KR>Wheel Pants Upgrade
Just a quick post on my results with a new set of RV-style wheel pants. Background: Tri-Gear Stock KR2S, RAF48 airfoil, ~650 lbs empty. 80 HP Revmaster 2100D. 111 KTAS cruise (no wheel pants). Mains (only) Speed Increase = 7knots Nose Gear (only) Speed Increase = 4 knots Total Speed Increase = 11 knots For those running Cleveland Brakes; if you purchase the RV style wheel pants directly from Vans, they are actually big enough to cover the entire brake assembly so you won’t have to buy a separate “cover” for the brakes. They are pretty expensive (almost $800 for a set of three), but they are very sturdy and the quality is overall pretty good as well. Mounting them definitely took a little bit of time, (took me well over the course of 4-5 days total, but I also work very slow), and I had to make a lot of cuts with a Dremel tool to make them fit properly. That said, I am definitely very pleased with the end performance and it is a very simple way (although expensive) to get about 10 more knots. The nose gear pant WILL fit on a standard Diehl KR-2 nose gear assembly, however I couldn’t use any of the (included) Vans mounting hardware. Instead, I had to make several trips to ACE Hardware to find a certain set of nuts/bolts/spacers to make it fit. If anyone has any questions; feel free to reach out. This was not meant to be an all inclusive post about wheel pants, but just a short post on my results. Overall: 10-11 knot speed increase. Very Respectfully Samuel Spanovich N6399U 74S, Anacortes WA Sent from my iPhone -Please see LIST RULES and KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html -Change list delivery options at https://list.krnet.org/list/krnet.list.krnet.org/ Affinity List Info Board -Search recent KRnet Archives at https://list.krnet.org/empathy/list/krnet.list.krnet.org/ -Search John Bouyea's decades of archive at https://www.mail-archive.com/krnet@list.krnet.org/
Re: KR> Wheel Pants
I recently contacted Klaus at Lightspeed and he sold the molds to aerocomposites in Ukiah, CA. They are in the process of making a set for me. Chris Pryce > Personally, I used Klaus Savier (Light Speed Engineering) wheel pants, > but he's been unresponsive when asked about making any more, so I > suspect he's "moved on" from wheel pants also. That's likely because RV > wheel pants appear to be almost identical to the Light Speed ones, and > are a good fit also. That's what I'll use on N56ML, since I tore them > both up in my terraced field. > ___ Search the KRnet Archives at https://www.mail-archive.com/krnet@list.krnet.org/. Please see LIST RULES and KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html. see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to change options. To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@list.krnet.org
Re: KR> Wheel Pants
I talked to John Backer, and he said he gave a set of molds to somebody at the Gathering several years ago, so there's a set of molds out there somewhere. He's not wild about making more, especially in the dead of the Iowa winter. Personally, I used Klaus Savier (Light Speed Engineering) wheel pants, but he's been unresponsive when asked about making any more, so I suspect he's "moved on" from wheel pants also. That's likely because RV wheel pants appear to be almost identical to the Light Speed ones, and are a good fit also. That's what I'll use on N56ML, since I tore them both up in my terraced field dead-stick "landing". I think John's are perhaps smaller than I preferred to use, considering I like the larger pants which come closer to fully enclosing the brakes and tires, fairing them in better than the small original KR pants with internal brakes. Mark Langford m...@n56ml.com http://www.n56ml.com Huntsville, AL ___ Search the KRnet Archives at https://www.mail-archive.com/krnet@list.krnet.org/. Please see LIST RULES and KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html. see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to change options. To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@list.krnet.org
Re: KR> Wheel Pants
Lee I would be interested. I was going to wait until after my airplane flew to address the issue of wheel pants but I guess it won't hurt to have them ready and fabricated when I return to earth safe and sound... Luis R Claudio On Sunday, February 14, 2021, 05:10:38 PM CST, donald january via KRnet wrote: Might want to check with Bill Clapp. DJ T-mono On Sun, Feb 14, 2021 at 5:05 PM Lee Van Dyke via KRnet wrote: > I have a set of John’s and Rand, I can make a mold of either a d sell them > cheap. I have a freezer full of carbon pre preg I was looking to use > > Lee Van Dyke > > > On Feb 14, 2021, at 1:35 PM, Pete Klapp via KRnet > wrote: > > > > Netters > > Does anyone know if John Backer is still making wheel pants? > > If so if anyone has his contact info it would be greatly appreciated. A > local builder is looking for wheel pants for his project. > > Thanks I’m advance for my help you can provide, > > Pete Klapp, N729PK > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > ___ > > Search the KRnet Archives at > https://www.mail-archive.com/krnet@list.krnet.org/. > > Please see LIST RULES and KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html. > > see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to > change options. > > To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@list.krnet.org > > > ___ > Search the KRnet Archives at > https://www.mail-archive.com/krnet@list.krnet.org/. > Please see LIST RULES and KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html. > see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to change > options. > To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@list.krnet.org > ___ Search the KRnet Archives at https://www.mail-archive.com/krnet@list.krnet.org/. Please see LIST RULES and KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html. see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to change options. To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@list.krnet.org ___ Search the KRnet Archives at https://www.mail-archive.com/krnet@list.krnet.org/. Please see LIST RULES and KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html. see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to change options. To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@list.krnet.org
Re: KR> Wheel Pants
Might want to check with Bill Clapp. DJ T-mono On Sun, Feb 14, 2021 at 5:05 PM Lee Van Dyke via KRnet wrote: > I have a set of John’s and Rand, I can make a mold of either a d sell them > cheap. I have a freezer full of carbon pre preg I was looking to use > > Lee Van Dyke > > > On Feb 14, 2021, at 1:35 PM, Pete Klapp via KRnet > wrote: > > > > Netters > > Does anyone know if John Backer is still making wheel pants? > > If so if anyone has his contact info it would be greatly appreciated. A > local builder is looking for wheel pants for his project. > > Thanks I’m advance for my help you can provide, > > Pete Klapp, N729PK > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > ___ > > Search the KRnet Archives at > https://www.mail-archive.com/krnet@list.krnet.org/. > > Please see LIST RULES and KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html. > > see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to > change options. > > To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@list.krnet.org > > > ___ > Search the KRnet Archives at > https://www.mail-archive.com/krnet@list.krnet.org/. > Please see LIST RULES and KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html. > see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to change > options. > To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@list.krnet.org > ___ Search the KRnet Archives at https://www.mail-archive.com/krnet@list.krnet.org/. Please see LIST RULES and KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html. see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to change options. To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@list.krnet.org
Re: KR> Wheel Pants
