Re: [Kicad-developers] DIALOG_ORIENT_FOOTPRINTS

[Chris Pavlina]

It's gone :)

On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at 08:25:48AM -0400, Wayne Stambaugh wrote:
> Since we have enough alternative methods for rotating a block of
> footprints, I don't think removing this is going to be much of a burden
> on anyone.
> 
> On 4/13/2016 5:35 AM, Chris Pavlina wrote:
> > Just rotate them first, then place. We don't need specific tools for
> > every conceivable permutation of movements. Unless even more people come
> > in saying they need this, or Wayne overrides me... I still don't think
> > this needs to stay.
> > 
> > On Apr 13, 2016 02:16, "David Godfrey"  > > wrote:
> > 
> > Hi Chris,
> > 
> > A rotation of the selection is not the same as a rotation of the
> > individual components.
> > Consider you already have the components roughly in a grid, and you need
> > to rotate them by 20 degrees.
> > Rotating the selection means you have to do major repositioning of every
> > component to get them back in the correct area.
> > 
> > However rotating the components within the selection means they are
> > still in about the right position, so only minor placement adjustments
> > are required.
> > These minor adjustments can likely be made using the align and
> > distribute tools
> > 
> > I Agree half-implemented features are bad, better to update them and
> > properly implement.
> > 
> > Regards
> > David G
> > 
> > On 13/04/16 08:53, Chris Pavlina wrote:
> > > GAL already has this. Block or multi select, Ctrl-M for "move
> > exactly" (or use
> > > the context menu), and type an angle. Just rotates the whole
> > selection, then
> > > you can place your rotated resistors.
> > >
> > > Considering legacy is on its way out, I'd rather not keep crusty old
> > > half-implemented legacy features around to require maintenance.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at 08:50:38AM +0800, David Godfrey wrote:
> > >> Hmm,
> > >>
> > >> I'v not used it on Kicad but the ability to change the
> > orientation of an
> > >> arbitrary selection of footprints is something I've used many
> > times in
> > >> Altium.
> > >>
> > >> Ideally you want to be able to set an absolute orientation, and
> > also a
> > >> relative (to current) angle adjustment.
> > >>
> > >> This is especially useful when designing boards like LED matrices and
> > >> wanting to put all resisters on a specific angle (eg: 21.3deg).
> > >> You can then do an array alignment with the same outer limit you used
> > >> for your LED alignment.
> > >> Then move the group of resistors into position relative to the LED's.
> > >>
> > >> Now running your tracks becomes trivial.
> > >>
> > >> Without the ability to auto adjust the orientation on a selection of
> > >> parts the job becomes long and tedious.
> > >> Some of the PCB's I've done this on have over 1000 LED's and
> > resistors,
> > >> and generally you need to orient both the resistors and the LED's
> > >>
> > >> So in summary, I'd like to keep the ability to do this, but on a
> > >> selection instead of globally.
> > >> And being able to alter it as an absolute angle, or as a relative to
> > >> current (prefix the new angle with + or - to get relative movement)
> > >> would be beneficial.
> > >>
> > >> Regards
> > >> David G
> > >>
> > >> On 13/04/16 06:40, Chris Pavlina wrote:
> > >>> I wonder how many of you are even aware of
> > DIALOG_ORIENT_FOOTPRINTS. It's
> > >>> hidden in the Secret Menu in pcbnew (the spread-and-place) one,
> > menu item
> > >>> Orient All Footprints. The code hasn't been touched since 2010
> > except a few
> > >>> cleanups, and it seems really simplistic and useless to me. I
> > was going to
> > >>> upgrade it to floating-point angle entry like everything else,
> > but
> > >>>
> > >>> Does _anybody_ even use this? It seems utterly useless. I have
> > no idea when
> > >>> you'd want to globally apply an orientation to footprints. Can I
> > just tear it
> > >>> out?  :P
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>
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Re: [Kicad-developers] DIALOG_ORIENT_FOOTPRINTS

[Chris Pavlina]

The response on the forum has also been an overwhelming "rip it out".

