Re: deep breath -- Re: -KW-spiritual realm
> morning/afternoon; > > What assurance is there that the Bible has not been changed? > and > However, in a book entitled "BrainSex," the different mental structures of > the man and woman are examined and discussed. It seems that the brain > chemistry of each gender is different. The bible seems to create different > roles for the man and woman, so that they can be happy (*Isa 48:16-18*). > > . . . but I am not greater than a woman . . . I am equal to her in many > ways. And in the end, I obay God as ruler rather than men. > > Scot will now accept all comments, criticisms, and rotten tomatoes . . . > > Lois Mason wrote: > > > ok scot, > > Scot, WOW you are quite well educated. I respect you and your religion, now that said. Please for give me but if you read the King James Version of the bilbe it will become to appearant that the womans role is one under her husband..ok this is just my understanding so i could be wrong. I ask you next of the dead sea scolls where in the bible are they?? I beleive the where left out as where many other books. I will only say tha I worship the greater being as male/female equal in all things. As woman and man should be. I think we have gone way to far here and correct me if i am wrong raven??? I only would like respect for my beleifs and will not bash, or flame any for theres even if it includes my doom. For most would tell me I am to burn in the fires of hell for whati beleive. Sorry I wont but i will say Judge Ye Not lest ye be judged . Lois == [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.familyweb.org/babesrealm ICQ # 26324456 Be strong: we women stand tall _ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ^ To unsubscribe, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and in the message put: unsubscribe kidzwrite Or if you need other majordomo commands, write to the same address and in the message put: help
deep breath -- Re: -KW-spiritual realm
Scot takes a deep breath . . . for the not-so-quick thoughts of the morning/afternoon; What assurance is there that the Bible has not been changed? and Am I (as a man) greater than a woman? Despite the care exercised by copyists of Bible manuscripts, a number of small scribal errors and alterations crept into the text. On the whole, these are insignificant and have no bearing on the Bible's general integrity. They have been detected and corrected by means of careful scholastic collation or critical comparison of the many extant manuscripts and ancient versions. Critical study of the Hebrew text of the Scriptures commenced toward the end of the 18th century. Benjamin Kennicott published at Oxford (in 1776-1780) the readings of over 600 Masoretic Hebrew manuscripts, and the Italian scholar Giambernardo de Rossi published at Parma comparisons of 731 manuscripts in 1784 to 1798. Master texts of the Hebrew Scriptures were also produced by the German scholar Baer and, more recently, by C. D. Ginsburg. Hebrew scholar Rudolf Kittel released in 1906 the first edition of his Biblia Hebraica (The Hebrew Bible), providing therein a textual study through a footnote service, comparing many Hebrew manuscripts of the Masoretic text. The basic text he used was the Ben Hayim text. But, when the older and superior Ben Asher Masoretic texts became available, Kittel undertook the production of an entirely new third edition, which was completed by his colleagues after his death. The first printed edition of the Christian Greek Scriptures was that appearing in the Complutensian Polyglott (in Greek and Latin), of 1514-1517. Then in 1516 the Dutch scholar Desiderius Erasmus published his first edition of a master Greek text of the Christian Greek Scriptures. It contained many errors, but an improved text thereof was made available through four succeeding editions from 1519 to 1535. Later, Paris printer and editor Robert Estienne, or Stephanus, issued several editions of the Greek "New Testament," based principally on Erasmus' text, but having corrections according to the Complutensian Polyglott (edition of 1522) and 15 late manuscripts. The third edition of Stephanus' Greek text (issued in 1550) became, in effect, the "Received Text" (called textus receptus in Latin), which was used for many early English versions, including the King James Version of 1611. Quite noteworthy in more recent times is the master Greek text prepared by J. J. Griesbach, who availed himself of materials gathered by others but who also gave attention to Biblical quotations made by early writers such as Origen. Further, Griesbach studied the readings of various versions, such as the Armenian, Gothic, and Philoxenian. He viewed extant manuscripts as comprising three families, or recensions, the Byzantine, the Western, and the Alexandrian, giving preference to readings in the latter. Editions of his master Greek text were issued between 1774 and 1806, his principal edition of the entire Greek text being published in 1796-1806. Griesbach's text was used for Sharpe's English translation of 1840 and is the Greek text printed in The Emphatic Diaglott, by Benjamin Wilson, in 1864. A Greek master text of the Christian Greek Scriptures that attained wide acceptance is that produced in 1881 by Cambridge University scholars B. F. Westcott and F. J. A. Hort. It was the product of 28 years of independent labor, though they compared notes regularly. Like Griesbach, they divided manuscripts into families and leaned heavily on what they termed the "neutral text," which included the renowned Sinaitic Manuscript and the Vatican Manuscript No. 1209, both of the fourth century C.E. While Westcott and Hort viewed matters as quite conclusive when these manuscripts agreed and especially when they were supported by other ancient uncial manuscripts, they were not bound to that position. They took every conceivable factor into consideration in endeavoring to solve problems presented by conflicting texts; and when two readings were of equal weight, that, too, was indicated in their master text. Commenting on the history of the text of the Christian Greek Scriptures and the results of modern textual research, Professor Kurt Aland wrote: "It can be determined, on the basis of 40 years of experience and with the results which have come to light in examining . . . manuscripts at 1,200 test places: The text of the New Testament has been excellently transmitted, better than any other writing from ancient times; the possibility that manuscripts might yet be found that would change its text decisively is zero."-Das Neue Testament-zuverlässig überliefert (The New Testament-Reliably Transmitted), Stuttgart, 1986, pp. 27, 28. The extant manuscripts of the Christian Scriptures (in Greek and other languages) show textual variations. Variations are to be expected in view of human imperfection and the copying and recopying of manuscripts, especially by many copyists
Re: -KW-spiritual realm
> > **Okay, I am asking . . . what do you believe about the Bible? > ok scot, todays's bible is just mans(and i mean male) translation of the word of God. I feel that the only way to understand God is to read the hebrew version of 1,000 years ago or so I as a woman will not tolerate being lower than manas todays bible will tell you to do... but the bible is a great book to disect fully . Lois == [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.familyweb.org/babesrealm ICQ # 26324456 Be strong: we women stand tall _ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ^ To unsubscribe, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and in the message put: unsubscribe kidzwrite Or if you need other majordomo commands, write to the same address and in the message put: help
Re: -KW-spiritual realm
Here is my attempt at an answer . . .