I have a set of John’s and Rand, I can make a mold of either a d sell them cheap. I have a freezer full of carbon pre preg I was looking to use Lee Van Dyke > On Feb 14, 2021, at 1:35 PM, Pete Klapp via KRnet > wrote: > > Netters > Does anyone know if John Backer is still making wheel pants? > If so if anyone has his contact info it would be greatly appreciated. A local > builder is looking for wheel pants for his project. > Thanks I’m advance for my help you can provide, > Pete Klapp, N729PK > > Sent from my iPhone > ___ > Search the KRnet Archives at > https://www.mail-archive.com/krnet@list.krnet.org/. > Please see LIST RULES and KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html. > see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to change > options. > To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@list.krnet.org ___ Search the KRnet Archives at https://www.mail-archive.com/krnet@list.krnet.org/. Please see LIST RULES and KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html. see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to change options. To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@list.krnet.org
Re: KR> Wheel Pants
I'm interested also! Thanks! Ron Brown Swartz Creek, MI 8102620778 On Sun, Feb 14, 2021, 3:35 PM Pete Klapp via KRnet wrote: > Netters > Does anyone know if John Backer is still making wheel pants? > ___ Search the KRnet Archives at https://www.mail-archive.com/krnet@list.krnet.org/. Please see LIST RULES and KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html. see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to change options. To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@list.krnet.org
KR> Wheel Pants
Netters Does anyone know if John Backer is still making wheel pants? If so if anyone has his contact info it would be greatly appreciated. A local builder is looking for wheel pants for his project. Thanks I’m advance for my help you can provide, Pete Klapp, N729PK Sent from my iPhone ___ Search the KRnet Archives at https://www.mail-archive.com/krnet@list.krnet.org/. Please see LIST RULES and KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html. see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to change options. To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@list.krnet.org
KR> Wheel Pants Landing Lights
Thank You to all that responded! I wish I had a website where I could post pictures, guess that is the next item to deal with! I managed to find some small driving lights that (with a little time and patience) will "flush-up" into the nose of the pants and actually take on the original curvature with almost no body work. About the only thing that can be noticed is that there is a "glass eye" sticking out at the very tip of the pants. They are 55 watt halogen, fully enclosed in a well done aluminum housing, about 3" deep. If memory serves, I found them at Autozone for under $30. After making the initial "chop the nose off" on each pant, the finishing fit was easily accomplished with a Dremel fitted with a sanding drum. The end result is that it is very difficult to see where the wheel pant ends and the driving light housing begins. I did the initial body work using a strip of glass cloth and resin on the inside, and then just a dab of Bondo on the outside before painting. We did some preliminary testing and discovered that they would light up a neighbor's picket fence (about 1/8 mile away) very nicely in total darkness. Closer to home, they turn night into day when aimed at our house from about 300 feet away. So I figured they might be worth the time to body into the pants and see how it goes. The lights are mounted 90 degrees from their design. This results in a rather high vertical light pattern, and a rather narrow horizontal pattern. (It also results in the lights nearly falling into place inside the pants.) Looking at the neighbor's fence, the pattern looks to be about 150' wide at 1/8 mile. The vertical pattern easily lights everything from directly below the wheels to the tip of that tree at the end of the runway. Thus far it looks like a perfect pattern for aviation purposes. The one item that is still up in the air (no pun intended) is where to align the convergence of the two lights. I think I will try to have them converge at about 1/4 mile for starters. A special thanks to Edward and to Jose for their thoughts and comments. I considered the wings, and even the front cowling, but couldn't bring myself to bore holes (or cut huge slots) into perfection. I knew that if I cut a big hole into the cowling, it would mean weeks and weeks of body work to get things looking good again --- Same for the wings! Structurally, I changed my plans from a simple 12" long 2-bolt bracket to a 12" long 4-bolt bracket for each pant --- 4 bolts on the pant itself, and fastened to the gear at all 4-bolts. . Inside the pant is a full-height vertical bracket to which the light is bolted. The lights weigh only a few ounces, but making heftier brackets at this stage was much cheaper than buying a new tire or breaking an airplane because something came loose. I used 7075, but might have to back-off to 6061 if it proves to be too brittle. I fully expect the lights in the pants to be a maintenance "issue", but it is a checklist item that I am willing to deal with. Electrically, this is 110 watts at 12 volts = 9+ amps. I felt this was just a bit too much to entrust to a 10 amp. rocker switch, so a 30 amp. relay was used. This also had the side benefit of keeping heavy electrical loads away from the panel (and compass)... The wiring to each light is teflon 12 gauge, twisted, and terminated with standard crimp spade type connectors. I'll try to find a way to post some pictures. Thanks to everyone that offered thoughts and comments. Dave.
KR> Wheel Pants on or off
It is a personal choice and depends on how much snow, slush, and mud your local area gets. Some guys will remove their wheel pants each winter and others will reframe from flying when their is snow or slush on the runways and taxiways. Brant Hollensbe Bhollensbe at mchsi dot com Des Moines, Iowa
KR> Wheel Pants Landing Lights
Is it customary to leave wheel pants on in the winter months on a KR? I really don't know, so I'm asking. Seems that at my airport wheel pants are removed on all aircraft in the winter. And I would imagine that the lights would go through abuse they were not designed for. Seems that every time I drop a flash light, the bulb is gone. But than again, I have absolutely no experience with such things, just thinking out loud. ""Hi Dave, The person, I'm getting my KR2 project from went the same route, though I would really like to hear everyones opinion on this""
KR> Wheel Pants Landing Lights
The plane I'm getting is already fitted for the wheel pant lights, but when I do the tanks (after I finish my BD4, I don't want two planes on the ground out of the air) I think I will put them in the leading edge as well. Might leave the ones in the pants alone as long as they don't break but mostly as extra light for taxing or somehting. They are real light weight and already in place. I love the retracting lights, maybe under the wing at the ends or someting LOL that would be cool!! Joe -- Jose Fuentes Founding Father (one of and former Vice Prez) of Capital City.NET User's Group Former Microsoft MVP http://blogs.aspadvice.com/jfuentes
KR> Wheel Pants Landing Lights
Years ago I did this with pants on my champ that I operated mostly off dirt and gravel. It made it until the first light rain in CO and the mud picked up a rock and lodged it into the liner and locked the wheel up. I ate up a little sage brush and abandoned the pretty and stuck with the mud throwing, until I could build some racing fenders. la...@lebanair.com -Original Message- From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net] On Behalf Of Teate, Stephen Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2010 6:32 AM To: KRnet Subject: RE: KR> Wheel Pants Landing Lights "I guess I'm looking for pros and cons more than anything." The most abused components on airplanes are tires and wheel pants. Even if you don't operate off grass or dirt strips they just take a beating especially if they are in the prop wash which basically means sand blasted. Already mentioned weight and vibration issues are real considerations. To minimize the ingestion and accumulation of mud/ice/debris I took some 1/4" clark foam and glassed in a bulkhead into each half of my wheel pant around the tire. This also adds a lot of stiffness to the pants instead of having to make them with multiple layers of glass to attain the same strength. Stephen Teate Composite Cooling Solutions, L.P. 4150 International Plaza, Suite 500 Fort Worth, Texas 76109 817-708-9140 ** The information in this email is confidential and may be legally privileged. If you are not an intended recipient, you should delete this message. Access to this email by anyone else is unauthorized, and any disclosure, copying, distribution or action taken or omitted in reliance on it is prohibited and may be unlawful. ** ___ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html
