Re: scalable flooding information distribution in JS
On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 10:15:47AM -0600, Zooko Wilcox-O'Hearn wrote: Neat! Glad to see you working on distributed information systems. ☺ --Z Thanks! I'm still trying to figure out what we should replace HTTP URLs and the same-origin policy with. I think retrieve-by-content-hash can take up most of the load that HTTP carries right now. I really want an alternative to Facebook and IRC, and I don't think Diaspora* is it. Kragen -- To unsubscribe: http://lists.canonical.org/mailman/listinfo/kragen-discuss
Re: scalable flooding information distribution in JS
On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 12:54:29PM -0700, Joe Blaylock wrote: On Fri, 2012-03-23 at 15:46 -0400, Kragen Javier Sitaker wrote: Yes. Except that I want anyone to be able to change their own experience, and limit who they share their information with. In practice I think that will mean the user interface will change very fast and be much more diverse, because it will have 300 million people contributing to its improvements instead of 300. So you want Geocities with some minimal imposed structure and an attached messaging scheme? No, not at all, although I do anticipate a Geocities-like or pouet-like diversity of visual themes. On Geocities you could only change your own pages, not how you saw everybody else's pages, and, until the wide adoption of CSS, you couldn't even copy a style from someone else's page to your own automatically. What I have in mind is, say, I add a new heuristic to the UI I use to filter spam out of my comments, and share it with my friends so they can add the same heuristic to their copy of the same UI with a single click. Also Geocities was centralized, so many of the pages hosted on it have been lost now, even though people were interested in them. The big benefit that Facebook, or MySpace, has over Geocities is not that it has messaging, but that the data is sufficiently semantically rich to support things like delete this post, show me several posts on one page, hide the rest of this post until the user clicks on it, the intersection between this event's attendee list and my friends list, and so on. Maybe you see that as imposed structure but I don't think it is. -- To unsubscribe: http://lists.canonical.org/mailman/listinfo/kragen-discuss
Re: scalable flooding information distribution in JS
On Fri, 2012-03-23 at 16:05 -0400, Kragen Javier Sitaker wrote: On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 12:54:29PM -0700, Joe Blaylock wrote: On Fri, 2012-03-23 at 15:46 -0400, Kragen Javier Sitaker wrote: Yes. Except that I want anyone to be able to change their own experience, and limit who they share their information with. In practice I think that will mean the user interface will change very fast and be much more diverse, because it will have 300 million people contributing to its improvements instead of 300. So you want Geocities with some minimal imposed structure and an attached messaging scheme? No, not at all, although I do anticipate a Geocities-like or pouet-like diversity of visual themes. On Geocities you could only change your own pages, not how you saw everybody else's pages, and, until the wide adoption of CSS, you couldn't even copy a style from someone else's page to your own automatically. What I have in mind is, say, I add a new heuristic to the UI I use to filter spam out of my comments, and share it with my friends so they can add the same heuristic to their copy of the same UI with a single click. Have you spent any time playing with tiddlyspace? The restrictions on the degree to which this is possible there seem to be mostly because they haven't figured out good ways to build the UI. The underlying mechanism of 'everything is a tiddler' and permits behavior similar to what you describe. Anyway it might be worth playing around with just for ideas. The big benefit that Facebook, or MySpace, has over Geocities is not that it has messaging, but that the data is sufficiently semantically rich to support things like delete this post, show me several posts on one page, hide the rest of this post until the user clicks on it, the intersection between this event's attendee list and my friends list, and so on. Maybe you see that as imposed structure but I don't think it is. Please tease out the difference between what you think I mean and what you mean, because I don't understand how I don't think it is is a reasonable way to end that paragraph. Joe signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- To unsubscribe: http://lists.canonical.org/mailman/listinfo/kragen-discuss
