KR> Night Legal

[Kenneth B. Jones]

Don?t have a clue.  Haven?t heard from the Pig in a couple of years.

Ken

On May 19, 2015, at 5:31 AM, Dan Heath via KRnet  
wrote:

> Hey Ken, is the Porkopolis Pig still flying?
> 

KR> Night Legal

[Kenneth B. Jones]

For aircraft with Standard Airworthiness Certificates this is defined in 14 CFR 
part 91.205.  This doesn?t apply to Special, Experimental, Amateur Built, 
unless invoked by your limitations which are a part of your airworthiness 
certificate.

Ken Jones
KHAO
N5834 - Sold
N905SX -  Flying
N93SA - Repairing/converting to Fixed Tryicycle

On May 18, 2015, at 7:50 PM, Dan Heath via KRnet  
wrote:

> I have been told that to be night legal, I must have Nav/position/strobe,
> which I knew, and landing/taxi lights.  Is that true, that you must have
> landing lights to be night legal?
> 
> 
> 
> See N64KR at   http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on
> the pics 
> 
> 
> 
> 2015 KR Gathering - McMinnville, OR.  September 3 - 6 -- See U There.
> 
> 
> 
> Peoples Choice at 2013 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il - MVN 
> 
> Best KR at 2013 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il - MVN 
> 
> Best Interior at 2013 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il - MVN 
> 
> Best Paint at 2013 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il - MVN 
> 
> Best Firwwall Forward at 2013 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il - MVN 
> 
> 
> 
> Best Interior and Panel at 2008 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il - MVN
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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KR> Radio call type designator

[Kenneth B. Jones]

Read your Operating Limitations.  The below paragraph (28) is from the standard 
 "Operating Limitations" for Special, Experimental, Amateur Built aircraft, 
imposed on DARs and ASIs by FAA Order 8130.2 when issuing airworthiness 
certificates.   So there is a requirement, assuming you have this limitation, 
and you are flying into or out of an airport with a control tower.  Most but 
not all pilots carry this over into uncontrolled fields.



b. The following operating limitations SHALL be prescribed to experimental 
amateur-built aircraft:

...  (28) The pilot in command of this aircraft must notify air traffic control 
of the experimental nature of this aircraft when operating into or out of 
airports with an operational control tower. When filing IFR, the experimental 
nature of this aircraft must be listed in the remarks section of the flight 
plan. 



Ken Jones

KR> Midwest kr2 owners

[Kenneth B. Jones]

EAA Chapter 974, located at KHAO, Hangar T-5, meets at 1400 the first Sunday 
each month.   KRs and KR aficionados are always welcome.

Ken Jones
Ex-Porkopolis Pig Herder


On Mar 27, 2014, at 10:03 AM, michael inskeep wrote:

> you may want to contact the eaa chapter at the Hamilton airport in
> Cincinnati area . they have a few kr's  in various stages. sorry I don't
> know the chapter #.
> 
> 
> On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 6:19 AM, gixxer1on1 at att.net  att.net>wrote:
> 
>> Hi.
>> My I'm Dan. I just joined on here. I have an interest in a kr2. I just
>> finished my checkride and am looking into different planes to purchase. Kr2
>> caught my interest with the affordability or purchase and fuel. Also I like
>> that they have a respectable cruise speed. I have never actually seen one
>> in person or had the chance to talk to an owner/builder. I am located just
>> west of indianapolis indiana. If there is anybody that would be interested
>> in meeting up some time so I can check their KR out in person and chat for
>> a min it would be greatly appreciated. Thank you for your time.
>> 
>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
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KR> Third Class Medical

[Kenneth B. Jones]

If you want to continue flying your KR after you're a little older or just 
think the 3rd class medical doesn't do much but cost you time and money, 
consider signing the petition below, AND write/call/email your Senators, 
Representative, the Speaker , the Majority Leader, and both Minority Leaders. 
This is not a partisan issue.

Let's help get rid of the third class medical! Sign this petition, it seems 
there is considerable progress on this and we can add to the momentum. 

http://govt.eaa.org/14781/support-general-aviation-pilot-protection-act/?src=widget
 

Ken Jones
Currently flying "light sport"

KR> Firewall material

[Kenneth B. Jones]

We're NOT certifying under Part 23.  The info I provided was in response to a 
question from John.  But, if you want to do the test, you can get some ideas 
from http://www.fire.tc.faa.gov/handbook.stm


On Mar 15, 2014, at 9:12 AM, Rogelio Serrano wrote:

> On 15 Mar 2014 12:52, "Kenneth B. Jones"  wrote:
>> 
> Snipped...
>> 
>> 
>> John/Rogelio,
>> 
>> IF certifying under FAR 23, and using other than the listed materials,
> then the fire test is required. Who knows?  Perhaps .005" stainless over
> Fiberfrax is better than .015 stainless.
>> 
>> Ken
> 
> I agree. Someone needs to do the test...
> 
> Wonder what's needed. thermal camera and a big enough burner and of course
> firewall material.
> 
>> 
>>> ?23.1191
>>> (h) THE FOLLOWING MATERIALS MAY BE USED in firewalls or shrouds
> "WITHOUT BEING TESTED" as required by this section:
>> 
> 
>-
>>> (1) Stainless steel sheet, 0.015 inch thick.
>>> (2) Mild steel sheet (coated with aluminum or otherwise protected
> against
>>> corrosion) 0.018 inch thick.
>>> (3) Terne plate, 0.018 inch thick.
>>> (4) Monel metal, 0.018 inch thick.
>>> (5) Steel or copper base alloy firewall fittings.
>>> (6) Titanium sheet, 0.016 inch thick.
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KR> Firewall material

[Kenneth B. Jones]

> 
> 


On Mar 15, 2014, at 7:51 AM, Rogelio Serrano wrote:

> .015 in Stainless seem to be the only option...

On Mar 15, 2014, at 7:39 AM, John Bouyea wrote:

> Thanks for digging up the reference Ken! I'll see what I can do. 
> 
> Right off the bat, the existing plans method for constructing our aircraft
> with .005 stainless doesn't meet Part 23 requirements in any regard...

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=



John/Rogelio,

IF certifying under FAR 23, and using other than the listed materials, then the 
fire test is required. Who knows?  Perhaps .005" stainless over Fiberfrax is 
better than .015 stainless.

Ken

> ?23.1191
> (h) THE FOLLOWING MATERIALS MAY BE USED in firewalls or shrouds "WITHOUT 
> BEING TESTED" as required by this section:
    
  -
> (1) Stainless steel sheet, 0.015 inch thick.
> (2) Mild steel sheet (coated with aluminum or otherwise protected against
> corrosion) 0.018 inch thick.
> (3) Terne plate, 0.018 inch thick.
> (4) Monel metal, 0.018 inch thick.
> (5) Steel or copper base alloy firewall fittings.
> (6) Titanium sheet, 0.016 inch thick.

KR> Firewall material

[Kenneth B. Jones]

On Mar 14, 2014, at 11:18 PM, John Bouyea wrote:

>  Anyone
> make a reference as to what heat level/ temprature and duration is
> "approved" as a test?
> 


2000 degrees F for 15 minutes, per part 23.
?23.1191   Firewalls.
(a) Each engine, auxiliary power unit, fuel burning heater, and other 
combustion equipment, must be isolated from the rest of the airplane by 
firewalls, shrouds, or equivalent means.

(b) Each firewall or shroud must be constructed so that no hazardous quantity 
of liquid, gas, or flame can pass from the compartment created by the firewall 
or shroud to other parts of the airplane.

(c) Each opening in the firewall or shroud must be sealed with close fitting, 
fireproof grommets, bushings, or firewall fittings.

(d) [Reserved]

(e) Each firewall and shroud must be fireproof and protected against corrosion.

(f) Compliance with the criteria for fireproof materials or components must be 
shown as follows:

(1) The flame to which the materials or components are subjected must be 2,000 
?150 ?F.

(2) Sheet materials approximately 10 inches square must be subjected to the 
flame from a suitable burner.

(3) The flame must be large enough to maintain the required test temperature 
over an area approximately five inches square.

(g) Firewall materials and fittings must resist flame penetration for at least 
15 minutes.

(h) The following materials may be used in firewalls or shrouds without being 
tested as required by this section:

(1) Stainless steel sheet, 0.015 inch thick.

(2) Mild steel sheet (coated with aluminum or otherwise protected against 
corrosion) 0.018 inch thick.

(3) Terne plate, 0.018 inch thick.

(4) Monel metal, 0.018 inch thick.

(5) Steel or copper base alloy firewall fittings.

(6) Titanium sheet, 0.016 inch thick.

KR> KR2S LSA

[Kenneth B. Jones]

Just a slight correction to the numbers.  The LSA speed and weight numbers are:
Maximum gross takeoff weight?1,320 lbs, or 1,430 lbs for seaplanes.
Maximum stall speed?51 mph (45 knots) CAS
Maximum speed in level flight with maximum continuous power (Vh)?138 mph (120 
knots) CAS
There are other restrictions such as fixed pitch fixed gear (for land planes), 
etc., too.  

Ken Jones
KHAO


On Dec 16, 2013, at 4:39 PM, Lawrence Bell wrote:

> William, the LSA requirements have to be met when you register. Most KR
> builders want performance which will not be LSA. If you look at the
> performance chart of KR-2's some meet the requirement but most don't. Flaps
> do not help because the stall requirement is without flaps, as in what if
> they don't work. The max speed is 152 knots and stall is under 50 without
> augmentation. I would assume the right prop would limit your speed but you
> need low weight and high wing area to get stall speed.
>Larry Bell
> 
> 

KR> Electronic Instruments

[Kenneth B. Jones]

IMPORTANT!!  See the first sentence in 91.205.  Read it carefully.  
"Homebuilts" don't have a "standard category" airworthiness certificate.   
Homebuilts have a Special, Experimental, Amateur-built certificate.  91.205 
does not apply to your homebuilt, except as invoked by your letter of 
limitations.  Typically, the letter of limitations only invokes 91.205 if your 
flying at night and/or IFR.This means that NONE OF THE ITEMS CALLED OUT IN 
91.205 are required by regulations if you are flying day, VFR in an 
amateur-built plane.  BTW, This is something I learned on the KRnet a few years 
ago.

Sec. 91.205

Powered civil aircraft with "standard category" U.S. airworthiness 
certificates: Instrument and equipment requirements.

KEN JONES



On Aug 25, 2012, at 10:34 AM, Larry&Sallie Flesner wrote:

> At 07:34 AM 8/25/2012, you wrote:
>> On my airworthiness inspection application, I stated the aircraft would be
>> VFR day/night.  The night flight part required a backup mechanical air speed
>> indicator.
> +
> 
> I have copied below the FAR 91.205 that states what equipment / 
> instruments are required for day and night VFR.  It does not require 
> backup instruments.  If your electronic instruments are "approved 
> equivalents" for day VFR then they are good for night VFR.  How many 
> of us are aware we need anti-collision lights for day VFR?  I 
> wasn't.  I'd get your backup instrument requirements removed so you 
> don't have to live with that for the life of the airplane.  I think 
> your inspector was pulling in parts of FAR part 23 which I don't 
> think applies to experimental aircraft.  Check it out further and 
> make them get it right.  I think you had an inspector that went off 
> the deep end.  Just my opinion.
> 
> Larry Flesner
> 
> 
> Code of Federal Regulations
> 
> 
> 
> Hide details for Sec. 91.205
> Sec. 91.205
> 
> Part 91 GENERAL OPERATING AND FLIGHT RULES
> Subpart C--Equipment, Instrument, and Certificate Requirements
> 
> Sec. 91.205
> 
> Powered civil aircraft with standard category U.S. airworthiness 
> certificates: Instrument and equipment requirements.
> 
> (a) General. Except as provided in paragraphs (c)(3) and (e) of this 
> section, no person may operate a powered civil aircraft with a 
> standard category U.S. airworthiness certificate in any operation 
> described in paragraphs (b) through (f) of this section unless that 
> aircraft contains the instruments and equipment specified in those 
> paragraphs (or FAA-approved equivalents) for that type of operation, 
> and those instruments and items of equipment are in operable condition.
> 
> (b) Visual-flight rules (day). For VFR flight during the day, the 
> following instruments and equipment are required:
> 
> (1) Airspeed indicator.
> (2) Altimeter.
> (3) Magnetic direction indicator.
> (4) Tachometer for each engine.
> (5) Oil pressure gauge for each engine using pressure system.
> (6) Temperature gauge for each liquid-cooled engine.
> (7) Oil temperature gauge for each air-cooled engine.
> (8) Manifold pressure gauge for each altitude engine.
> (9) Fuel gauge indicating the quantity of fuel in each tank.
> (10) Landing gear position indicator, if the aircraft has a 
> retractable landing gear.
> (11) For small civil airplanes certificated after March 11, 1996, in 
> accordance with part 23 of this chapter, an approved aviation red or 
> aviation white anticollision light system. In the event of failure of 
> any light of the anticollision light system, operation of the 
> aircraft may continue to a location where repairs or replacement can be made.
> 
> (12) If the aircraft is operated for hire over water and beyond 
> power-off gliding distance from shore, approved flotation gear 
> readily available to each occupant and, unless the aircraft is 
> operating under part 121 of this subchapter, at least one pyrotechnic 
> signaling device. As used in this section, "shore" means that area of 
> the land adjacent to the water which is above the high water mark and 
> excludes land areas which are intermittently under water.
> (13) An approved safety belt with an approved metal-to-metal latching 
> device for each occupant 2 years of age or older.
> (14) For small civil airplanes manufactured after July 18, 1978, an 
> approved shoulder harness for each front seat. The shoulder harness 
> must be designed to protect the occupant from serious head injury 
> when the occupant experiences the ultimate inertia forces specified 
> in Sec. 23.561(b)(2) of this chapter. Each shoulder harness installed 
> at a flight crewmember station must permit the crewmember, when 
> seated and with the safety belt and shoulder harness fastened, to 
> perform all functions necessary for flight operations. For purposes 
> of this paragraph--
> 
>

KR> First Flight - NOT

[Kenneth B. Jones]

In fact, if your experimental, amateur built plane is day VFR only, NO 
instruments are required by the regs.  Did the FSDO include these requirements 
in your letter of limitations?