KR> Wheel Pants Landing Lights
"I guess I'm looking for pros and cons more than anything." The most abused components on airplanes are tires and wheel pants. Even if you don't operate off grass or dirt strips they just take a beating especially if they are in the prop wash which basically means sand blasted. Already mentioned weight and vibration issues are real considerations. To minimize the ingestion and accumulation of mud/ice/debris I took some 1/4" clark foam and glassed in a bulkhead into each half of my wheel pant around the tire. This also adds a lot of stiffness to the pants instead of having to make them with multiple layers of glass to attain the same strength. Stephen Teate Composite Cooling Solutions, L.P. 4150 International Plaza, Suite 500 Fort Worth, Texas 76109 817-708-9140 ** The information in this email is confidential and may be legally privileged. If you are not an intended recipient, you should delete this message. Access to this email by anyone else is unauthorized, and any disclosure, copying, distribution or action taken or omitted in reliance on it is prohibited and may be unlawful. **
KR> Wheel Pants Landing Lights
Dave Dunwoodie Wrote > So the bottom line question is how to align them? With the airplane in > straight and level flight, where should the vertical beam be pointing? > Straight ahead? Down by 6 degrees? Up by 6 degrees? Something like that? I would sooner retrofit a landing light into the engine cowling. The wheels and pants are unsprung and thus can get shaken up pretty hard on landings. If your stuck with or intent on going with wheel pant lighting, which actually sounds really cool, consider that incandescent bulb filaments will likely have a shortened lifespan, and the added weight of the lighting hardware will put greater loads on the wheel pant mounting points. It would probably do to beef up the wheel pant structure to take the added loads. If it were me I would consider making the lighted nose of the wheel pant removable and the light adjustable, make my best guess at aiming, and then just go fly and see if liked it. Edward Spyker jesj69 "at" yahoo.com
KR> Wheel Pants Landing Lights
Hi Dave, The person, I'm getting my KR2 project from went the same route, though I would really like to hear everyones opinion on this, as I was worried that a wet runway would splash the inside of the wheel pants alot with water. Thoughts? Joe On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 8:19 PM, Dave Dunwoodie wrote: > I guess I'm looking for pros and cons more than anything. > > I came VERY close to installing landing lights in the wings, but it > immediately became apparent that this would become an expensive > (intimidating) process. > > As I am in the process of adding wheel pants, I thought that perhaps a > good shot for landing lights would be to poke them in the nost of the > pants. From a bodywork perspective, this is working perfectly. They > look really good! > > So the bottom line question is how to align them? With the airplane in > straight and level flight, where should the vertical beam be pointing? > Straight ahead? Down by 6 degrees? Up by 6 degrees? Something like that? > > I haven't flown my KR2 yet, so I don't have a good mental "picture" of > just where to aim the lights for/during a normal approach. > > Thanks! > > Dave. > > > ___ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > -- Jose Fuentes Founding Father (one of and former Vice Prez) of Capital City.NET User's Group Former Microsoft MVP http://blogs.aspadvice.com/jfuentes
KR> Wheel Pants Landing Lights
I guess I'm looking for pros and cons more than anything. I came VERY close to installing landing lights in the wings, but it immediately became apparent that this would become an expensive (intimidating) process. As I am in the process of adding wheel pants, I thought that perhaps a good shot for landing lights would be to poke them in the nost of the pants. From a bodywork perspective, this is working perfectly. They look really good! So the bottom line question is how to align them? With the airplane in straight and level flight, where should the vertical beam be pointing? Straight ahead? Down by 6 degrees? Up by 6 degrees? Something like that? I haven't flown my KR2 yet, so I don't have a good mental "picture" of just where to aim the lights for/during a normal approach. Thanks! Dave.
KR> wheel Pants
Ray, It makes a helluva difference in keeping the sheep poo off the underside of my wings and having flown with & without the mudguards, there was no discernable difference in performance. Cheers Mike www.devonstrut.co.uk <http://www.devonstrut.co.uk/> Devon, UK _ From: Ray Fuenzalida [mailto:ray_pi...@yahoo.com] Sent: 19 February 2010 16:49 To: mike.m...@tiscali.co.uk Subject: RE: KR> wheel pants Looks good. But is it more decorative than functional? Does it give any aerodynamic benefit? Thanks. Ray New Orleans
KR> wheel pants
Jeff You may be able to adapt this system http://picasaweb.google.com/mikemold/D112#5439494116184609954 http://jodel.com/index.asp?p=spats&construction regards Mike Mold D112 G-BHNL www.devonstrut.co.uk -Original Message- From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net] On Behalf Of Jeff York Sent: 17 February 2010 20:55 To: kr...@mylist.net Subject: KR> wheel pants Does anyone have some nice detailed pictures of how they did their wheel pants specific to the main gear.
KR> wheel pants
> > >I have started and stopped the completion of my main wheel pant >installation mostly because I do not know if I should or should not >constuct a backing plate assembly on the gear leg side of the installation. > Jeff York +++ It's not necessary to have a "backing plate" as elaborate as the Cessna type. A reinforced mounting hole that slips over the axle on the outside and a rectangular plate of some type, say a 2" by whatever length works with a couple bends to attach the inside. You can bolt the plates, one going forward and one to the rear, to the axle mounting bolts. Shape the straps in whatever way necessary to give you a small flat plate area on the other end to run an attach screw through to a blind nut on the inside of the plate. We're talking something like a "Z" shape here. Be creative and make it work for you size pants. Light metal will work, certainly no thicker than 1/8" aluminum. That should be good to 200mph. :-) Larry Flesner
KR> wheel pants
Does anyone have some nice detailed pictures of how they did their wheel pants specific to the main gear. Maybe if you know which completed or under construction sites on the KRnet lists. I have started and stopped the completion of my main wheel pant installation mostly because I do not know if I should or should not constuct a backing plate assembly on the gear leg side of the installation. My wheel pants have the gear leg fairing mating assembly and the actual wheel pants Re: the Tom Crawford assembly on his KR and I once took detailed pictures of his at Sun N Fun years ago. Has anyone out there had good luck with just mating the two assemblies via epoxing nuts to the inside of the pant, and bolting the gear leg fairing to the pant and associated bolt through on the outside center of the pant to the axle? Am I making sense here? Or is it best to build an alum backing plate re: the Cessna wheel pant type assembly? My concern is wheel pant flex slash ending up breaking off on landing slash ??? Jeff York KR2
KR> Wheel Pants
What a way to start a day This morning at daybreak I made my first flight with the wheel pants installed on my plane. What a huge difference in speed. I was tooling along straight and level at 3000' at 160 MPH TAS. Check this link for details and photos: http://www.flykr2s.com/photo.html Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI Visit my web site: www.flykr2s.com E-mail: flyk...@wi.rr.com
KR> Wheel Pants
