Re: [Kicad-developers] PATCH: To facilitate easier Via Curtain/Filling

2016-10-06 Thread Nox
Sorry for Gravedigging. Maybe some heretic (and mostlikely stupid) questions but: why is there even an automatic relabeling implement? Would not it be much more convenient to have it as seperate tool instead of a mandatory step (like the cleaning up)? Further more it seems like

Re: [Kicad-developers] PATCH: To facilitate easier Via Curtain/Filling

2015-12-19 Thread Piers Titus van der Torren
Hi Wayne, If I can add my thoughts, I think Steven has a fair point that tracking zones in the DRC is non trivial, so a 'real' solution in that direction is not around the corner, and will never be perfect either. The proposed change has as side effect that unconnected tracks without a zone

Re: [Kicad-developers] PATCH: To facilitate easier Via Curtain/Filling

2015-12-19 Thread easyw
this is also my point of view ... thumb up! On 19/12/2015 17.24, Piers Titus van der Torren wrote: Hi Wayne, If I can add my thoughts, I think Steven has a fair point that tracking zones in the DRC is non trivial, so a 'real' solution in that direction is not around the corner, and will never

Re: [Kicad-developers] PATCH: To facilitate easier Via Curtain/Filling

2015-12-19 Thread Strontium
Hi Piers, On 20/12/15 00:24, Piers Titus van der Torren wrote: Hi Wayne, If I can add my thoughts, I think Steven has a fair point that tracking zones in the DRC is non trivial, so a 'real' solution in that direction is not around the corner, and will never be perfect either. Yes, I think

Re: [Kicad-developers] PATCH: To facilitate easier Via Curtain/Filling

2015-12-16 Thread Torsten Hüter
. Dezember 2015 um 02:49 Uhr Von: Strontium <strnty...@gmail.com> An: kicad-developers@lists.launchpad.net Betreff: Re: [Kicad-developers] PATCH: To facilitate easier Via Curtain/Filling Hi Wayne, Everyone, This is the process now. If you have a fill zone, and you start to lay a track within it,

Re: [Kicad-developers] PATCH: To facilitate easier Via Curtain/Filling

2015-12-16 Thread Strontium
.launchpad.net *Betreff:* Re: [Kicad-developers] PATCH: To facilitate easier Via Curtain/Filling Hi Wayne, Everyone, This is the process now. If you have a fill zone, and you start to lay a track within it, KiCad will assign that track/via to the net of the zone of the layer you are on. AND, as a

Re: [Kicad-developers] PATCH: To facilitate easier Via Curtain/Filling

2015-12-16 Thread Wayne Stambaugh
Steve, You have written a well thought out argument for fixing the DRC. If we fix the DRC via checking code, your patch would be unnecessary. This is why I am reluctant to commit it. If I commit your patch, when we finally do get around to fixing the DRC, someone will have to remember to

Re: [Kicad-developers] PATCH: To facilitate easier Via Curtain/Filling

2015-12-15 Thread Tomasz Wlostowski
On 15.12.2015 16:52, Wayne Stambaugh wrote: > Sorry I didn't respond to this sooner but I've been busy. I'm not > thrilled with this idea. I know it solves the immediate problem but it > is an incomplete solution. Hi Wayne, I surely agree that changing just the net propagation algorithm is not

Re: [Kicad-developers] PATCH: To facilitate easier Via Curtain/Filling

2015-12-15 Thread Wayne Stambaugh
Sorry I didn't respond to this sooner but I've been busy. I'm not thrilled with this idea. I know it solves the immediate problem but it is an incomplete solution. I would rather we do a complete free via implementation and not introduce a stop gap measure into Pcbnew. We've discussed the idea

Re: [Kicad-developers] PATCH: To facilitate easier Via Curtain/Filling

2015-12-15 Thread jp charras
Le 15/12/2015 18:44, Tomasz Wlostowski a écrit : > On 15.12.2015 16:52, Wayne Stambaugh wrote: >> Sorry I didn't respond to this sooner but I've been busy. I'm not >> thrilled with this idea. I know it solves the immediate problem but it >> is an incomplete solution. > > Hi Wayne, > > I surely

Re: [Kicad-developers] PATCH: To facilitate easier Via Curtain/Filling

2015-12-15 Thread Tomasz Wlostowski
On 15.12.2015 19:09, jp charras wrote: > Le 15/12/2015 18:44, Tomasz Wlostowski a écrit : >> On 15.12.2015 16:52, Wayne Stambaugh wrote: >>> Sorry I didn't respond to this sooner but I've been busy. I'm not >>> thrilled with this idea. I know it solves the immediate problem but it >>> is an

Re: [Kicad-developers] PATCH: To facilitate easier Via Curtain/Filling

2015-12-15 Thread Torsten Hüter
Hi Wayne & Jean-Pierre,   please consider also my implementation, I've announced this already (April/August 2015) on the mailing list:   https://lists.launchpad.net/kicad-developers/msg19584.html   Now is the stable release finished and we can talk about this.   I'm using there pads for

Re: [Kicad-developers] PATCH: To facilitate easier Via Curtain/Filling

2015-12-15 Thread Wayne Stambaugh
On 12/15/2015 12:44 PM, Tomasz Wlostowski wrote: > On 15.12.2015 16:52, Wayne Stambaugh wrote: >> Sorry I didn't respond to this sooner but I've been busy. I'm not >> thrilled with this idea. I know it solves the immediate problem but it >> is an incomplete solution. > > Hi Wayne, > > I surely

Re: [Kicad-developers] PATCH: To facilitate easier Via Curtain/Filling

2015-12-15 Thread Strontium
Hi Wayne, Everyone, This is the process now. If you have a fill zone, and you start to lay a track within it, KiCad will assign that track/via to the net of the zone of the layer you are on. AND, as a board Designer, that's exactly what you would expect. But then, following this design

Re: [Kicad-developers] PATCH: To facilitate easier Via Curtain/Filling

2015-12-14 Thread Tomasz Wlostowski
On 12.12.2015 02:41, Strontium wrote: > This change should not break or modify any current behaviour, EXCEPT to > retain the nets of tracks/vias which Kicad is otherwise incapable of > determining automatically. Hi Steven, Thanks for the patch, it also (partially) fixes the via stitching issue

Re: [Kicad-developers] PATCH: To facilitate easier Via Curtain/Filling

2015-12-14 Thread Strontium
Hi Thomas, I considered this, but tracking zones is non trivial. For example, imagine the stackup: GND VCC GND VCC A Through Via, from top to bottom could be connected validly connected to either GND or VCC. Once the net is removed from the via by the reassignment pass, there is no longer

Re: [Kicad-developers] PATCH: To facilitate easier Via Curtain/Filling

2015-12-14 Thread Tomasz Wlostowski
On 14.12.2015 14:40, Strontium wrote: > Hi Thomas, > > I considered this, but tracking zones is non trivial. > > For example, imagine the stackup: > > GND > VCC > GND > VCC > > A Through Via, from top to bottom could be connected validly connected > to either GND or VCC. > > Once the net is

[Kicad-developers] PATCH: To facilitate easier Via Curtain/Filling

2015-12-11 Thread Strontium
I am working on a couple of RF designs, proper layout requires the use of "Via Curtains/Via Filling", Further they are HDI boards and I am using both through-hole and micro vias. I am aware of the "Pro Tip" which suggests simulating a via with a component with a single pad. The "Pro-Tip"