH. I understand the care of the community not to
> spoil anything and to preserve the beauty of the existing code. This means,
> radical changes should be done in a form.
> >
> > I tried to setup the project on KDE myself (
> https://invent.kde.org/bourumir/kreed) but for some reason was not able
> to push Krita code (about 1 Gb) into repository - hangs at the end of the
> push. It may have something to do with quotas or things the like. It may be
> that I need more assistance from your side to setup the project. I decided
> to contact you first before starting the work on GitHub or independent
> server instead.
> >
> > I, the project initiator, am currently 54 year old. I am robotic
> engineer with very long programming experience, including significant
> industrial experience with C++. In the past I made notable contribution to
> GNU Classpath project, providing them a fully functional and interoperable
> implementation of CORBA. It is obviously sad there are no other
> contributors so far but I expect some people to come. I also made several
> contributions for Krita so have some understanding about code base and
> architecture of this project. My real name is Audrius Meskauskas.
> >
> >
> >
>

Re: Asking for a new project

[Nate Graham]

Indeed, I would recommend working with them on a plan to make sure your 
changes are mergeable and eventually merged into the main repo. If that 
doesn't end up happening, all your hard work will have been wasted.


Nate


On 5/31/22 18:45, Aleix Pol wrote:

There's a big "Fork" button on top here: https://invent.kde.org/graphics/krita/

That said, please coordinate with krita devs to make sure your work is
ever going to reach users.

Best,
Aleix


On Tue, May 31, 2022 at 9:10 AM Bourumir Wyngs  wrote:


Hello, KDE team,

I would like to create the independent fork of Krita that would allow to use 
all modern features of C++, up till that is supported by the latest GCC 
release, 12.1 at the time of writing.

The current Krita development rules are capped by C++11 that is now the ten 
years old standard. Even that is limited by the lengthy list of restrictions. 
The rules also require using deprecated features of the Qt framework like 
Q_FOREACH. I understand the care of the community not to spoil anything and to 
preserve the beauty of the existing code. This means, radical changes should be 
done in a form.

I tried to setup the project on KDE myself 
(https://invent.kde.org/bourumir/kreed) but for some reason was not able to 
push Krita code (about 1 Gb) into repository - hangs at the end of the push. It 
may have something to do with quotas or things the like. It may be that I need 
more assistance from your side to setup the project. I decided to contact you 
first before starting the work on GitHub or independent server instead.

I, the project initiator, am currently 54 year old. I am robotic engineer with 
very long programming experience, including significant industrial experience 
with C++. In the past I made notable contribution to GNU Classpath project, 
providing them a fully functional and interoperable implementation of CORBA. It 
is obviously sad there are no other contributors so far but I expect some 
people to come. I also made several contributions for Krita so have some 
understanding about code base and architecture of this project. My real name is 
Audrius Meskauskas.

Re: Asking for a new project

[Aleix Pol]

There's a big "Fork" button on top here: https://invent.kde.org/graphics/krita/

That said, please coordinate with krita devs to make sure your work is
ever going to reach users.

Best,
Aleix


On Tue, May 31, 2022 at 9:10 AM Bourumir Wyngs  wrote:
>
> Hello, KDE team,
>
> I would like to create the independent fork of Krita that would allow to use 
> all modern features of C++, up till that is supported by the latest GCC 
> release, 12.1 at the time of writing.
>
> The current Krita development rules are capped by C++11 that is now the ten 
> years old standard. Even that is limited by the lengthy list of restrictions. 
> The rules also require using deprecated features of the Qt framework like 
> Q_FOREACH. I understand the care of the community not to spoil anything and 
> to preserve the beauty of the existing code. This means, radical changes 
> should be done in a form.
>
> I tried to setup the project on KDE myself 
> (https://invent.kde.org/bourumir/kreed) but for some reason was not able to 
> push Krita code (about 1 Gb) into repository - hangs at the end of the push. 
> It may have something to do with quotas or things the like. It may be that I 
> need more assistance from your side to setup the project. I decided to 
> contact you first before starting the work on GitHub or independent server 
> instead.
>
> I, the project initiator, am currently 54 year old. I am robotic engineer 
> with very long programming experience, including significant industrial 
> experience with C++. In the past I made notable contribution to GNU Classpath 
> project, providing them a fully functional and interoperable implementation 
> of CORBA. It is obviously sad there are no other contributors so far but I 
> expect some people to come. I also made several contributions for Krita so 
> have some understanding about code base and architecture of this project. My 
> real name is Audrius Meskauskas.
>
>
>

Asking for a new project

[Bourumir Wyngs]

Hello, KDE team,

I would like to create the independent fork of Krita that would allow to
use *all modern features of C++*, up till that is supported by the latest
GCC release, 12.1 at the time of writing.

The current Krita development rules are capped by C++11 that is now the ten
years old standard. Even that is limited by the lengthy list of
restrictions. The rules also require using deprecated features of the Qt
framework like Q_FOREACH. I understand the care of the community not to
spoil anything and to preserve the beauty of the existing code. This means,
radical changes should be done in a form.

I tried to setup the project on KDE myself (
https://invent.kde.org/bourumir/kreed) but for some reason was not able to
push Krita code (about 1 Gb) into repository - hangs at the end of the
push. It may have something to do with quotas or things the like. It may be
that I need more assistance from your side to setup the project. I decided
to contact you first before starting the work on GitHub or independent
server instead.

I, the project initiator, am currently 54 year old. I am robotic engineer
with very long programming experience, including significant industrial
experience with C++. In the past I made notable contribution to GNU
Classpath project, providing them a fully functional and interoperable
implementation of CORBA. It is obviously sad there are no other
contributors so far but I expect some people to come. I also made several
contributions for Krita so have some understanding about code base and
architecture of this project. My real name is Audrius Meskauskas.