Re: KR> In-flight Fire

2017-01-29 Thread Larry Flesner via KRnet
tense fire to injure the pilot as it did. I hope they can figure out what happened and if they do, Sid, keep us posted. In flight fires may be seldom survived but I hope to have improved my chances in a crash. We each have our own comfort level. Lar

Re: KR> AIRCRAFT INSPECTIONS

2017-01-29 Thread Larry Flesner via KRnet
external canopy latch and the like. He made a note in my log, as I recall, had me correct them, make a log entry of such, and send him a copy of the log page. In was noted on the inspection that I was good to go after correction and log entry. Your results may vary...... Lar

KR> engine progress

2017-01-29 Thread Larry Flesner via KRnet
I've spent the last several days cleaning and painting engine parts. Progress, one piece at a time. I hope to be flying by March 1 or I'll be out of money. :-( https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/32133949/20170129_110232.jpg Larry Flesner

Re: KR> Melting lead

2017-01-28 Thread Larry Flesner via KRnet
larger shot is best for a smaller over all weight of the same size. My guess is smaller shot. Larry Flesner ___ Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. Please see LIST RULES and KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org

Re: KR> wheel alignment

2017-01-26 Thread Larry Flesner via KRnet
alignment at the greatest ground speed. My KR is 24 inches longer than standard and 8 foot wide mains. That's my setup and I literally forget that I'm flying a tail dragger. Larry Flesner ___ Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/arc

Re: KR> stall speed

2017-01-26 Thread Larry Flesner via KRnet
simply mosey on in ignorance. :-( As you've noticed, you had to catch your own error. Larry Flesner ___ Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. Please see LIST RULES and KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html

Re: KR> stall speed

2017-01-25 Thread Larry Flesner via KRnet
on 4000 or so on the first flight on a no wind day. You will quickly progress to the grass after a few landings. Larry Flesner ___ Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. Please see LIST RULES and KRnet info at http

Re: KR> stall speed

2017-01-25 Thread Larry Flesner via KRnet
quickly from flare to touchdown. I like to settle on like a feather, not like a belly flop at the swimming pool. :-) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgdgxVgPNAk and go to the 2:40 mark of the video. You'll get to know the comfortable speed after a couple of landings. Larry Flesner

Re: KR> Archives

2017-01-25 Thread Larry Flesner via KRnet
e FSDO DAR for free if you can but good luck. Some regional FSDO's are happy to do it and some almost refuse (claim too busy, yea,right. It's their job). Larry Flesner ___ Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. Pleas

Re: KR> Attachment hinge to firewall

2017-01-25 Thread Larry Flesner via KRnet
have found a number of the screws to loosen over the years. If you use screws instead of bolts, check them for security from time to time. Larry Flesner ___ Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. Please see LIST

Re: KR> Attachment hinge to firewall

2017-01-25 Thread Larry Flesner via KRnet
... Larry Flesner ___ Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. Please see LIST RULES and KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html. see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to change options

Re: KR> Flight Training

2017-01-24 Thread Larry Flesner via KRnet
you got the idea already Larry Flesner ___ Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. Please see LIST RULES and KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html. see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo

Re: KR> Progress !

2017-01-24 Thread Larry Flesner via KRnet
style rebuilt cylinders with balanced pistons, rods, and rings and re-bushed rocker arms, all ready to bolt to the case ($800). Right now we are negotiating on the credit amount they will give me for all my extra engine parts. Maybe President Trump can get me a deal. :-)

Re: KR> Aileron hinge bolts

2017-01-20 Thread Larry Flesner via KRnet
of the spars so I can remove the hinge if necessary. Larry Flesner ___ Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. Please see LIST RULES and KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html. see http://list.krnet.org/mailman

KR> engine update

2017-01-17 Thread Larry Flesner via KRnet
hours without a problem, with proper maintenance and care of course. Anyway, now I know. I'll have it checked for "out of round", flange runout, and dye tested for cracks and if it passes I can start the assembly process. Film at 11:00.......