On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at 08:25:48AM -0400, Wayne Stambaugh wrote:
> Since we have enough alternative methods for rotating a block of
> footprints, I don't think removing this is going to be much of a burden
> on anyone.
> 
> On 4/13/2016 5:35 AM, Chris Pavlina wrote:
> > Just rotate them first, then place. We don't need specific tools for
> > every conceivable permutation of movements. Unless even more people come
> > in saying they need this, or Wayne overrides me... I still don't think
> > this needs to stay.
> > 
> > On Apr 13, 2016 02:16, "David Godfrey"  > > wrote:
> > 
> > Hi Chris,
> > 
> > A rotation of the selection is not the same as a rotation of the
> > individual components.
> > Consider you already have the components roughly in a grid, and you need
> > to rotate them by 20 degrees.
> > Rotating the selection means you have to do major repositioning of every
> > component to get them back in the correct area.
> > 
> > However rotating the components within the selection means they are
> > still in about the right position, so only minor placement adjustments
> > are required.
> > These minor adjustments can likely be made using the align and
> > distribute tools
> > 
> > I Agree half-implemented features are bad, better to update them and
> > properly implement.
> > 
> > Regards
> > David G
> > 
> > On 13/04/16 08:53, Chris Pavlina wrote:
> > > GAL already has this. Block or multi select, Ctrl-M for "move
> > exactly" (or use
> > > the context menu), and type an angle. Just rotates the whole
> > selection, then
> > > you can place your rotated resistors.
> > >
> > > Considering legacy is on its way out, I'd rather not keep crusty old
> > > half-implemented legacy features around to require maintenance.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at 08:50:38AM +0800, David Godfrey wrote:
> > >> Hmm,
> > >>
> > >> I'v not used it on Kicad but the ability to change the
> > orientation of an
> > >> arbitrary selection of footprints is something I've used many
> > times in
> > >> Altium.
> > >>
> > >> Ideally you want to be able to set an absolute orientation, and
> > also a
> > >> relative (to current) angle adjustment.
> > >>
> > >> This is especially useful when designing boards like LED matrices and
> > >> wanting to put all resisters on a specific angle (eg: 21.3deg).
> > >> You can then do an array alignment with the same outer limit you used
> > >> for your LED alignment.
> > >> Then move the group of resistors into position relative to the LED's.
> > >>
> > >> Now running your tracks becomes trivial.
> > >>
> > >> Without the ability to auto adjust the orientation on a selection of
> > >> parts the job becomes long and tedious.
> > >> Some of the PCB's I've done this on have over 1000 LED's and
> > resistors,
> > >> and generally you need to orient both the resistors and the LED's
> > >>
> > >> So in summary, I'd like to keep the ability to do this, but on a
> > >> selection instead of globally.
> > >> And being able to alter it as an absolute angle, or as a relative to
> > >> current (prefix the new angle with + or - to get relative movement)
> > >> would be beneficial.
> > >>
> > >> Regards
> > >> David G
> > >>
> > >> On 13/04/16 06:40, Chris Pavlina wrote:
> > >>> I wonder how many of you are even aware of
> > DIALOG_ORIENT_FOOTPRINTS. It's
> > >>> hidden in the Secret Menu in pcbnew (the spread-and-place) one,
> > menu item
> > >>> Orient All Footprints. The code hasn't been touched since 2010
> > except a few
> > >>> cleanups, and it seems really simplistic and useless to me. I
> > was going to
> > >>> upgrade it to floating-point angle entry like everything else,
> > but
> > >>>
> > >>> Does _anybody_ even use this? It seems utterly useless. I have
> > no idea when
> > >>> you'd want to globally apply an orientation to footprints. Can I
> > just tear it
> > >>> out?  :P
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>
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Re: [Kicad-developers] DIALOG_ORIENT_FOOTPRINTS

[Nick Østergaard]

You can achieve exactly this with the move exact and array tools.

2016-04-13 8:16 GMT+02:00 David Godfrey :
> Hi Chris,
>
> A rotation of the selection is not the same as a rotation of the
> individual components.
> Consider you already have the components roughly in a grid, and you need
> to rotate them by 20 degrees.
> Rotating the selection means you have to do major repositioning of every
> component to get them back in the correct area.
>
> However rotating the components within the selection means they are
> still in about the right position, so only minor placement adjustments
> are required.
> These minor adjustments can likely be made using the align and
> distribute tools
>
> I Agree half-implemented features are bad, better to update them and
> properly implement.
>
> Regards
> David G
>
> On 13/04/16 08:53, Chris Pavlina wrote:
>> GAL already has this. Block or multi select, Ctrl-M for "move exactly" (or 
>> use
>> the context menu), and type an angle. Just rotates the whole selection, then
>> you can place your rotated resistors.
>>
>> Considering legacy is on its way out, I'd rather not keep crusty old
>> half-implemented legacy features around to require maintenance.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at 08:50:38AM +0800, David Godfrey wrote:
>>> Hmm,
>>>
>>> I'v not used it on Kicad but the ability to change the orientation of an
>>> arbitrary selection of footprints is something I've used many times in
>>> Altium.
>>>
>>> Ideally you want to be able to set an absolute orientation, and also a
>>> relative (to current) angle adjustment.
>>>
>>> This is especially useful when designing boards like LED matrices and
>>> wanting to put all resisters on a specific angle (eg: 21.3deg).
>>> You can then do an array alignment with the same outer limit you used
>>> for your LED alignment.
>>> Then move the group of resistors into position relative to the LED's.
>>>
>>> Now running your tracks becomes trivial.
>>>
>>> Without the ability to auto adjust the orientation on a selection of
>>> parts the job becomes long and tedious.
>>> Some of the PCB's I've done this on have over 1000 LED's and resistors,
>>> and generally you need to orient both the resistors and the LED's
>>>
>>> So in summary, I'd like to keep the ability to do this, but on a
>>> selection instead of globally.
>>> And being able to alter it as an absolute angle, or as a relative to
>>> current (prefix the new angle with + or - to get relative movement)
>>> would be beneficial.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> David G
>>>
>>> On 13/04/16 06:40, Chris Pavlina wrote:
 I wonder how many of you are even aware of DIALOG_ORIENT_FOOTPRINTS. It's
 hidden in the Secret Menu in pcbnew (the spread-and-place) one, menu item
 Orient All Footprints. The code hasn't been touched since 2010 except a few
 cleanups, and it seems really simplistic and useless to me. I was going to
 upgrade it to floating-point angle entry like everything else, but

 Does _anybody_ even use this? It seems utterly useless. I have no idea when
 you'd want to globally apply an orientation to footprints. Can I just tear 
 it
 out?  :P

>>>
>>>
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Re: [Kicad-developers] DIALOG_ORIENT_FOOTPRINTS

[Wayne Stambaugh]

Since we have enough alternative methods for rotating a block of
footprints, I don't think removing this is going to be much of a burden
on anyone.