This could take a long time, but I shall attempt to start by listing a few
scriptures. Just to let you know, I am in the process of reading the
whole Bible from front to back. I have studied it a lot, but I have never
read it systematically. Well, from my studies, here are some of my
ponderings . . ..
When we die we go to heaven. Are you sure? The bible also says other
things. For example, there are several scriptures that talk about our
"inheriting the earth" and being created to live on the earth (Ps
37:11,22,29; Prov 2:21,22; Isa 45:18; Matt 5:5; Rev 21:3,4). If God is
perfect, according to the christian Bible, why would he change his plan?
The Bible says that God does not change his mind (Isa 55:11; Num 23:19;
Isa 46:10,11; Heb 6:13,17; Joshua 23:14). If so, then we must examine
what it means when it talks of going to heaven. Well, to be explained
later, I will tell you that not one person who died before the Christ
would have gone to heaven. The Christ Jesus was Jewish from the time he
was born until the time he died. When he died, he changed the way of
things (Rev 5:9,10). That is why he is called the firstborn from the dead
-- "He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that he might become
the one who is first in all things" (Col 1:18). Check Job 14:13; John
5:28,29; Acts 24:15; and John 11:23,24. In each case, there is a comment
about the resurrection from death. In no case did anyone consider a
resurrection to heaven until Jesus had died. Only then was there a change
(Rev 5:9,10; Luke 22:28-30; John 14:2,3; Rev 7:4,9-14; 14:1-3; 1 Cor
15:35,38,42-45; 1 Peter 3:18).
So, today, we either go to heaven or will simply die and have the
resurrection to look forward to. Now, this is a REALLY simplified version
of this idea. There is a great deal more to say on the subject . . . but
i didn't have time.
For a thought on the soul . . . refer to Ezekiel 18:4, Genesis 3:19, Psalm
146:4, and Ecclesiastes 9:5,10. When a human dies, all of his thoughts
and consciousness are gone. He is no more.
Hmmm . . . well, I have rambled about that one point and totally forgotten
the others. Well, I must go to bed now. Will talk more later.
In need of staying away rom studying for a long time,
Scot
My reply to each note is included as follows:
---
Lois Mason wrote:
I do however have a question or two, When we die we go to heaven
(the words found in the bible)?, and that some will be resurrected in life
(again words from the bible)??? could you elaborate on this for me from
your views? Please?
I still read the bible even if the words mean different things for me, I
will elaborate on this only if asked.
**Okay, I am asking . . . what do you believe about the Bible?
Those questions and more where what got me evicted from the church I was
considered evil for question and looking for answers in our small new
england city.
**I applaud you for asking the right questions. If you can think of the
questions, there must be an answer to them. Just keep an open mind and
think of the logic.
Lois
---
Dear Lois
To try and answer your questions I will say if you are saved you will
indeed enter heaven. Now I think when Scott was talking about
resurrection, I think.. { correct me if i am wrong } he was talkin
about divine resurrections.
**umm . . . you are wrong. Sorry Spacoli. I will get back to that later
. . .
I know you are probably wondering what i've been smokin but let me
explain. All men must die and die only once {Hebrews 9:27}. Some men have
not died yet. Enoch {Genesis 5:24} and Elijah {II Kings 2:11} have yet
to die. So it is of popular belief that they come to the earth again as
the two witnesses{ Revelation 11:1-13}. I could be wrong and if i am study
the scriptures and you will find you answers.
- Spacoli
---
Daniel,
You missed the point I was trying to make I dont study the bible as
you do, altho i do read it. I wanted each opinions of it. For you see I
am Pagan,and the resident parent on this list. No i will not try to
convert you. Now all you need do is ask my baptist son
Hans..I mean what more do you get from the passages other than
scripture that you can quote?