That is impressive. How much did the pants for the mains cost? I take it they are of the pressure recovery variety? Jeff On 5/25/07, Mark Jones wrote: > What a way to start a day > > This morning at daybreak I made my first flight with the wheel pants > installed on my plane. What a huge difference in speed. I was tooling along > straight and level at 3000' at 160 MPH TAS. Check this link for details and > photos: http://www.flykr2s.com/photo.html > > > Mark Jones (N886MJ) > Wales, WI > Visit my web site: www.flykr2s.com > E-mail: flyk...@wi.rr.com > ___ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net > Post photos, introductions, and For Sale items to > http://www.kr2forum.com/phpBB2/index.php > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html >
KR> Wheel Pants
Congratulations Mark! That is the information I was hoping to hear. They look good on there too. I think you will get a little more improvement when you get the gear leg faired into the pant and the area over the brake closed. Thanks for the pictures. John Backer On Fri, 25 May 2007 08:08:09 -0500 "Mark Jones" wrote: > What a way to start a day > > This morning at daybreak I made my first flight with the >wheel pants installed on my plane. What a huge difference >in speed. I was tooling along straight and level at 3000' >at 160 MPH TAS. Check this link for details and photos: >http://www.flykr2s.com/photo.html > > > Mark Jones (N886MJ) > Wales, WI > Visit my web site: www.flykr2s.com > E-mail: flyk...@wi.rr.com > ___ > Search the KRnet Archives at >http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to >krnet-le...@mylist.net > Post photos, introductions, and For Sale items to >http://www.kr2forum.com/phpBB2/index.php > please see other KRnet info at >http://www.krnet.org/info.html
KR> Wheel Pants
looks good mark real good phill - Original Message - From: "Mark Jones" To: "KRnet" ; "Corvair Net" Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 2:08 PM Subject: KR> Wheel Pants > What a way to start a day > > This morning at daybreak I made my first flight with the wheel pants > installed on my plane. What a huge difference in speed. I was tooling > along straight and level at 3000' at 160 MPH TAS. Check this link for > details and photos: http://www.flykr2s.com/photo.html > > > Mark Jones (N886MJ) > Wales, WI > Visit my web site: www.flykr2s.com > E-mail: flyk...@wi.rr.com > ___ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net > Post photos, introductions, and For Sale items to > http://www.kr2forum.com/phpBB2/index.php > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > -- > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.410 / Virus Database: 268.17.15/659 - Release Date: > 30/01/2007 09:31 > > -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 25575 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len
KR> Wheel Pants
Does anyone know of some good websites on how to install wheel pants? I bought a set of wheel pants from John Backer and the fairings from Dan Diehl and I am not sure if there is any one good way to do this. A website with some pictures would sure help me in the right direction. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Steve Henderson St. Louis, MO KR-1 kr-avia...@sbcglobal.net .
KR> Wheel Pants
I'm also trying to come up with pant brackets. I have Matco disc brake set up. This seems a very difficult installation set up. Looking for help???/ Phil Matheson VH-PKR7 Australia KR Web Page phillipmathe...@bigpond.com www.philskr2.50megs.com http://www.vw-engines.com/
KR> Wheel Pants
Does anyone know of some good websites on how to install wheel pants? I bought a set of wheel pants from John Backer and the fairings from Dan Diehl... Steve Henderson St. Louis, MO KR-1 kr-avia...@sbcglobal.net Here is how I am doing my wheel pants and Diehl fairings. http://websites.expercraft.com/sidwood/index.php?q=log_entry&log_id=1293 0 http://websites.expercraft.com/sidwood/index.php?q=log_entry&log_id=3910 http://websites.expercraft.com/sidwood/index.php?q=log_entry&log_id=4033 Sid Wood Tri-gear KR-2 N6242 Mechanicsville, MD USA sidney.w...@l-3com.com
KR> Wheel Pants
Steve Henderson wrote: > Does anyone know of some good websites on how to install wheel pants? I > bought a set of wheel pants from John Backer and the fairings from Dan > Diehl... Here's one, at my RV counterpart's website at http://home.hiwaay.net/~sbuc/journal/fairings.htm . I like his piano hinge trailing edge for the gear leg fairings. These are prefab though, and you may be looking for more detail in that department than this website shows. John's come in top and bottom halves, and need to be joined and then cut vertically and then joggles added to add in connecting forward and rear halves (at least that's how mine will be done). I'll be going down this same trail in the next few weeks. I have some 4130 coming in today to make lower bracket extensions from, and then it'll be fairing/pant time for me as well. Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama see KR2S homebuilt airplane N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford email to N56ML "at" hiwaay.net
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There are several of us working on that now. I am sure that Mark L. will document what he is doing, and I will, as I get to it. Just putting the two halves together is a trick. My problem is going to be dealing with the Matco wheel and brake installation on the Diehl gear bracket and then trying to fit those fairings on all of that. Not looking forward to it. From: sidney.w...@l-3com.com List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org Date: 2007/03/12 Mon AM 07:53:24 CDT To: Subject: KR> Wheel Pants Does anyone know of some good websites on how to install wheel pants? I bought a set of wheel pants from John Backer and the fairings from Dan Diehl... Steve Henderson St. Louis, MO KR-1 kr-avia...@sbcglobal.net Here is how I am doing my wheel pants and Diehl fairings. http://websites.expercraft.com/sidwood/index.php?q=log_entry&log_id=1293 0 http://websites.expercraft.com/sidwood/index.php?q=log_entry&log_id=3910 http://websites.expercraft.com/sidwood/index.php?q=log_entry&log_id=4033 Sid Wood Tri-gear KR-2 N6242 Mechanicsville, MD USA sidney.w...@l-3com.com ___ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net Post photos, introductions, and For Sale items to http://www.kr2forum.com/phpBB2/index.php please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html
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>I'm also trying to come up with pant brackets. I have Matco disc brake set >up. >This seems a very difficult installation set up. >Phil Matheson ++ Phil, Check out http://mysite.verizon.net/flesner/21.jpg This might give you some ideas. It is the standard Cessna bracket for mounting wheel pants. Cessna uses a threaded extension of the wheel locking nut to mount the pants on the outside. It looks basically like a piece of pipe threaded to spin on to the axle to hold the wheel and a plate welded on the outboard end that is drilled and tapped. If you have a solid axle, the axle can be drilled and tapped for the outboard fitting. Some type of spacer may be required if the axle does not extend out beyond the wheel. This could be as simple as a flat piece of aluminum, mounted to the axle, bent to extend outward, and then bent again to form a mounting tab(s). That is the way my RV pants mount to the axle. The inboard bracket generally mounts between the axle base and the lower gear leg bracket. The Cessna bracket in the picture may be a bit difficult to duplicate so you could go with a piece of aluminum that simply has two or three "arms" that can be bent to form mounting tabs for the pants on the inside. As I recall, my RV pants only have two mounting tabs on the inboard side. My RV pants had a considerable space on the inboard side between the bracket and the pant. I made spacers using what I think is called a "threaded connector". It looks like six or eight "nuts" stacked together. They come in various sizes, both length and thread diameter. I used a piece of threaded rod, cut to the correct size on the bracket side, and used the outboard end as the mount point for the pant. You can spin the connector in or out on the threaded rod to adjust the threaded connector to the exact length you need and use locking nuts to keep it from rotating. The threaded rod is held in place on the tab with a nut on each side to lock it down. You could use lock nuts or regular nuts with lock washers. Mounting the pants before any paint is applied allows you to see through the pant to drill the holes for the mounting hardware. I think I'm approaching 1000 words so this should be as good as a picture. :-) If not, my KR is out of annual and I'll have the pants off soon for the inspection. I can take a few pic's and e-mail them to you. Good luck.. Larry Flesner