On 4/13/2016 5:35 AM, Chris Pavlina wrote:
> Just rotate them first, then place. We don't need specific tools for
> every conceivable permutation of movements. Unless even more people come
> in saying they need this, or Wayne overrides me... I still don't think
> this needs to stay.
> 
> On Apr 13, 2016 02:16, "David Godfrey"  > wrote:
> 
> Hi Chris,
> 
> A rotation of the selection is not the same as a rotation of the
> individual components.
> Consider you already have the components roughly in a grid, and you need
> to rotate them by 20 degrees.
> Rotating the selection means you have to do major repositioning of every
> component to get them back in the correct area.
> 
> However rotating the components within the selection means they are
> still in about the right position, so only minor placement adjustments
> are required.
> These minor adjustments can likely be made using the align and
> distribute tools
> 
> I Agree half-implemented features are bad, better to update them and
> properly implement.
> 
> Regards
> David G
> 
> On 13/04/16 08:53, Chris Pavlina wrote:
> > GAL already has this. Block or multi select, Ctrl-M for "move
> exactly" (or use
> > the context menu), and type an angle. Just rotates the whole
> selection, then
> > you can place your rotated resistors.
> >
> > Considering legacy is on its way out, I'd rather not keep crusty old
> > half-implemented legacy features around to require maintenance.
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at 08:50:38AM +0800, David Godfrey wrote:
> >> Hmm,
> >>
> >> I'v not used it on Kicad but the ability to change the
> orientation of an
> >> arbitrary selection of footprints is something I've used many
> times in
> >> Altium.
> >>
> >> Ideally you want to be able to set an absolute orientation, and
> also a
> >> relative (to current) angle adjustment.
> >>
> >> This is especially useful when designing boards like LED matrices and
> >> wanting to put all resisters on a specific angle (eg: 21.3deg).
> >> You can then do an array alignment with the same outer limit you used
> >> for your LED alignment.
> >> Then move the group of resistors into position relative to the LED's.
> >>
> >> Now running your tracks becomes trivial.
> >>
> >> Without the ability to auto adjust the orientation on a selection of
> >> parts the job becomes long and tedious.
> >> Some of the PCB's I've done this on have over 1000 LED's and
> resistors,
> >> and generally you need to orient both the resistors and the LED's
> >>
> >> So in summary, I'd like to keep the ability to do this, but on a
> >> selection instead of globally.
> >> And being able to alter it as an absolute angle, or as a relative to
> >> current (prefix the new angle with + or - to get relative movement)
> >> would be beneficial.
> >>
> >> Regards
> >> David G
> >>
> >> On 13/04/16 06:40, Chris Pavlina wrote:
> >>> I wonder how many of you are even aware of
> DIALOG_ORIENT_FOOTPRINTS. It's
> >>> hidden in the Secret Menu in pcbnew (the spread-and-place) one,
> menu item
> >>> Orient All Footprints. The code hasn't been touched since 2010
> except a few
> >>> cleanups, and it seems really simplistic and useless to me. I
> was going to
> >>> upgrade it to floating-point angle entry like everything else,
> but
> >>>
> >>> Does _anybody_ even use this? It seems utterly useless. I have
> no idea when
> >>> you'd want to globally apply an orientation to footprints. Can I
> just tear it
> >>> out?  :P
> >>>
> >>
> >>
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Re: [Kicad-developers] DIALOG_ORIENT_FOOTPRINTS

[Chris Pavlina]

Yup, this is the way to do it. A generic tool for doing all of these sort
of batch edit ops, not a specific "orient all footprints" tool.
On Apr 13, 2016 05:42, "Tomasz Wlostowski" 
wrote:

> On 13.04.2016 11:35, Chris Pavlina wrote:
> > Just rotate them first, then place. We don't need specific tools for
> > every conceivable permutation of movements. Unless even more people come
> > in saying they need this, or Wayne overrides me... I still don't think
> > this needs to stay.
>
> Hi Chris,
>
> There's even a work package in the roadmap (property system & inspector
> tool) for such 'rare' operations. Select a number of items, open a table
> with common properties (e.g. x, y, locked, orientation, size) and set
> the orientation to the desired value.
>
> Cheers,
> Tom
>
>
>
>
> >
> > On Apr 13, 2016 02:16, "David Godfrey"  > > wrote:
> >
> > Hi Chris,
> >
> > A rotation of the selection is not the same as a rotation of the
> > individual components.
> > Consider you already have the components roughly in a grid, and you
> need
> > to rotate them by 20 degrees.
> > Rotating the selection means you have to do major repositioning of
> every
> > component to get them back in the correct area.
> >
> > However rotating the components within the selection means they are
> > still in about the right position, so only minor placement
> adjustments
> > are required.
> > These minor adjustments can likely be made using the align and
> > distribute tools
> >
> > I Agree half-implemented features are bad, better to update them and
> > properly implement.
> >
> > Regards
> > David G
> >
> > On 13/04/16 08:53, Chris Pavlina wrote:
> > > GAL already has this. Block or multi select, Ctrl-M for "move
> > exactly" (or use
> > > the context menu), and type an angle. Just rotates the whole
> > selection, then
> > > you can place your rotated resistors.
> > >
> > > Considering legacy is on its way out, I'd rather not keep crusty
> old
> > > half-implemented legacy features around to require maintenance.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at 08:50:38AM +0800, David Godfrey wrote:
> > >> Hmm,
> > >>
> > >> I'v not used it on Kicad but the ability to change the
> > orientation of an
> > >> arbitrary selection of footprints is something I've used many
> > times in
> > >> Altium.
> > >>
> > >> Ideally you want to be able to set an absolute orientation, and
> > also a
> > >> relative (to current) angle adjustment.
> > >>
> > >> This is especially useful when designing boards like LED matrices
> and
> > >> wanting to put all resisters on a specific angle (eg: 21.3deg).
> > >> You can then do an array alignment with the same outer limit you
> used
> > >> for your LED alignment.
> > >> Then move the group of resistors into position relative to the
> LED's.
> > >>
> > >> Now running your tracks becomes trivial.
> > >>
> > >> Without the ability to auto adjust the orientation on a selection
> of
> > >> parts the job becomes long and tedious.
> > >> Some of the PCB's I've done this on have over 1000 LED's and
> > resistors,
> > >> and generally you need to orient both the resistors and the LED's
> > >>
> > >> So in summary, I'd like to keep the ability to do this, but on a
> > >> selection instead of globally.
> > >> And being able to alter it as an absolute angle, or as a relative
> to
> > >> current (prefix the new angle with + or - to get relative
> movement)
> > >> would be beneficial.
> > >>
> > >> Regards
> > >> David G
> > >>
> > >> On 13/04/16 06:40, Chris Pavlina wrote:
> > >>> I wonder how many of you are even aware of
> > DIALOG_ORIENT_FOOTPRINTS. It's
> > >>> hidden in the Secret Menu in pcbnew (the spread-and-place) one,
> > menu item
> > >>> Orient All Footprints. The code hasn't been touched since 2010
> > except a few
> > >>> cleanups, and it seems really simplistic and useless to me. I
> > was going to
> > >>> upgrade it to floating-point angle entry like everything else,
> > but
> > >>>
> > >>> Does _anybody_ even use this? It seems utterly useless. I have
> > no idea when
> > >>> you'd want to globally apply an orientation to footprints. Can I
> > just tear it
> > >>> out?  :P
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>
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Re: [Kicad-developers] DIALOG_ORIENT_FOOTPRINTS