Ken jones

On Aug 24, 2012, at 7:29 PM, Sid Wood wrote:

> I took my KR-2 to the airport in November, 2011, expecting to wait two or 
> three months for the FAA inspection, then go fly.  Not so fast: fuel pump 
> problems, transponder calibration, additional back-up airspeed indicator and 
> wet compass installation (yes, N6242 has 2 ASI and 3 magnetic compasses per 
> FSDO mandate), delayed FAA Airworthiness Inspection, brake pedal problems, 
> Ethanol fuel induced problems, carb overhaul and fuel leaks have all but 
> ground flying to a halt.  All those problems were fixed.  Today was to be 
> the day to fly.   Just top off the tanks and go put air under the tires. 
> Not so fast: Eagle Eye Bernie Wunder spots a drip while at the fuel pumps. 
> The drip turns into a minor gusher.  The left fuel tank is hemorrhaging 
> badly and pronounced DOA back at the hangar.  The left wing is now back in 
> my shop awaiting repairs.  My intention is to rip out the fiberglass rib 
> walls and install aluminum tanks.  This experimental aircraft stuff does 
> somewhat build character.
> 
> Sid Wood
> Tri-Gear KR-2 N6242
> Mechanicsville, MD, USA
> smw...@md.metrocast.net
> 
> 
> 
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KR> Kr2-egb, primer vuelo/ FIRST FLIGHT

[Kenneth B. Jones]

- Original Message - 
From: "Eduardo Barros" 
To: "KRnet" 
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2012 8:09 AM
Subject: KR> Kr2-egb, primer vuelo


Hello

I want  to present my airplane the Kr2-egb in its first flight.

Les quiero presentar mi avion el Kr2-egb en su primer vuelo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=od70s99V5_g


Saludos
Eduardo Barros
San Pedro, Bs. As., Argentina

Mail: edua...@kr2-egb.com.ar
Visite el proyecto de construcción del avión experimental "Kr2 EGB": 
www.kr2-egb.com.ar
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KR> Spring trim system

[Kenneth B. Jones]

It is true that Sonex will only sell parts to a REGISTERED PLANS OWNER. 
That means if you buy plans or even a complete Sonex, you have to register 
as owner of the plans number with Sonex before they will sell you any Sonex 
parts.  This includes paying a fee of $100 and signing away your liability 
rights (or sending them several thousand dollars more).  The message is that 
if you want to buy any parts from Sonex, make friends with a "registered 
plans owner".

Ken Jones




"Can you buy parts from Sonex?  For some reason I'm under the impression
they'll only sell parts to plans holders.  Love to be wrong about that.

Cheers,

Tony King
Queensland Australia"

KR> Vne/Flutter

[Kenneth B. Jones]

Rudi,

"Vne" is marked as IAS (based on having a calibrated airspeed indicator). 
But before you go too fast at high altitude, please read 
http://vansaircraft.com/pdf/hp_limts.pdf .  It's very enlightening.

Ken Jones




- Original Message - 
From: "Rudi Venter" 
To: "'KRnet'" 
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2011 10:57 AM
Subject: KR> KR2 VNE ?



A quick question about the KR2's VNE. I know it is officially 200mph, is
that IAS or TAS? I know some planes have exceeded this, what would be a
safe figure for a KR2 without elevator or rudder counterbalances? I know
this is not s simple question I am just looking at an approximate figure.

I am really more interested in high altitude (lets say 20K feet) speed
where the difference between IAS and TAS becomes significant.

KR> VW dip stick

[Kenneth B. Jones]

Aerovee uses a flexible dip stick.

Ken jones


- Original Message - 
From: "Pete and Karen Gauthier" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, September 23, 2011 12:57 AM
Subject: KR> VW dip stick


I have a HAPI 1835 with a Rand Cowl.  The dip stick is easily accessible 
through the air intake but it cannot be removed without removing the top of 
the cowl.  How do those that are flying VW access the dip stick.  do you 
Modify the dipstick, cut a door in the cowl, remove the cowl?  Any adverse 
affects from cutting the dip stick tube?

Thanks,

Pete Gauthier
Woodburn OR
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KR> Magellan 315 GPS Aviation Database

[Kenneth B. Jones]

Does anyone have a Magellan 315 GPS with an aviation database that they 
would like to sell?  Or the means of installing an aviation database into a 
Magellan 315?  If so please contact me at kenbjo...@cinci.rr.com.

Thanks,

Ken Jones, kenbjo...@cinci.rr.com
Sharonville, OH
EAA Chapter 974 - www.eaa974.com - Home of 4 KRs
KHAO

http://www.pilotsnpaws.org/

KR> C of G

[Kenneth B. Jones]

Mark L. wrote: "Hopefully you already know this, but what really counts 
is the CG with no
fuel and a light pilot to define the front of the range, and full fuel,
passengers, and baggage up to gross weight to define the aft limit."

This may be true with wing tanks only, but if you have only a header tank, 
forward CG limits the full fuel, light pilot and no baggage case while aft 
CG limits the empty fuel, pilot, passenger and baggage case.

Ken Jones 

KR> lifting tail

[Kenneth B. Jones]

Paul,

Where is your datum in relation to the leading edge of your wing?

Ken Jones

- Original Message - 
From: 
To: "KRnet" 
Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 8:14 PM
Subject: Re: KR> lifting tail




34 lbs @ 142.5 ARM the cg is 10.75 empty and 13.3 as loaded.



This is stretched 2ft aft of cockpit and FW moved forward 2".



Total weight 916



Paul OReilly
KR2 Stretched
N7970K
Derry, NH

- Original Message - 
From: "Dan Heath" 
To: "KRnet" 
Sent: Monday, August 9, 2010 7:56:05 PM
Subject: RE: KR> lifting tail

Paul,

When you did your W & B, how much weight was on the tailwheel?



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Paul OReilly
KR2 Stretched
N7970K
Derry, NH

- Original Message - 
From: "Dan Heath" 
To: "KRnet" 
Sent: Monday, August 9, 2010 7:56:05 PM
Subject: RE: KR> lifting tail

Paul,

When you did your W & B, how much weight was on the tailwheel?



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KR> KR for sale on ebay, item number 230438970602

[Kenneth B. Jones]

There is a very nice KR-1.5 for sale on ebay, item number 230438970602.

Ken Jones
KHAO 

KR> wing airfoils

[Kenneth B. Jones]

Try this.

http://www.ae.uiuc.edu/m-selig/ads/coord_database.html#N

Ken Jones, kenbjo...@cinci.rr.com
Sharonville, OH
Flew N5834, aka The Porkopolis Flying Pig, KR-2
Was Building N45WL, White Lightning
EAA Chapter 974 - www.eaa974.com -
KHAO
http://www.pilotsnpaws.org/

- Original Message - 
From: "L. D. Mueller" 
To: "'KRnet'" 
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 3:37 PM
Subject: KR> wing airfoils


Does any one know the difference between the NACA 2412 and 4412, Clark Y,
and the 35B airfoils?

--other than numbers/letters ;-)

And where/how could I get templates?



Thanks in advance!



L. D. Mueller

Cuba City WI



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KR> MERFI - Mid Eastern Regional Fly-In Urbana Ohio

[Kenneth B. Jones]

KRnetters,

Here's a nice fly-in for anyone looking for somewhere to fly.

Please forward to your flying buddies


MERFI - Mid Eastern Regional Fly-In Urbana Ohio

I74 - Grimes Field Urbana, Ohio
September 12 & 13, 2009
Gate: $6 per adult, kids 12 and under free.
Camping is available
Website: www.MERFI.com

Ken Jones - KHAO 

KR> Tiny Tach

[Kenneth B. Jones]

I installed a Tiny Tach on my A65 w/Slick mags and initially I couldn't 
understand how a coil of a few turns of wire wrapped around a shielded plug 
wire was going to pick up a signal, but I followed the instructions anyway. 
Well, it didn't, so I opened the shielding up with a scribe just enough to 
coil the signal wire around the plug wire behind/inside the shielding, 
solving the problem.  The tach indication was accurate when checked against 
an optical tach, and it was still functioning fine after more than 4 years & 
400 hours without a change of batteries.  I'm with Jeff.  I too imagine that 
electronic ignitions could give different results.

Ken Jones, kenbjo...@cinci.rr.com
Sharonville, OH
EAA Chapter 974 - www.eaa974.com - Home of 6 KRs

KR> Pig For Sale

[Kenneth B. Jones]

It is with heavy heart that I find myself needing to sell The Porkopolis 
Flying Pig, but that's where I am.  It is listed on Barnstormers.com.  For 
those of you who haven't seen her in person, go to 
http://www.krnet.org/krs/kjones/.

The Pig took me to The Gathering 5 times, Sun 'n Fun 4 times, Oshkosh 3 
times, El Paso once, Alabama and South Carolina a couple of times, PA once, 
and many other places in 500 hours of flight.  She never let me down and was 
the first of what is now 7 KRs or projects associated with EAA Chapter 974.

My best wishes to you all.

Ken Jones, kenbjo...@cinci.rr.com
Sharonville, OH
Flying N5834, aka The Porkopolis Flying Pig, KR-2
Building N45WL, White Lightning
EAA Chapter 974 - www.eaa974.com - Home of 6 KRs
KHAO
"I'm willing to give fishing lessons but I'm just about out of fish." - Ken 
Jones
http://www.pilotsnpaws.org/

: KR> Sun n Fun

[Kenneth B. Jones]

Off to Sun 'n Fun.

Ken Jones, kenbjo...@cinci.rr.com
Sharonville, OH
Flying N5834, aka The Porkopolis Flying Pig, KR-2
Building N45WL, White Lightning
EAA Chapter 974 - Home of 6 KRs
KHAO

KR> Another Cross Country

[Kenneth B. Jones]

The Flying Pig made another cross country this past week-end.  See 
http://www.kr2forum.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=844#844

Ken Jones 

KR> Backer Boots

[Kenneth B. Jones]

I assume athey are "boots" (for the tires) made by Mr. Backer.
- Original Message - 
From: 
To: "KRnet" 
Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2007 6:33 PM
Subject: Re: KR> Backer Boots


> Uh - maybe I'm dense or just uneducated but what are "Backer Boots"?
>
> Rick Human
> Houston, Texas
> - Original Message -
> From: "Dan Heath" 
> To: 
> Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2007 4:07 PM
> Subject: KR> Backer Boots
>
>
>> I just finished glassing the inside of my Backer Boots. >
>> > Those of you who have already done this, what areas did you apply
> stiffening
>> to, and did you just lay up glass, or did you build an angle using foam
> and
>> glass?
>>
>
>
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KR> X-Country Flight

[Kenneth B. Jones]

I flew to San Antonio last week.  Details at
http://www.kr2forum.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=235

Thanks again Tommy.

Ken Jones, kenbjo...@cinci.rr.com
Sharonville, OH
Flying N5834, aka The Porkopolis Flying Pig, KR-2
Building N45WL, White Lightning
EAA Chapter 974, Home of 6 KRs in various stages
KHAO

KR> Sun N Fun

[Kenneth B. Jones]

I plan to be there.  Timing depends on work, weather and the Pig.

Ken Jones, kenbjo...@cinci.rr.com
Sharonville, OH
N5834, aka The Porkopolis Flying Pig, KR-2
EAA Chapter 974 - KHAO

- Original Message - 
From: "Joseph H. Horton" 

> I have not seen a word on anyone planning on Sun N Fun for this year. I
> have April 19 to 22nd set aside to get there and get back home. Anyone
> made any plans?

KR> Attached photos

[Kenneth B. Jones]

Brad,

Go to http://www.kr2forum.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=160 or 
http://www.kr2forum.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=171.  When you scroll down 
the screen, you should see some attached photos.  If you don't, perhaps you 
have some restrictions set in your browser.

Ken 

KR> Cold Weather Flying

[Kenneth B. Jones]

Mark,

I flew today.  Temp was about 28 F. on the ground, 14 F. at 4500 ft.  (I'm 
more concerned about the pilot than the airplane.  I only have solar heat in 
my plane.)

The service ceiling on a Lancair IV/IVP is near 30,000 feet.  It gets pretty 
cold up there and they're all plastic.

Ken Jones, kenbjo...@cinci.rr.com
Sharonville, OH
N5834, aka The Porkopolis Flying Pig, KR-2
EAA Chapter 974 - KHAO

- Original Message - 
From: "Mark Jones" 
To: "KR Net (E-mail)" 
Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 4:10 PM
Subject: KR> Cold Weather Flying


How many of you fly in temps below freezing? I am again having withdrawal 
symptoms from not flying my KR. My last flight was January 7th due to the 
fact it has been below freezing here every day since then except for one day 
and I had to work that day. Our forecast says we will not get above 28° for 
the next 15 days. And they are saying our high this coming Tuesday will only 
be -1°. Now that's cold. Anyway, we have had a lot of blue skies but plastic 
gets brittle at those temps so I have opted to stay on the ground. I need to 
fly!!

