Re: [kicad-users] Re: Installing Kicad from Source files

2010-08-24 Thread Milan Horák
Either run 'sudo mc' in console or run Krusader/whatever file manager in 
root mode.

Milan

Dne 24.8.2010 14:25, Andrew napsal(a):
 Right then. I am trying to install the latest stable release, and trying to 
 follow this guide 
 http://iut-tice.ujf-grenoble.fr/cao/full_version_linux-install.txt

 how do you install into /usr/local ?

 no matter what I try, whether using the terminal or going the GUI way, it 
 says that I do not have permission to access this folder.

 So where am I supposed to install Kicad

 Andy




 --- In kicad-users@yahoogroups.com, Andrewandrwp...@...  wrote:

 Ok, there seems to be a problem with the packages I downloaded. I was trying 
 to created a new package by editing an exsisting package, and when I went to 
 delete a line, the editor crashed and closed, with no error message what so 
 ever, and just took me back to the kicad main screen.

 Anybody else had this problem???

 Andy


Re: [kicad-users] Re: Installing Kicad from Source files

2010-08-24 Thread Ricardo Cárdenes Medina
On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 1:25 PM, Andrew andrwp...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:



 Right then. I am trying to install the latest stable release, and trying to
 follow this guide
 http://iut-tice.ujf-grenoble.fr/cao/full_version_linux-install.txt

 how do you install into /usr/local ?

 root is the owner of /usr/local and you don't have permissions, so:

  $ cd /usr/local
  $ *sudo* tar zxvf path to find the downloaded
file/kicad-full-version--mm-dd.tgz

The instructions on running it are the same.


Re: [kicad-users] Re: Installing Kicad from Source files

2010-08-23 Thread Milan Horák
Hallo,

downloading binaries from http://kicad.1301.cz is not the option?

Milan

Dne 21.8.2010 17:14, Andrew napsal(a):
 Hi Bernd

 I've finally managed to do it. After reading various txt install and compile 
 text files, I followed the guide i used upto the point where i got the error, 
 then just used the cmake . cmd and then make and  make install. I did 
 the same for the Kicad-doc and Kicad-lib source files, and it all installed 
 in the right place.

 What I like about the source files is the 3d packages. The resistors have all 
 got there own values, with the appropriate colour bands on them. When I was 
 using Kicad on windows, I was creating my own set of 3d modules, by adding 
 bands to the resistor module, but it was very time consuming.

 Don't understand why these files are not included in the compiled packages 
 that are available to download in the first place..

 Thanks
 Andy

 Ps And your quite right. I am not an experienced developer. Wish I was 
 though. I would love to be able to contribute to this wonderful program

 --- In kicad-users@yahoogroups.com, Bernd Wiebusbernd.wie...@...  wrote:

 Hello Andrew.


 So how do I install the latest stable version on Ubuntu 10.04 LTS using
 the source code???
 A step by step guide would be very hellpfull

 Perhaps i would appreciate this for Debian Lenny (i think very similar but 
 not equal) too.

 At moment, i run the version from 05-05-2010 for Ubuntu 8.10 at Debian Lenny.
 Or is it a little bit assumpting, to try building from the sources without 
 being an experienced developer or system admin?

 With best regards: Bernd Wiebus alias dl1eic


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Re: [kicad-users] Re: Installing Kicad from Source files

2010-08-23 Thread Andy Eskelson
Depends on the distro.

type su at a command prompt is the normal method of becoming root.

If you are using that awful Ubuntu system of sudo then the easy way is to
open a shell and enter sudu su

once you do that the the shell will remain as root, but BE CAREFUL not to
exit it by accident.


With normal Linux compile operations, you only need the root access
for the final make install stage.

The normal sequence is

./configure  
make
make install


Note that not all software follows this sequence, (most do) so be sure to
read the install instructions of whatever package you use. 

I've never needed to compile Kicad, the binaries have always worked for
me.


Andy





On Mon, 23 Aug 2010 10:38:15 -
Andrew andrwp...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:

 Well I discovered yesterday that I had a problem with my installation of 
 Kicad from the sources. Because I don't know how to make  myself the root, I 
 had to use the sudo command to run the ' make install' option. After coming 
 back to Kicad yesterday, I found that the program would not run. No matter 
 what I tried, so I decided to do  total wipe of my system (I know its an 
 overkill, but I got rid of Windows all together at the same time.)
 
 So now I need to know how to do it properly using the source codes available 
 from svn and making myself root to perform the installation. 
 
 Any ideas guy??
 
 
 Andy
 
 --- In kicad-users@yahoogroups.com, Milan Horák konfere...@... wrote:
 
  Hallo,
  
  downloading binaries from http://kicad.1301.cz is not the option?
  
  Milan
  
  Dne 21.8.2010 17:14, Andrew napsal(a):
   Hi Bernd
  
   I've finally managed to do it. After reading various txt install and 
   compile text files, I followed the guide i used upto the point where i 
   got the error, then just used the cmake . cmd and then make and  
   make install. I did the same for the Kicad-doc and Kicad-lib source 
   files, and it all installed in the right place.
  