[Tomasz Wlostowski]

On 13.04.2016 11:35, Chris Pavlina wrote:
> Just rotate them first, then place. We don't need specific tools for
> every conceivable permutation of movements. Unless even more people come
> in saying they need this, or Wayne overrides me... I still don't think
> this needs to stay.

Hi Chris,

There's even a work package in the roadmap (property system & inspector
tool) for such 'rare' operations. Select a number of items, open a table
with common properties (e.g. x, y, locked, orientation, size) and set
the orientation to the desired value.

Cheers,
Tom




> 
> On Apr 13, 2016 02:16, "David Godfrey"  > wrote:
> 
> Hi Chris,
> 
> A rotation of the selection is not the same as a rotation of the
> individual components.
> Consider you already have the components roughly in a grid, and you need
> to rotate them by 20 degrees.
> Rotating the selection means you have to do major repositioning of every
> component to get them back in the correct area.
> 
> However rotating the components within the selection means they are
> still in about the right position, so only minor placement adjustments
> are required.
> These minor adjustments can likely be made using the align and
> distribute tools
> 
> I Agree half-implemented features are bad, better to update them and
> properly implement.
> 
> Regards
> David G
> 
> On 13/04/16 08:53, Chris Pavlina wrote:
> > GAL already has this. Block or multi select, Ctrl-M for "move
> exactly" (or use
> > the context menu), and type an angle. Just rotates the whole
> selection, then
> > you can place your rotated resistors.
> >
> > Considering legacy is on its way out, I'd rather not keep crusty old
> > half-implemented legacy features around to require maintenance.
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at 08:50:38AM +0800, David Godfrey wrote:
> >> Hmm,
> >>
> >> I'v not used it on Kicad but the ability to change the
> orientation of an
> >> arbitrary selection of footprints is something I've used many
> times in
> >> Altium.
> >>
> >> Ideally you want to be able to set an absolute orientation, and
> also a
> >> relative (to current) angle adjustment.
> >>
> >> This is especially useful when designing boards like LED matrices and
> >> wanting to put all resisters on a specific angle (eg: 21.3deg).
> >> You can then do an array alignment with the same outer limit you used
> >> for your LED alignment.
> >> Then move the group of resistors into position relative to the LED's.
> >>
> >> Now running your tracks becomes trivial.
> >>
> >> Without the ability to auto adjust the orientation on a selection of
> >> parts the job becomes long and tedious.
> >> Some of the PCB's I've done this on have over 1000 LED's and
> resistors,
> >> and generally you need to orient both the resistors and the LED's
> >>
> >> So in summary, I'd like to keep the ability to do this, but on a
> >> selection instead of globally.
> >> And being able to alter it as an absolute angle, or as a relative to
> >> current (prefix the new angle with + or - to get relative movement)
> >> would be beneficial.
> >>
> >> Regards
> >> David G
> >>
> >> On 13/04/16 06:40, Chris Pavlina wrote:
> >>> I wonder how many of you are even aware of
> DIALOG_ORIENT_FOOTPRINTS. It's
> >>> hidden in the Secret Menu in pcbnew (the spread-and-place) one,
> menu item
> >>> Orient All Footprints. The code hasn't been touched since 2010
> except a few
> >>> cleanups, and it seems really simplistic and useless to me. I
> was going to
> >>> upgrade it to floating-point angle entry like everything else,
> but
> >>>
> >>> Does _anybody_ even use this? It seems utterly useless. I have
> no idea when
> >>> you'd want to globally apply an orientation to footprints. Can I
> just tear it
> >>> out?  :P
> >>>
> >>
> >>
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Re: [Kicad-developers] DIALOG_ORIENT_FOOTPRINTS

[Chris Pavlina]

Just rotate them first, then place. We don't need specific tools for every
conceivable permutation of movements. Unless even more people come in
saying they need this, or Wayne overrides me... I still don't think this
needs to stay.
On Apr 13, 2016 02:16, "David Godfrey"  wrote:

> Hi Chris,
>
> A rotation of the selection is not the same as a rotation of the
> individual components.
> Consider you already have the components roughly in a grid, and you need
> to rotate them by 20 degrees.
> Rotating the selection means you have to do major repositioning of every
> component to get them back in the correct area.
>
> However rotating the components within the selection means they are
> still in about the right position, so only minor placement adjustments
> are required.
> These minor adjustments can likely be made using the align and
> distribute tools
>
> I Agree half-implemented features are bad, better to update them and
> properly implement.
>
> Regards
> David G
>
> On 13/04/16 08:53, Chris Pavlina wrote:
> > GAL already has this. Block or multi select, Ctrl-M for "move exactly"
> (or use
> > the context menu), and type an angle. Just rotates the whole selection,
> then
> > you can place your rotated resistors.
> >
> > Considering legacy is on its way out, I'd rather not keep crusty old
> > half-implemented legacy features around to require maintenance.
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at 08:50:38AM +0800, David Godfrey wrote:
> >> Hmm,
> >>
> >> I'v not used it on Kicad but the ability to change the orientation of an
> >> arbitrary selection of footprints is something I've used many times in
> >> Altium.
> >>
> >> Ideally you want to be able to set an absolute orientation, and also a
> >> relative (to current) angle adjustment.
> >>
> >> This is especially useful when designing boards like LED matrices and
> >> wanting to put all resisters on a specific angle (eg: 21.3deg).
> >> You can then do an array alignment with the same outer limit you used
> >> for your LED alignment.
> >> Then move the group of resistors into position relative to the LED's.
> >>
> >> Now running your tracks becomes trivial.
> >>
> >> Without the ability to auto adjust the orientation on a selection of
> >> parts the job becomes long and tedious.
> >> Some of the PCB's I've done this on have over 1000 LED's and resistors,
> >> and generally you need to orient both the resistors and the LED's
> >>
> >> So in summary, I'd like to keep the ability to do this, but on a
> >> selection instead of globally.
> >> And being able to alter it as an absolute angle, or as a relative to
> >> current (prefix the new angle with + or - to get relative movement)
> >> would be beneficial.
> >>
> >> Regards
> >> David G
> >>
> >> On 13/04/16 06:40, Chris Pavlina wrote:
> >>> I wonder how many of you are even aware of DIALOG_ORIENT_FOOTPRINTS.
> It's
> >>> hidden in the Secret Menu in pcbnew (the spread-and-place) one, menu
> item
> >>> Orient All Footprints. The code hasn't been touched since 2010 except
> a few
> >>> cleanups, and it seems really simplistic and useless to me. I was
> going to
> >>> upgrade it to floating-point angle entry like everything else, but
> >>>
> >>> Does _anybody_ even use this? It seems utterly useless. I have no idea
> when
> >>> you'd want to globally apply an orientation to footprints. Can I just
> tear it
> >>> out?  :P
> >>>
> >>
> >>
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Re: [Kicad-developers] DIALOG_ORIENT_FOOTPRINTS

[jp charras]

Le 13/04/2016 09:47, Clemens Koller a écrit :
> Hello, There!
> 
> I didn't use that functionality in KiCad, but in my other designtool I ran 
> into
> the following case:
> 
> - There is a finished design X.
> 
> - The footprint library envolves over a year and lots of footprints
> get migrated in it's zero orientation from pin 1 is on lower left to
> pin 1 is on upper left.
> 
> - Now, design X needs an update. I want to update all my footprints to
> be up-to-date with my latest library.
> Then, the footprints with the changed zero orientation need an additional
> added +-90° or +-270° rotation while they get updated from library.
> This was not easy to achieve without manual work.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Clemens
> 

Yes, I understand.

The old dialog set a given orientation to all specified footprints.
This is not an incremental rotation.
This is not what you need.

And new footprints can have an other orientation, but also an other anchor 
position and other subtle
changes.

What you want is more a job for a python script.

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Re: [Kicad-developers] DIALOG_ORIENT_FOOTPRINTS

[Clemens Koller]

Hello, There!

I didn't use that functionality in KiCad, but in my other designtool I ran into
the following case:

- There is a finished design X.

- The footprint library envolves over a year and lots of footprints
get migrated in it's zero orientation from pin 1 is on lower left to
pin 1 is on upper left.

- Now, design X needs an update. I want to update all my footprints to
be up-to-date with my latest library.
Then, the footprints with the changed zero orientation need an additional
added +-90° or +-270° rotation while they get updated from library.
This was not easy to achieve without manual work.

Regards,

Clemens


On 2016-04-13 08:16, David Godfrey wrote:
> Hi Chris,
> 
> A rotation of the selection is not the same as a rotation of the
> individual components.
> Consider you already have the components roughly in a grid, and you need
> to rotate them by 20 degrees.
> Rotating the selection means you have to do major repositioning of every
> component to get them back in the correct area.
> 
> However rotating the components within the selection means they are
> still in about the right position, so only minor placement adjustments
> are required.
> These minor adjustments can likely be made using the align and
> distribute tools
> 
> I Agree half-implemented features are bad, better to update them and
> properly implement.
> 
> Regards
> David G
> 
> On 13/04/16 08:53, Chris Pavlina wrote:
>> GAL already has this. Block or multi select, Ctrl-M for "move exactly" (or 
>> use
>> the context menu), and type an angle. Just rotates the whole selection, then
>> you can place your rotated resistors.
>>
>> Considering legacy is on its way out, I'd rather not keep crusty old
>> half-implemented legacy features around to require maintenance.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at 08:50:38AM +0800, David Godfrey wrote:
>>> Hmm,
>>>
>>> I'v not used it on Kicad but the ability to change the orientation of an
>>> arbitrary selection of footprints is something I've used many times in
>>> Altium.
>>>
>>> Ideally you want to be able to set an absolute orientation, and also a
>>> relative (to current) angle adjustment.
>>>
>>> This is especially useful when designing boards like LED matrices and
>>> wanting to put all resisters on a specific angle (eg: 21.3deg).
>>> You can then do an array alignment with the same outer limit you used
>>> for your LED alignment.
>>> Then move the group of resistors into position relative to the LED's.
>>>
>>> Now running your tracks becomes trivial.
>>>
>>> Without the ability to auto adjust the orientation on a selection of
>>> parts the job becomes long and tedious.
>>> Some of the PCB's I've done this on have over 1000 LED's and resistors,
>>> and generally you need to orient both the resistors and the LED's
>>>
>>> So in summary, I'd like to keep the ability to do this, but on a
>>> selection instead of globally.
>>> And being able to alter it as an absolute angle, or as a relative to
>>> current (prefix the new angle with + or - to get relative movement)
>>> would be beneficial.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> David G
>>>
>>> On 13/04/16 06:40, Chris Pavlina wrote:
 I wonder how many of you are even aware of DIALOG_ORIENT_FOOTPRINTS. It's
 hidden in the Secret Menu in pcbnew (the spread-and-place) one, menu item
 Orient All Footprints. The code hasn't been touched since 2010 except a few
 cleanups, and it seems really simplistic and useless to me. I was going to
 upgrade it to floating-point angle entry like everything else, but