Mark Jones (N886MJ)
Wales, WI
My Web site: http://www.flykr2s.com/
Mailto:flyk...@wi.rr.com


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KR> New net

[Kenneth B. Jones]

Bob,

Tell me one more time, because I'm not sure I got it the first time 
"How simple did you say this net is?"  :-)   :-)

(The two smiley faces are for me AND the Pig.)

Ken




- Original Message - 
From: "Bob Glidden" 
To: "KRnet" 
Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 9:59 PM
Subject: Re: KR> New net


> Sorry net was sending to Mark J and hit wrong address...
>
> Bob Glidden
> Eminence,Indiana
> KR2S N181FW (building)
> Corvair 110
> glid...@ccrtc.com
>
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KR> 1st Tricycle KR-2

[Kenneth B. Jones]

Does anyone know when the first fixed tricycle gear KR-2 was certificated?

Ken Jones, kenbjo...@cinci.rr.com
Sharonville, OH
N5834, aka The Porkopolis Flying Pig, KR-2
EAA Chapter 974 - KHAO

KR> props

[Kenneth B. Jones]

I agree with Larry.  The 2-blade should be more efficient if it is pitched 
right.  However, one benefit of the Warp 3-blade is that, if you have the 
time and patience, you can adjust it until it is pitched right (overall) for 
whatever you want, be it climb, cruise or whatever.  And if you make some 
aero improvements to your plane later, you can add more pitch at no cost. 
On the other hand, the amount of twist is always the same (just like on a 
constant speed prop).  There's almost always some compromise.  I'm quite 
satisfied with my Warp 3-blade prop, but I have to admit that I wish I had a 
2-blade prop, every time I start my A65.

Look at data at http://www.krnet.org/kr-info.html to see if your prop is in 
the ballpark.

Ken Jones, kenbjo...@cinci.rr.com
Sharonville, OH
N5834, aka The Porkopolis Flying Pig, KR-2
EAA Chapter 974 - KHAO



- Original Message - 
From: "Larry&Sallie Flesner" 
>
>>  I have a wood prop that reads 52x46.how much would I gain
>>with a slimmer 3 blade prop over this wood prop
>>___
>
>
> Nothing if the prop you have is pitched right for your
> engine and airplane.  Your two blade should be more
> efficient and faster in cruise if , like I said, it is pitched right.
>
> Larry Flesner

KR> VFR on top / over the top

[Kenneth B. Jones]

Larry,

Here's the answer (or at least part of it).

>From FAR Part 1, Definitions:  VFR over-the-top, with respect to the 
operation of aircraft, means the operation of an aircraft over-the-top under 
VFR when it is not being operated on an IFR flight plan.

>From the AIM:
  4-4-7. IFR Clearance VFR-on-top

  a. A pilot on an IFR flight plan operating in VFR weather conditions, 
may request VFR-on-top in lieu of an assigned altitude. This permits a pilot 
to select an altitude or flight level of their choice (subject to any ATC 
restrictions.)

  b. Pilots desiring to climb through a cloud, haze, smoke, or other 
meteorological formation and then either cancel their IFR flight plan or 
operate VFR-on-top may request a climb to VFR-on-top. The ATC authorization 
shall contain either a top report or a statement that no top report is 
available, and a request to report reaching VFR-on-top. Additionally, the 
ATC authorization may contain a clearance limit, routing and an alternative 
clearance if VFR-on-top is not reached by a specified altitude.

  c. A pilot on an IFR flight plan, operating in VFR conditions, may 
request to climb/descend in VFR conditions.

  d. ATC may not authorize VFR-on-top/VFR conditions operations unless 
the pilot requests the VFR operation or a clearance to operate in VFR 
conditions will result in noise abatement benefits where part of the IFR 
departure route does not conform to an FAA approved noise abatement route or 
altitude.

  e. When operating in VFR conditions with an ATC authorization to 
"maintain VFR-on-top/maintain VFR conditions" pilots on IFR flight plans 
must:

  1. Fly at the appropriate VFR altitude as prescribed in 14 CFR Section 
91.159.

  2. Comply with the VFR visibility and distance from cloud criteria in 
14 CFR Section 91.155 (Basic VFR Weather Minimums).

  3. Comply with instrument flight rules that are applicable to this 
flight; i.e., minimum IFR altitudes, position reporting, radio 
communications, course to be flown, adherence to ATC clearance, etc.

  NOTE-
  Pilots should advise ATC prior to any altitude change to insure the 
exchange of accurate traffic information.

  f. ATC authorization to "maintain VFR-on-top" is not intended to 
restrict pilots so that they must operate only above an obscuring 
meteorological formation (layer). Instead, it permits operation above, 
below, between layers, or in areas where there is no meteorological 
obscuration. It is imperative, however, that pilots understand that 
clearance to operate "VFR-on-top/VFR conditions" does not imply cancellation 
of the IFR flight plan.

  g. Pilots operating VFR-on-top/VFR conditions may receive traffic 
information from ATC on other pertinent IFR or VFR aircraft. However, 
aircraft operating in Class B airspace/TRSAs shall be separated as required 
by FAA Order 7110.65, Air Traffic Control.

  NOTE-
  When operating in VFR weather conditions, it is the pilot's 
responsibility to be vigilant so as to see-and-avoid other aircraft.

  h. ATC will not authorize VFR or VFR-on-top operations in Class A 
airspace.


5-5-13. VFR-on-top

a. Pilot.

1. This clearance must be requested by the pilot on an IFR flight plan, and 
if approved, allows the pilot the choice (subject to any ATC restrictions) 
to select an altitude or flight level in lieu of an assigned altitude.

NOTE-
VFR-on-top is not permitted in certain airspace areas, such as Class A 
airspace, certain restricted areas, etc. Consequently, IFR flights operating 
VFR-on-top will avoid such airspace.

Ken Jones, kenbjo...@cinci.rr.com
Sharonville, OH
N5834, aka The Porkopolis Flying Pig, KR-2
EAA Chapter 974 - KHAO

- Original Message - 
From: "Larry&Sallie Flesner" 
To: "KRnet" 
Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 5:34 PM
Subject: KR> VFR on top / over the top


> At 10:29 AM 12/7/2006, you wrote:
>>And closed-circuit note to Mark Langford: watch your terminology on
>>the flight with Larry.  "VFR on top" is not the same thing as "VFR
>>over the top".  The latter is a nifty and useful x-c travel tool for
>>non-instrument rated pilots, while the former is an IFR
>>procedure.  I know what you meant when you wrote it, but you never
>>know what kind of tattle-tales are lurking out there ;o)
>>Oscar Zuniga
> ++
>
> Oscar,
>
> What is your reference for the above statement?  We were VFR the entire 
> trip.
> How does one know if they are "VFR on top" or "VFR over the top".  Is that
> just determined by how you got there, the cloud cover below, or what?
>
> Larry Flesner
>
>

KR> VFR on top / over the top

[Kenneth B. Jones]

Larry,

One more time but after this you have to look up the answers yourself.  :-)

Ken Jones, kenbjo...@cinci.rr.com
Sharonville, OH
N5834, aka The Porkopolis Flying Pig, KR-2
EAA Chapter 974 - KHAO

> - Original Message - 
> From: "Larry&Sallie Flesner" 
> I guess that would beg the
> question, what does the cloud conditions have to be before I'm considered
> to be operating "VFR over-the-top"?  Inquiring minds want to know. :-)


>From FAR Part 1, Definitions:-)  Over-the-top means above the layer of 
clouds or other obscuring phenomena forming the ceiling.

Ceiling means the height above the earth's surface of the lowest layer of 
clouds or obscuring phenomena that is reported as "broken", "overcast", or 
"obscuration", and not classified as "thin" or "partial". 

KR> weather site

[Kenneth B. Jones]

Try:  http://www.weathermeister.com/free/
- Original Message - 
From: "Joe H Horton" 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2006 4:20 PM
Subject: KR> weather site


>I just tried to use this site and it says it still has free area
> but every thing that I tried to use comes up as for members only and need
> to pay at least $50
> Joe Horton, Coopersburg, Pa.
> joe.kr2s.buil...@juno.com
>
>> You flyers may want to look at this website, watch out though, it was
>>
>> developed by an RV Guy:-)
>>
>> http://www.weathermeister.com
>>
>
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KR> Flight testing wrap up N1852Z

[Kenneth B. Jones]

- Original Message - 
>
> She's not pretty but she flys. See you all at the gathering.
>
> Rob Schmitt
> N1852Z


Rob,

Park next to me.  She'll look pretty.

Ken Jones, kenbjo...@cinci.rr.com
Sharonville, OH
N5834, aka The Porkopolis Flying Pig, KR-2
KHAO

KR> Transponder Requirements

[Kenneth B. Jones]

The real answer, regarding transponders, is found in FAR part 91.215, 
nowhere else.  Unless you get prior permission from ATC, and if your plane 
is (or ever was) certified with an engine driven electrical system, you are 
not allowed to fly it above 10,000 ft without a transponder. Also, you are 
not allowed to fly in class A, B or C airspace, or above class B or C 
airport lateral bounderies at or below 10,000 ft.  Also, you are not allowed 
to fly from the surface upward to 10,000 ft. within 30 nautical miles of an 
airport designated in Part 91, Appendix D, section 1. (That includes 34 of 
the busiest airports in the U.S.)

The rules are different for planes never having been certified with engine 
driven electrical systems.  The AIM does not accurately reflect the rules 
governing planes which have never been certified with an engine driven 
electrical system.  I think this is a reflection of how complicated 91.215 
is written.

DON'T TRUST WHAT ANYONE HAS POSTED ON THIS SUBJECT, INCLUDING ME.  READ THE 
RULES FOR YOURSELF TO BE SURE!! 
http://www.airweb.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgFAR.nsf/0/5EE8F0240FD4DD3986256A6900532C8A?OpenDocument

Ken Jones, kenbjo...@cinci.rr.com
Sharonville, OH
N5834, aka The Porkopolis Flying Pig, KR-2
KHAO



- Original Message - 
From: "Joe H Horton" 
>While I have your attention I have an FAR question. Is it legal
> to fly over class B ceiling without radio communications or transponder.
> I asked legal not if it is wise.

KR> KR-2 on Display at R/C Air Show at KHAO

[Kenneth B. Jones]

I know this is almost a Friday subject, but it is almost a Friday.  N5834
 will be on display (along with several other experimental aircaft) this
weekend during the R/C Model Air Show at KHAO.

Pancake Breakfast by http://www.eaa974.com/
 Time: 7:30-11:00 AM
 Dates: Saturday and Sunday Aug. 12 & 13
 Place: Butler County Regional/Hogan Field (KHAO) Airport in Hamilton, OH.

 FOLLOWED BY:
 Nations Biggest and Best R/C Air Show at 1-4 PM (field closed from 1-4 PM)
 Performed by The Greater Cincinnati Radio Control Club 
http://www.gcrcc.net/
 Air Show Admission FREE!
 $5 for parking.
 Full size aircraft display!
 Have a Warbird or unusual aircraft? Please participate in our display!


 Ken Jones, kenbjo...@cinci.rr.com
Sharonville, OH
N5834, aka The Porkopolis Flying Pig, KR-2
KHAO

KR> Precision Vertical Card Compass - Northern VS Southern

[Kenneth B. Jones]

"An interesting detail is that there are northern- and southern-hemisphere 
compasses. This has to do with the fact that the magnetic field lines, to 
which a compass needle aligns, point into the earth at the north and south 
magnetic poles. In the northern hemisphere the north end of the needle is 
pulled downwards, and the south end is counterweighted to balance the 
needle."

Now doesn't that make more sense than the the needle spinning around and 
around when you cross the equator?  :-)


Ken Jones 

KR> Belated Fun Friday:-)

[Kenneth B. Jones]

Just for the record, those metal airplanes were parked with my KR.  I guess 
that made them feel "grown-up".  The guy next to me was so embarrassed after 
seeing my beauty that he put his RV-10 up for sale for a mere $235,000. 
:-)

Ken Jones, kenbjo...@cinci.rr.com
Sharonville, OH
N5834, aka The Porkopolis Flying Pig, KR-2
KHAO


- Original Message - 
From: "Dana Overall" 
>  Ran into Ken coming out of
> camping, his KR was parked mighty and proud with the metal gang:). 

KR> Airventure Ground Adventure

[Kenneth B. Jones]

Some of you know that I was unable to make the trip to Oshkosh with the "KR 
Karavan" on Sunday due to work on Monday.  I left home Tuesday morning, 
making a leisurely trip (The Pig doesn't like this hot weather.) from KHAO, 
stopping at KJOT and KHXF for cheap fuel.

While getting into the plane after propping the A-65 at Hartford, my knee 
hit the throttle, revving the engine and causing the canopy to flip over 
center onto the wing.  When I looked over to the right, I saw that the upper 
longeron was split open through the canopy hinge bolt holes.  The first 
thing I thought of was "what to do".  In the first minute or so, a chain saw 
would have provided an easy answer.  A few minutes later, T-88 came to mind.

There's no FBO at Hartford, but there is a P&W turbine repair station.  Some 
guys there on a smoke break introduced me to a couple of homebuilders who 
tried in vain (at first) to help me find some glue and clamps.   But they 
didn't give up.  They eventually contacted Bill Scheunemann, who builds wood 
wings for Pitts Model 12 among others, and is building a Lancair Legacy (I 
think that's a descendant of the KR isn't it.)  Bill went a long way (20-25 
miles each I think) out of his way to bring some West Systems epoxy, flox, 
clamps and everything else needed including paper towels to repair my 
longeron.  I removed the piano hinge before he arrived.  He mixed some fast 
curing epoxy and flox and proceeded to repair my longeron, then gave me 
advice on low long to let it cure.  I was back in the air (probably with a 
stronger longeron than when I started) when the airshow was over and made it 
to Oshkosh Tuesday evening.