Re: KR> engine update

2017-01-17 Thread Larry Flesner via KRnet
a matter of picking up after myself. After 49 years of marriage some training is hard to ignore. :-) Larry Flesner ___ Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. Please see LIST RULES and KRnet info at http://www.krne

KR> split case

2017-01-16 Thread Larry Flesner via KRnet
updates to follow... Larry Flesner ___ Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. Please see LIST RULES and KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html. see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo

KR> engine update

2017-01-15 Thread Larry Flesner via KRnet
I can't believe the progress I made this weekend in about 8 hours of time. The only help I had was to drive out the piston pins and lift the case off the mount. I hope to split the case in the next few days. https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/32133949/IMG_8995.JPG Larry Flesner

KR> I'm committed

2017-01-14 Thread Larry Flesner via KRnet
to follow. Larry Flesner ___ Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. Please see LIST RULES and KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html. see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to change options

KR> Pitch sensitivity

2017-01-12 Thread Larry Flesner via KRnet
the tail surfaces in his KR and I'm guessing Mike Sylvester can enlighten us on switching from a Cessna 150 to the KR2s on his recent first flight. Keep the C.G. in the correct location, anticipate the sensitivity, and enjoy flying your KR... Larry Flesner

Re: KR> Stub wing leading edge stall strip

2017-01-07 Thread Larry Flesner via KRnet
w stuff up off the seat. Be gentle, you're flying a sports car, not a dump truck. :-) Larry Flesner ___ Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. Please see LIST RULES and KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html

Re: KR> KR 1 project

2017-01-03 Thread Larry Flesner via KRnet
At 10:47 PM 1/2/2017, you wrote: what is the estimated empty weight, did he mention a number? ++ No, but I'm guessing it will be a bit on the heavy side for a KR1, even with a light engine. Larry Flesner

Re: KR> KR 1 project

2017-01-02 Thread Larry Flesner via KRnet
of glass on the inside. Dennis asked for feedback and one of my several observations and suggestions was to remove the brackets and cut lightening holes in the ribs. Several other areas of minor overbuild but overall I can't fault his workmanship. Larry Flesner

Re: KR> KR 1 project

2017-01-02 Thread Larry Flesner via KRnet
At 09:23 PM 1/2/2017, you wrote: very cool! question, I think you said it had retracts, if so where does the nosegear retract to? + No retracts. It does have a steerable nose wheel. Larry Flesner

KR> collectors item?

2017-01-02 Thread Larry Flesner via KRnet
d. Socket info is normally stamped on the drive end, not the socket end. I wonder if I've got a collectors item here. After all, people pay money for potato chips that look like Christ, seems they might like a miss stamped socket, ya recon? Bids anyone?? Lar

KR> new KR1 project

2016-12-31 Thread Larry Flesner via KRnet
at the next KR Gathering he'll have to ship the awards home as the baggage area won't hold them all. I'll get some photos on my next visit. Larry Flesner ___ Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. Please see LIST RULES

Re: KR> Insta-Crank

2016-12-31 Thread Larry Flesner via KRnet
it in the crankcase. :-) Larry Flesner ___ Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. Please see LIST RULES and KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html. see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to change

KR> Flipping your plane over

2016-12-17 Thread Larry Flesner
d them from the fuselage to rotate and glass the bottom. I never had to flip the boat. Larry Flesner

KR> Flipping your plane over

2016-12-17 Thread Larry Flesner
-406-4705 Paul, I can tell you never flipped "out houses" at Halloween in your youth or you could have done that in 15 seconds flat. :-) Larry Flesner

KR> Deihl landing gear question...

