Re: [kicad-users] Kicad wishlist

2009-11-19 Thread kajdas
> > > yes, I mean push-and-shove, you mean that with pcbnew I can't make a 
> > > push-and-shove?

I think you mean 'click-and-drag'.
It works on Kicad, and the way I do it is to right-click on a trace, select 
trace if there are multiple items, select what kind of drag you want and start 
dragging.
You can do the same for trace corners.
In case when the dragged trace overlays another trace, it will not let you 
place it until you turn off DRC.
Martin




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2009-11-19 Thread Anders Gustafsson
I really must look into freerouter then. FWIW, the router in KiCad is decent, 
so I generally use it, after having laid down the critical tracks manually. It 
gives a decent suggestion that I can build on.




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>>> Robert  2009-11-19 16:43 >>>
>> KiCAD allows you to assign any net to a zone using the zone property
>> dialog (that appears when you create or edit a zone).


works very well, and using it is mostly child's play.   Hmmm. 
Actually, using an Etchasketch was far more difficult...

Regards,

Robert.



Re: [kicad-users] Kicad wishlist

2009-11-19 Thread Carlos Camargo
Thanks a lot for your answers Robert, I'm testing FreeRouter

Best Regards


Carlos

On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 9:43 AM, Robert  wrote:

>
>
> >> KiCAD allows you to assign any net to a zone using the zone property
> >> dialog (that appears when you create or edit a zone).
> >>
> >>
> > Yes, you're right, but when I assign a net to a zone (GND for example )
> the
> > tool show the pads connected to this zone, but don't remove the
> > "unconnected" line.
>
> I know there has been some discussion on this. When I started using
> KiCAD I hit this same issue and just knuckled down to adding a narrow
> dummy track to interconnect the relevant pads so that they would no
> longer appear disconnected. This turned out to be not such a bad thing
> on a one or two layer board as it reduces the chances of creating an
> island. On multilayer boards it is nothing but a chore. Since all my
> boards are two layer I haven't followed the discussion closely, so I'm
> not sure what is the current status. I guess you could always let
> FreeRouter do the dummy power tracks for you on a multi-layer board :).
>
>
> >> Not sure what you mean, as you can move tracks around very easily. Do
> >> you mean push-and-shove? If so, FreeRouter does this splendidly IMHO.
> >>
> >>
> > yes, I mean push-and-shove, you mean that with pcbnew I can't make a
> > push-and-shove? Is necessary use FreeRouter?
>
> That's correct. Transfer of data between the two is largely painless
> though, and I really can't recommend FreeRouter highly enough. It
> works very well, and using it is mostly child's play. Hmmm.
> Actually, using an Etchasketch was far more difficult...
>
> Regards,
>
> Robert.
>
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Re: [kicad-users] Kicad wishlist

2009-11-19 Thread Robert
>> KiCAD allows you to assign any net to a zone using the zone property
>> dialog (that appears when you create or edit a zone).
>>
>>
> Yes, you're right, but when I assign a net to a zone (GND for example ) the
> tool show the pads connected to this zone, but don't remove the
> "unconnected" line.

I know there has been some discussion on this.   When I started using 
KiCAD I hit this same issue and just knuckled down to adding a narrow 
dummy track to interconnect the relevant pads so that they would no 
longer appear disconnected.   This turned out to be not such a bad thing 
on a one or two layer board as it reduces the chances of creating an 
island.   On multilayer boards it is nothing but a chore.   Since all my 
boards are two layer I haven't followed the discussion closely, so I'm 
not sure what is the current status.   I guess you could always let 
FreeRouter do the dummy power tracks for you on a multi-layer board :).

>> Not sure what you mean, as you can move tracks around very easily. Do
>> you mean push-and-shove? If so, FreeRouter does this splendidly IMHO.
>>
>>
> yes, I mean push-and-shove, you mean that with pcbnew I can't make a
> push-and-shove? Is necessary use FreeRouter?

