Re: [Kde-hardware-devel] Do we want to drop support for "enterprise" devices in plasma-nm applet?

2017-08-10 Thread Lamarque Souza 
Hi,

I think adding an option in the editor to disable the filters is better
than just reverting the patches. Just reverting the patches is going to be
another big visual change that might annoy someone else who will ask to
change it again. See the picture?

Lamarque V. Souza
Linux User #57137 - https://www.linuxcounter.net/user/57137

On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 3:31 AM, Jan Grulich  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I would like to bring this for discussion again, there are apparently
> people
> [1] using those devices on desktop and even when there might be just a few
> of
> them we maybe want to reconsider supporting them. I've never removed the
> relevant code to support enterprise devices, they are just ignored and
> filtered out, but still the setting widgets are there. Problem is that I
> don't
> want to really show them in the applet or in the new kcm as it might bother
> 99% of users who actually don't need them. Instead, we might want to add an
> option to the applet to allow showing and creating such devices. What do
> you
> think? It shouldn't be extra work and everyone will be satisfied.
>
> [1] - https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=376664
>
> Regards,
> Jan
>
> On čtvrtek 17. prosince 2015 9:53:27 CEST Jan Grulich wrote:
> > Done. I pushed a change which should now filter out mentioned
> > device/connection types from the applet, notifications etc. except the
> > connection editor.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Jan
> >
> > On Wednesday 16 of December 2015 15:26:51 Jan Grulich wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > in the upcoming NetworkMager version they decided to drop support for
> > > "enterprise" devices in nm-applet, like bond, bridge, infiniband, team
> or
> > > vlan. The reason for this is that their usage on desktop is not that
> > > common
> > > and mostly they just take space, like virbr0 (bridge) connection which
> is
> > > created automatically by virtualbox or libvirt and you cannot remove
> it or
> > > do anything with it. Their preferred way to configure/manage those
> devices
> > > is now nmcli.
> > >
> > > I propose ignoring those devices only in the applet and keeping them
> only
> > > in the editor where you should be still able to configure them and even
> > > activated them.
> > >
> > > NM change:
> > > https://git.gnome.org/browse/network-manager-applet/commit/
> ?id=4b8eade[1]
> > >
> > > NM bug:
> > > https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=753369[2]
> > >
> > > And btw. gnome-shell also ignores those devices.
> > >
> > > What do you think?
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Jan
> >
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Re: [Kde-hardware-devel] Do we want to drop support for "enterprise" devices in plasma-nm applet?

2017-08-10 Thread Jan Grulich 
Hi,

I would like to bring this for discussion again, there are apparently people 
[1] using those devices on desktop and even when there might be just a few of 
them we maybe want to reconsider supporting them. I've never removed the 
relevant code to support enterprise devices, they are just ignored and 
filtered out, but still the setting widgets are there. Problem is that I don't 
want to really show them in the applet or in the new kcm as it might bother 
99% of users who actually don't need them. Instead, we might want to add an 
option to the applet to allow showing and creating such devices. What do you 
think? It shouldn't be extra work and everyone will be satisfied.

[1] - https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=376664

Regards,
Jan

On čtvrtek 17. prosince 2015 9:53:27 CEST Jan Grulich wrote:
> Done. I pushed a change which should now filter out mentioned
> device/connection types from the applet, notifications etc. except the
> connection editor.
> 
> Regards,
> Jan
> 
> On Wednesday 16 of December 2015 15:26:51 Jan Grulich wrote:
> > Hi,
> > 
> > in the upcoming NetworkMager version they decided to drop support for
> > "enterprise" devices in nm-applet, like bond, bridge, infiniband, team or
> > vlan. The reason for this is that their usage on desktop is not that
> > common
> > and mostly they just take space, like virbr0 (bridge) connection which is
> > created automatically by virtualbox or libvirt and you cannot remove it or
> > do anything with it. Their preferred way to configure/manage those devices
> > is now nmcli.
> > 
> > I propose ignoring those devices only in the applet and keeping them only
> > in the editor where you should be still able to configure them and even
> > activated them.
> > 
> > NM change:
> > https://git.gnome.org/browse/network-manager-applet/commit/?id=4b8eade[1]
> > 
> > NM bug:
> > https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=753369[2]
> > 
> > And btw. gnome-shell also ignores those devices.
> > 
> > What do you think?
> > 
> > Regards,
> > Jan
> 
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Re: [Kde-hardware-devel] Do we want to drop support for "enterprise" devices in plasma-nm applet?

2015-12-16 Thread Lamarque Souza 
Hi,

I am Ok with your both suggestions (dropping support for them from the
applet and keeping the support in the editor). I am also Ok if you prefer
to also drop the support from the editor. I, for one, have never used those
"enterprise" devices myself.

Lamarque V. Souza

http://planetkde.org/pt-br

On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 12:26 PM, Jan Grulich  wrote:

> Hi,
>
>
>
> in the upcoming NetworkMager version they decided to drop support for
> "enterprise" devices in nm-applet, like bond, bridge, infiniband, team or
> vlan. The reason for this is that their usage on desktop is not that common
> and mostly they just take space, like virbr0 (bridge) connection which is
> created automatically by virtualbox or libvirt and you cannot remove it or
> do anything with it. Their preferred way to configure/manage those devices
> is now nmcli.
>
>
>
> I propose ignoring those devices only in the applet and keeping them only
> in the editor where you should be still able to configure them and even
> activated them.
>
>
>
> NM change:
>
> https://git.gnome.org/browse/network-manager-applet/commit/?id=4b8eade
>
>
>
> NM bug:
>
> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=753369
>
>
>
> And btw. gnome-shell also ignores those devices.
>
>
>
> What do you think?
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Jan
>
> --
>
> Jan Grulich 
>
> Software Engineer, Desktop team
>
> Red Hat Czech
>
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Re: [Kde-hardware-devel] Do we want to drop support for "enterprise" devices in plasma-nm applet?

2015-12-16 Thread Sebastian Kügler 
On Wednesday, December 16, 2015 15:26:51 Jan Grulich wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> in the upcoming NetworkMager version they decided to drop support for
> "enterprise" devices in nm-applet, like bond, bridge, infiniband, team or
> vlan. The reason for this is that their usage on desktop is not that common
> and mostly they just take space, like virbr0 (bridge) connection which is
> created automatically by virtualbox or libvirt and you cannot remove it or
> do anything with it. Their preferred way to configure/manage those devices
> is now nmcli.
> 
> I propose ignoring those devices only in the applet and keeping them only in
> the editor where you should be still able to configure them and even
> activated them.
> 
> NM change:
> https://git.gnome.org/browse/network-manager-applet/commit/?id=4b8eade[1]
> 
> NM bug:
> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=753369[2]
> 
> And btw. gnome-shell also ignores those devices.
> 
> What do you think?

Sounds sensible to me.
-- 
sebas

Sebastian Kügler|http://vizZzion.org| http://kde.org

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