2016-12-15 Thread Larry Flesner
a rather tight cable for tailwheel steering. My ground handling in three point attitude is as comfortable and responsive as any tri-gear I've flown. https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/32133949/IMG_8714.JPG Larry Flesner

KR> Stick Interference

2016-12-11 Thread Larry Flesner
I'd have someone measure the aileron travel to see how close to full travel you have before your leg stops the stick. Unless you do an aileron roll you'll seldom ever use full left or right stick while in flight. Even an aggressive turn will require maybe have stick throw. Larry Flesner

KR> GoPro camera

2016-12-10 Thread Larry Flesner
> >It's Friday and I have a GoPro Hero 3 camera with accessories that >I'm not using and I'm putting it up for sale. >Larry Flesner +++ I got a phone call this morning and the camera is sold. Larry Flesner

KR> GoPro camera

2016-12-09 Thread Larry Flesner
with this camera (don't recall what resolution the camera was set to). Offering to KR netters for $350 before posting to e-bay for $400. Flesner at frontier.com cell phone 618 201 5958 Larry Flesner

KR> Diehl landing gear...

2016-12-09 Thread Larry Flesner
> If your casting aren't reversible, don't worry about it , go to > plan B. Do the best you can and move on... >Larry Flesner + After considering the problem in greater detail and ma

KR> Diehl landing gear...

2016-12-09 Thread Larry Flesner
thers being built and flying, I'm guessing that kind of accuracy is beyond the capabilities of many KR builders anyway and thus is not a show stopper. If your casting aren't reversible, don't worry about it , go to plan B. Do the best you can and move on... Larry Flesner

KR> Diehl landing gear...

2016-12-09 Thread Larry Flesner
n inch or so. Try not to over complicate the building process or it will never fly. :-) Larry Flesner

KR> Diehl landing gear...

2016-12-08 Thread Larry Flesner
the wood on the spar under the bracket with either epoxy or varnish before mounting the bracket. The bolts alone hold the bracket. If the six bolts alone don't hold the bracket you need to make softer landings. Larry Flesner

KR> Fwd: Carb shaft

2016-12-08 Thread Larry Flesner
istmas list as they are not cheap. AA, the benefits of owning an experimental. I just rebuild my carb this year for the price of the kit $450+, a few borrowed special tools, and my X in the log book. Larry Flesner

KR> RPM Guage Selection

2016-12-05 Thread Larry Flesner
949/IMG_8717.JPG I don't remember the brand. I'd have to do some research. It has worked for 600 hours now. Larry Flesner

KR> Foam

2016-11-26 Thread Larry Flesner
twashers.php?clickkey=3011869 and replace the foam, sand to shape, and glass. Do about a 2 inch overlap on the glass patch. It's just as easy to do it correctly as to do it poorly. Larry Flesner

KR> Heat Muff

2016-11-25 Thread Larry Flesner
xhaust leak. https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/32133949/IMG_8090.JPG Having said that I don't have ram air either but use a small 12 volt fan from a battery charger on the inside of the firewall to pull air to the cockpit. A carbon monoxide detector patch on the panel would be advisable. Larry Flesner

KR> Mgl, dynon,Garmin

2016-11-22 Thread Larry Flesner
requiring it and look out the window for other aircraft. Don't let the market place kill your dream of building / flying your own airplane. It's too easy to get caught up in "I'd love to have it" rather than "I really need it". Larry Flesner

KR> Useful Load

2016-11-20 Thread Larry Flesner
more horsepower which comes with more weight which necessitates more horsepower which comes with more weight, and on and on and on. Larry Flesner

KR> Hand propping VW

2016-11-19 Thread Larry Flesner
egular canopy and raise the fuselage sides with foam and glass and just mount the canopy higher above the longerons. http://myplace.frontier.com/~flesner/15.jpg Larry Flesner

KR> tire pressure?

2016-11-15 Thread Larry Flesner
I run only Desser retreads, a nice heavy tire, 25 psi range, and have 1100 "lucky" flat free hours of flying. Maybe it's my soft, feather like landings. :-) As always..... Larry Flesner

KR> Tire Pressures

2016-11-15 Thread Larry Flesner
, and have 1100 "lucky" flat free hours of flying. Maybe it's my soft, feather like landings. :-) As always. Larry Flesner

KR> wing tank building material

2016-11-13 Thread Larry Flesner
uto fuel > when I could still find it without alcohol. >Larry Flesner I forgot to mention that my tanks are not coated with any compound, just straight epoxy. Don't skimp on the epoxy with the last layer of glass to prevent pinholes.

