KR> Fw: Pilot Weight

[Joe Coggiano]

Please excuse my ignorance. Yes thats exactly what you did.
For some unknown reason I misinterpeted your simple explanation
to mean the heaviest weight from each seat taken solo since
my current operations manual from a different aircraft that I
constructed, specified max weight from each seat solo,
which was front and back.
  Thank you for taking the time to straighten me out.
Joe





From: R. Human 
To: KRnet 
Sent: Tue, January 19, 2010 6:12:41 PM
Subject: RE: KR> Fw: Pilot Weight

If you go back to my first reply - I said I limit my "Seat Weight" to 360
lbs. That's total for both seats! Now being that the seats are side by side
- I have found through various weights in the right and left seats it
doesn't make any difference how you distribute that weight, so I would
extrapolate from that, that up to 360 lbs on the center line should be just
fine.

Don't know how I can make it any plainer!

Rick Human
N202RH
Houston, Tx

KR> Hiney placement KR2 - Single

[Brad Ankerstar]

Gary,

My seat is on the centerline with side panels on both sides.  I weigh 220 
and the plane is 587 empty.

Brad Ankerstar, SW Ohio
N774A, KR2R (Testing)


- Original Message - 
From: "Gary Shubert" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 6:51 PM
Subject: KR> Hiney placement KR2 - Single

Brad's KR2 appears to be a single seat version with the pilot seat off the
fuselage centerline to the left with some type of storage compartment on the
right.

I am doing a mock up of my cockpit of my KR2 (single place) at this time
(too cold for glass work) and I am planning on putting my hiney on the
centerline.  My thought process is related to balance in roll.



Gary Shubert

East Hampton, CT 06424





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KR> Fw: Pilot Weight

[R. Human]

If you go back to my first reply - I said I limit my "Seat Weight" to 360
lbs. That's total for both seats! Now being that the seats are side by side
- I have found through various weights in the right and left seats it
doesn't make any difference how you distribute that weight, so I would
extrapolate from that, that up to 360 lbs on the center line should be just
fine.

Don't know how I can make it any plainer!

Rick Human
N202RH
Houston, Tx




-Original Message-
From: krnet-bounces+rahuman=peoplepc@mylist.net
[mailto:krnet-bounces+rahuman=peoplepc@mylist.net] On Behalf Of Joe
Coggiano
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 6:55 PM
To: KRnet
Subject: Re: KR> Fw: Pilot Weight

Please excuse me, but I am leaving in previous emails
for clarification to anyone who may see this 4 the ist time.

According to your reply u might be stating:
370 from center seat?

Joe





From: R. Human 
To: KRnet 
Sent: Tue, January 19, 2010 1:10:21 PM
Subject: RE: KR> Fw: Pilot Weight

My particular situation is 145/150# left seat, 210# Right seat and I didn't
notice any imbalance requiring a stick deflection. I have a header tank, I
would think that if you had a fuel inbalance in wing tanks it would be
noticeable.

Solo from the left seat it handles the same except it climbs faster and
requires a little more up trim.

Rick 

-Original Message-
From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net] On Behalf
Of Joe Coggiano
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 1:59 PM
To: KRnet
Subject: Re: KR> Fw: Pilot Weight

Thank you. I mean all things considered as follows:
2 seat 1 occupant in either seat; would this equal a single
centered seat single occupant or does the weight have
to be distributed side to side for max carrying capability.
Joe






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KR> Hiney placement KR2 - Single

[Richard Collins]

I originally flew my KR2 from the left, but, because of my height, I got a 
stiff neck from holding my head at an angle.  I then started flying from the 
center.  The only difference I noticed was that I just had to get used to what 
it looked like to fly from the center.  However, there was no noticeable 
difference in flight characteristics that I could tell.  
 
The KR2 I had was stable, but, when I started flying from the center, I cut the 
control stick in half so I could swing my leg over the stick and continue to 
land from the left side.  I will say its sensitivity to pitch went up in spades.
 


--- On Tue, 1/19/10, Gary Shubert  wrote:


From: Gary Shubert 
Subject: KR> Hiney placement KR2 - Single
To: kr...@mylist.net
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: Tuesday, January 19, 2010, 6:51 PM


I took a look at Brad Ankerstar's KR2 pictures and it has raised a question
(at least for me).



Brad's KR2 appears to be a single seat version with the pilot seat off the
fuselage centerline to the left with some type of storage compartment on the
right.

I am doing a mock up of my cockpit of my KR2 (single place) at this time
(too cold for glass work) and I am planning on putting my hiney on the
centerline.  My thought process is related to balance in roll.



