Re: [Kicad-developers] New part file format document.

2010-12-16 Thread Karl Schmidt
On 12/15/2010 08:25 PM, Wayne Stambaugh wrote: Maybe I should change the current pin_swap to pin_relocate and use pin_swap to indicate that pins are interchangeable a the net list level. Yes - that is the terminology used with other CAD systems (PadsLogic, Orcad-capture etc).. Pin swap - gate

Re: [Kicad-developers] New part file format document.

2010-12-16 Thread Karl Schmidt
On 12/15/2010 06:37 PM, Wayne Stambaugh wrote: It will also require some diligence on the user's part but I would rather not limit pin swaps to electrically equivalent pins. I understand not wanting to tie someones hands - but I'm not sure how that is useful? Just to be clear, some of the aut

Re: [Kicad-developers] New part file format document.

2010-12-16 Thread Dick Hollenbeck
On 12/16/2010 02:50 PM, Simon Rogers wrote: > Could the schematic support multiple parts lists? > > I'm thinking of the problem supporting different builds say a European > version or a US version where the schematic is the same but with > component value changes due to, for example, 50Hz or 60Hz

Re: [Kicad-developers] New part file format document.

2010-12-16 Thread Wayne Stambaugh
Simon, Hang on to this thought. We are limiting the discussion to the part file format. The schematic file format discussion will happen after we've nailed down the part file. I want to keep the focus narrow so we can get this done in a timely manor. Wayne On 12/16/2010 3:50 PM, Simon Rogers

Re: [Kicad-developers] New part file format document.

2010-12-16 Thread Simon Rogers
Could the schematic support multiple parts lists? I'm thinking of the problem supporting different builds say a European version or a US version where the schematic is the same but with component value changes due to, for example, 50Hz or 60Hz supply or the different voltages, regulations etc.

Re: [Kicad-developers] New part file format document.

2010-12-16 Thread Dick Hollenbeck
Some aid comes from making the list of lists be just a simple std::set where the contained string is a sorted list of space separated pins. This gets pretty easy then. Can you then support: base class: (pin_merge A B) derived class: (pin_merge B A C D) The remaining problem i

Re: [Kicad-developers] New part file format document.

2010-12-16 Thread Dick Hollenbeck
On 12/16/2010 12:15 PM, Dick Hollenbeck wrote: > On 12/16/2010 10:33 AM, Wayne Stambaugh wrote: >> On 12/16/2010 10:22 AM, Dick Hollenbeck wrote: >>> On 12/16/2010 08:12 AM, Wayne Stambaugh wrote: On 12/16/2010 7:18 AM, Brian Sidebotham wrote: > On 16 December 2010 02:31, Wayne Stambaugh

Re: [Kicad-developers] New part file format document.

2010-12-16 Thread Dick Hollenbeck
On 12/16/2010 10:33 AM, Wayne Stambaugh wrote: > On 12/16/2010 10:22 AM, Dick Hollenbeck wrote: >> On 12/16/2010 08:12 AM, Wayne Stambaugh wrote: >>> On 12/16/2010 7:18 AM, Brian Sidebotham wrote: On 16 December 2010 02:31, Wayne Stambaugh wrote: > On 12/15/2010 9:19 PM, Karl Schmidt wrot

Re: [Kicad-developers] New part file format document.

2010-12-16 Thread Wayne Stambaugh
On 12/16/2010 10:22 AM, Dick Hollenbeck wrote: > On 12/16/2010 08:12 AM, Wayne Stambaugh wrote: >> On 12/16/2010 7:18 AM, Brian Sidebotham wrote: >>> On 16 December 2010 02:31, Wayne Stambaugh wrote: On 12/15/2010 9:19 PM, Karl Schmidt wrote: > On 12/15/2010 07:30 PM, Brian Sidebotham wro

Re: [Kicad-developers] New part file format document.