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I too am building John Backer's wheel pants on my plane. I have already installed the nose wheel pant and am flying with that one. I am currently working on the main pants. I have the Matco brakes on my main wheels and have decided how I will mount them. I will be making a web page to document this installation but it will probably be a few weeks before I have the web page up and running. I will let everyone know when it is ready. Joining the two halves is actually rather simple. All you have to do is use duct tape and tape the two halves together. Once this is done and you are satisfied, do a lay up of glass on the inside to join the seam. Then you will make a vertical cut to make a front half and rear half. From there you will need to duct tape the inside edge of the rear half and then duct tape the two halves back together on the outside. Through the tire opening you will now do a lay up of glass on the front half which will extend about one inch over the duct tape you put on the inside of the rear half. Do about three layers thick to give you a good edge. Once this is cured, separate the two halves. Now, on the inside edge of the rear half, you will need to glass in some flush nuts. What I did was to go to the hardware store and buy some 10-32 flush furniture nuts that have the three little metal prongs sticking down which press into the wood on furniture. Now, drill holes in the rear edge of the wheel pant spaced approximately two inches apart. Next, cut you some squares of fiberglass about one two inches square. You will take the furniture nuts and press them through the center of the fiberglass square making sure the three prongs extend through the fiberglass. Now take those and place them over the holes you drilled and epoxy them down and allow to dry. Again, glass at least three layers of square cloth here to make a good strong base for the nut. Be careful not to allow epoxy into the threaded area of the nut. If epoxy does get in there, you can tap it out later. Once this is done, Place the front half on the rear half. Now take a light and shine it inside the wheel pant. This will allow you to see exactly where the nut center is so you can mark the front half for drilling. Use 10-32 pan head stainless steel screws to attach the two halves together. Like I said, I hope to have my web page on this up soon, but this should get you started. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI Web Site: www.flykr2s.com -Original Message- From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net]On Behalf Of sidney.w...@l-3com.com Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 7:53 AM To: kr...@mylist.net Subject: KR> Wheel Pants Does anyone know of some good websites on how to install wheel pants? I bought a set of wheel pants from John Backer and the fairings from Dan Diehl... Steve Henderson St. Louis, MO KR-1 kr-avia...@sbcglobal.net
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The wheel pants that I have provided to KR builders need a lot of work to get them on the plane correctly. I have found nearly all of the wheel pants you get from anyone take time and ingenuity to get them installed correctly. I have spent a lot of time trying to figure out an easy, fool proof way to get them installed but there are so many types of gear and brakes. I have a Word document that I can send to anyone interested that sends me their email address. http://home.hiwaay.net/~sbuc/journal/fairings.htm http://www.rvproject.com/20040611.html are a couple of sites you might go to for information. John Backer
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i use the 500-5 after having smaller wheels and noticed it does run better on grass phil - Original Message - From: "Mark Langford" To: "KRnet" Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 12:38 PM Subject: Re: KR> KR Wheel pants > Phil Geoghegan wrote: > >> they look good! I am trying to decide whether to use the lamb 10x400-5 or >> the normal 500-5 tires. Does anyone use the smaller ones on grass strips? > > I land on grass all the time with 10x400-5's with no problem at all. But > I > don't have wheel pants yet (not that it matter much regarding tire size). > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama > see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > email to N56ML "at" hiwaay.net > > > ___ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.10/491 - Release Date: > 23/10/2006 > > I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 25129 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.10/491 - Release Date: 23/10/2006
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lay a big part too just a few pounds can realy make it run phil - Original Message - From: "phil brookman" To: "KRnet" Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 6:52 PM Subject: Re: KR> KR Wheel pants >i use the 500-5 after having smaller wheels and noticed it does run better > on grass > phil > - Original Message - > From: "Mark Langford" > To: "KRnet" > Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 12:38 PM > Subject: Re: KR> KR Wheel pants > > >> Phil Geoghegan wrote: >> >>> they look good! I am trying to decide whether to use the lamb 10x400-5 >>> or >>> the normal 500-5 tires. Does anyone use the smaller ones on grass >>> strips? >> >> I land on grass all the time with 10x400-5's with no problem at all. But >> I >> don't have wheel pants yet (not that it matter much regarding tire size). >> >> Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama >> see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford >> email to N56ML "at" hiwaay.net >> >> >> ___ >> Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp >> to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net >> please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.10/491 - Release Date: >> 23/10/2006 >> >> > > > I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. > It has removed 25129 spam emails to date. > Paying users do not have this message in their emails. > Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.10/491 - Release Date: > 23/10/2006 > > > > ___ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.10/491 - Release Date: > 23/10/2006 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.10/491 - Release Date: 23/10/2006
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I think I will go with the RV spats, the vertical split should be useful and they look good! I am trying to decide whether to use the lamb 10x400-5 or the normal 500-5 tires. Does anyone use the smaller ones on grass strips? Cheers Phil >From: Larry&Sallie Flesner >Reply-To: KRnet >To: KRnet >Subject: KR> KR Wheel pants >Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 18:37:26 -0500 > >At 06:07 PM 10/19/2006, you wrote: > >Same experience: very difficult to get the wheels spats off without > >jacking up, although there are only a couple centimeters missing. I also > >had to battle with the nuts, until I decided to glue Rivnuts to the >spats. > >Serge Vidal > > >The RV type "spat" is split in half vertically just forward of the axle >so the front half is removed forward. The rear half on the RV "spat" >is removed to the rear with much less , if any, vertical movement than a >normally mounted "spat". I would think any "spat" could be modified >to mount and remove in the same manner if vertical space is >limited. My "spats" have mounting holes only and all mounting >screws / bolts attach to either the axle or mounting hardware with >blind nuts attached. > >Larry Flesner > > >___ >Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp >to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net >please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html _ Be the first to hear what's new at MSN - sign up to our free newsletters! http://www.msn.co.uk/newsletters
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Don't know about the small ones on grass, but I had 500X5 on my first KR and it was sweet. I have the small ones on this one and am concerned about landing on grass with them. See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics See you at the 2007 - KR Gathering There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for Flying has begun. Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC ---Original Message--- I am trying to decide whether to use the lamb 10x400-5 or the normal 500-5 tires.