   What I like about the source files is the 3d packages. The resistors have 
   all got there own values, with the appropriate colour bands on them. When 
   I was using Kicad on windows, I was creating my own set of 3d modules, by 
   adding bands to the resistor module, but it was very time consuming.
  
   Don't understand why these files are not included in the compiled 
   packages that are available to download in the first place..
  
   Thanks
   Andy
  
   Ps And your quite right. I am not an experienced developer. Wish I was 
   though. I would love to be able to contribute to this wonderful program
  
   --- In kicad-users@yahoogroups.com, Bernd Wiebusbernd.wiebus@  wrote:
  
   Hello Andrew.
  
  
   So how do I install the latest stable version on Ubuntu 10.04 LTS using
   the source code???
   A step by step guide would be very hellpfull
  
   Perhaps i would appreciate this for Debian Lenny (i think very similar 
   but not equal) too.
  
   At moment, i run the version from 05-05-2010 for Ubuntu 8.10 at Debian 
   Lenny.
   Or is it a little bit assumpting, to try building from the sources 
   without being an experienced developer or system admin?
  
   With best regards: Bernd Wiebus alias dl1eic
  
  
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   ¿/mtl.!*
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 question.
 Please post your bug reports here. They will be picked up by the creator of 
 Kicad.
 Please visit http://www.kicadlib.org for details of how to contribute your 
 symbols/modules to the kicad library.
 For building Kicad from source and other development questions visit the 
 kicad-devel group at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kicad-develYahoo! Groups 
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Re: [kicad-users] Re: Installing Kicad from Source files

2010-08-23 Thread Donald H Locker
sudo is a very old Unix command.  sudo is an excellent way to control access 
to commands that have deep implications.  Unlike Windows where roles and 
authority are typically granted to users on a per-login basis (with the 
exception of run as which is a half-assed work-like sudo,) it has a published 
interface and behaviour that just plain works.  Becoming and staying root is 
generally NOT a good thing.  Unless you have lots of experience with command 
line interfaces, it is too easy to forget that you are root and typo something 
that does permanent damage.

A good rule is to only be root for the time necessary to do that which requires 
root permissions.  (I've been doing this professionally and personally for over 
30 years, so I think I can claim some experience and authority.)

Donald.
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- Original Message -

 From: Andy Eskelson andyya...@g0poy.co.uk
 To: kicad-users@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 6:59:42 AM
 Subject: Re: [kicad-users] Re: Installing Kicad from Source files
 
 Depends on the distro.
 
 type su at a command prompt is the normal method of becoming root.
 
 If you are using that awful Ubuntu system of sudo then the easy way is to
 open a shell and enter sudu su
 
 once you do that the the shell will remain as root, but BE CAREFUL not to
 exit it by accident.
 
 
 With normal Linux compile operations, you only need the root access
 for the final make install stage.
 
 The normal sequence is
 
 ./configure  
 make
 make install
 
 
 Note that not all software follows this sequence, (most do) so be sure to
 read the install instructions of whatever package you use. 
 
 I've never needed to compile Kicad, the binaries have always worked for
 me.
 
 
 Andy
 
 
 
 
 
 On Mon, 23 Aug 2010 10:38:15 -
 Andrew andrwp...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
 
  Well I discovered yesterday that I had a problem with my
 installation of Kicad from the sources. Because I don't know how to
 make  myself the root, I had to use the sudo command to run the '
 make install' option. After coming back to Kicad yesterday, I found
 that the program would not run. No matter what I tried, so I decided
 to do  total wipe of my system (I know its an overkill, but I got rid
 of Windows all together at the same time.)
  
  So now I need to know how to do it properly using the source codes
 available from svn and making myself root to perform the installation.
 
  
  Any ideas guy??
  
  
  Andy
  

[snip]


Re: [kicad-users] Re: Installing Kicad from Source files

2010-08-23 Thread Ricardo Cárdenes Medina
On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 12:19 PM, Andrew andrwp...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:



 Thanks for the quick reply Andy. So which binaries do you use exactly???

 I have tried using the Synaptic package manager, but the version it
 downloads is from 2009, and that version keeps crashing every time i select
 the 3D view. I am after the latest stable release

 Hi Andrew,

I use the package from the  0.0.20100314 version, taken from Debian Squeeze
(I think I installed the .deb directly on Ubuntu 10.04 and it worked out of
the box), which is also available for the future Ubuntu 10.10. Actually,
after a quick glance, I'd say you can use the version for Maverick too, as
the dependencies seem to be right for 10.04. To do this, just download:


http://mirrors.kernel.org/ubuntu/pool/universe/k/kicad/kicad-common_0.0.20100314-1_all.deb

http://mirrors.kernel.org/ubuntu/pool/universe/k/kicad/kicad_0.0.20100314-1_i386.deb

(change that _i386.deb to _amd64.deb if you're running a 64 bit
installation of Ubuntu). You may also want:


http://mirrors.kernel.org/ubuntu/pool/universe/k/kicad/kicad-doc-en_0.0.20100314-1_all.deb

Once you have donwloaded the files, just run:

  $ sudo dpkg -i kicad*.deb

in the same directory they're sitting, and you should be done.