2010-12-16 Thread Dick Hollenbeck
On 12/16/2010 08:12 AM, Wayne Stambaugh wrote: > On 12/16/2010 7:18 AM, Brian Sidebotham wrote: >> On 16 December 2010 02:31, Wayne Stambaugh wrote: >>> On 12/15/2010 9:19 PM, Karl Schmidt wrote: On 12/15/2010 07:30 PM, Brian Sidebotham wrote: > When placing components such as p

Re: [Kicad-developers] New part file format document.

2010-12-16 Thread Dick Hollenbeck
On 12/16/2010 08:12 AM, Wayne Stambaugh wrote: > On 12/16/2010 7:18 AM, Brian Sidebotham wrote: >> On 16 December 2010 02:31, Wayne Stambaugh wrote: >>> On 12/15/2010 9:19 PM, Karl Schmidt wrote: On 12/15/2010 07:30 PM, Brian Sidebotham wrote: > When placing components such as p

Re: [Kicad-developers] New part file format document.

2010-12-16 Thread Brian Sidebotham
>> It does need a way of telling the schematic capture how to choose a >> look for a component. However, I think the functionality is allowed >> for in the current spec already. The different versions can be >> alternatives, then it is down to the GUI design to make these >> alternatives easy to se

Re: [Kicad-developers] New part file format document.

2010-12-16 Thread Brian Sidebotham
On 16 December 2010 14:09, Dick Hollenbeck wrote: > >> Brian, >> >> Even with the current software, try adding pins to your footprint that share >> the same >> pin > > pad >>  name.  I believe the netlist will know then that these pins > > pads >>  are all equivalent and >> are mapped to the very

Re: [Kicad-developers] New part file format document.

2010-12-16 Thread Wayne Stambaugh
On 12/16/2010 7:18 AM, Brian Sidebotham wrote: > On 16 December 2010 02:31, Wayne Stambaugh wrote: >> On 12/15/2010 9:19 PM, Karl Schmidt wrote: >>> On 12/15/2010 07:30 PM, Brian Sidebotham wrote: >>> >>> When placing components such as passives (mainly R's and C's) you come across the c

Re: [Kicad-developers] New part file format document.

2010-12-16 Thread Dick Hollenbeck
> Brian, > > Even with the current software, try adding pins to your footprint that share > the same > pin pad > name. I believe the netlist will know then that these pins pads > are all equivalent and > are mapped to the very one and the same schematic pin. I remember doing > this, so I >

Re: [Kicad-developers] New part file format document.

2010-12-16 Thread Dick Hollenbeck
On 12/16/2010 06:18 AM, Brian Sidebotham wrote: > On 16 December 2010 02:31, Wayne Stambaugh wrote: >> On 12/15/2010 9:19 PM, Karl Schmidt wrote: >>> On 12/15/2010 07:30 PM, Brian Sidebotham wrote: >>> >>> When placing components such as passives (mainly R's and C's) you come across the

Re: [Kicad-developers] New part file format document.

2010-12-16 Thread Dick Hollenbeck
> The only thing not covered for me then would be one schematic pin to > many footprint pins support. I can't see a nice way of doing that yet. Brian, Even with the current software, try adding pins to your footprint that share the same pin name. I believe the netlist will know then that thes

Re: [Kicad-developers] New part file format document.

2010-12-16 Thread Brian Sidebotham
On 16 December 2010 02:31, Wayne Stambaugh wrote: > On 12/15/2010 9:19 PM, Karl Schmidt wrote: >> On 12/15/2010 07:30 PM, Brian Sidebotham wrote: >> >> >>> When placing components such as passives (mainly R's and C's) you come >>> across the common problem that you draw the symbol either horizonta

Re: [Kicad-developers] New part file format units discussion.

2010-12-16 Thread Martijn Kuipers
On Dec 16, 2010, at 1:16 AM, Brian Sidebotham wrote: > On 15 December 2010 20:07, Wayne Stambaugh wrote: >> Dick and I have been discussing his ideas on making schematics and therefore >> parts dimensionless. The more I think about it, the more I like it. Please >> look over the discussion bel