Lessons learned:
- Lock your throttle when you prop your engine (every time).
- Take plenty of change when your stopping at an airport with no FBO, no 
matter how short a visit you plan.
- Homebuilders are the most helpful people around.  (Actually this was 
simply verified.  I already knew that.)

Thanks to Bill and all the other helpful people at HXF, including the guys 
that loaned me tools, those that tried to find T-88 for me, those that 
arranged for a hangar for the night if I needed it, etc.  I owe you and I 
won't forget.

Ken Jones, kenbjo...@cinci.rr.com
Sharonville, OH
N5834, aka The Porkopolis Flying Pig, KR-2
KHAO

KR> Oshkosh Reading

[Kenneth B. Jones]

Mark,

I'm not sure what this says about your plane, but they called me a Glassair 
at KOSH last year.  :-)

Ken Jones, kenbjo...@cinci.rr.com
Sharonville, OH
N5834, aka The Porkopolis Flying Pig, KR-2
KHAO


 > I knew my place though, as he kept calling me "yellow
> Glasair"...
>
> Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama

KR> progress

[Kenneth B. Jones]

Now that's the right attitude.

Ken Jones, kenbjo...@cinci.rr.com
Sharonville, OH
N5834, aka The Porkopolis Flying Pig, KR-2
KHAO


>She ain't gonna be pretty but she will fly!
>Colin

KR> 80 DAYS

[Kenneth B. Jones]

Count the Pig in.  Hopefully I'll make your mini-fly-in this year.

Ken Jones, kenbjo...@cinci.rr.com
Sharonville, OH
N5834, aka The Porkopolis Flying Pig, KR-2
KHAO

- Original Message - 
From: "Mark Jones" 
To: "KR Net" 
Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2006 10:39 PM
Subject: KR> 80 DAYS


> OSHKOSH Air Venture is only 80 days away. We need to start planning 
> guys.who is going to fly their KR to Oshkosh?  Am I going to be the 
> only one?
>
> Mark Jones (N886MJ)
> Wales, WI  USA
> E-mail me at flyk...@wi.rr.com
> Visit my NEW
> KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at www.flykr2s.com
>
>
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KR> More flying

[Kenneth B. Jones]

True, this was a good day, a pleasant flight over an back, a nice little 
airport and pleasant company.  Joe has a great plane, and although it 
doesn't have the character of The Pig yet (It takes time.), it is a bit 
faster.  :-) Keep your eyes on 357CJ.  See it at the end of the page at 
http://home.cinci.rr.com/whitelightning/KjonesWebPage.txt

Ken Jones, kenbjo...@cinci.rr.com
Sharonville, OH
N5834, aka The Porkopolis Flying Pig, KR-2
KHAO

- Original Message - 
From: "Joseph H. Horton" 
To: ; 
Sent: Friday, May 05, 2006 3:33 PM
Subject: KR> More flying


> Ok, Guys another pep talk. turn off the computer, forget the cad drawing
> and get out there and make some parts today. This KR with the corvair has
> got to be the most fun you can have with your clothes on. (I'll verify
> that statement by flying naked this evening) Ken Jones and I met at KWAY
> in southwestern PA. this morning for breakfast. The breakfast was nothing
> to write home about but meeting another friend for some flying and
> talking flying was a thrill. I had a little over 3 1/2 hours this
> morning. Few over 500 miles round trip on just under 20 gallons of fuel.
> With the tail wind coming home I saw ground speeds over 215 mph. I
> started my decent from 9500 ft from 50 miles from home. Having some time
> to actually cruise in a straight line gave me time to sharpen my sloppy
> flying skills. I managed to stay within 50ft of my altitude and 5 deg
> either side of course. (That's really good for me) Worked with the radio,
> followed charts and gps. All around practiced cockpit management.
>What a great day!!!
> Joe Horton, Coopersburg, PA.

KR> speed brake / belly board

[Kenneth B. Jones]

I've seen one KR-2 with both flaps and bellyboard.  The bellyboard is spring 
loaded in the up position.  It has "ears" that extend outboard of the 
fuselage just enough for the flaps to push it down when they are deployed. 
This is on N6GM.  It's undergoing a little refurbishment at the moment and 
should be at the Gathering.

BTW, hope no one objects to me changing the subject line.  :-)

Ken Jones, kenbjo...@cinci.rr.com
Sharonville, OH
Flying N5834, aka The Porkopolis Flying Pig, KR-2
Building N45WL, White Lightning
KHAO
See the Pig http://home.cinci.rr.com/whitelightning/KjonesWebPage.txt


- Original Message - 
From: "Dan Heath" 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2006 6:28 PM
Subject: Re: KR> 5th flight of 880AB


> Usually you will have either a belly board OR flaps, not both.  I have 
> never
> seen one with both.
>
> See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics
> See you in Mt. Vernon - 2006 - KR Gathering
> There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for 
> building
> is OVER.
> Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC
> ---Original Message---
> Are they interconnected with the flabs are they set up to work independent
> of the
> flaps?

KR> livin' the KR dream

[Kenneth B. Jones]

Mark,

And just think, you'd probably still be filling and sanding if you hadn't 
seen how beautiful a Pig is when it flies.

Ken Jones, kenbjo...@cinci.rr.com
Sharonville, OH
N5834, aka The Porkopolis Flying Pig, KR-2
KHAO



- Original Message - 
From: "Mark Langford" 
To: "KRnet" 
Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 11:06 PM
Subject: KR> livin' the KR dream


> NetHeads,
>
> It just occured to me that I have flown somewhere substantial for the last
> four weekends:  Illinois to visit Larry Flesner, then to Sun n Fun with a
> stopover at my father's grass strip in southern Alabama, Gatlinburg to 
> join
> in the family vacation, and Columbia, SC to visit Dan Heath.  I'm now
> planning a trip to Indy during race month to take Wyatt Swaim (the TIG guy
> that verified that I can weld) up on an offer to visit him at the welding
> shop he runs at the Brickyard during race month.  I am finally reaping the
> rewards of 12 years and 5400 hours of KR fabrication.
>
> I am so eaten up with flying that I basically don't do anything 
> else...sort
> of like a meth addict.  My basement shop is a mess, I never watch the news
> anymore, I haven't washed my car in months, and I can't even find time to
> buy new underwear or socks.  But I do manage to keep several 5 gallon cans
> of 93 octane fuel in the hangar at all times (I wouldn't want to run out),
> my flight bag in the trunk of the car, and the key to the plane with me at
> all times, just in case.
>
> And it's obvious to those who've seen my plane that actually making it 
> look
> nice (or anything short of embarrasing) is way down on the list.  I'm 
> flying
> the crap out of this thing, and enjoying every nanosecond of it, and I 
> don't
> see any relief in sight.  I wanted to fly late yesterday afternoon (having
> just come back from several hours of flying to SC the day before) but
> thought I'd try to hang around and visit with the family a little, when my
> wife says "why are you not out flyingit's GORGEOUS out there!"   This
> worries me a little, because I don't think life is supposed to be this 
> good.
> Next time you see me, I'll probably be the guy that can't find the time to
> shave...
>
> Mark Langford, Harvest, AL

KR> Sun 'n' Fun

[Kenneth B. Jones]

The Porkopolis Flying Pig made another safe round trip to Sun 'n Fun, 
covering the 710 nm southbound trip in 5.2 hours flying time, using 22.2 
gallons of fuel, with 2 stops, thanks to a nice tail wind.  The return was a 
little slower, about 7 hours (not counting the half hour taxi time), burning 
over 30 gallons, with 3 fuel stops.  Last year (before aero improvements) 
the trip down required 4 stops and the return, 5 stops.

Hope everyone else made a safe trip home.

Ken Jones, kenbjo...@cinci.rr.com
Sharonville, OH
N5834, aka The Porkopolis Flying Pig, KR-2
KHAO
155 Hours

KR> Sun 'n' Fun/Oshkosh

[Kenneth B. Jones]

I plan to be at Oshkosh (in HBC).  Hopefully, we'll get more than 3 KR's 
there this year, and many more next year.

Ken Jones, kenbjo...@cinci.rr.com
Sharonville, OH
N5834, aka The Porkopolis Flying Pig, KR-2
KHAO
173 Hours


- Original Message - 
From: 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 10:41 PM
Subject: Re: KR> Sun 'n' Fun


> Glad you made it home safe - It was nice to see you there.  See you at
> Oshkosh?   Bill Clapp
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KR> cg with Deihl wing skins

[Kenneth B. Jones]

My Kr-2 has Diehl skins.  "Power at idle" stalls at about 900 lbs. occur at 
50 KIAS.  Stalls are proceeded by enough shaking and shuddering for me to 
notice.  The plane is controllable throughout the stall and will recover 
even with the stick held full aft.  The plane has no tendancy to drop a 
wing.  Of course it just stalls again if no action is taken, and each time 
it stalls, the pitch down is greater and so is the pitch up after recovery. 
I have held the stick full aft through about 3 or 4 stall and recovery 
cycles with increasing pitch excursions.  I'm guessing these cycles took 2 
to 3 seconds each, but I really don't have a clue how accurate that is.

Does the fact that the Diehl wings are longer (and tapered over this 
additional length) reduce the MAC a small amount and therefore reduce the 
C.G envelope?  Even if true, perhaps it's a small amount.

Ken Jones, kenbjo...@cinci.rr.com
Sharonville, OH
N5834, aka The Porkopolis Flying Pig, KR-2
KHAO
155 Hours




- Original Message - 
From: "countryhomeprint" 
To: "KRnet" 
Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 9:14 PM
Subject: KR> cg with Deihl wing skins


> Recently the first flight was made in 880AB. As with most any experimental 
> aircraft a few problems occur. Question? Is the cg range for Dan Deihl 
> wing skin wings the same as for the standard KR-2 wings? N880AB's cg falls 
> within the limits for the standard KR-2, however my KR feels tail heavy. I 
> am unable to establish a true stall due to the uncontrolled pitching up of 
> the wings prior to stall. It feels as if the horizontal stab and elevator 
> are stalling prior to the wings. This happened during the first stall 
> approach and a stall approach will not happen again until the problem is 
> solved. Has anyone experienced this? Anyone have a thought as to WHY. This 
> could be a dangerous situation.
>
> Bill Page
> boliverp...@bellsouth.net
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KR> Sun N Fun

[Kenneth B. Jones]

One minor correction:

5. The Porkapolis PigContinental A-65

- Original Message - 
From: 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2006 1:23 PM
Subject: KR> Sun N Fun


> How many Kr guys expect to fly their KRs to Sun N Fun?
>
> 1. Me (Bill Clapp)..corvair
> 2. Steve Makish...corvair
> 3.  Mark Langfordcorvair
> 4.  Joe Hortoncorvair
> 5. Porkapolis PigContinental A-65>
>
> So how many morelet us knowmake a fling of it..
>
>
> Bill and 41768
>
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KR> Fastest/Ugliest KR

[Kenneth B. Jones]

It might be interesting to have a timed run at the Gathering to see who has 
the fastest and/or most efficient KR.

You can't win "ugliest" if it flies.  At least, that's what I was told in 
2004.

Ken Jones, kenbjo...@cinci.rr.com
Sharonville, OH
N5834, aka The Porkopolis Flying Pig, KR-2
KHAO
155 Hours

- Original Message - 
From: 

 Besides the only claim to fame it might have a chance at is the
> ugliest KR.
>
> Or the fastest???
>

KR> Flat Tire

[Kenneth B. Jones]

I've had several flats on the KR (only one in all the years before). 
Usually the tube appears to be pinched near where the tire and rim meet (not 
the two halves of the rim).  I've increased my air pressure up to 35 psi and 
seem to be having better results.  I'm using Lamb tires (11-4.00X5 or 
whatever).

Ken Jones, kenbjo...@cinci.rr.com
Sharonville, OH
N5834, aka The Porkopolis Flying Pig, KR-2
KHAO
155 Hours



> No idea how it got flat.  It was a small hole in the tube, and it looked 
> and
>> rolled fine before takeoff, and takeoff was perfectly normal.

KR> Fastest/Ugliest KR

[Kenneth B. Jones]

You think?  Go to  http://www.krgathering.org/ and check out the competition 
by going to "Check out pictures of the 2004 KR Gathering Here!" and doing a 
"control f" and typing in either "Porkopolis" or "pig".  I'd like to see 
anyone beat that.

Ken Jones, kenbjo...@cinci.rr.com
Sharonville, OH
N5834, aka The Porkopolis Flying Pig, KR-2
KHAO
155 Hours


- Original Message - 
From: 
> Any way back to subject...
>
> This airplane is uglieee

KR> Test to see if gas contains alcohol

[Kenneth B. Jones]

If your fuel contains 8-10% alcohol, you'll see an increase in the "water" 
level almost immediately after you stop shaking the container (graduated 
cylinder).  I suppose you have to wait 10 minutes if you want to know 
exactly what percentage it is.  The test described by Brant is simple.