If you really want to use the very latest stable copy, I could explain you
how extract the debian directory from any working copy of the
debian-package source, which you can get from Debian's or Ubuntu's
repositories, and how to use it to produce new packages.

In any case, try always to use packages. It's the tidiest thing to do.

regards,
Ricardo


Re: [kicad-users] Re: Installing Kicad from Source files

2010-08-23 Thread Andy Eskelson
I'm still using the 2009 final with SUSE 11.1 at the moment.
(I use the centos versio on SUSE)

I do have SUSE 11.3 installed but I have a annoying problem with my KVM
which is preventing the system determining what monitor is connected,
so I have not yet installed the latest Kicad on 11.3 as yet.

I got the binaries from here:

ftp://iut-tice.ujf-grenoble.fr/cao/

The 2010-05-05 final fore win, Ubuntu and Centos are all there.

(The 2009 version is now in the old version folder.)


The 3D issue is a bit odd, PCBnew should understand the Wings 3D files
without any problem, however if you have tried to compile from source,
it may be that something is missing.  There is not much in the install
text, apart from a link to the maiun wings 3d site, it may be worth
having a look there. 

It would also be worth while disabling any graphics effects that may be
switched on. sometimes they don't sit well with various apps, and can be
the cause of quite a few problems. Things like 3D desktops, wobbly
windows (yuk! that one makes me feel sick) and the other such things.   

(I did have a problem with Wings 3d on a windows box some years ago, which
was related to wings choosing a video mode that was not supported by the
monitor.) 

Andy




On Mon, 23 Aug 2010 11:19:05 -
Andrew andrwp...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:

 Thanks for the quick reply Andy. So which binaries do you use exactly???
 
 I have tried using the Synaptic package manager, but the version it downloads 
 is from 2009, and that version keeps crashing every time i select the 3D 
 view. I am after the latest stable release
 
 Thanks 
 
 Andy
 
 
 
 
 
 --- In kicad-users@yahoogroups.com, Andy Eskelson andyya...@... wrote:
 
  Depends on the distro.
  
  type su at a command prompt is the normal method of becoming root.
  
  If you are using that awful Ubuntu system of sudo then the easy way is to
  open a shell and enter sudu su
  
  once you do that the the shell will remain as root, but BE CAREFUL not to
  exit it by accident.
  
  
  With normal Linux compile operations, you only need the root access
  for the final make install stage.
  
  The normal sequence is
  
  ./configure  
  make
  make install
  
  
  Note that not all software follows this sequence, (most do) so be sure to
  read the install instructions of whatever package you use. 
  
  I've never needed to compile Kicad, the binaries have always worked for
  me.
  
  
  Andy
  
  
  
  
  
  On Mon, 23 Aug 2010 10:38:15 -
  Andrew andrwp...@... wrote:
  
   Well I discovered yesterday that I had a problem with my installation of 
   Kicad from the sources. Because I don't know how to make  myself the 
   root, I had to use the sudo command to run the ' make install' option. 
   After coming back to Kicad yesterday, I found that the program would not 
   run. No matter what I tried, so I decided to do  total wipe of my system 
   (I know its an overkill, but I got rid of Windows all together at the 
   same time.)
   
   So now I need to know how to do it properly using the source codes 
   available from svn and making myself root to perform the installation. 
   
   Any ideas guy??
   
   
   Andy
   
   --- In kicad-users@yahoogroups.com, Milan Horák konference@ wrote:
   
Hallo,

downloading binaries from http://kicad.1301.cz is not the option?

Milan

Dne 21.8.2010 17:14, Andrew napsal(a):
 Hi Bernd

 I've finally managed to do it. After reading various txt install and 
 compile text files, I followed the guide i used upto the point where 
 i got the error, then just used the cmake . cmd and then make and 
  make install. I did the same for the Kicad-doc and Kicad-lib 
 source files, and it all installed in the right place.

 What I like about the source files is the 3d packages. The resistors 
 have all got there own values, with the appropriate colour bands on 
 them. When I was using Kicad on windows, I was creating my own set of 
 3d modules, by adding bands to the resistor module, but it was very 
 time consuming.

 Don't understand why these files are not included in the compiled 
 packages that are available to download in the first place..

 Thanks
 Andy

 Ps And your quite right. I am not an experienced developer. Wish I 
 was though. I would love to be able to contribute to this wonderful 
 program

 --- In kicad-users@yahoogroups.com, Bernd Wiebusbernd.wiebus@  
 wrote:

 Hello Andrew.


 So how do I install the latest stable version on Ubuntu 10.04 LTS 
 using
 the source code???
 A step by step guide would be very hellpfull

 Perhaps i would appreciate this for Debian Lenny (i think very 
 similar but not equal) too.

 At moment, i run the version from 05-05-2010 for Ubuntu 8.10 at 
 Debian Lenny.
 Or is it a little bit assumpting, to try building from the sources 
 without