KR> wing tank building material

2016-11-13 Thread Larry Flesner
still find it without alcohol. The concern with auto fuel is if it sets in the system for long periods it can gum up the carburetor. 12+ years with epoxy tanks and still going strong. Larry Flesner

KR> radio?

2016-11-11 Thread Larry Flesner
plugged to a two place intercom but can be used with a headset directly using an adaptor. Larry Flesner

KR> trip

2016-11-11 Thread Larry Flesner
. Why spend more Larry Flesner

KR> Tire Pressures

2016-11-11 Thread Larry Flesner
at annual time. I've not had a single flat in 600+ hours except on my new tail wheel (which I love :-) ). The tires hold shape and do not show any uneven wear. I only run 32 psi in my multi-thousand pound Buick. As always, your results may vary.... Larry Flesner

KR> KR-2's inside fuselage width?

2016-11-06 Thread Larry Flesner
buckle opening opposite each other. Larry Flesner

KR> Speed Brake

2016-11-04 Thread Larry Flesner
slick they are and the challenge that represents in the landing mode. Add some drag and they land like any other Cessna , Piper, etc. Larry Flesner

KR> Speed Brake

2016-11-04 Thread Larry Flesner
d my second approach was much more "traditional". I never land without it now except occasionally for fun on our 8000 foot runway. Ask those who have flown without one and then added one for their opinion. Larry Flesner

KR> Speed Brake split flap design

2016-11-04 Thread Larry Flesner
ple speed brake will suffice for drag. There really is no need to try to combine the two unless you are looking for an aeronautical / mechanical challenge. 600 hour with speed brake only. Larry Flesner

KR> sport aviation mag

2016-11-01 Thread Larry Flesner
> >Check out page 13 of this months Sport Aviation . >https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/32133949/001%20%283%29.jpg >Larry Flesner +++ I got distracted and forgot to mention in my first post that not mentioned in the article

KR> sport aviation mag

2016-11-01 Thread Larry Flesner
Check out page 13 of this months Sport Aviation . https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/32133949/001%20%283%29.jpg Larry Flesner

KR> First flight, Finally

2016-11-01 Thread Larry Flesner
prings on an old junk golf cart. Larry Flesner

KR> financial report

2016-10-30 Thread Larry Flesner
. See you all at Lee's Summit !!!! Larry Flesner

KR> Identify?

2016-10-30 Thread Larry Flesner
across the photo while going through boxes in my garage. Amazing what you'll find in boxes that you've not opened in many years. I'll have to go through the rest of the photos to see what other gems are hidden there. Larry Flesner

KR> No pictures

2016-10-19 Thread Larry Flesner
you. Larry Flesner

KR> Insurance...

2016-10-07 Thread Larry Flesner
rs, if they will even insure you. You may have to go "naked" if you're comfortable with that. Just don't taxi into any Lear jets on the ramp or land on anyones house. :-( Larry Flesner 518 SW 3rd St, Suite B Ankeny, Iowa 50023-3048 Phone: (515) 289-1439 or (800) 743-1439

KR> Hm, canopy again...

2016-10-06 Thread Larry Flesner
idened and reshaped, then added to at the forward end to attach to the turtle deck bow. Larry Flesner

KR> aileron bell crank

2016-10-06 Thread Larry Flesner
://myplace.frontier.com/~flesner/02092587.jpg I have the RAF48 airfoil. The couple of extra bolts you see was to add another piece of aluminum to place the cable attach in double shear. Larry Flesner

KR> Hm, canopy again...

2016-10-06 Thread Larry Flesner
h foam I used to raise the canopy. Larry Flesner

KR> New airfoil / bell crank

2016-10-03 Thread Larry Flesner
> >I'd have to do some research (measuring) but it seems to me the >aileron bellcrank assembly could be compressed >a bit without causing cable interference and be made to fit inside >the new wing assembly.

