[Koha-bugs] [Bug 18265] Followup to Bug 17196. deletedbiblio_metadata is not used. biblioitemnumber was forgotten

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Bug 18265 - Followup to Buuug 17196. Fix t/db_dependent/Exporter/Record.t

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[Koha-bugs] [Bug 18265] Followup to Bug 17196. deletedbiblio_metadata is not used. biblioitemnumber was forgotten

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--- Comment #14 from Jonathan Druart  
---
(In reply to Olli-Antti Kivilahti from comment #12)
> (In reply to Jonathan Druart from comment #11)
> > (In reply to Jonathan Druart from comment #7)
> > > You are going too far with this patch, we need a quick patch to fix the 
> > > data
> > > lost when deleting a bibliographic record,
> 
> I have to disagree. You need properly implemented features, not small steps
> and quick fixes.

Yes and that is something you did not understand yet, but I am sure you will at
some point.
That is exactly why you do not manage to get your patches pushed.
Small steps are the way to go if you want your changes to be integrated.
On this bug report you are addressing to many different points, you are just
slowing down its move.

I will take care of the moveto deletedbiblio_metadata.

Thanks for the try!

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--- Comment #13 from Olli-Antti Kivilahti  ---
(In reply to Marcel de Rooy from comment #10)
> (In reply to Olli-Antti Kivilahti from comment #9)
> > Do you mean that biblio- and biblioitems-tables should be merged?
> > 
> > Then those need to be separated again when we are moving to FRBR.
> > 
> > This is one fundamentally good architectural design decision in Koha. Don't
> > break it.
> 
> A design decision that has not been implemented, might not be a good one
> after all..

The issues with (MA)chine (R)eadable (C)ard catalogues are aknowledged for
decades. Probably even then when the format was being discussed.

Now the official formats for implementing FRBR (RDA -> Bibframe) are at the
door and we (Finland) are already migrating to RDA this year. Actually I think
we officially did and new records are only available in RDA as we speak.
Looking forward to Bibframe in the near future.

Structuring the DB to model the separation of work from manifestation is
fundamentally important to achieve moving Koha to the future.

Removing this distinction will turn us back 30 years.

I have already suffered from the awkwardness caused by this divide
(biblio-biblioitems) for many years with Koha, but the problem is not with DB
but the internal API.
Better stick to it now, since it is the foothold for pushing us forward.
Naturally the current implementation is not good enough, but it is better than
nothing. Otherwise we need to reinvent this wheel.

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--- Comment #12 from Olli-Antti Kivilahti  ---
(In reply to Jonathan Druart from comment #11)
> (In reply to Jonathan Druart from comment #7)
> > You are going too far with this patch, we need a quick patch to fix the data
> > lost when deleting a bibliographic record,

I have to disagree. You need properly implemented features, not small steps and
quick fixes.

> > then we can discuss other points
> > on another bug report. Would you agree with that?
> 
> What about this important part?

I have already spent a significant amount of time (8h+) on this bug.
This preserves existing data structure functionally as it was intended.
Also there is no mention on Bug 17196 about the intent of merging biblio and
biblioitems. There is a mention about Koha::MetadataRecord but there is no
reason that would require the supposed merge.

I have no interest atm for any discussion about this bug ticket.

You are free to continue doing whatever you please. However I recommend you
salvage the test case attached.

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[Koha-bugs] [Bug 18265] Followup to Bug 17196. deletedbiblio_metadata is not used. biblioitemnumber was forgotten

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--- Comment #11 from Jonathan Druart  
---
(In reply to Jonathan Druart from comment #7)
> You are going too far with this patch, we need a quick patch to fix the data
> lost when deleting a bibliographic record, then we can discuss other points
> on another bug report. Would you agree with that?

What about this important part?

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--- Comment #10 from Marcel de Rooy  ---
(In reply to Olli-Antti Kivilahti from comment #9)
> Do you mean that biblio- and biblioitems-tables should be merged?
> 
> Then those need to be separated again when we are moving to FRBR.
> 
> This is one fundamentally good architectural design decision in Koha. Don't
> break it.

A design decision that has not been implemented, might not be a good one after
all..

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--- Comment #9 from Olli-Antti Kivilahti  ---
(In reply to Jonathan Druart from comment #7)
> (In reply to Olli-Antti Kivilahti from comment #1)
> > Exhibit 3:
> > 
> > Just noticed while doing DB changes, that biblio_metadata is linked to the
> > biblio table instead of the biblioitems-table!
> 
> I think we should keep the link to biblio, both table should be merged.
> 

Do you mean that biblio- and biblioitems-tables should be merged?

Then those need to be separated again when we are moving to FRBR.

This is one fundamentally good architectural design decision in Koha. Don't
break it.