That's correct.   Transfer of data between the two is largely painless 
though, and I really can't recommend FreeRouter highly enough.   It 
works very well, and using it is mostly child's play.   Hmmm. 
Actually, using an Etchasketch was far more difficult...

Regards,

Robert.
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Re: [kicad-users] Kicad wishlist

2009-11-19 Thread Carlos Camargo
Hi Robert

Thanks for your answer.



>  > 1. Using zones for connectivity
>
> KiCAD allows you to assign any net to a zone using the zone property
> dialog (that appears when you create or edit a zone).
>
>
Yes, you're right, but when I assign a net to a zone (GND for example ) the
tool show the pads connected to this zone, but don't remove the
"unconnected" line.


> > 2. Auto-route
>
> Personally I've never achieved anything useful with the automatic tools
> in Kicad. For auto-routing I would recommend exporting a Spectra DSN
> file and reading it into FreeRouter (http://www.freerouting.net/). Hit
> Autoroute, go down the beach and enjoy yourself, and when you come back
> it'll be nicely done.
>


Thanks for the advice



> > 3. Pads with "special" shape (Annular ring, interdigital, custom image,
> etc)
>
> You can create a complex pad shapes by combining the various
> "primitives" into the shape required and then giving each component of
> the pad the same pad number. The only (tiny) snag with this is you
> have to remember to hook together the component pads with tracks in the
> main editor.
>

 Ok, I'll be try


> > 4. Auto-Moving wires (Right now, I'm erasing an existente wire and then I
> > redraw it)
>
> Not sure what you mean, as you can move tracks around very easily. Do
> you mean push-and-shove? If so, FreeRouter does this splendidly IMHO.
>
>
yes, I mean push-and-shove, you mean that with pcbnew I can't make a
push-and-shove? Is necessary use FreeRouter?


> May I suggest you read through the documentation supplied with KiCAD?
>

I've already read the documentation, but I can't make some actions :(

Regards


Carlos



>
> Regards,
>
> Robert.
>
>  
>
>
>
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Re: [kicad-users] Kicad wishlist

2009-11-19 Thread Robert
> 1. Using zones for connectivity

KiCAD allows you to assign any net to a zone using the zone property 
dialog (that appears when you create or edit a zone).

> 2. Auto-route

Personally I've never achieved anything useful with the automatic tools 
in Kicad.   For auto-routing I would recommend exporting a Spectra DSN 
file and reading it into FreeRouter (http://www.freerouting.net/).   Hit 
Autoroute, go down the beach and enjoy yourself, and when you come back 
it'll be nicely done.

> 3. Pads with "special" shape (Annular ring, interdigital, custom image, etc)

You can create a complex pad shapes by combining the various 
"primitives" into the shape required and then giving each component of 
the pad the same pad number.   The only (tiny) snag with this is you 
have to remember to hook together the component pads with tracks in the 
main editor.

> 4. Auto-Moving wires (Right  now, I'm erasing an existente wire and then I
> redraw it)

Not sure what you mean, as you can move tracks around very easily.   Do 
you mean push-and-shove?   If so, FreeRouter does this splendidly IMHO.

> 5. Auto moving wires associated to one via.

Could you explain what you mean, please?

> 6. Blind vias.

Vias can be between any two layers.

May I suggest you read through the documentation supplied with KiCAD?

Regards,

Robert.

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[kicad-users] Kicad wishlist

2009-11-19 Thread Carlos Camargo
Hi I'm new with Kicad, I want to know if right now is possible make the
following actions:

1. Using zones for connectivity
2. Auto-route
3. Pads with "special" shape (Annular ring, interdigital, custom image, etc)
4. Auto-Moving wires (Right  now, I'm erasing an existente wire and then I
redraw it)
5. Auto moving wires associated to one via.
6. Blind vias.

There is any person or group working on the above features?
How can we add to add them to Kicad project?
Best Regards

-- 
Carlos Iván Camargo Bareño
Profesor Asistente
Departamento de Ingeniería Eléctrica y Electrónica
Universidad Nacional de Colombia
cicamarg...@unal.edu.co