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Phil Geoghegan wrote: > they look good! I am trying to decide whether to use the lamb 10x400-5 or > the normal 500-5 tires. Does anyone use the smaller ones on grass strips? I land on grass all the time with 10x400-5's with no problem at all. But I don't have wheel pants yet (not that it matter much regarding tire size). Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford email to N56ML "at" hiwaay.net
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Hi I am using the diehl taildragger UC (Asuza 5" and lamb tire) with great plains hydraulic brakes. I was wondering which wheel pants people are using. Phil www.philgeoghegan.co.uk _ Windows Live Messenger has arrived. Click here to download it for free! http://imagine-msn.com/messenger/launch80/?locale=en-gb
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At 04:16 AM 10/18/2006, you wrote: >Hi > I am using the diehl taildragger UC (Asuza 5" and lamb tire) with >great plains hydraulic brakes. I was wondering which wheel pants >people are using. >Phil +++ Jeff Scott and I are using the RV pressure recovery pants on our KR's and I think Jeff is as happy with his as I am with mine. We both have slightly longer Diehl legs (30 inch) so I don't know if the size of the pants would allow them to be used on a shorter gear or not. I picked up an honest 10 to 12 mph. Pic's at: http://www.kr2s.com/KR2006/tn_2006KR30_JPG.jpg Other types of pants used is as great as the number of other KR's flying. Larry Flesner
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Whatever you use just make sure it will fit over the tyre in the gap between the bottom of the wing and the top of the wheel. I need to jack my KR up to let all the weight off the spring to allow for enough space for the spat to slide into place. Also make sure the nuts are fixed to the spats as you will not be able to get a spanner in between the wheel and the spat to hold it. - Original Message - From: "Larry&Sallie Flesner" To: "KRnet" Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 3:29 PM Subject: Re: KR> KR Wheel pants > At 04:16 AM 10/18/2006, you wrote: >>Hi >> I am using the diehl taildragger UC (Asuza 5" and lamb tire) with >>great plains hydraulic brakes. I was wondering which wheel pants >>people are using. >>Phil > +++ > > > > > > ___ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html >
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I will vouch for that. I only have the nose wheel covered right now. I have the John Backer pants and just the nose wheel gave me 8 mph. If I ever get back in the air, I will get the main gears covered with pants too. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI My Web site: http://www.flykr2s.com/ Mailto:flyk...@wi.rr.com -Original Message- >It's probably worth noting that Larry and I also use bigger tires >(5:00x5) than the rest of the KR fleet, which is the reason for using >the larger wheel pants. However, they do really help with the drag >reduction. >Jeff Scott
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i can confirm that 5-10 mph reduction when i took thenm off 500-5 you can be sure they were not off for long just couldnt live with it--- thats 10 miles less ground covered in one hour phil - Original Message - From: "Jeff Scott" To: Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 8:31 PM Subject: Re: KR> KR Wheel pants > It's probably worth noting that Larry and I also use bigger tires > (5:00x5) than the rest of the KR fleet, which is the reason for using > the larger wheel pants. However, they do really help with the drag > reduction. > > Jeff Scott > > -- Larry&Sallie Flesner wrote: > At 04:16 AM 10/18/2006, you wrote: >>Hi >> I am using the diehl taildragger UC (Asuza 5" and lamb tire) > with >>great plains hydraulic brakes. I was wondering which wheel pants >>people are using. >>Phil > +++ > > > Jeff Scott and I are using the RV pressure recovery pants on our KR's > and I think Jeff is as happy with his as I am with mine. We both have > slightly longer Diehl legs (30 inch) so I don't know if the size of the > pants would allow them to be used on a shorter gear or not. I picked > up an honest 10 to 12 mph. Pic's at: > > http://www.kr2s.com/KR2006/tn_2006KR30_JPG.jpg > > Other types of pants used is as great as the number of other KR's > flying. > > Larry Flesner > > > > > ___ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.5/483 - Release Date: 18/10/2006 > > I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 25121 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.5/483 - Release Date: 18/10/2006
Réf. : Re: KR> KR Wheel pants
Same experience: very difficult to get the wheels spats off without
jacking up, although there are only a couple centimeters missing. I also
had to battle with the nuts, until I decided to glue Rivnuts to the spats.
Now, how often do you expect to remove the spats? I fgured out that each
time I remove them, it will be to do something serious to the tires,
wheels or brakes, so will have to jack up, anyway. I just drilled a large
hole in the spat' covered with a plastic plug, to be able to access the
tires valve.
Serge Vidal
KR2 "Kilimanjaro Cloud"
Paris, France
"Willie van der Walt"
Envoyé par : krnet-boun...@mylist.net
19/10/2006 16:48
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Remis le : 19/10/2006 16:48
Pour : "KRnet"
cc :(ccc : Serge VIDAL/DNSA/SAGEM)
Objet : Re: KR> KR Wheel pants
Whatever you use just make sure it will fit over the tyre in the gap
between the bottom of the wing and the top of the wheel. I need to jack my
KR up to let all the weight off the spring to allow for enough space for
the
spat to slide into place. Also make sure the nuts are fixed to the spats
as
you will not be able to get a spanner in between the wheel and the spat to
hold it.
- Original Message -
From: "Larry&Sallie Flesner"
To: "KRnet"
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 3:29 PM
Subject: Re: KR> KR Wheel pants
> At 04:16 AM 10/18/2006, you wrote:
>>Hi
>> I am using the diehl taildragger UC (Asuza 5" and lamb tire)
with
>>great plains hydraulic brakes. I was wondering which wheel pants
>>people are using.
>>Phil
> +++
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At 06:07 PM 10/19/2006, you wrote: >Same experience: very difficult to get the wheels spats off without >jacking up, although there are only a couple centimeters missing. I also >had to battle with the nuts, until I decided to glue Rivnuts to the spats. >Serge Vidal The RV type "spat" is split in half vertically just forward of the axle so the front half is removed forward. The rear half on the RV "spat" is removed to the rear with much less , if any, vertical movement than a normally mounted "spat". I would think any "spat" could be modified to mount and remove in the same manner if vertical space is limited. My "spats" have mounting holes only and all mounting screws / bolts attach to either the axle or mounting hardware with blind nuts attached. Larry Flesner
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My wheel pants made next to no difference, makbe 2kts. And the grass runway I use is so ruff in places that in 10 hours I had to repair both sides. For me, wheel pants are to much effort for the return! regardsBarry Kruyssen Cairns, Australia k...@bigpond.com http://www.users.bigpond.com/kr2/kr2.htm -Original Message- From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net] On Behalf Of Mark Jones Sent: Wednesday, 21 June 2006 11:04 AM To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR> KR Net I do have one question. I have a need for speed...How do I get this thing to go faster? 148 WOT just is not enough for me. I think I need a higher pitched prop. I know adding wheel pants will help some. Maybe an o-360
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Youm should have done the 0-360, I think it would have given you a few more knots. good luck. Jim On Wed, 21 Jun 2006 11:07:22 +1000 "Barry Kruyssen" writes: > My wheel pants made next to no difference, makbe 2kts. And the grass > runway > I use is so ruff in places that in 10 hours I had to repair both > sides. > > For me, wheel pants are to much effort for the return! > > regardsBarry Kruyssen > Cairns, Australia > k...@bigpond.com > http://www.users.bigpond.com/kr2/kr2.htm > > > -Original Message- > From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net] On > Behalf > Of Mark Jones > Sent: Wednesday, 21 June 2006 11:04 AM > To: KRnet > Subject: Re: KR> KR Net > > I do have one question. I have a need for speed...How do I get this > thing to > go faster? 148 WOT just is not enough for me. I think I need a > higher > pitched prop. I know adding wheel pants will help some. Maybe an > o-360 > > > > ___ > Search the KRnet Archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > >
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There was an article in the EAA magazine several years ago about a Glasair trike that gained 15 miles per hour speed from a special designed wheel pants. I don't know which year/month it was but look it up Mark, it might be worth it to you. By the way--I hate these laptop keyboards myself. Funny how the cursor decides to jump into an unexpected place while typing Can't be me !!! Larry H.