 Does _anybody_ even use this? It seems utterly useless. I have no idea when
 you'd want to globally apply an orientation to footprints. Can I just tear 
 it
 out?  :P

>>>
>>>
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Re: [Kicad-developers] DIALOG_ORIENT_FOOTPRINTS

[jp charras]

Le 13/04/2016 02:53, Chris Pavlina a écrit :
> GAL already has this. Block or multi select, Ctrl-M for "move exactly" (or use
> the context menu), and type an angle. Just rotates the whole selection, then
> you can place your rotated resistors.
> 
> Considering legacy is on its way out, I'd rather not keep crusty old
> half-implemented legacy features around to require maintenance.
> 

This dialog is a relic.
I added it at the beginning of the Pcbnew, when I want to explore 
auto-placement of footprints.

>From my point of view, it has no interest and can be safely removed.
If some users want to rotate footprints after loading them, the block rotate 
makes the same thing.


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Re: [Kicad-developers] DIALOG_ORIENT_FOOTPRINTS

[David Godfrey]

Hi Chris,

A rotation of the selection is not the same as a rotation of the
individual components.
Consider you already have the components roughly in a grid, and you need
to rotate them by 20 degrees.
Rotating the selection means you have to do major repositioning of every
component to get them back in the correct area.

However rotating the components within the selection means they are
still in about the right position, so only minor placement adjustments
are required.
These minor adjustments can likely be made using the align and
distribute tools

I Agree half-implemented features are bad, better to update them and
properly implement.

Regards
David G

On 13/04/16 08:53, Chris Pavlina wrote:
> GAL already has this. Block or multi select, Ctrl-M for "move exactly" (or use
> the context menu), and type an angle. Just rotates the whole selection, then
> you can place your rotated resistors.
>
> Considering legacy is on its way out, I'd rather not keep crusty old
> half-implemented legacy features around to require maintenance.
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at 08:50:38AM +0800, David Godfrey wrote:
>> Hmm,
>>
>> I'v not used it on Kicad but the ability to change the orientation of an
>> arbitrary selection of footprints is something I've used many times in
>> Altium.
>>
>> Ideally you want to be able to set an absolute orientation, and also a
>> relative (to current) angle adjustment.
>>
>> This is especially useful when designing boards like LED matrices and
>> wanting to put all resisters on a specific angle (eg: 21.3deg).
>> You can then do an array alignment with the same outer limit you used
>> for your LED alignment.
>> Then move the group of resistors into position relative to the LED's.
>>
>> Now running your tracks becomes trivial.
>>
>> Without the ability to auto adjust the orientation on a selection of
>> parts the job becomes long and tedious.
>> Some of the PCB's I've done this on have over 1000 LED's and resistors,
>> and generally you need to orient both the resistors and the LED's
>>
>> So in summary, I'd like to keep the ability to do this, but on a
>> selection instead of globally.
>> And being able to alter it as an absolute angle, or as a relative to
>> current (prefix the new angle with + or - to get relative movement)
>> would be beneficial.
>>
>> Regards
>> David G
>>
>> On 13/04/16 06:40, Chris Pavlina wrote:
>>> I wonder how many of you are even aware of DIALOG_ORIENT_FOOTPRINTS. It's
>>> hidden in the Secret Menu in pcbnew (the spread-and-place) one, menu item
>>> Orient All Footprints. The code hasn't been touched since 2010 except a few
>>> cleanups, and it seems really simplistic and useless to me. I was going to
>>> upgrade it to floating-point angle entry like everything else, but
>>>
>>> Does _anybody_ even use this? It seems utterly useless. I have no idea when
>>> you'd want to globally apply an orientation to footprints. Can I just tear 
>>> it
>>> out?  :P
>>>
>>
>>
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Re: [Kicad-developers] DIALOG_ORIENT_FOOTPRINTS

[Chris Pavlina]

GAL already has this. Block or multi select, Ctrl-M for "move exactly" (or use
the context menu), and type an angle. Just rotates the whole selection, then
you can place your rotated resistors.

Considering legacy is on its way out, I'd rather not keep crusty old
half-implemented legacy features around to require maintenance.


On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at 08:50:38AM +0800, David Godfrey wrote:
> Hmm,
> 
> I'v not used it on Kicad but the ability to change the orientation of an
> arbitrary selection of footprints is something I've used many times in
> Altium.
> 
> Ideally you want to be able to set an absolute orientation, and also a
> relative (to current) angle adjustment.
> 
> This is especially useful when designing boards like LED matrices and
> wanting to put all resisters on a specific angle (eg: 21.3deg).
> You can then do an array alignment with the same outer limit you used
> for your LED alignment.
> Then move the group of resistors into position relative to the LED's.
> 
> Now running your tracks becomes trivial.
> 
> Without the ability to auto adjust the orientation on a selection of
> parts the job becomes long and tedious.
> Some of the PCB's I've done this on have over 1000 LED's and resistors,
> and generally you need to orient both the resistors and the LED's
> 
> So in summary, I'd like to keep the ability to do this, but on a
> selection instead of globally.
> And being able to alter it as an absolute angle, or as a relative to
> current (prefix the new angle with + or - to get relative movement)
> would be beneficial.
> 
> Regards
> David G
> 
> On 13/04/16 06:40, Chris Pavlina wrote:
> > I wonder how many of you are even aware of DIALOG_ORIENT_FOOTPRINTS. It's
> > hidden in the Secret Menu in pcbnew (the spread-and-place) one, menu item
> > Orient All Footprints. The code hasn't been touched since 2010 except a few
> > cleanups, and it seems really simplistic and useless to me. I was going to
> > upgrade it to floating-point angle entry like everything else, but
> >
> > Does _anybody_ even use this? It seems utterly useless. I have no idea when
> > you'd want to globally apply an orientation to footprints. Can I just tear 
> > it
> > out?  :P
> >
> 
> 
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Re: [Kicad-developers] DIALOG_ORIENT_FOOTPRINTS

[David Godfrey]

Hmm,

I'v not used it on Kicad but the ability to change the orientation of an
arbitrary selection of footprints is something I've used many times in
Altium.