Ken Jones, kenbjo...@cinci.rr.com
Sharonville, OH
N5834, aka The Porkopolis Flying Pig, KR-2
KHAO



- Original Message - 
From: "Brian Kraut" 
To: "KRnet" 
Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 8:53 PM
Subject: RE: KR> Test to see if gas contains alcohol


>I am still looking for some type of litmus paper type test strips if such a
> thing is made.  Anyone seen anything like this?
>
> When I pull up to a pump I would like to get a few ounces out and test it
> before I fill up the 5 gallon can.  It is a pain to wait around ten 
> minutes
> at the pump and I don't want to fill the can with expensive 93 octane then
> find out later that it has alcohol and I have to dump it in my truck.  I
> know it is really not that much trouble, but I fill a 5 gallon can usually
> three times a week because I run to the airport and fly at lunch time 
> almost
> every day.  If I am testing I want to test every time because you likely
> will not get the same fuel out of the same pump all the time.
>
> Brian Kraut
> Engineering Alternatives, Inc.
> www.engalt.com
>
> -Original Message-
> From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net]On
> Behalf Of Brant Hollensbe
> Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 8:38 PM
> To: KRnet
> Subject: KR> Test to see if gas contains alcohol
>
>
> There is an easy test to see if your gasoline contains alcohol.  Taking a
> calabrated or graduated cylinder like the type you used in High School
> Chemistry class add 9 parts gas to one part water.  Shake the mixture and
> let it stand.  After 10 minutes and examine the amount.  If the level has
> not changed then there in no alcohol in the gas. But if the level has
> increased..then the gas contains alcohol.  This is because the alcohol
> has seperated out of the gas when it attached itself to the water.
>
> The EAA website has 2 excellent articles under the mogas STC:
> http://www.eaa.org/education/fuel/autogas_vs_avgas.pdf
>
>
> Brant Hollensbe
> West Des Moines, Iowa
> Bhollensbe at mchsi.com
>
>
>
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KR> Flutter Speed

[Kenneth B. Jones]

Here's another interesting site (at least to me). 
http://www.vansaircraft.com/pdf/hp_limts.pdf  I don't know about the rest of 
you, but I never realized that flutter is a function of TAS rather than IAS. 
Guess I never thought about it.  Vne is assigned an IAS, as is stall speed 
maneuvering speed, etc.  However, most of these are, in fact, a function of 
indicated air speed, whereas flutter is a function of true air speed.

BTW, I guess I don't have to worry, unless I point the Pig straight down 
from 20,000 ft.

Ken Jones

>
> While you're waiting for some e-mail post check out the
> the following weather site.  I got it from a local EAA chapter member.
>
> http://www.usairnet.com/cgi-bin/launch/code.cgi?state=
> 
> &submit=Get+locations
>
>
> Larry Flesner
>

KR> KR FIX

[Kenneth B. Jones]

I got my fix today.  I replaced my front tire (Yes, I only have one.) a 
couple of days ago because of a vibration on landing which I thought might 
have been caused by a definitely "out of round" tire.  I didn't get a chance 
to try it out until today, just before sundown.  When I got to the airport, 
I was welcomed with 35 degrees and an 80 degree crosswind, 14 gusting to 19. 
That didn't sound too bad, but what a ride!  Once around the pattern, an 
"excellent" (I think I can fly it again.) landing and back to the hangar. 
I've flown my KR in winds that were certainly called worse, but never in any 
that were actually worse (or even close).  I used almost all the control 
stick travel in every direction several times throughout final, all the way 
onto the runway.   I think I fixed the vibration because if there was any 
vibration or shimmy in the nose wheel, I certainly didn't notice it.  Hmmm, 
maybe I should verify that on a calmer day just to be sure.

Lesson:  Concerning wind, numbers don't always tell the whole story.

Ken Jones, kenbjo...@cinci.rr.com
Sharonville, OH
N5834, aka The Porkopolis Flying Pig
KHAO


- Original Message - 
From: "Mark Jones" 
> Actually, I think it is the fact that I need a KR flight fix.

KR> Water strainer funnels

[Kenneth B. Jones]

http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/fwfunnels.php
- Original Message - 
From: "Steve Bray" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 9:35 AM
Subject: KR> Water strainer funnels


> Who makes the water strainer funnels and where can I buy one?
>
> Steve Bray
> Jackson, Tennessee
>
>
>
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KR> water in the fuel?

[Kenneth B. Jones]

First, I normally run Shell regular mogas in my A-65.

Two weeks ago, within 3 days of each other, two pilots who have STC's for 
mogas for their production planes volunteered information to me on their 
recent experience using Shell regular.

The first one, with a Cherokee 140, told me that he had historically checked 
for alcohol each time he bought gas and only used Shell.  He never found any 
so he got lax about checking it.  He had some recent problems with rough his 
engine sometimes running rough. He checked for alcohol and found about 8-10% 
alcohol.  I checked mine and found the same thing.  He also checked a 
Marathon station and found alcohol.  Then a Mobil station and it checked 
clean.  He checked no others.

The second one, with an older Debonair, always only only used mogas in one 
tank.  He took off and was climbing out on the mogas tank when his engine 
started running very rough.  He switched tanks and retruned to the airport. 
He said the engine smoothed out shortly after switching back to the avgas. 
He didn't check his mogas for alcohol but just drained it and refilled with 
avgas.  The three of us only used Shell and normally bout from the same 
station, but not always.

My question: "Is it possible for the alcohol (in gasohol) to absorb enough 
water (or does the water absorb the alcohol?) to cause the engine to run 
rough?"  Perhaps if one had some water trapped in the tank then filled with 
mogas containing alcohol (for the first time ever) the water would be 
absorbed.

Ken Jones, kenbjo...@cinci.rr.com
Sharonville, OH
N5834, aka The Porkopolis Flying Pig
KHAO

- Original Message - 
From: "Mark Langford"
> Here's my question:  Has anybody else had water in their fuel, and if so, 
> is
> the symptom that the engine cuts in and out rapidly and more or less
> sputters and scares the crap out of you?  And it comes and goes with no 
> real
> relation to anything else?  I'm not used to water in the fuel in my cars, 
> so
> this is a new phenomenon to me!   I can't think of anything else that 
> would
> cause this, and the real clue is the fuel mixture meter drops into the 
> super
> lean area while it's misfiring. 

KR> water in the fuel? - Alcohol tester

[Kenneth B. Jones]

Yes, but some people just use a graduated cylinder, ~10 ml.  (Smaller is 
better because you waste less fuel.)  Put 1 ml of water in the cylinder, add 
9 ml of fuel, then shake.  If the "water level" stays the same, there is no 
alcohol.  If there is alcohol, the "water level" will increase.

Ken Jones

- Original Message - 
From: "Brian Kraut" 
To: "KRnet" 
Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2006 1:20 PM
Subject: RE: KR> water in the fuel?


> Is there some kind of test kit you can get?
>
> Brian Kraut
> Engineering Alternatives, Inc.
> www.engalt.com
>
> -Original Message-
> From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net]On
> Behalf Of Kenneth B. Jones
> Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2006 9:13 AM
> To: KRnet
> Subject: Re: KR> water in the fuel?
>
>
> First, I normally run Shell regular mogas in my A-65.
>
> Two weeks ago, within 3 days of each other, two pilots who have STC's for
> mogas for their production planes volunteered information to me on their
> recent experience using Shell regular.
>
> The first one, with a Cherokee 140, told me that he had historically 
> checked
> for alcohol each time he bought gas and only used Shell.  He never found 
> any
> so he got lax about checking it.  He had some recent problems with rough 
> his
> engine sometimes running rough. He checked for alcohol and found about 
> 8-10%
> alcohol.  I checked mine and found the same thing.  He also checked a
> Marathon station and found alcohol.  Then a Mobil station and it checked
> clean.  He checked no others.
>
> The second one, with an older Debonair, always only only used mogas in one
> tank.  He took off and was climbing out on the mogas tank when his engine
> started running very rough.  He switched tanks and retruned to the 
> airport.
> He said the engine smoothed out shortly after switching back to the avgas.
> He didn't check his mogas for alcohol but just drained it and refilled 
> with
> avgas.  The three of us only used Shell and normally bout from the same
> station, but not always.
>
> My question: "Is it possible for the alcohol (in gasohol) to absorb enough
> water (or does the water absorb the alcohol?) to cause the engine to run
> rough?"  Perhaps if one had some water trapped in the tank then filled 
> with
> mogas containing alcohol (for the first time ever) the water would be
> absorbed.
>
> Ken Jones, kenbjo...@cinci.rr.com
> Sharonville, OH
> N5834, aka The Porkopolis Flying Pig
> KHAO
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Mark Langford"
>> Here's my question:  Has anybody else had water in their fuel, and if so,
>> is
>> the symptom that the engine cuts in and out rapidly and more or less
>> sputters and scares the crap out of you?  And it comes and goes with no
>> real
>> relation to anything else?  I'm not used to water in the fuel in my cars,
>> so
>> this is a new phenomenon to me!   I can't think of anything else that
>> would
>> cause this, and the real clue is the fuel mixture meter drops into the
>> super
>> lean area while it's misfiring.
>
>
>
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KR> KRs and slipping etc...

[Kenneth B. Jones]

Colin,

FAR part 61 was revised a couple of years ago to require the additional
training for experimental aircraft with tail wheel, high performance,
complex, etc. in order to carry passengers.  Of course, the only one of
these that applies to KR's is tailwheel training unless someone puts an
awful big motor on one or adds a consant speed prop along with flaps and
retracts.  See below:

PERTINENT PORTIONS OF CURRENT FAR 61.31 (REVISED JULY 27, 2004)

  paragraph (k) Exceptions.
  (2) The rating limitations of this section do not apply to-
  (iii) The holder of a pilot certificate when operating an aircraft under
the authority of-

  (B) An experimental certificate, unless the operation involves carrying a
passenger;

The standard "Operating Limitations" letter defined in paragraph 153 of
Order 8130.2 has also changed to reflect this.   See Order 8130.2F,
paragraph 153, letter paragraph (18).

This requirement was added to my limitations by the local FSDO prior to the 
rule change.  However, it had no effect as my KR is a tricycle gear.

Also, take care not to violate FAR 91.13.  It could be careless to operate a
tailwheel airplane without any training.  :-)

Regarding slipping, I slip my KR-2 routinely as I don't have any flaps or 
other drag producers.  I think, in my case, it's better to err on the high 
side and then slip than to err on the low side and have to add power.  Even 
though I don't set up my approach perfectly very often, sometimes on the 
rare occasion when I do, sometimes things go badly when the wind changes. 
It does that here occasionly.

Ken Jones, kenbjo...@cinci.rr.com
Sharonville, OH
N5834, aka The Porkopolis Flying Pig  -   152 hours
KHAO





- Original Message - 
From: "Colin Rainey" 

> Bill Zink and netters
> FAR 61.31 paragraph k (2) (iii) states:
> The ratings limitations of this section do not apply to-
> (iii) The holder of a pilot certificate when operating an aircraft under
> authority of an experimental or provisional aircraft type certificate.
>
> Sorry Bill but the FARs clearly make exception for pilots operating
> aircraft
> with an experimental certificate. Kinda falls into the part about being a
> test pilot.
> The part of the operating limitations that you read apply to having an
> appropriate rating in category and class, and if the aircraft has a type
> rating, then the PIC must have one also.  Tailwheel aircraft although
> recognized for their unique training by the FAA, do not require a type
> rating so by the definition that you posted only require a PIC to have the
> matching category and class rating, which for the KR1 or KR2/KR2S is a
> airplane single engine land rating.
>
> Having said that I personally feel that it is absolutely essential for at
> least the equivalent of the training required to get the endorsement
> should
> be acquired by any pilot wanting to be as safe as possible in either a
> tailwheel or complex aircraft.  Habits that are formed either in proper
> training, or improper learning by mistakes are the first action reaction
> during an emergency.
>
> Bill don't know who you talked to about slipping, but as published in The
> Airplane Flying Handbook, slipping to a landing to make normal landings as
> a
> rule, is a bad habit to cover up bad planning.  A proper approach should
> be
> plannned where the need to slip is eliminated.  Exception: any aircraft
> like
> the Citabria, some Pitts, and some KR's are not equipped with flaps or
> speed
> brakes, and therefore it is very prudent to make a closer pattern and
> approach at normal speeds and then slip to get rid of the excess altitude
> in
> order to protect the pilot against an engine out approach that could make
> it
> difficult if not impossible to reach the runway.  So be careful to include
> ALL tailwheel aircraft, and ALL KR's.  I for one WILL NOT slip on final
> unless there is a cross wind (which results in a SIDESLIP) or I want to
> make
> an approach over an obstacle, by remaining high on purpose until I clear
> the
> obstacle, then slip to lose the extra altitude.  Both procedures are in
> The
> Airplane Flying Handbook and are taught by all good CFI's in Private Pilot
> training.  Yes all pilots should be competent in slips but they are NOT
> appropriate for ALL landings.

KR> inch

[Kenneth B. Jones]

1 KG X specific gravity (of gas or oil)

- Original Message - 
From: 
To: "KRnet" 
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2006 4:56 PM
Subject: Re: KR> inch


> What does it weigh if you fill the cube with gas or oil?Bobby
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Joachim Saupe wrote:
>>> Unfortunately, that attitude prevails here in the USA since most
>>> people don't understand the simplicity of the metric system, where
>>> the meter is the "yardstick", where a cube of 10cm x 10cm x 10cm has
>>> a volume of 1 liter and when you fill this cube with water, it weighs
>>> 1 kilogramm.
>>
>> I understand it, and actually like using it when I have to, like when
>> making
>> parts for metric machinery. The problem is that I know about what a foot
>> is,
>> about what a mile is, about what 1000 feet is, etc. Recalibrating my
>> eyeballs to a new standard would be extremely tough. I have no clue what 
>> a
>> kilometer looks like or what a 1/4 mile worth of meters is.
>> --
>> Steve
>> 33...@swbell.net
>> N3343V- '75 C150M
>> N205FT- KR1 #6170
>> He who seeks will find, and he who knocks will be let in.
>>
>>
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KR> Cessna fuel valve

[Kenneth B. Jones]

I got mine at The Tractor Store (used to be Farm and Fleet).  I think it was 
$4.95.