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[Koha-bugs] [Bug 18265] Followup to Bug 17196. deletedbiblio_metadata is not used. biblioitemnumber was forgotten

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--- Comment #8 from Olli-Antti Kivilahti  ---
Created attachment 61101
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Bug 18265 - Followup to Buuug 17196. deletedbiblio_metadata is not used.
biblioitemnumber was forgot. FK to wrong table.

Exhibit 1:

The MARCXML is lost when the biblio is deleted because the values in
biblio_metadata-table from biblioitems-table are never moved to
deletedbiblio_metadata-table.
Previously the marcxml was preserved in the oldbiblioitems-table
This is a challenge for gathering statistics
For example item has been ordered, received, and removed from collection during
the statistics period
Information in marcxml is needed to accurately categorize the item

Exhibit 2:

[15:22:38]  also. In Koha there once was a great idea that one
biblio-entry can have multiple biblioitems
[15:22:45]  and the marcxml was tied to the biblioitems-table
[15:23:11]  this is a nice idea, but nobdy really cared for it and
now biblionumber and biblioitemnumber are used interchangeably
[15:23:22]  except when they get out of sync during a data
migration
[15:23:41]  then things start to work really interestingly
[15:23:47]  but the point is
[15:23:57]  biblio_metadata has a biblionumber-column
[15:24:15]  shouldn't it have a biblioitemnumber-column, just for
old time's sake?

In the biblioitems-table we had marcxml. primary keyed with biblioitemnumber.
Now the marcxml is moved to biblio_metadata and the foreign key reference was
simplified to biblionumber.
This makes the existing FRBR-bug worse.

Exhibit 3:

Just noticed while doing DB changes, that biblio_metadata is linked to the
biblio table instead of the biblioitems-table!

No FRBR there.

Is being fixed.

REPLICATE ISSUE:

Create biblio
Delete biblio
Where is deletedbiblio_metadata-row?

TEST PLAN:

perl misc/devel/update_dbix_class_files.pl

perl t/db_dependent/Biblio_crud.t

perl t/db_dependent/Holds/HoldFulfillmentPolicy.t
 + other tests from Buug 17196

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--- Comment #7 from Jonathan Druart  
---
(In reply to Olli-Antti Kivilahti from comment #1)
> Exhibit 3:
> 
> Just noticed while doing DB changes, that biblio_metadata is linked to the
> biblio table instead of the biblioitems-table!

I think we should keep the link to biblio, both table should be merged.

You are going too far with this patch, we need a quick patch to fix the data
lost when deleting a bibliographic record, then we can discuss other points on
another bug report. Would you agree with that?

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--- Comment #6 from Olli-Antti Kivilahti  ---
Created attachment 61098
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https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/attachment.cgi?id=61098=edit
Bug 18265 - Followup to Buuug 17196. deletedbiblio_metadata is not used.
biblioitemnumber was forgot. FK to wrong table.

Exhibit 1:

The MARCXML is lost when the biblio is deleted because the values in
biblio_metadata-table from biblioitems-table are never moved to
deletedbiblio_metadata-table.
Previously the marcxml was preserved in the oldbiblioitems-table
This is a challenge for gathering statistics
For example item has been ordered, received, and removed from collection during
the statistics period
Information in marcxml is needed to accurately categorize the item

Exhibit 2:

[15:22:38]  also. In Koha there once was a great idea that one
biblio-entry can have multiple biblioitems
[15:22:45]  and the marcxml was tied to the biblioitems-table
[15:23:11]  this is a nice idea, but nobdy really cared for it and
now biblionumber and biblioitemnumber are used interchangeably
[15:23:22]  except when they get out of sync during a data
migration
[15:23:41]  then things start to work really interestingly
[15:23:47]  but the point is
[15:23:57]  biblio_metadata has a biblionumber-column
[15:24:15]  shouldn't it have a biblioitemnumber-column, just for
old time's sake?

In the biblioitems-table we had marcxml. primary keyed with biblioitemnumber.
Now the marcxml is moved to biblio_metadata and the foreign key reference was
simplified to biblionumber.
This makes the existing FRBR-bug worse.

Exhibit 3:

Just noticed while doing DB changes, that biblio_metadata is linked to the
biblio table instead of the biblioitems-table!

No FRBR there.

Is being fixed.

REPLICATE ISSUE:

Create biblio
Delete biblio
Where is deletedbiblio_metadata-row?

TEST PLAN:

perl misc/devel/update_dbix_class_files.pl

perl t/db_dependent/Biblio_crud.t

perl t/db_dependent/Holds/HoldFulfillmentPolicy.t
 + other tests from Buug 17196

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--- Comment #5 from Olli-Antti Kivilahti  ---
Created attachment 61097
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https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/attachment.cgi?id=61097=edit
Bug 18265 - Followup to Buuug 17196. deletedbiblio_metadata is not used.
biblioitemnumber was forgot. FK to wrong table.