Now having said that I just realized that many of those who are building 2
place KR's tend to fly then solo a lot and thus they are off the centerline
with their hineys. 



So how big of a deal is it to have the CG left or right of the centerline?
Do those with wing tanks compensate by using fuel burns to balance?  What
about aileron trim tabs for this (I would rather not).



By the way from what I can tell I make about 2 Mark Langfords tipping the
scale at 240.





Gary Shubert

East Hampton, CT 06424





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KR> Fw: Pilot Weight

[Joe Coggiano]

Please excuse me, but I am leaving in previous emails
for clarification to anyone who may see this 4 the ist time.

According to your reply u might be stating:
370 from center seat?

Joe





From: R. Human 
To: KRnet 
Sent: Tue, January 19, 2010 1:10:21 PM
Subject: RE: KR> Fw: Pilot Weight

My particular situation is 145/150# left seat, 210# Right seat and I didn't
notice any imbalance requiring a stick deflection. I have a header tank, I
would think that if you had a fuel inbalance in wing tanks it would be
noticeable.

Solo from the left seat it handles the same except it climbs faster and
requires a little more up trim.

Rick 

-Original Message-
From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net] On Behalf
Of Joe Coggiano
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 1:59 PM
To: KRnet
Subject: Re: KR> Fw: Pilot Weight

Thank you. I mean all things considered as follows:
2 seat 1 occupant in either seat; would this equal a single
centered seat single occupant or does the weight have
to be distributed side to side for max carrying capability.
Joe






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KR> Hiney placement KR2 - Single

[Gary Shubert]

I took a look at Brad Ankerstar's KR2 pictures and it has raised a question
(at least for me).



Brad's KR2 appears to be a single seat version with the pilot seat off the
fuselage centerline to the left with some type of storage compartment on the
right.

I am doing a mock up of my cockpit of my KR2 (single place) at this time
(too cold for glass work) and I am planning on putting my hiney on the
centerline.  My thought process is related to balance in roll.



Now having said that I just realized that many of those who are building 2
place KR's tend to fly then solo a lot and thus they are off the centerline
with their hineys. 



So how big of a deal is it to have the CG left or right of the centerline?
Do those with wing tanks compensate by using fuel burns to balance?  What
about aileron trim tabs for this (I would rather not).



By the way from what I can tell I make about 2 Mark Langfords tipping the
scale at 240.





Gary Shubert

East Hampton, CT 06424

KR> Off Subject

[Larry Flesner]

At 04:38 PM 1/19/2010, you wrote:
>Here ya go . . . http://vb.taylorcraft.org/
+++


That address seems to be broke but do a google search 
using  taylorcraft.org and it will get you there.

Larry Flesner

KR> Sensitive in pitch.

[Dan Heath]

I have a KR2, stock but heavy (680# empty), and it is so stable that I can
fly it hands off.  It is all in the weight being forward.  Still sensitive
when you go to jerking the stick around, but very easy to fly.  A stock KR2S
should give you even better handling, not that it is needed.

See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics 
See you at the 2010 - KR Gathering in Richmond, Ky - I39
There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for Flying
has begun.
Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC

-Original Message-

I would not own an aircraft that sensitive in pitch. I extended my KR2SS 28
inches (two extra bays) to insure a stable cross country airplane.

KR> Off Subject

[bobby burington]

Here ya go . . . http://vb.taylorcraft.org/  

--- On Tue, 1/19/10, Charles Burkholder  wrote:


From: Charles Burkholder 
Subject: KR> Off Subject
To: "KRnet" 
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: Tuesday, January 19, 2010, 2:27 PM


    Do any of you guys know if there's a .net for taylorcraft airplanes???
Charles
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KR> Off Subject

[Charles Burkholder]

Do any of you guys know if there's a .net for taylorcraft airplanes???
Charles

KR> Fw: Pilot Weight

[R. Human]

My particular situation is 145/150# left seat, 210# Right seat and I didn't
notice any imbalance requiring a stick deflection. I have a header tank, I
would think that if you had a fuel inbalance in wing tanks it would be
noticeable.

Solo from the left seat it handles the same except it climbs faster and
requires a little more up trim.

