KR> Vinyl ester for fuel tanks

2013-11-16 Thread Jeff Scott
No matter what you use for your fuel tanks, Ethanol is bad news for your fuel 
system. ?If your tanks are glass, no matter what kind of resin you use, Ethanol 
will disolve it in fairly short order. ?If you're not using ethanol, almost any 
resin will work well. ?The tanks in my KR were built using Safe-T-Poxy 18 years 
ago, then sloshed with an alcohol resistant sloshing compound. ?The tanks in my 
KR have been in continual service for 16 1/2 years now and 1000 hours of flying 
time with no issues.

I have always used alcohol free Mogas when it was available, and for the last 
year, I have been running a mixture of 80% Mogas and 20% 100LL. ?My KR is old 
enough that I even ran a tank or two of 80 Octane red Avgas through it before 
it bacame unavailable.

-Jeff Scott
Los Alamos, NM


> - Original Message -
> From: Timothy Witmer
> Sent: 11/16/13 07:01 PM
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> Subject: Re: KR> Vinyl ester for fuel tanks
> 
> Pure-gas.org/ has hundreds of gas stations by states with pure gas
>  




KR> Vinyl ester for fuel tanks

2013-11-16 Thread smwood
Vinyl ester has slightly better durability for 100 LL aviation fuel.  Epoxy 
is satisfactory also for 100 LL.  Both resins will dissolve slowly in the 
Ethanol that our enlightened government requires to be added to automotive 
gasoline.  In the presence of water in the Ethanol laced fuel, the Ethanol 
is much more active and will dissolve Vinyl ester quite quickly.  (Been 
there, done that, got the aluminum tanks.)  The water is absorbed by the 
Ethanol that is stored in vented gas station and aircraft fuel tanks until 
it reaches 6% water at saturation.  All the chemistry experts I checked with 
refer to this condition as a super solvent for Vinyl ester.

No mechanical filter will separate the dissolved water from the Ethanol.

Rubber components in aircraft fuel systems are also attacked by Ethanol. 
Worst case is the hardening of the tiny rubber tip on the float needle for 
float carburetors.

Recommend that Ethanol automotive fuel not be used in Vinyl ester and Epoxy 
aircraft fuel tanks.

Sid Wood
Tri-gear KR-2 N6242
Mechanicsville, MD, USA



 My M-19 is being constructed using the pink board and AeroPoxy laminating
>> resin, but the wet cell wing fuel tanks will use vinylester for fuel
>> resistance.
>>
>> Oscar Zuniga





KR> Vinyl ester for fuel tanks

2013-11-16 Thread Timothy Witmer
Pure-gas.org/has  hundreds of gas stations by states with pure gas
   
On Nov 16, 2013 8:04 PM, "smwood"  wrote:


KR> Vinyl ester for fuel tanks

2013-11-16 Thread Timothy Witmer
Pure-gas.org/has  hundreds of gas stations by states with pure gas
   
On Nov 16, 2013 8:04 PM, "smwood"  wrote:

> Vinyl ester has slightly better durability for 100 LL aviation fuel.
>  Epoxy is satisfactory also for 100 LL.  Both resins will dissolve slowly
> in the Ethanol that our enlightened government requires to be added to
> automotive gasoline.  In the presence of water in the Ethanol laced fuel,
> the Ethanol is much more active and will dissolve Vinyl ester quite
> quickly.  (Been there, done that, got the aluminum tanks.)  The water is
> absorbed by the Ethanol that is stored in vented gas station and aircraft
> fuel tanks until it reaches 6% water at saturation.  All the chemistry
> experts I checked with refer to this condition as a super solvent for Vinyl
> ester.
>
> No mechanical filter will separate the dissolved water from the Ethanol.
>
> Rubber components in aircraft fuel systems are also attacked by Ethanol.
> Worst case is the hardening of the tiny rubber tip on the float needle for
> float carburetors.
>
> Recommend that Ethanol automotive fuel not be used in Vinyl ester and
> Epoxy aircraft fuel tanks.
>
> Sid Wood
> Tri-gear KR-2 N6242
> Mechanicsville, MD, USA
>
> 
>
> My M-19 is being constructed using the pink board and AeroPoxy laminating
>
>> resin, but the wet cell wing fuel tanks will use vinylester for fuel
>>> resistance.
>>>
>>> Oscar Zuniga
>>>
>>
>
>
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