Ideally you want to be able to set an absolute orientation, and also a
relative (to current) angle adjustment.

This is especially useful when designing boards like LED matrices and
wanting to put all resisters on a specific angle (eg: 21.3deg).
You can then do an array alignment with the same outer limit you used
for your LED alignment.
Then move the group of resistors into position relative to the LED's.

Now running your tracks becomes trivial.

Without the ability to auto adjust the orientation on a selection of
parts the job becomes long and tedious.
Some of the PCB's I've done this on have over 1000 LED's and resistors,
and generally you need to orient both the resistors and the LED's

So in summary, I'd like to keep the ability to do this, but on a
selection instead of globally.
And being able to alter it as an absolute angle, or as a relative to
current (prefix the new angle with + or - to get relative movement)
would be beneficial.

Regards
David G

On 13/04/16 06:40, Chris Pavlina wrote:
> I wonder how many of you are even aware of DIALOG_ORIENT_FOOTPRINTS. It's
> hidden in the Secret Menu in pcbnew (the spread-and-place) one, menu item
> Orient All Footprints. The code hasn't been touched since 2010 except a few
> cleanups, and it seems really simplistic and useless to me. I was going to
> upgrade it to floating-point angle entry like everything else, but
>
> Does _anybody_ even use this? It seems utterly useless. I have no idea when
> you'd want to globally apply an orientation to footprints. Can I just tear it
> out?  :P
>



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Re: [Kicad-developers] DIALOG_ORIENT_FOOTPRINTS

[Simon Wells]

autorouter code as well :)

On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at 12:48 PM, Chris Pavlina  wrote:
> Yes, this is soundly on my "burn for warmth instead of maintaining" list, but 
> I
> think someone else may have stuck up for this one a while ago.
>
> On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at 12:43:50AM +, Jon Neal wrote:
>> In the same vein, what about the autoplace functions? I tried them a couple
>> of times just to see what they would do (really to see if it was worth it
>> to port over to GAL) and yikes. It is way, way too simplistic to do
>> anything useful and from the small amount I tested it has a handful of
>> issues with it.
>>
>> Jon
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 12, 2016 at 7:18 PM Chris Pavlina 
>> wrote:
>>
>> > I just asked on forum.kicad.info.
>> >
>> > On Tue, Apr 12, 2016 at 07:05:03PM -0400, Wayne Stambaugh wrote:
>> > > I've never used it.  Anyone else find it a must have?  You might want to
>> > > get some feedback from users to see if anyone would miss it.  It should
>> > > be undoable though.
>> > >
>> > > On 4/12/2016 6:54 PM, Chris Pavlina wrote:
>> > > > It's not even undoable - so not only is it kinda useless, it's
>> > _broken_.
>> > > >
>> > > > Please? It's so much nicer not to have to maintain this stuff. :D
>> > > >
>> > > > On Tue, Apr 12, 2016 at 06:40:07PM -0400, Chris Pavlina wrote:
>> > > >> I wonder how many of you are even aware of DIALOG_ORIENT_FOOTPRINTS.
>> > It's
>> > > >> hidden in the Secret Menu in pcbnew (the spread-and-place) one, menu
>> > item
>> > > >> Orient All Footprints. The code hasn't been touched since 2010 except
>> > a few
>> > > >> cleanups, and it seems really simplistic and useless to me. I was
>> > going to
>> > > >> upgrade it to floating-point angle entry like everything else, but
>> > > >>
>> > > >> Does _anybody_ even use this? It seems utterly useless. I have no
>> > idea when
>> > > >> you'd want to globally apply an orientation to footprints. Can I just
>> > tear it
>> > > >> out?  :P
>> > > >>
>> > > >> --
>> > > >> Chris
>> > > >
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Re: [Kicad-developers] DIALOG_ORIENT_FOOTPRINTS

[Chris Pavlina]

Yes, this is soundly on my "burn for warmth instead of maintaining" list, but I
think someone else may have stuck up for this one a while ago.

On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at 12:43:50AM +, Jon Neal wrote:
> In the same vein, what about the autoplace functions? I tried them a couple
> of times just to see what they would do (really to see if it was worth it
> to port over to GAL) and yikes. It is way, way too simplistic to do
> anything useful and from the small amount I tested it has a handful of
> issues with it.
> 
> Jon
> 
> On Tue, Apr 12, 2016 at 7:18 PM Chris Pavlina 
> wrote:
> 
> > I just asked on forum.kicad.info.
> >
> > On Tue, Apr 12, 2016 at 07:05:03PM -0400, Wayne Stambaugh wrote:
> > > I've never used it.  Anyone else find it a must have?  You might want to
> > > get some feedback from users to see if anyone would miss it.  It should
> > > be undoable though.
> > >
> > > On 4/12/2016 6:54 PM, Chris Pavlina wrote:
> > > > It's not even undoable - so not only is it kinda useless, it's
> > _broken_.
> > > >
> > > > Please? It's so much nicer not to have to maintain this stuff. :D
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Apr 12, 2016 at 06:40:07PM -0400, Chris Pavlina wrote:
> > > >> I wonder how many of you are even aware of DIALOG_ORIENT_FOOTPRINTS.
> > It's
> > > >> hidden in the Secret Menu in pcbnew (the spread-and-place) one, menu
> > item
> > > >> Orient All Footprints. The code hasn't been touched since 2010 except
> > a few
> > > >> cleanups, and it seems really simplistic and useless to me. I was
> > going to
> > > >> upgrade it to floating-point angle entry like everything else, but
> > > >>
> > > >> Does _anybody_ even use this? It seems utterly useless. I have no
> > idea when
> > > >> you'd want to globally apply an orientation to footprints. Can I just
> > tear it
> > > >> out?  :P
> > > >>
> > > >> --
> > > >> Chris
> > > >
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Re: [Kicad-developers] DIALOG_ORIENT_FOOTPRINTS