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took mine off the other day and lost 10 mph soon put them back on i tell yopu phil - Original Message - From: "Larry H." To: Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 7:00 PM Subject: KR> WHEEL PANTS > There was an article in the EAA magazine several years ago about a Glasair > trike that gained 15 miles per hour speed from a special designed wheel > pants. I don't know which year/month it was but look it up Mark, it might > be worth it to you. > > By the way--I hate these laptop keyboards myself. Funny how the cursor > decides to jump into an unexpected place while typing Can't be me !!! > > Larry H. > ___ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.0/368 - Release Date: 16/06/2006 > > -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 24967 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.0/368 - Release Date: 16/06/2006
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At 07:10 AM 5/27/2006, you wrote: >Yeah, When I installed the pants, Richard S. talked me into installing >them lower than normal so I only have about 1" - 1.5" of clearance. >Steve +++ Let's hope you never have a flat tire or you will most likely be fixing more than a flat tire. I think I installed mine at or slightly above the bottom of the wheel. Even so, a rolling flat will most likely cause wheel pant damage as my side clearance is rather tight. At one point I seemed to be getting a lot of landing gear vibration at the higher speeds on T.O. and landing. I attributed it to gear misalignment but was questioning why or what had changed from earlier set up. I found one pant had shifted slightly and was rubbing on the tire sidewall. Correcting that problem got rid of the vibration and once again it is hard to detect the actual lift off or touch down. Well, o.k., not all my touch downs are all that smooth but our quest for that extra one or two miles per hour airspeed can cause other day to day problems. Didn't Jim Bede have a wheel cover that had a flap / cover that actually closed over the tire in flight on one of his models? Larry Flesner
KR> wheel pants
Hello everyone, I would like to say "thank you" to everyone who responded to my wheel pants question. I spoke with Mr. Backer today and I will buy some wheel pants from him. Steve Henderson KR-1 St. Louis, MO sp...@sbcglobal.net - Original Message - From: "Mark Langford" To: "KRnet" Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2005 10:22 PM Subject: Re: KR> wheel pants > Yes, I think Bill's were made by John Backer. I have a set also, and they > are gorgeous (but they'd look a lot better on my plane). Here's something > John posted in January, from the archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp , searching on the word > "backer"... > > "I check my KRnet messages nearly everyday. I can be contacted at > jsbac...@yahoo.com or 641-816-5575. > My mailing address is PO Box 575 Greene IA 50636-0575." > > Mark Langford, Harvest, AL > see homebuilt airplane at http://www.N56ML.com > email to N56ML "at" hiwaay.net > > > ___ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html >
KR> KR Wheel Pants
Hello KRNET, Doesn anyone know where I can purchase some wheel pants for the Diehl gear legs? I am looking for some like the ones on Bill Clapp's plane. Steve Henderson KR-1 St. Louis, MO sp...@sbcglobal.net
KR> wheel pants
Steve You will need to contact Bill directly as the wheel pants are a modified set Bill did himself. He has pretty much totally re-worked his set. email him at : ifly...@aol.com He explained this to me at Corvair College and at some point plans on offering sets from molds he will pull from his finished set. Colin Rainey brokerpilot9...@earthlink.net EarthLink Revolves Around You.
KR> wheel pants
I don't know about now,but the set he originally had was a set he got from John Backer.Mark L might know how to get in touch with John. Bob Glidden Eminence,Indiana KR2S N181FW (building) Corvair 110 glid...@ccrtc.com --- ---
KR> wheel pants
Bill told me he got his from John Backer, from the archives: List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org Date: Jan 8, 2005 5:58 AM From: john backer Subject: KR> Wheel Pants I check my KRnet messages nearly everyday. I can be contacted at jsbac...@yahoo.com or 641-816-5575. My mailing address is PO Box 575 Greene IA 50636-0575. John Backer- Original Message - From: "Colin Rainey" To: Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2005 11:00 PM Subject: KR> wheel pants > Steve > You will need to contact Bill directly as the wheel pants are a modified > set Bill did himself. He has pretty much totally re-worked his set. email > him at : > ifly...@aol.com > > He explained this to me at Corvair College and at some point plans on > offering sets from molds he will pull from his finished set. > > > Colin Rainey > brokerpilot9...@earthlink.net > EarthLink Revolves Around You. > ___ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html >
KR> wheel pants
Yes, I think Bill's were made by John Backer. I have a set also, and they are gorgeous (but they'd look a lot better on my plane). Here's something John posted in January, from the archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp , searching on the word "backer"... "I check my KRnet messages nearly everyday. I can be contacted at jsbac...@yahoo.com or 641-816-5575. My mailing address is PO Box 575 Greene IA 50636-0575." Mark Langford, Harvest, AL see homebuilt airplane at http://www.N56ML.com email to N56ML "at" hiwaay.net
KR> Wheel pants
After I finish installing the Cleveland brakes on Tweety, I will need to rework my Rand wheel pants. I need some suggestions on how to make the inner cover and would like to see how others attached the pants to the gear legs. pictures and links would be most appreciated. Orma Southfield, MI N110LR Tweety, old enough to drink this year Flying and more flying, to the gathering or bust http://www.kr-2.aviation-mechanics.com/
KR> wheel pants and trim
NetHeads, You guys that have flown without and with wheel pants...was there any noticeable difference in the trim required when wheel pants were installed? The reason I ask is I've never been able to fly with trim in the neutral position...it's always nose up, and with flaps I still don't have enough to relieve the workload. I'm thinking about adjusting my horizontal stab down a little to try to get a little closer to centered. I can see how adding wheel pants would streamline the wheels, causing less drag about the wheels, decreasing the tendency to fly nose down, but I guess I'm trying to get a feel for how pronounced the difference is. I'm still waiting on my crank and heads (they'll be here this week), so today I'm doing airframe stuff, like painting the glare shield flat black, wiring the fuel gauge properly, and swapping out the flap switch to one that is momentary when in the down position. Thanks, Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford email to N56ML "at" hiwaay.net --
KR> wheel pants and trim
I can see how adding >wheel pants would streamline the wheels, causing less drag about the wheels, >decreasing the tendency to fly nose down, but I guess I'm trying to get a >feel for how pronounced the difference is. >>Mark Langford Mark, Since I recently added pants I'd have to say I noticed little if any difference in the trim or the way the KR flies, other than picking up 12 to 15 mph. If you're wanting to adjust the horz stab while you're down for the engine, I'd say go for it and disregard the latter effect of adding wheel pants. Just remember, my advise is worth every cent you paid for it. :-) Larry Flesner
KR> wheel pants and trim
I've flown with two different types of wheel pants as well as none at all. Even flown with all the wheel pant fittings hanging out in the wind. No differnce in the trim, although it was much draggier without the pants. Jeff Scott On Sun, 17 Jul 2005 14:56:23 -0500 "Mark Langford" writes: > NetHeads, > > You guys that have flown without and with wheel pants...was there > any > noticeable difference in the trim required when wheel pants were > installed? > The reason I ask is I've never been able to fly with trim in the > neutral > position...it's always nose up, and with flaps I still don't have > enough to > relieve the workload. I'm thinking about adjusting my horizontal > stab down > a little to try to get a little closer to centered. I can see how > adding > wheel pants would streamline the wheels, causing less drag about the > wheels, > decreasing the tendency to fly nose down, but I guess I'm trying to > get a > feel for how pronounced the difference is. > > I'm still waiting on my crank and heads (they'll be here this week), > so > today I'm doing airframe stuff, like painting the glare shield flat > black, > wiring the fuel gauge properly, and swapping out the flap switch to > one that > is momentary when in the down position. > > Thanks, > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama > see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > email to N56ML "at" hiwaay.net > -- > > > ___ > Search the KRnet Archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > >
KR> wheel pants and trim
Recently added pants to my tri-gear. No noticeable trim effect. I always have to use nose up trim. Quite a bit when flying at 80 kts. or less. Simultaneously adding the pants and wing gap covers (vertical blinds) added about 12 knots (10%) to top speed. Ken Jones, kenbjo...@cinci.rr.com Sharonville, OH N5834, aka The Porkopolis Flying Pig KHAO - Original Message - From: "Mark Langford" > You guys that have flown without and with wheel pants...was there any > noticeable difference in the trim required when wheel pants were > installed? > The reason I ask is I've never been able to fly with trim in the neutral > position...it's always nose up, and with flaps I still don't have enough > to > relieve the workload. I'm thinking about adjusting my horizontal stab > down > a little to try to get a little closer to centered. I can see how adding > wheel pants would streamline the wheels, causing less drag about the > wheels, > decreasing the tendency to fly nose down, but I guess I'm trying to get a > feel for how pronounced the difference is.