Exhibit 1:

The MARCXML is lost when the biblio is deleted because the values in
biblio_metadata-table from biblioitems-table are never moved to
deletedbiblio_metadata-table.
Previously the marcxml was preserved in the oldbiblioitems-table
This is a challenge for gathering statistics
For example item has been ordered, received, and removed from collection during
the statistics period
Information in marcxml is needed to accurately categorize the item

Exhibit 2:

[15:22:38]  also. In Koha there once was a great idea that one
biblio-entry can have multiple biblioitems
[15:22:45]  and the marcxml was tied to the biblioitems-table
[15:23:11]  this is a nice idea, but nobdy really cared for it and
now biblionumber and biblioitemnumber are used interchangeably
[15:23:22]  except when they get out of sync during a data
migration
[15:23:41]  then things start to work really interestingly
[15:23:47]  but the point is
[15:23:57]  biblio_metadata has a biblionumber-column
[15:24:15]  shouldn't it have a biblioitemnumber-column, just for
old time's sake?

In the biblioitems-table we had marcxml. primary keyed with biblioitemnumber.
Now the marcxml is moved to biblio_metadata and the foreign key reference was
simplified to biblionumber.
This makes the existing FRBR-bug worse.

Exhibit 3:

Just noticed while doing DB changes, that biblio_metadata is linked to the
biblio table instead of the biblioitems-table!

No FRBR there.

Is being fixed.

REPLICATE ISSUE:

Create biblio
Delete biblio
Where is deletedbiblio_metadata-row?

TEST PLAN:

perl misc/devel/update_dbix_class_files.pl

perl t/db_dependent/Biblio_crud.t

perl t/db_dependent/Holds/HoldFulfillmentPolicy.t
 + other tests from Buug 17196

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--- Comment #4 from Olli-Antti Kivilahti  ---
Created attachment 61096
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https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/attachment.cgi?id=61096=edit
Bug 18265 - Followup to Buuug 17196. deletedbiblio_metadata is not used.
biblioitemnumber was forgot. FK to wrong table.

Exhibit 1:

The MARCXML is lost when the biblio is deleted because the values in
biblio_metadata-table from biblioitems-table are never moved to
deletedbiblio_metadata-table.
Previously the marcxml was preserved in the oldbiblioitems-table
This is a challenge for gathering statistics
For example item has been ordered, received, and removed from collection during
the statistics period
Information in marcxml is needed to accurately categorize the item

Exhibit 2:

[15:22:38]  also. In Koha there once was a great idea that one
biblio-entry can have multiple biblioitems
[15:22:45]  and the marcxml was tied to the biblioitems-table
[15:23:11]  this is a nice idea, but nobdy really cared for it and
now biblionumber and biblioitemnumber are used interchangeably
[15:23:22]  except when they get out of sync during a data
migration
[15:23:41]  then things start to work really interestingly
[15:23:47]  but the point is
[15:23:57]  biblio_metadata has a biblionumber-column
[15:24:15]  shouldn't it have a biblioitemnumber-column, just for
old time's sake?

In the biblioitems-table we had marcxml. primary keyed with biblioitemnumber.
Now the marcxml is moved to biblio_metadata and the foreign key reference was
simplified to biblionumber.
This makes the existing FRBR-bug worse.

Exhibit 3:

Just noticed while doing DB changes, that biblio_metadata is linked to the
biblio table instead of the biblioitems-table!

No FRBR there.

Is being fixed.

REPLICATE ISSUE:

Create biblio
Delete biblio
Where is deletedbiblio_metadata-row?

TEST PLAN:

perl misc/devel/update_dbix_class_files.pl

perl t/db_dependent/Biblio_crud.t

perl t/db_dependent/Holds/HoldFulfillmentPolicy.t
 + other tests from Buug 17196

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Bug 18265 - Followup to Buuug 17196. deletedbiblio_metadata is not used.
biblioitemnumber was forgot.

perl misc/devel/update_dbix_class_files.pl

perl t/db_dependent/Biblio_crud.t

perl t/db_dependent/Holds/HoldFulfillmentPolicy.t
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[Koha-bugs] [Bug 18265] Followup to Bug 17196. deletedbiblio_metadata is not used. biblioitemnumber was forgotten

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https://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=18265

Owen Leonard  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

Summary|Followup to Buuug 17196.|Followup to Bug 17196.
   |deletedbiblio_metadata is   |deletedbiblio_metadata is
   |not used. biblioitemnumber  |not used. biblioitemnumber
   |was forgot. |was forgotten

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