[Jon Neal]

In the same vein, what about the autoplace functions? I tried them a couple
of times just to see what they would do (really to see if it was worth it
to port over to GAL) and yikes. It is way, way too simplistic to do
anything useful and from the small amount I tested it has a handful of
issues with it.

Jon

On Tue, Apr 12, 2016 at 7:18 PM Chris Pavlina 
wrote:

> I just asked on forum.kicad.info.
>
> On Tue, Apr 12, 2016 at 07:05:03PM -0400, Wayne Stambaugh wrote:
> > I've never used it.  Anyone else find it a must have?  You might want to
> > get some feedback from users to see if anyone would miss it.  It should
> > be undoable though.
> >
> > On 4/12/2016 6:54 PM, Chris Pavlina wrote:
> > > It's not even undoable - so not only is it kinda useless, it's
> _broken_.
> > >
> > > Please? It's so much nicer not to have to maintain this stuff. :D
> > >
> > > On Tue, Apr 12, 2016 at 06:40:07PM -0400, Chris Pavlina wrote:
> > >> I wonder how many of you are even aware of DIALOG_ORIENT_FOOTPRINTS.
> It's
> > >> hidden in the Secret Menu in pcbnew (the spread-and-place) one, menu
> item
> > >> Orient All Footprints. The code hasn't been touched since 2010 except
> a few
> > >> cleanups, and it seems really simplistic and useless to me. I was
> going to
> > >> upgrade it to floating-point angle entry like everything else, but
> > >>
> > >> Does _anybody_ even use this? It seems utterly useless. I have no
> idea when
> > >> you'd want to globally apply an orientation to footprints. Can I just
> tear it
> > >> out?  :P
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> Chris
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Re: [Kicad-developers] DIALOG_ORIENT_FOOTPRINTS

[Chris Pavlina]

I just asked on forum.kicad.info.

On Tue, Apr 12, 2016 at 07:05:03PM -0400, Wayne Stambaugh wrote:
> I've never used it.  Anyone else find it a must have?  You might want to
> get some feedback from users to see if anyone would miss it.  It should
> be undoable though.
> 
> On 4/12/2016 6:54 PM, Chris Pavlina wrote:
> > It's not even undoable - so not only is it kinda useless, it's _broken_.
> > 
> > Please? It's so much nicer not to have to maintain this stuff. :D
> > 
> > On Tue, Apr 12, 2016 at 06:40:07PM -0400, Chris Pavlina wrote:
> >> I wonder how many of you are even aware of DIALOG_ORIENT_FOOTPRINTS. It's
> >> hidden in the Secret Menu in pcbnew (the spread-and-place) one, menu item
> >> Orient All Footprints. The code hasn't been touched since 2010 except a few
> >> cleanups, and it seems really simplistic and useless to me. I was going to
> >> upgrade it to floating-point angle entry like everything else, but
> >>
> >> Does _anybody_ even use this? It seems utterly useless. I have no idea when
> >> you'd want to globally apply an orientation to footprints. Can I just tear 
> >> it
> >> out?  :P
> >>
> >> -- 
> >> Chris
> > 
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Re: [Kicad-developers] DIALOG_ORIENT_FOOTPRINTS

[Wayne Stambaugh]

I've never used it.  Anyone else find it a must have?  You might want to
get some feedback from users to see if anyone would miss it.  It should
be undoable though.

On 4/12/2016 6:54 PM, Chris Pavlina wrote:
> It's not even undoable - so not only is it kinda useless, it's _broken_.
> 
> Please? It's so much nicer not to have to maintain this stuff. :D
> 
> On Tue, Apr 12, 2016 at 06:40:07PM -0400, Chris Pavlina wrote:
>> I wonder how many of you are even aware of DIALOG_ORIENT_FOOTPRINTS. It's
>> hidden in the Secret Menu in pcbnew (the spread-and-place) one, menu item
>> Orient All Footprints. The code hasn't been touched since 2010 except a few
>> cleanups, and it seems really simplistic and useless to me. I was going to
>> upgrade it to floating-point angle entry like everything else, but
>>
>> Does _anybody_ even use this? It seems utterly useless. I have no idea when
>> you'd want to globally apply an orientation to footprints. Can I just tear it
>> out?  :P
>>
>> -- 
>> Chris
> 
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Re: [Kicad-developers] DIALOG_ORIENT_FOOTPRINTS

[Chris Pavlina]

It's not even undoable - so not only is it kinda useless, it's _broken_.

Please? It's so much nicer not to have to maintain this stuff. :D

On Tue, Apr 12, 2016 at 06:40:07PM -0400, Chris Pavlina wrote:
> I wonder how many of you are even aware of DIALOG_ORIENT_FOOTPRINTS. It's
> hidden in the Secret Menu in pcbnew (the spread-and-place) one, menu item
> Orient All Footprints. The code hasn't been touched since 2010 except a few
> cleanups, and it seems really simplistic and useless to me. I was going to
> upgrade it to floating-point angle entry like everything else, but
> 
> Does _anybody_ even use this? It seems utterly useless. I have no idea when
> you'd want to globally apply an orientation to footprints. Can I just tear it
> out?  :P
> 
> -- 
> Chris

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