**The Bible is what leads me down each path that I take. It is my life .
. . so to say. I am trying to read the whole thing and study it and live
by it. No, I am not doing this well, but I am trying. A man, Ghandi,
once talked about the Sermon on the Mount. He said that it was the best
way to live . . . that if we all would just try to live by it, then the
world would be a better place. Well, that is my goal . . . to make the
world a better place (one smile at a time).
Does it mean something special or are they just words you throw at the
world???
I will shut
Re: -KW-spiritual realm
> Dear Lois
> To try and answer your questions I will say if you are saved you
> will indeed enter heaven. Now I think when Scott was talking about
> resurrection, I think.. { correct me if i am wrong } he was talkin
> about divine resurections. I know you are probably wondering what i've
> been smokin but let me explain. All men must die and die only once
> {Hebrews 9:27}. Some men have not died yet. Enoch {Genesis 5:24}
> and Elijah {II Kings 2:11} have yet to die. So it is of popular belief
> that they come to the earth again as the two witnesses{ Revelation
> 11:1-13}. I could be wrong and if i am study the scriptures and you
> will find you answers.
> - Spacoli
>
> ==
> I want to die sleeping, like my grandfather did, rather than
> screaming, like the passengers in his car.
Daniel,
You missed the point I was trying to make I dont study the bible as
you do, altho i do read it. I wanted each opinions of it. For you
see I am Pagan,and the resident parent on this list. No i will not
try to convert you. Now all you need do is ask my baptist son
Hans..I mean what more do you get from the passages other
than scripture that you can quote?
Does it mean something special or are they just words you throw at the
world???
I will shut up now for here i go again being evil and questioning all
things and that is not my intent.
I only wish you to be honest with yourself to feel the faith you
practice.
Lois
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Re: -KW-spiritual realm
Dear Lois
To try and answer your questions I will say if you are saved you
will indeed enter heaven. Now I think when Scott was talking about
resurrection, I think.. { correct me if i am wrong } he was talkin
about divine resurections. I know you are probably wondering what i've
been smokin but let me explain. All men must die and die only once
{Hebrews 9:27}. Some men have not died yet. Enoch {Genesis 5:24}
and Elijah {II Kings 2:11} have yet to die. So it is of popular belief
that they come to the earth again as the two witnesses{ Revelation
11:1-13}. I could be wrong and if i am study the scriptures and you
will find you answers.
- Spacoli
==
I want to die sleeping, like my grandfather did, rather than
screaming, like the passengers in his car.
- Me
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Re: -KW-spiritual realm
> all ways except in the memory of others.
>
>
> Sorry Lois . . . {grin}
>
> Scot will now be accepting any questions, criticism, and rotten
tomatoes .
> . .
Scot,
No critisms from me. I am glad you have such strong faith that sets
you apart from alot of the people I have met. I do however have a
question or two, When we die we go to heaven (the words found in the
bible)?, and that some will be resurrected in life (again words from
the bible)??? could you elaborate on this for me from your views?
Please?
I still read the bible even if the words mean different things for me,
I will elaborate on this only if asked.
Those questions and more where what got me evicted from the church I
was considered evil for question and looking for answers in our small
new england city.
Lois
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Re: -KW-spiritual realm
Well guys and girls,
I cannot find the original question on my system. I hate moving around
without a laptop. it means I have to keep switching computers . . . and
my server is a POP3 server. Oh well . . .
Since it is 3 in the morning, this will be quick and without explanation
for now.
There is a spiritual realm. In in exist all divine creatures, i.e. spirit
creatures (angels and demons (who are fallen angels anyway)) and God
himself. I do not believe in reincarnation, but I do believe in a
resurrection. In the Bible, there are examples to let us see that
resurrection is possible. Now, if you do not believe in the Bible, then
more explanation would be needed.
In addition, i believe that the human creature consists of a fleshly body
and is animated by a powerful force called spirit. When the ancient
Hebrews and Greeks referred to what we translate as "soul," they were
referring to either the person in whole or to their life force. Never did
they consider anything such as a ghostly entity that survives death.
Therefore, I believe the human being, when they die, ceases to exist in
all ways except in the memory of others.
Sorry Lois . . . {grin}
Scot will now be accepting any questions, criticism, and rotten tomatoes .
. .
{winks at Robin as she walks through her mid summers rain}
Lois Mason wrote:
> Ok guys,
> there is indeed a spiritual realm for me I see it as a void black
> and
> with nothing there but other spirits. The reason it is a void is those
> there are awaiting to have their rebirth. I am a firm believer in
> reincarnation.So there must be someplace for the soul(spirit) to go.
>
> Lois
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Re: -KW-spiritual realm
Ok guys, Here is my views and you can all laugh to the bathroom peeing your pants ? OK? :) there is indeed a spiritual realm for me I see it as a void black and with nothing there but other spirits. The reason it is a void is those there are awaiting to have their rebirth. I am a firm believer in reincarnation.So there must be someplace for the soul(spirit) to go. Lois == [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.familyweb.org/babesrealm ICQ # 26324456 Be strong: we women stand tall _ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ^ To unsubscribe, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and in the message put: unsubscribe kidzwrite Or if you need other majordomo commands, write to the same address and in the message put: help