KR> New airfoil on old style spars question

2016-10-03 Thread Larry Flesner
ve to do some research (measuring) but it seems to me the aileron bellcrank assembly could be compressed a bit without causing cable interference and be made to fit inside the new wing assembly. Has anyone tried that with no success? Larry Flesner

KR> new airfoil / bellcrank

2016-10-03 Thread Larry Flesner
cable could be attached to the top side of one arm with a small spacer and the other to the bottom side of the other arm with a small spacer, thus separating the cables at crossover. Another option would be to connect the cables to the bellcrank beyond the crossover point with thin lengths of metal. Larry Flesner

KR> new airfoil modifications

2016-10-03 Thread Larry Flesner
48 but after a 13 year build I'm not about to build new wings. My 48's have given me 600 hours of fun flying. Larry Flesner

KR> IFLY 720 for sale

2016-09-29 Thread Larry Flesner
It also has a remote control unit. Larry Flesner

KR> IFLY 720 for sale

2016-09-29 Thread Larry Flesner
or not but I'll honor first offers if it goes on sale. Price $450 I have a current subscription and could send it with a complete current update. The 720 has WIFI capabilities and with the right equipment can show traffic and weather. Larry Flesner

KR> KR flight

2016-09-24 Thread Larry Flesner
in there awesome looking RV. Steve still keeps track of he KR crowd even though he went over to the dark side years ago. Good to see Steve again. Coming home I went up a nice cool 9500 and danced among the scattered puffys that topped at 10,500. Keep building. Life is good... Larry

KR> Jack Cooper

2016-09-23 Thread Larry Flesner
Netters, Someone asked me about Jack Cooper at the Gathering and I didn't have an answer for them. Does anyone know how Jack Cooper is doing? Larry Flesner

KR> Gathering finances

2016-09-20 Thread Larry Flesner
a financial success. Larry Flesner

KR> gathering

2016-09-19 Thread Larry Flesner
At 06:53 PM 9/19/2016, you wrote: > And, let's not forget John Bouyea. +++ My apologies to John. He did more work behind the scenes than appeared on the net. I'm sorry he couldn't make the Gathering. THANKS JOHN. Larry Flesner

KR> Thanks to sponsors

2016-09-19 Thread Larry Flesner
At 12:43 PM 9/19/2016, you wrote: > Are these the Tapes I donated a couple of years ago ? Virg + No, these are some vhs tapes that Tommy had and brought to the Gathering. Larry Flesner

KR> gathering

2016-09-19 Thread Larry Flesner
Thanks to all that helped to make the Gathering a success, especially Paul Visk in all the pre-planning leading up to the event. See you all at Lee's Summit. Larry Flesner

KR> Gathering update

2016-09-13 Thread Larry Flesner
I plan to make my first trip (truck load of Gathering stuff) to Mt.Vernon tomorrow (Wednesday) mid to late morning. I may stay in Mt.Vernon or make the 50 mile trip home for the night and return Thursday for the duration. If anyone needs to reach me call my cell 618 201 5958 Larry

KR> Arriving Gathering

2016-09-13 Thread Larry Flesner
At 05:18 PM 9/13/2016, you wrote: >I will be arriving KMVN tomorrow (Wednesday) late afternoon. Will >anyone else be there Wednesday? >Mark Jones + I will be there to greet you. Larry Flesner

KR> Nitrogen

2016-09-13 Thread Larry Flesner
en in tires". There is more information available today at the touch of a button than can be digested in a lifetime. Larry Flesner

KR> Gathering update

2016-09-12 Thread Larry Flesner
k or just the buffet to give Donny a count to toss on the grill. See you soon........ Larry Flesner

KR> Gathering shirts / hats

2016-09-11 Thread Larry Flesner
effort involved. It was more of a favor than a money maker and after nine years of "doing favors" I've decided not to go that route this year. SORRY...... Larry Flesner co-host

