Re: Server product kernel requirements

2013-10-31 Thread Prarit Bhargava
On 10/30/2013 07:32 PM, Josh Boyer wrote: On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 7:25 PM, Prarit Bhargava pra...@redhat.com wrote: On 10/30/2013 02:10 PM, Simo Sorce wrote: On Wed, 2013-10-30 at 10:51 -0700, David Strauss wrote: On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 10:09 AM, Josh Boyer jwbo...@fedoraproject.org

Re: Server product kernel requirements

2013-10-31 Thread Prarit Bhargava
On 10/30/2013 07:50 PM, David Strauss wrote: I was, indeed, drawing an arbitrary line, but we must draw the line somewhere. Maybe Fedora 23+ have it set far higher. It's easy to adapt over time to support the high end of commodity servers while still being desktop-friendly; we don't have a

Re: Server product kernel requirements

2013-10-31 Thread Josh Boyer
On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 8:36 AM, Prarit Bhargava pra...@redhat.com wrote: On 10/30/2013 07:32 PM, Josh Boyer wrote: On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 7:25 PM, Prarit Bhargava pra...@redhat.com wrote: On 10/30/2013 02:10 PM, Simo Sorce wrote: On Wed, 2013-10-30 at 10:51 -0700, David Strauss wrote: On

Re: Server product kernel requirements

2013-10-31 Thread Josh Boyer
On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 8:38 AM, Prarit Bhargava pra...@redhat.com wrote: On 10/30/2013 07:50 PM, David Strauss wrote: I was, indeed, drawing an arbitrary line, but we must draw the line somewhere. Maybe Fedora 23+ have it set far higher. It's easy to adapt over time to support the high

Re: Server product kernel requirements

2013-10-31 Thread Prarit Bhargava
On 10/31/2013 08:46 AM, Josh Boyer wrote: On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 8:38 AM, Prarit Bhargava pra...@redhat.com wrote: On 10/30/2013 07:50 PM, David Strauss wrote: I was, indeed, drawing an arbitrary line, but we must draw the line somewhere. Maybe Fedora 23+ have it set far higher. It's

Re: Cloud product kernel requirements

2013-10-31 Thread Josh Boyer
On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 11:04 AM, Matthew Miller mat...@fedoraproject.org wrote: On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 10:07:46AM -0400, Josh Boyer wrote: The kernel team has heard in the past that the Cloud group would like to see something of a more minimal kernel for usage in cloud images. We'd like to

Re: Cloud product kernel requirements

2013-10-31 Thread Matthew Miller
On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 11:26:25AM -0400, Josh Boyer wrote: Case 1 is easy -- no kernel, no problem. Or, perhaps more accurately, that case is covered by either someone else's kernel (which is SEP), or the standard kernel found in Workstation and Server. Yes. Case 2 is everything needed

Re: Cloud product kernel requirements

2013-10-31 Thread Matthew Miller
On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 11:04:25AM -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: Main drivers are network traffic, provisioning speed, and density. With probably a smidgen of marketing thrown in. I should add that for the smidgen of marketing, the key target is not much bigger than the competition, and smaller

Re: Server product kernel requirements

2013-10-31 Thread Prarit Bhargava
On 10/31/2013 03:02 PM, Josh Boyer wrote: On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 2:33 PM, Bill Nottingham nott...@redhat.com wrote: Josh Boyer (jwbo...@fedoraproject.org) said: (As for memory-critical cloud... I have no idea what that is to be honest. All I hear from the cloud people is smaller is better.