[Koha-bugs] [Bug 11130] Change pl Place-publication index for Marc21

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Fridolin SOMERS  changed:

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--- Comment #9 from Fridolin SOMERS  ---
I note than in UNIMARC pl Place-publication is on 210$a.

There is Country-publication on UNIMARC 102$a.
Should it be on 008/15-17 ? I see 044$a that could also fit.

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[Koha-bugs] [Bug 11130] Change pl Place-publication index for Marc21

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--- Comment #7 from Joonas Kylmälä  ---
(In reply to Mirko Tietgen from comment #5)
> 11130 follow-up: DOM indexing

Is there a follow-up coming or what do you mean by this?

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--- Comment #8 from Mirko Tietgen  ---
(In reply to Joonas Kylmälä from comment #7)
> (In reply to Mirko Tietgen from comment #5)
> > 11130 follow-up: DOM indexing
> 
> Is there a follow-up coming or what do you mean by this?

It is already there. The patch includes the original one and the followup patch

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David Cook dc...@prosentient.com.au changed:

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--- Comment #6 from David Cook dc...@prosentient.com.au ---
008/15-17 is actually a bit more variable than country. Sometimes, it's
country but other times it's actually state/province
(http://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/bd008a.html). In any case, it's in a
coded format, which is probably useless to all except the most hardcore human
users. 

Good call on pl Place-publication being 260$a instead of the whole of 260.
That said, you'll also want to include 264$a...but only when the 2nd indicator
of 264 is set to 1 (http://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/bd264.html). You have
to love RDA...

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Mirko Tietgen mi...@abunchofthings.net changed:

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--- Comment #5 from Mirko Tietgen mi...@abunchofthings.net ---
Created attachment 25768
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Bug 11130 Change pl Place-publication index for Marc21

According to ccl.properties, the pl Place-publication index is supposed to
include 008/15-17 and 260$a. In record.abs, we have the index include all 260
fields. This patch removes the index for the whole field 260, leaving only $a
(and 008/15-17).

11130 follow-up: DOM indexing

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--- Comment #4 from mathieu saby mathsaby...@gmail.com ---
By the way, record.abs is going to be deprecated in next version (or maybe
later). So if you think that indexing is inconsistent you need to edit also the
DOM configuration files.

Mathieu

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--- Comment #3 from Mirko Tietgen mi...@abunchofthings.net ---
(In reply to mathieu saby from comment #2)

 Maybe it is in ccl.properties, but I believe it would be a bad idea to
 follow it on this point ;-)


 The 2 information should be in different indexes. In Unimarc, we use pl for
 210 (the same as 260) and Country-publication for 102$a field (if I remember
 well) for the country.

At the moment, it is 008/15-17 and ALL 260 subfields. I'm not trying to make it
worse but better, but based on what is in that file. ;) And I would like to get
260$e (Place of manufacture) out of the index. But perhaps you are right,
ignoring what ccl.properties says and instead setting up an index just for
260$a would be a better idea. Maybe others have an opinion on that?

 By the way, the pl index is completely useless for the average user in an
 academic or public library, at least according to my experience. Because
 I've never seen a reader looking for a book published in London, or All
 the books published in Paris.
 I think it's more a librarian-centered information.

We have a lot of video material and a search for »movies from $country« is very
likely. »movies published in London« not so much I guess. ;D

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mathieu saby mathieu.s...@univ-rennes2.fr changed:

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--- Comment #2 from mathieu saby mathieu.s...@univ-rennes2.fr ---
(In reply to Mirko Tietgen from comment #0)
 According to ccl.properties, the pl Place-publication index is supposed to
 include 008/15-17 and 260$a. In record.abs, we have the index include all
 260 fields. This patch removes the index for the whole field 260, leaving
 only $a (and 008/15-17).


Maybe it is in ccl.properties, but I believe it would be a bad idea to follow
it on this point ;-)

008/15-17 is a coded information about a country
260$a is a plain text information about a town

The 2 information should be in different indexes. In Unimarc, we use pl for 210
(the same as 260) and Country-publication for 102$a field (if I remember well)
for the country.

By the way, the pl index is completely useless for the average user in an
academic or public library, at least according to my experience. Because I've
never seen a reader looking for a book published in London, or All the books
published in Paris.
I think it's more a librarian-centered information.

M. Saby

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Mirko Tietgen mi...@abunchofthings.net changed:

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--- Comment #1 from Mirko Tietgen mi...@abunchofthings.net ---
Created attachment 22356
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Bug 11130 Change pl Place-publication index for Marc21

According to ccl.properties, the pl Place-publication index is supposed to
include 008/15-17 and 260$a. In record.abs, we have the index include all 260
fields. This patch removes the index for the whole field 260, leaving only $a
(and 008/15-17).

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