Ken Jones, kenbjo...@cinci.rr.com
Sharonville, OH
N5834, aka The Porkopolis Flying Pig
KHAO
- Original Message - 
From: "Mark Langford" 
To: "KRnet" 
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 9:24 PM
Subject: Re: KR> Cessna fuel valve


> OZ wrote:
>
> Oh, and you might be interested to know that this valve, new, lists for
> $1,660.  I was astounded to learn that bit of info when I tried a Google
> search for info on it.
>
> That's just the "aviator's" price.  I think they sell them at WalMart for
> $8.88.
>
> Mark Langford, Harvest, AL
> see homebuilt airplane at http://www.N56ML.com
> email to N56ML "at" hiwaay.net
>
>
>
>
> - 
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KR> "The Pig"

[Kenneth B. Jones]

Frank,

You guys robbed me at MVN 2004 with the "If it flys, it's not ugly" rule. 
I knew if I couldn't win that year, that I might as well give up.

BTW, you have no idea how much sanding I did.  (You might when you get a 
closer look, though.)

Ken Jones, kenbjo...@cinci.rr.com
Sharonville, OH
N5834, aka The Porkopolis Flying Pig
KHAO

- Original Message - 
From: "Frank Ross" 


> Ken (pigs not only fly they can be beautiful as well) Jones,
>  I see from the photos on Langford's Gathering site that you have given up 
> on ever getting the "Ugliest KR" award.
>  That plane is looking really nice. Congratulations.
>  Must have taken a LOT of sanding...
>  Frank Ross
>
>
> "Kenneth B. Jones"  wrote:
>  Larry,
>
> As long as I live near Porkopolis, she'll be the Porkopolis Flying Pig.
> Appropriately named for the Cincinnati Marathon, she looks tired but keeps
> running.
>

KR> KR-2 For Sale on Barnstormers

[Kenneth B. Jones]

Jeff Duvall's KR-2 is listed on Barnstormers.com 

KR> continental a-65 electrical

[Kenneth B. Jones]

How about a wind generator?  http://www.pipercubforum.com/windgen.htm  or 
http://www.basicaircraft.com/product_bpe14.htm

Ken Jones

- Original Message - 
From: 
To: "KRnet" 
Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 3:36 PM
Subject: KR> continental a-65 electrical


> Does anyone know if there is any way to equip an A-65 with an alternator. 
> I
> know that there are small alternators that mount on the vacuum pump drive
> pad but I don't think the a-65 accessory case has a vacuum pump provision.
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Bill Zink
> Columbus, OH
>
>
>
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KR> OT: Choosing a plane?

[Kenneth B. Jones]

Try this.  http://www.kitplanes.com/aircraftdirectory/

Ken Jones, kenbjo...@cinci.rr.com
Sharonville, OH
N5834, aka The Porkopolis Flying Pig
KHAO

- Original Message - 
From: "David Lininger" 
To: "KRnet" 
Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 10:51 PM
Subject: KR> OT: Choosing a plane?


>A question came up at school today, and I thought someone from this
> group may know the answer. Is there a web site where you can select
> various parameters (single seat, 2 seats, 4 seats, fixed or retract,
> conventional or trigear, etc) and at the end there is a list of aircraft
> that meet your specs? If not, there ought to be. I had heard that EAA
> was working on such a deal, but never heard any more about it. Maybe it
> is harder than it seems?
>
> -- 
>
>
> 73,
> David, kb0zke
> Rev. 2:10c
>
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KR> Flight to Clemson

[Kenneth B. Jones]

Some of you know that I am building a White Lightning as well as flying a 
KR-2.  Yesterday the weather looked favorable so I flew down to see my White 
Lightning mentor, Bill Fields, a youngster in his mid 80's.  Had lunch with 
Bill and his son Joe after they showed me their latest project, a radial 
powered CH701.  Winds were favorable with cruise ground speeds ranging from 
170 to 185 kts at 11500 ft, and up to 195 kts on my decent after clearing 
the mountains.  (This is with about 130kts TAS cruise.)  My planned route 
from KHAO to KCEU was 294 nm. Elapsed time from take off roll to engine 
shutdown was 1 hr 58 minutes. (It's amazing how much time those one or two 
degree course errors can eat up.)  Fuel used was 9.8 gal.  I'm pretty 
conservative about fuel reserves, knowing (and unfortunately having known) 
pilots who weren't conservative enough, so I try to plan on using only 10 of 
my 14 gallons.  On the return, ground speeds were only about 85 kts at 8500 
ft but picked up to about 105 at 6500 ft and a little better as I got lower 
and closer home.  Made one stop about mid-way taking on 8.1 gallons of fuel 
and probably used another 7 on the last leg.  Flying time about 3 hrs 15 
minutes.  All in all another successful day in the Porkopolis Flying Pig.

BTW, on Tuesday I saw as low as 39 kt ground speed in a Cherokee 140 at 
about 105 kts TAS.  The big rigs on the interstate were passing us.  We took 
about 5 hrs to fly 250 nm, but made the return in less than half the time.

Many of you have seen the Pig, so you know that looks aren't everything. 
So get those KR's finished enough to fly and get them in the air.  Sun 'n 
Fun will be here before you know it.

Ken Jones, kenbjo...@cinci.rr.com
Sharonville, OH
N5834, aka The Porkopolis Flying Pig

KR> "The Pig"

[Kenneth B. Jones]

Larry,

As long as I live near Porkopolis, she'll be the Porkopolis Flying Pig. 
Appropriately named for the Cincinnati Marathon, she looks tired but keeps 
running.

Ken Jones, kenbjo...@cinci.rr.com
Sharonville, OH
N5834, aka The Porkopolis Flying Pig
KHAO


- Original Message - 
From: "Larry&Sallie Flesner" 
To: "KRnet" 
Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2006 8:48 AM
Subject: KR> "The Pig"


>
>>
>>Many of you have seen the Pig, so you know that looks aren't everything.
>>So get those KR's finished enough to fly and get them in the air.
>>
>>Ken Jones
>
> 
>
> Ken,
>
> With all the "improvements" you've made to the flying pig I think
> you need to consider re-naming her "MISS PIGGY".
>
> Larry Flesner
>
>
>
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KR> Flying a KR2

[Kenneth B. Jones]

My first flight in N5834 was my first flight in any KR-2 and in fact the 
first time I had seen a KR-2 fly.  It was another 3 months before I saw a KR 
in flight from the ground (at MVN 2004).  I studied Jim Faughn's "The 
Perfect Landing" at 
http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/faq/chapter11/faughn/perfect_landing.html 
and Adrian Carter's "First Flight" 
http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/faq/chapter11/carter/first_flight.html as 
well as anything else I could find prior to flying.  I largely credit these 
two articles (along with some pretty hairy high speed taxi's and crow hops) 
with making my first flight successful.  My thanks to Jim and Adrian and 
many others for the information provided here.

Ken Jones, kenbjo...@cinci.rr.com
Sharonville, OH
N5834, aka The Porkopolis Flying Pig
KHAO

P.S. If someone on KRnet sent me an email direct, please send it again with 
KR in the subject line so I know where it's coming from.


- Original Message - 
From: "Colin Rainey"
> On the same lines of archives, many KR builders have asked about how a KR 
> flies.  The archives have several posts about methods of flying; I have 
> posted from my KR2, Larry Flesner has on his, Orma Robbins, Mark Jones, 
> Mark Langford, Joe Horton, Ken Jones, and many others.  Also, Jim Faughn 
> has a great explaination of flying characteristics on his site, as well as 
> some others have added them.
>
> I would be willing to bet that my first flight was literally a no brainer 
> due to these pilots taking the time to post their experience. Yours can be 
> too...
>

KR> "The Pig"

[Kenneth B. Jones]

Ron,

In Porkopolis, some pigs are ugly, some are pretty and some are like the 
ugly duckling.  Let me send you an email.  I tried, but it was blocked.

Ken Jones, kenbjo...@cinci.rr.com
Sharonville, OH
N5834, aka The Porkopolis Flying Pig
KHAO


- Original Message - 
From: "Ron Freiberger" 
To: "'KRnet'" 
Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2006 2:06 PM
Subject: RE: KR> "The Pig"


> Frank Ross sent pictures of the PIG, and I was very disappointed.  I
> expected to see a work of "Ugly Art", after all this publicity.
>
> Disappointed to see a good looking KR.
>
> Thanks, Frank.
>
> Ron Freiberger
> mail to ronandmar...@earthlink.net
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> Hey! Is there a picture of Porkopolis posted anywhere??
>
> Ron Freiberger
> mail to ronandmar...@earthlink.net
>
>
>
>
>
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KR> KR insurance

[Kenneth B. Jones]

The first year, I had hull as well as liability (playing the odds, but 
fortunately I lost), second year, liability only.   There was no reduction 
in the liability the second year with Falcon although I had over 100 hours 
in the KR-2.   I switched to Sky Smith and saved a few bucks.  About $500 
for $1million liability.

Ken Jones, kenbjo...@cinci.rr.com
Sharonville, OH
N5834, aka The Porkopolis Flying Pig
147 hours




> Brian Douglas wrote:
>> The way that I
>> look at it, if I crash then that is the cost of doing business.  So hull
>> insurance is not the way to go.

> Mark langford wrote:
> If you'd seen me fly my plane the first few times, you'd have bet real 
> money
> that hull insurance would pay off!  I'll probably drop it the next time
> around...
> 

KR> Newbie (not really!)

[Kenneth B. Jones]

Try http://home.tiscali.nl/~driessen2/

- Original Message - 
From: "Phil Matheson" 
To: ; "KRnet" 
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 4:06 PM
Subject: Re: KR> Newbie (not really!)


> Marcel
>
> Welcome to the net.
> Sorry but I could not get you home page to work.
> May be mistake in the link??
>
> Phil Matheson
> mathes...@dodo.com.au
> VH-PKR  ( Phil's KR)
> 61 3 58833588
> Australia.( Down Under)
> See My KR2 Building Web Page at:
> http://mywebpage.netscape.com/flyingkrphil/VHPKR.html
> See our VW Engines and Home built web page at
> http://www.vw-engines.com/
> www.homebuilt-aviation.com/
>
>
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KR> wheel pants

[Kenneth B. Jones]

Bill told me he got his from John Backer,  from the archives:



List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: Jan 8, 2005 5:58 AM

From: john backer 

Subject: KR> Wheel Pants


I check my KRnet messages nearly everyday. I can be contacted at 
jsbac...@yahoo.com or 641-816-5575.
My mailing address is PO Box 575 Greene IA 50636-0575.
John Backer- Original Message - 
From: "Colin Rainey" 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2005 11:00 PM
Subject: KR> wheel pants


> Steve
> You will need to contact Bill directly as the wheel pants are a modified 
> set Bill did himself. He has pretty much totally re-worked his set. email 
> him at :
> ifly...@aol.com
>
> He explained this to me at Corvair College and at some point plans on 
> offering sets from molds he will pull from his finished set.
>
>
> Colin Rainey
> brokerpilot9...@earthlink.net
> EarthLink Revolves Around You.
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KR> Max. HP

[Kenneth B. Jones]

Bob,

I have a 3 blade Warp drive.  It has tapered blades.  Diameter is 58".  I 
have it set at 20 degrees.  (This provides maximum airspeed at WOT.)  My 
engine is a Continental A-65.  Max static RPM is 2220.  Max RPM in straight 
and level flight is 2540 RPM.  I set my pitch many times before finalizing 
it here.

Do you have full chord blades or tapered blades?  What is your prop 
diameter?  As others have mentioned, have you checked your tach?

Ken Jones, kenbjo...@cinci.rr.com
Sharonville, OH
N5834, aka The Porkopolis Flying Pig

- Original Message - 
From: "Bob Sauer" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, December 09, 2005 7:56 PM
Subject: KR> Max. HP


>I have a three blade Warp Drive prop on my Corvair engine.  How do you set 
>the throttle to achieve max hp and also achieve 2900 rpm static for the 
>prop? On the Warp Drive blade setting device, I now have the prop set at 25 
>degrees, which appears to be quite a twist. The engine will still run up to 
>3700 rpm.  Seems like I am chasing two unknowns at the same time. Help 
>please?
>
> Bob Sauer
> Sun City West, AZ

KR> diehl wing skins

[Kenneth B. Jones]

See http://diehlaero.com/
- Original Message - 
From: "Chad Stenson" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 11:18 AM
Subject: KR> diehl wing skins


> Everyone,
>
> What are anyone's thoughts on the Diehl wing skins on a KR2S?  I would 
> assume they use the original RAF48 airfoil rather than the new one 
> correct?  Pros or cons?  $1800 doesn't seem too bad to me.  Does the 
> additional wingspan take away any on the cruise speeds?
>
> Thanks
> chad
>
>
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KR> N886MJ in November Sport Aviation

[Kenneth B. Jones]

Congratulations Mark! 

KR> MVN

[Kenneth B. Jones]

Hey, I'll fly anywhere that they have free food and free baseball caps for 
the pilots.