KR> Credit cards at the Gathering

2016-09-11 Thread Larry Flesner
ickets and I'm not inclined to increase the price with this short notice. I'm pretty sure I have a donation waiting for the asking that will cover the cost. Not to worry, I'll work it out. Just a few more sleeps and the fun begins. Larry Flesner

KR> Gathering update

2016-09-10 Thread Larry Flesner
is guitar. + Some may prefer to pay for their drinks. For the sake of my ego I'll not ask for a vote. :-) We'll see what happens... Larry Flesner

KR> Attach Wood firewall to frame

2016-09-09 Thread Larry Flesner
At 06:49 PM 9/9/2016, you wrote: >Jeanette Rand once stated that an engineer once analyzed the >firewall and it is good for 22G's. I'm sure that was using a VW and not and not the heavier 0-200 or Corvair. Larry Flesner

KR> Attach Wood firewall to frame

2016-09-09 Thread Larry Flesner
2.5 or 3 G's ever but my engine is still hanging out there. Larry Flesner

KR> Attach Wood firewall to frame

2016-09-08 Thread Larry Flesner
the wood to get good glue penetration and don't squeeze it all out before it can penetrate. Larry Flesner

KR> Fuel gauges- senders

2016-09-08 Thread Larry Flesner
hat number came up empty. Larry Flesner

KR> today's sunrise

2016-09-04 Thread Larry Flesner
yed in solitude. My wish, to capture this moment and share it with the world, denied. I can only later speak, as a prophet with a vision, telling others of the beauty that I saw." Fortunately Mark had a camera and is able to share that moment with all of us. Keep them coming Mark... Larry Flesner

KR> Fuel gauges- senders

2016-09-04 Thread Larry Flesner
d work if it is more convenient and before any pumps, shutoff valves, etc., if it's calibrated to that pressure. Larry Flesner

KR> Fuel gauges- senders

2016-09-04 Thread Larry Flesner
more than 50 years and I'll admit, I wasn't an A student. :-) Larry Flesner

KR> Fuel gauges- senders

2016-09-04 Thread Larry Flesner
t and it averages out the reads. I wouldn't want gust loads and G loads in turns, etc., to cause the gauge to bounce all over the place. Hu..... Larry Flesner

KR> Fuel gauges- senders

2016-09-04 Thread Larry Flesner
der is just indicating what length of the sender that is covered with fuel. The thicker tank at the root holds more fuel per foot of sender than the narrow tank at the tip. You calibrate the full and empty but in between it is, well, somewhere in between. Larry Flesner

KR> Fuel gauges- senders

2016-09-04 Thread Larry Flesner
ibrate for full and empty, will not be linear. Larry Flesner

KR> KR Poll

2016-08-31 Thread Larry Flesner
62.JPG https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/32133949/013_13.JPG If anyone is going to roll it over it would be these two, now 10 years old. Larry Flesner

KR> Gathering reminder

2016-08-24 Thread Larry Flesner
o purchase an extra at the Gathering if available. I'll try to treat everyone fairly. Thanks...... Larry Flesner flesner at frontier.com

KR> KR Gathering 2017

2016-08-22 Thread Larry Flesner
At 12:24 PM 8/22/2016, you wrote: >KR Enthusiasts; > >I am planning to make a pitch at the 2016 KR Gathering to host the 2017 >event at Lee's Summit Airport in Missouri. +++ Thanks , Rob. Any competition has a tough act to fo

KR> hats / shirts Gathering

2016-08-22 Thread Larry Flesner
see if any are available. See you at the Gathering....... Larry Flesner flesner at frontier.com

KR> switch labeling

2016-08-20 Thread Larry Flesner
that the switch that failed on Mark (on the ground, thankfully) that kept him from making the California trip? Larry Flesner flesner at frontier.com

KR> switch labeling

2016-08-20 Thread Larry Flesner
items. In my case the "master" is the last thing to switch off as it kills everything including radio, GPS, etc.. Larry Flesner flesner at frontier.com

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