Rick 

-Original Message-
From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net] On Behalf
Of Joe Coggiano
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 1:59 PM
To: KRnet
Subject: Re: KR> Fw: Pilot Weight

Thank you. I mean all things considered as follows:
2 seat 1 occupant in either seat; would this equal a single
centered seat single occupant or does the weight have
to be distributed side to side for max carrying capability.
Joe

KR> Fw: Pilot Weight

[Joe Coggiano]

Thank you. I mean all things considered as follows:
2 seat 1 occupant in either seat; would this equal a single
centered seat single occupant or does the weight have
to be distributed side to side for max carrying capability.
Joe





From: R. Human 
To: KRnet 
Sent: Tue, January 19, 2010 10:48:08 AM
Subject: RE: KR> Fw: Pilot Weight

Depends on a multitude of things (OAT - hence density altitude, CG, etc.) -
I operate near sea level have a gross weight of 1150, and based on
sandbagging have limited my "seat weight" to 360lbs total. In the hot Texas
summer I usually want to drop that as much as possible. FYI my personal
empty weight is @ 145lbs.

As many have said before - your results Will vary!


Rick Human
N202RH
Houston, Tx



Joe Coggiano wrote

Does anyone know what the heaviest person
or persons that the KR has accommodated 


Joe



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KR> Fw: Pilot Weight

[R. Human]

Depends on a multitude of things (OAT - hence density altitude, CG, etc.) -
I operate near sea level have a gross weight of 1150, and based on
sandbagging have limited my "seat weight" to 360lbs total. In the hot Texas
summer I usually want to drop that as much as possible. FYI my personal
empty weight is @ 145lbs.

As many have said before - your results Will vary!


Rick Human
N202RH
Houston, Tx



Joe Coggiano wrote

Does anyone know what the heaviest person
or persons that the KR has accommodated 


Joe



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KR> Vee-tailed KRs? Different airfoils for faster cruise with higher horsepower?

[Gunnar Olsen]

Welcome to the list, and the best source of KR information, John.

I have not seen anything about v tails before, as for the airfoil, I 
think this will explain most of it.

http://www.krnet.org/as504x/

Best Regards

Gunnar Olsen
Siljan, Norway

> a.) Has there ever been any discussion about putting  vee-tails on 
> KRs.you know, ala Monnet Waiex &/or Beech  Bonanzas?
>  
> b.)  Has there ever been ANY discussion about building  any different 
> airfoils to utilize [much!] greater horsepower for faster  cruise?
>
>   

KR> Fw: Pilot Weight

[Joe Coggiano]

- Forwarded Message 
From: Joe Coggiano 
To: kr...@mylist.com
Sent: Tue, January 19, 2010 9:28:43 AM
Subject: Pilot Weight


Does anyone know what the heaviest person
or persons that the KR has accommodated 
I have seen a 2 place KR built with one seat
centered.

Joe

KR> Vee-tailed KRs? Different airfoils for faster cruise with higher horsepower?

[jtw...@aol.com]

New to the net, as of this morning, so please bear with me if  this inquiry 
does not meet all the 'formal' criteria  delineated  - - I will do better 
next time.



I HAVE checked the archives - - either I didn't do it correctly or  my 
questions have not been previously addressed.



a.) Has there ever been any discussion about putting  vee-tails on 
KRs.you know, ala Monnet Waiex &/or Beech  Bonanzas?

b.)  Has there ever been ANY discussion about building  any different 
airfoils to utilize [much!] greater horsepower for faster  cruise?

Thanks for any/all pointers.


Cordially, 

John Weatherbie, Union Park, Fla.
_jtwxby@aol.com_ (mailto:jtw...@aol.com)  

KR> Stick forces

[BadBob]

My Cassutt is probably close to a KR. I have a friend with a Lancair 235 
sporting an 0-290. He and I are both over 200lbs resulting in a rearward cg.. 
When I first flew the aircraft it took a concerted effort to to not cause pilot 
induced oscillations. 

To fly it required "caging" the stick until flying for a few minutes. I would 
not own an aircraft that sensitive in pitch. I extended my KR2SS 28 inches (two 
extra bays) to insure a stable cross country airplane.

Bob Johnson
Oregon, USA
badbob0...@embarqmail.com

KR> O 200 engine mount for KR 2 S

[Randy irons]

Paul, I'd like a copy of those drawings if possible.

Randy
randy.ir...@comcast.net

On Tue, 2010-01-19 at 18:31 +1000, Paul & Karen Smith wrote:
> Franco, I have O-200 drawings for KR-2s
> Would you like me to send to your e-mail address?
> 
> Paul Smith
> Brisbane, AUSTRALIA
> pk.sm...@bigpond.net.au
> http://kr2spacemodulator.blogspot.com/
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> An alternative solution are drawings to built my self.
> 
> 
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