Ken Jones, kenbjo...@cinci.rr.com
Sharonville, OH
N5834, aka The Porkopolis Flying Pig


- Original Message - 
From: "Bob Glidden" 

> Went to the Little Egypt fly-in yesterday at Mt Vernon,was a nice 252 km 
> round trip.They seem to have a pretty good turn out.Got to talk to Chris 
> the airport manager a little bit and he said soon as this weekend was over 
> he was going to get on the KR gathering for next year.Ken Jones made it in 
> with the "Porkopolis Pig" 

KR> Steve Jones - Obituary

[Kenneth B. Jones]

http://www.newscoast.com/apps/pbcs.dll/dclassifieds?Dato=20051018&Kategori=OBITS&Class=30&Type=CAT0103&Lopenr=510180443&Selected=7

- Original Message - 
From: "Mark Jones" 
To: "KR Net (E-mail)" 
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2005 2:55 PM
Subject: KR> Steve Jones


> It is with great regret that this e-mail is being sent to the KR family. I 
> have not seen this announced public ally here so I thought it would be 
> appropriate to link you to the actual news report. Here is the link:
> http://www.newscoast.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051016/NEWS/510160311/1001/NEWS0105

KR> horizontal stabilizer dimensions

[Kenneth B. Jones]

Aren't they all?


>., I'd still shoot for -.75 degrees on 
>the
> horizontal stab incidence. My plane is still a work in progress...
>
> Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama

KR> Live your dream

[Kenneth B. Jones]

Friday, I went for a $100 dollar hamburger (actually $120 a barbeque).   It 
was only $120 because my brothers paid for  the barbeque and I only paid for 
the gas.  KHAO/KEKY/KHAO is 774 nautical miles, avoiding Cincinnati & 
Birmingham airspace (no transponder).  Flying time was 6.4 hours in the 
Porkopolis  Pig.  If you ask me why I would fly from Ohio to Alabama and 
back for a sandwich, for once I have to quote Bill Clinton, "Because I 
could" (and I hadn't seen my brothers for a while).

Before I got out of the KR at KHAO, a friend asked me to co-pilot his 
Bonanza on a mercy mission taking 2 "soon to be doctors" from KHEF to KBTR 
to help in the relief effort there.  We did that Saturday from KHAO and 
returned the same day.   The trip took about twice as long.  Different 
planes have different missions.  We couldn't have done this in the KR, but 
if we could have, it would have been more exciting and more fun, even if not 
as comfortable.  :-)

Ken Jones, kenbjo...@cinci.rr.com
Sharonville, OH
N5834, aka The Porkopolis Flying Pig 

KR> Gyro instruments

[Kenneth B. Jones]

Steve,

What do you have that's 24 vdc?  I'm building another plane (White 
Lightning) that uses 24 vdc.  If it's something I need and you want to sell 
and by a 12 vdc, perhaps ...

Now I see your second message.  I have a T & B 12 vdc that I could trade you 
if you're interested.

Ken Jones

- Original Message - 
From: "Steven Phillabaum" 
To: "KRnet" 
Sent: Monday, October 03, 2005 10:14 PM
Subject: Re: KR> Gyro instruments


>
>>
>> From: "wilder_jeff Wilder" 
>> UHHGGG!!!
>> I bought an R.C. Allan Gyro off of ebay last week... I received the 
>> product,
>> it was as described.. but when I was bidding on it, I did not realize 
>> that
>> it was 115v AC 400mzh.
> Anyone know if I can convert this to 12v dc?
>>
>> -jeff
>>
> +
>
> More even,  Does anyone have any info on changing 24
>
> Steven Phillabaum
> KR2S; 5048; corvair;
> Auburn, Alabama
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KR> Experimental Amateur Built Certification/Repairman

[Kenneth B. Jones]

>In the end, it doesn't take a smart person to find a way around the
> rule. It takes a smart person to know his limitations, to protect his 
> butt,
> and not become another statistic.

Rich,

I agree with your statements above and I apologize for not expressing my 
thoughts more clearly.  For the record, I in no way intended to encourage 
anyone to "find a way around the rule".  To the contrary, I encourage 
reading and studying the rules and other regulatory guidance, such as 
Advisory Circulars, so you know what you're allowed to do as well as what 
you're required to do.  After that, you can make your decisions based on the 
requirements and allowances, tempered by your own personal limitations.

You included part of my original message.  The next few lines of my message 
included:

"Read AC 65-23A & AC 20-27F (You should read these documents if you are
contemplating building and becoming the repairman for an experimental
amateur built airplane.)"

Regards,

Ken Jones, kenbjo...@cinci.rr.com
Sharonville, OH
N5834, aka The Porkopolis Flying Pig


- Original Message - 
From: "Rich Seifert" 
To: "KRnet" 
Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2005 1:17 AM
Subject: Re: KR> Experimental Amateur Built Certification/Repairman


>I am not a big fan of the FAA but a good many of their rules were made to
> protect the aviation industry in general from people doing things that
> reflect negatively upon the industry.  When unqualified people are 
> permitted
> to endanger themselves and the general public; That is pretty negative. 
> The
> repairmans certificate is one of the rare gifts of the FAA.  It helps the
> lisenced mechanic, the aircraft builder, and the industury.  It relieves 
> the
> mechanic of the liability of working on an aircraft he is unfamilure with
> and upon which there is little documentation on.  Home built aircraft are
> not built on an assembly line, there are no two exactly alike, and they
> don't come with service manuals.  Heck parts are not even interchangable.
> The repairmans certificate was ment to put the person who is intemently
> familure with the aircraft, and has the most to loose, responsible for its
> safe operation.
>In the end, it doesn't take a smart person to find a way around the
> rule. It takes a smart person to know his limitations, to protect his 
> butt,
> and not become another statistic.
> Just my opinion
> - Original Message -
>
> Subject: Re: KR> Experimental Amateur Built Certification/Repairman
>
>
>> My thoughts are that taking a KR-2 (or other) that is 99.99% complete and
>> then completing it does not preclude certificating the aircraft as
>> experimental amateur built.  AC20-27F Appendix 1, definition of Major
>> Portion, makes it crystal clear that you can count the construction
> efforts
>> of previous builders.  This definition, although it does not specifically
>> apply in AC65-23A, might be used as part of an arguement that you are the
>> primary builder in your pursuit of the repairman certificate for this
>> aircraft.  If you won this arguement, you would still have to 
>> "demonstrate
>> to the certificating FAA inspector (your) ability to perform
>> condition inspections and to determine whether the subject aircraft is in
> a
>> condition for safe operation."   I think this is normally "demonstrated"
> by
>> showing your builder's log, but it seems this could be demonstrated some
>> other way, for example, you built most of another KR and then sold it 
>> (and
>> have evidence supporting that fact).   I don't know if there is anything
>> that requires that you have built 51% to get the repairman certificate
>> (Apparently not, because, if a group of people build a plane, one may be
>> considered to become the repairman for that plane.)  It is clear, 
>> however,
>> that you can get the airworthiness certificate without having built 51%
>> yourself.  Much depends on your FAA office as well as the individuals
>> supporting that office, especially if you are not armed with a knowledge
> of
>> the regulations and other guidance material.

KR> 22 oz tri-ply cloth. Can't find

[Kenneth B. Jones]

Wicks has it.  P/N TRI-X22, $15.31/yard

Ken Jones

- Original Message - 
From: "Steven Phillabaum" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2005 8:33 AM
Subject: KR> 22 oz tri-ply cloth. Can't find


> Mike Mims Built his gear legs using as one of the plys the 22 oz tri-ply 
> cloth.  This item is no longer available and I only seem to be able to 
> find a cloth up to 9.85 oz. Tooling cloth. I can still get the 22 oz 
> uni-tape and need a replacement for the tri-ply.
> Mike if your out there please email me. To others that have built gear 
> legs or have engineering data that might lead me in the correct direction 
> please chime in.
>
>
> Steven Phillabaum
> KR2S; 5048; corvair;
> Auburn, Alabama
>
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KR> Experimental Amateur Built Certification/Repairman

[Kenneth B. Jones]

My thoughts are that taking a KR-2 (or other) that is 99.99% complete and 
then completing it does not preclude certificating the aircraft as 
experimental amateur built.  AC20-27F Appendix 1, definition of Major 
Portion, makes it crystal clear that you can count the construction efforts 
of previous builders.  This definition, although it does not specifically 
apply in AC65-23A, might be used as part of an arguement that you are the 
primary builder in your pursuit of the repairman certificate for this 
aircraft.  If you won this arguement, you would still have to "demonstrate 
to the certificating FAA inspector (your) ability to perform 
condition inspections and to determine whether the subject aircraft is in a 
condition for safe operation."   I think this is normally "demonstrated" by 
showing your builder's log, but it seems this could be demonstrated some 
other way, for example, you built most of another KR and then sold it (and 
have evidence supporting that fact).   I don't know if there is anything 
that requires that you have built 51% to get the repairman certificate 
(Apparently not, because, if a group of people build a plane, one may be 
considered to become the repairman for that plane.)  It is clear, however, 
that you can get the airworthiness certificate without having built 51% 
yourself.  Much depends on your FAA office as well as the individuals 
supporting that office, especially if you are not armed with a knowledge of 
the regulations and other guidance material.

FURTHER READING-(For more than you wanted to know.)

Read AC 65-23A & AC 20-27F (You should read these documents if you are 
contemplating building and becoming the repairman for an experimental 
amateur built airplane.)

References in the regs (65.104) and the AC (65.23A, paragraph 6.c) both use 
the words "primary builder".  To me, primary could mean first, one who did 
the most, or the one who's taking responsibility for the whole thing.  In 
this case I tend toward the last one as he is the person taking all the 
responsibility and getting the airworthiness certificate and the excerpt 
below from AC 65-23A requires that application for repairman be made at the 
time of original certification of the aircraft.  AC 65-23A, 6.c., gives some 
examples of primary builder.  Also see the definition for "Major Portion" AC 
20-27F, Appendix 1.

>From AC 65-23A
6 ELIGIBILITY.
An individual desiring to be certificated as a repairman is required to:

a. Make application for a repairman certificate (experimental aircraft
builder) at the time of original certification of the aircraft. Builders who
have had their aircraft certificated prior to the effective date (September 
10,
1979) of revised FAR Section 21.181(a)(3) and new FAR Section 65.104 may 
make
application for repairman certification prior to the next condition 
inspection
due date.

b. Be a U.S. citizen or an individual of a foreign country who has been
for permanent residence in the United States.

c. Be 18 years of age or older, and the primary builder of the aircraft.
For example, when a school, club, or partnership builds an aircraft, only 
one
individual will be considered for a repairman certificate for each aircraft
built, such as the class instructor or designated project leader.

d. demonstrate to the certificating FAA inspector his or her ability to
perform condition inspections and to determine whether the subject aircraft 
is in a concition for safe operation.

>From AC 20-27F Appendix 1
Major Portion. When the aircraft is completed, the majority of the 
fabrication and assembly tasks have
been performed by the amateur builder. >> When you purchase a partially 
completed kit or aircraft, the
major portion includes the construction efforts of the previous amateur 
builders.<<<

 Ken Jones, kenbjo...@cinci.rr.com
Sharonville, OH
N5834, aka The Porkopolis Flying Pig


> - Original Message -
> From: "Deb Unternaehrer" 
> To: "KRnet" 
> Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 7:26 PM
> Subject: Re: KR> KR2 on eBay
>
>
>> I think this is one of those "problem childs" according to the FAA.  You
>> can't register it Exp, amateur built, because you can't prove you built 
>> it
>> (51% rule) and it stalls to fast to meet Sport Pilot rules.  Bob U.
>>

KR> Oshkosh 2007

[Kenneth B. Jones]

Jim,

I just want to go on record supporting your goal.  If possible, I will fly 
my KR-2 to Oshkosh 2007.   Last year I completed my 40 hour flight test just 
in time to make The Gathering.  This year I made Sun 'n Fun, Oshkosh, MERFI, 
and The Gathering.

The best way to assure you will fly your KR to Oshkosh in 2007 is to make a 
commitment now.  I'm aware of at least 4 KR's that were flown to The 
Gathering this year after having last minute problems.  They did this 
through extra effort because they had commited to be there.  I know that 
sometimes you have problems that you can't overcome, but if you have made a 
commitment, at least you will try.

BTW, last year I had to stop for fuel going to and coming from The 
Gathering.  This year neither direction.  This is due airframe drag 
reduction.  So far, about 14% improvement, but not enough to offset fuel 
cost increases. :-)

Ken Jones, kenbjo...@cinci.rr.com
Sharonville, OH
N5834, aka The Porkopolis Flying Pig


- Original Message - 
From: "Jim Faughn" 

The one thing that I am personally promoting,
beyond continuing to attend KR Gatherings, is the 35th Anniversary of
the KR. This will be an Oshkosh EVENT and I will be flying there in
2007. I believe we should be able to get at least 35 KR's at the 35th
Anniversary of the KR. This has to be a passion and commitment of
everyone and it has now become my slogan.

Plan on attending the KR Gathering next year and then Oshkosh in 2007.

FINISH YOUR AIRPLANES AND BE AT OSHKOSH 2007

Jim Faughn
35 KR's for the 35th Anniversary at Oshkosh 2007

KR> Hello...anybody there???

[Kenneth B. Jones]

Mark,

Last year, everyone told me "If it flies, it can't be ugly".  (Of course, 
anyone can look back at the photos of the Porkopolis Pig and see that that's 
not true.)

Ken Jones, kenbjo...@cinci.rr.com
Sharonville, OH
N5834, aka The Porkopolis Flying Pig



>- Original Message - 
>From: "Mark Jones" 

> You better not laugh at my plane when you see it. I am in
> contention for the ugliest KR award this year.
>

KR> KR Info

[Kenneth B. Jones]

My max speed is TAS confirmed within 1 knot (assuming I can read my ASI that 
close) by a four direction average GPS ground speed.  Measurements were 
taken after a few minutes stabilization at a density altitude of about 4000 
+/-1000 ft, on several different days.

Vs is IAS.




- Original Message - 
From: "Phil Matheson" 
To: "KRnet" 
Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 8:28 AM
Subject: Re: KR> KR Info


> The fastest KR is 170
>>Orma
> ---
> Are we talking
> Ground speed
> IAS
> TAS.
>
>
> Phil Matheson
> mathes...@dodo.com.au
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KR> KMNN Today - KMVN Next

[Kenneth B. Jones]

I flew to KMNN (Marion, OH) today to attend the MERFI (Mid-Eastern Regional 
Fly-In.)  It was beautiful weather and a pleasent flight both directions, 
only 100 nautical miles from KHAO.  I didn't see any other KR's there today, 
but there were several owners and builders.  I got lots of positive comments 
about the Porkopolis Flying Pig.  I think they were all because she', 
"Flying", not because she's a "Pig".  I flew up with an RV-9 so I had to fly 
at reduced power. (Oops, I think I got that backwards.)  This was the first 
time I have been there, but it's a great fly-in.  Probably less than 10% of 
the planes there were RV's.  It's held each year.  I'd recommend it to 
anyone close enough to attend.

Ken Jones, kenbjo...@cinci.rr.com
Sharonville, OH
N5834, aka The Porkopolis Flying Pig 

KR> KR info

[Kenneth B. Jones]

This spreadsheet could be very useful.  The more data people submit, the 
more useful it will be.  Please check it out and, if you have a flying KR, 
send your data to Orma at o...@aviation-mechanics.com

Ken Jones


- Original Message - 
From: "Orma" 
To: "KRnet" 
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 12:08 AM
Subject: KR> KR info


> Hello Net
> In the past I have talked about developing a database for KR information. 
> An actual database was too much for my skill level and I gave up on it. 
> Over the past week or so I have been playing with a simple spreadsheet 
> that contains KR data and web links.  I have entered a few examples into 
> the sheet as an aid in developing a finished product.  The sheet is 
> finished and is hosted at
> http://www.kr-2.aviation-mechanics.com/krinfo.htm
> In earlier discussions I was asked if the data sheet that I developed 
> would contain aircraft under construction.  I have elected to not include 
> them here.  The KR net has listings of builders and their web pages.  I 
> want this data sheet to include information about aircraft that completed 
> and flying.  My hope is that visitors to the site will be able glean from 
> the info answers to some common questions such as how fast, what type prop 
> or gear, and others.  You might be able to estimate what engine size and 
> prop combination will yield what static and cruise RPM and much more.  My 
> plan is to cut and past information that is sent to me.   If you wish to 
> have your plane listed, send me an off net post.   With over 1000 flying 
> KR, this info could prove to be of great value to both owners and builders 
> alike.
>
> Orma

KR> Flying to OSH weather

[Kenneth B. Jones]

I was delayed due to business, but I plan to fly up Thursday, camping in 
HBC.

Ken Jones, kenbjo...@cinci.rr.com
Sharonville, OH
N5834, aka The Porkopolis Flying Pig


- Original Message - 
From: "Steven Phillabaum" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 6:55 PM
Subject: KR> Flying to OSH weather


> Since there is not much traffic on the net I will say this. I am flying 
> out Friday morn to OSH.  If you live in the southeast (USA) MAN IS IT 
> HAZY!! METARS say visibility 6 plus but you lose your VFR check points at 
> 2000' agl. You only have maximum visibility when looking straight down. If 
> anyone will be at OSH Friday through Sunday. Let me know by Thursday 
> night.
>
> Steven Phillabaum
> KR2S; 5048; corvair;
> Auburn, Alabama
>
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KR> wheel pants and trim

[Kenneth B. Jones]

Recently added pants to my tri-gear.  No noticeable trim effect.  I always 
have to use nose up trim.  Quite a bit when flying at 80 kts. or less.

Simultaneously adding the pants and wing gap covers (vertical blinds) added 
about 12 knots (10%) to top speed.

Ken Jones, kenbjo...@cinci.rr.com
Sharonville, OH
N5834, aka The Porkopolis Flying Pig
KHAO

- Original Message - 
From: "Mark Langford" 

> You guys that have flown without and with wheel pants...was there any
> noticeable difference in the trim required when wheel pants were 
> installed?
> The reason I ask is I've never been able to fly with trim in the neutral
> position...it's always nose up, and with flaps I still don't have enough 
> to
> relieve the workload.  I'm thinking about adjusting my horizontal stab 
> down
> a little to try to get a little closer to centered.  I can see how adding
> wheel pants would streamline the wheels, causing less drag about the 
> wheels,
> decreasing the tendency to fly nose down, but I guess I'm trying to get a
> feel for how pronounced the difference is.

KR> KR speed

[Kenneth B. Jones]

For comparison, my KR-2 weighs 620 lbs empty, has tricycle gear with home 
made wheel pants (but no fairings), wasn't built super clean (or straight) 
in general, has a very blunt cowl (with bumps for spark plugs and engine 
mount), has Diehl wings and is powered by an A65 with a 3 blade prop.   All 
this and it still goes twice the speed of a Cub with the same engine and it 
only weighs a little less.  This is due to less drag, and mine certainly 
isn't the cleanest KR around.



Ken Jones, kenbjo...@cinci.rr.com
Sharonville, OH
N5834, aka The Porkopolis Flying Pig


- Original Message - 
From: "wilder_jeff Wilder" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, July 18, 2005 12:42 AM
Subject: KR> KR speed


>
> Can someone explain to me why it is that there is such a gap in the top 
> end
> speed of KR's... ( HP aside )

KR> Oshkosh Head Count

[Kenneth B. Jones]

I plan to fly in on Sunday (weather permitting) and stay about 2 or 3 days. 
I plan to camp.  I should arrive at KHFX about noon.

Ken Jones, kenbjo...@cinci.rr.com
Sharonville, OH
Cell 513/604-3273
N5834, aka The Porkopolis Flying Pig
See the Pig leaving Sun 'n Fun 2005 
http://bobby.hargrave.home.att.net/photos/SnF05/SnF05031.jpg

- Original Message - 
From: "Mark Jones" 
To: "KR Net (E-mail)" 
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2005 8:19 AM
Subject: KR> Oshkosh Head Count


> PLEASE RESPOND
>
> Who will be at Oshkosh and what days?
>
> Who is flying their KR to Oshkosh?
>
> Mark Jones (N886MJ)
> Wales, WI
> Visit my web site: http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj
> Email: flyk...@wi.rr.com
>
>
>
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KR> glide rato..

[Kenneth B. Jones]

Perhaps the stopped prop is less drag because it's stalled.

Below is data taken from my flight test.  My idle setting was about 800 to 
900 rpm, a little high, at the time.  Speeds are indicated knots.  My plane 
stalls at about 50 knots indicated so I didn't check the glide below 60 kts. 
Surely the ratio will start back the other way before it stalls.  I have a 
KR-2 with Diehl wings, 3 blade Warp drive taper blade 58" prop set at 19.5 
degrees at the tip, A65, empty weight is 623 lbs., full fuel is 14 gal and I 
weigh about 180.

  Glide
  Speed Descent Distance Glide
  kts ft/min NM/1000 ft. Ratio
  60 400 2.50 15.18
  65 442.5 2.45 12.93
  70 525 2.22 11.73
  75 625 2.00 10.56
  80 750 1.78 9.39
  85 800 1.77 9.35
  90 900 1.67 8.80
  95 1100 1.44 7.60
  100 1500 1.11 5.87


BTW, Bill's 2.5 miles per 1000 ft altitude is a glide ratio of 13.2 : 1 (if 
I calculated correctly).

Ken Jones, kenbjo...@cinci.rr.com
Sharonville, OH
N5834, aka The Porkopolis Flying Pig

- Original Message - 
From: "Barry Kruyssen" 
To: "KRnet" 
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2005 6:31 PM
Subject: Re: KR> what a day./ glide rato..


>
> - Original Message - From: larry flesner   I doubt if a stopped 
> propeller is going to triple that number
>
> A stopped prop actually produces less drag, don't know the reason but have 
> tried it in self launch gliders (without feathering the prop) both idling 
> engine and stoped, there is noticeably less drag when the prop was 
> stopped.  Also it is better for the prop to stop vertically so any 
> vortices from the prop don't upset the air flow over the wing, so I'm told 
> but I couldn't tell the difference :-)
>
> regards
> Barry Kruyssen

KR> glide rato..

[Kenneth B. Jones]

Maybe this table will be easier to read.

- Original Message - 
From: "Kenneth B. Jones" 
To: "KRnet" 
Sent: Friday, June 17, 2005 7:32 AM
Subject: Re: KR> glide rato..


> Perhaps the stopped prop is less drag because it's stalled.
>
> Below is data taken from my flight test.  My idle setting was about 800 to 
> 900 rpm, a little high, at the time.  Speeds are indicated knots.  My 
> plane stalls at about 50 knots indicated so I didn't check the glide below 
> 60 kts. Surely the ratio will start back the other way before it stalls. 
> I have a KR-2 with Diehl wings, 3 blade Warp drive taper blade 58" prop 
> set at 19.5 degrees at the tip, A65, empty weight is 623 lbs., full fuel 
> is 14 gal and I weigh about 180.
>
>  Glide
>  SpeedDescentDistance   Glide
>  kts   ft/min   NM/1000 ft. Ratio
>

60   400  2.50 15.18
>  65   442.5   2.4512.93
>  70   525  2.2211.73
>  75   625  2.00 10.56
>  80   750  1.78   9.39
>  85   800  1.77   9.35
>  90   900  1.67   8.80
>  95 1100  1.44   7.60
>  100   1500  1.11   5.87
>
>
> BTW, Bill's 2.5 miles per 1000 ft altitude is a glide ratio of 13.2 : 1 
> (if I calculated correctly).
>
> Ken Jones, kenbjo...@cinci.rr.com
> Sharonville, OH
> N5834, aka The Porkopolis Flying Pig
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Barry Kruyssen" 
> To: "KRnet" 
> Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2005 6:31 PM
> Subject: Re: KR> what a day./ glide rato..
>
>
>>
>> - Original Message - From: larry flesner   I doubt if a stopped 
>> propeller is going to triple that number
>>
>> A stopped prop actually produces less drag, don't know the reason but 
>> have tried it in self launch gliders (without feathering the prop) both 
>> idling engine and stoped, there is noticeably less drag when the prop was 
>> stopped.  Also it is better for the prop to stop vertically so any 
>> vortices from the prop don't upset the air flow over the wing, so I'm 
>> told but I couldn't tell the difference :-)
>>
>> regards
>> Barry Kruyssen
> 

KR> Flying and soon to be flying KR pilots

[Kenneth B. Jones]

Lots of good info in AC 89-90A and AC 20-27F. 
http://av-info.faa.gov/data/advisorycircular/ac90-89a.pdf
AC 89-90 says the flight test plan should be completed before the "first 
flight".  It also includes a sample "checklist for condition inspection", 
appendix 1.

AC20-27 says you are to submit a program letter, then provides an example 
which has a statement saying : A flight test plan has been developed using 
the guidance in AC 90-89 and is available for review."

Ken Jones, kenbjo...@cinci.rr.com
Sharonville, OH
N5834, aka The Porkopolis Flying Pig

- Original Message - 
From: "Dan Heath" 
To: 



> My inspector says that I have to turn in a test plan at the time of
> inspection.  Do any of you have one that you can share with me?

KR> OSHKOSH 05

[Kenneth B. Jones]

I'll try to get the Porkopolis Pig there, depending on the weather, etc. 
It's only half as far as Lakeland for me.  If I make it, I'll be in HBC.

Ken Jones, kenbjo...@cinci.rr.com
Sharonville, OH
N5834, aka The Porkopolis Flying Pig

- Original Message - 
From: 



> ALRIGHTY THEN... who is planning to fly their KR to Oshkosh this year? and
> who is planning to just show up? 

KR> fuel injection

[Kenneth B. Jones]

Jim,

I am building another plane (other than KR-2) which uses a fuel injected 
aircraft engine.  The plane has two tanks.  The returned fuel is switched by 
the fuel valve (separate circuit from supply) so as to return to the fuel 
tank that is currently supplying fuel.  The fuel that is returned is 
introduced into the tank adjacent to the fuel vent, that is to say at the 
highest point in the tank.  This is per the aircraft design.

Ken Jones, kenbjo...@cinci.rr.com
Sharonville, OH
85 hours and a fresh condition inspection on
N5834, aka The Porkopolis Flying Pig


- Original Message - 
From: "Jim Sellars" 
To: "KRnet" 
Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 12:47 PM
Subject: Re: KR> fuel injection


> Fellows:
>Need some advice about routing fuel lines.  I have a fuel injection
> system and have run the pressure relief side of the system back into the 
> top
> of my gasalator.  This is normally where the priming system comes from I
> believe.
>Does this have a potential of forcing fuel back to my gas tank and
> therefore giving intermittent fuel flow to the pump and fuel rail?  I 
> would
> run a line from the relief back to the header tank if necessary but it 
> will
> run quite well on the ground as is.  But it sure could be making bubbles I
> suppose!!
>Any thoughts appreciated.
> Best regards
> Jim
>
>
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