KR> wheel pants/ climb rate
At 10:50 PM 7/17/05 -0400, you wrote: >Did you get any climb rate increase that you could tell or just a speed >increase? >Brian Kraut +++ In theory I've had to pick up a bit but whatever it was is not noticable on a VSI that is bouncing around anyway. Whatever horsepower was needed before to overcome the drag of the wheels is now available for additional climb. That drag, however, was a lot less at climb speed than cruise speed so the effect would be much smaller. Larry Flesner
KR> wheel pants
FINALLY, after a year and a half and 150 hours on the KR, it flew for the first time with wheel pants. YEEE HA. !! With the old 600X6's and even more recently with the 500:5's I was seeing approx 155 indicated at full throttle level flight. It would pull about 2600 rpm on the 0-200. This morning the ol' girl was pushing 170 indicated and pulling about 2700 rpm, and several times the ASI was bumping 172 mph or so. Power up Mooney drivers or eat my dust !! I installed the new style RV pants that didn't come with any directions so it took a bit to make them work but they're on, they look good, and fly great !! The air was really bumpy today so I didn't get any accurate speed runs in. I did get in one eight-way GPS run but it was a bit bumpy and I had to dodge a few clouds. It averaged out to 165 mph which gives me an HONEST 10 mph increase over no wheel pants. I think a good run in smooth air will show a 12 to 14 mph increase. Before wheel pants I'd level out at cruise and the ASI would work its way up to the 155 mph mark when I could get the VSI to settle down. With the pants installed I'd level off and the ASI quickly shot to the 160 mark and when I got the VSI to settle out it was hitting 170 !! Now , even with moderate turblance and a bouncing VSI it stays in the 160 to 165 range. The GPS run, by the way, was at a density altitude of approx 8000 feet so I was probably only getting 22 inches of MP and able to pull 2500 rpm. Also on a low altitude full throttle run I'm picking up an additional 50 to 75 rpm with the increased speed. My problem now will be taking them off long enough to finish them. All I can say is " you have to catch me to tell me they look tacky" !! I am one "happy dude" with one "mean machine". And I thought I had something to YE HAAA about before... Larry Flesner
KR> wheel pants
Very good news Larry. I had no idea that it would make that much difference Ours are waiting for the hours to be flown off so I don't have to take time away ffrom the possibility of making the gathering with the WannaBee that soon WillBee. See you in Mt. Vernon - 2005 - KR Gathering See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for building has expired. Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC ---Original Message--- FINALLY, after a year and a half and 150 hours on the KR, it flew for the first time with wheel pants. YEEE HA. !!
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Congrats, Larry. At first read, that felt a bit strange, because I have a
much different experience. When I was learning to fly my KR2, the
instructor asked me to remove the wheel pants, so that we don't damage
them in case of rough landings. I did not notice any serious difference at
the time. Now, thinking of it, your speeds are much greater, and I
suppose the faster you go, the more the drag will be significant.
Serge Vidal
KR2 "Kilimanjaro Cloud"
Paris, France
larry flesner
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Objet : KR> wheel pants
FINALLY, after a year and a half and 150 hours on the KR, it flew
for the first time with wheel pants. YEEE HA. !!
With the old 600X6's and even more recently with the 500:5's I was
seeing approx 155 indicated at full throttle level flight. It would pull
about 2600 rpm on the 0-200. This morning the ol' girl was pushing
170 indicated and pulling about 2700 rpm, and several times the
ASI was bumping 172 mph or so. Power up Mooney drivers or
eat my dust !!
I installed the new style RV pants that didn't come with any directions
so it took a bit to make them work but they're on, they look good,
and fly great !!
The air was really bumpy today so I didn't get any accurate speed
runs in. I did get in one eight-way GPS run but it was a bit
bumpy and I had to dodge a few clouds. It averaged out to 165 mph
which gives me an HONEST 10 mph increase over no wheel pants.
I think a good run in smooth air will show a 12 to 14 mph increase.
Before wheel pants I'd level out at cruise and the ASI would work
its way up to the 155 mph mark when I could get the VSI to
settle down. With the pants installed I'd level off and the ASI
quickly shot to the 160 mark and when I got the VSI to settle
out it was hitting 170 !! Now , even with moderate turblance and
a bouncing VSI it stays in the 160 to 165 range. The GPS run,
by the way, was at a density altitude of approx 8000 feet so I was
probably only getting 22 inches of MP and able to pull 2500 rpm.
Also on a low altitude full throttle run I'm picking up an additional
50 to 75 rpm with the increased speed. My problem now will be
taking them off long enough to finish them. All I can say is " you
have to catch me to tell me they look tacky" !!
I am one "happy dude" with one "mean machine". And I thought
I had something to YE HAAA about before...
Larry Flesner
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KR> Wheel Pants
Brian I check my KRnet messages nearly everyday. I can be contacted at jsbac...@yahoo.com or 641-816-5575. My mailing address is PO Box 575 Greene IA 50636-0575. John Backer
KR> wheel pants
My axles came already dirlled an tapped. There is no reason why you can not do it. The end of the axle where it is drilled and tapped is not a stress factor area. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flyk...@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html - Original Message - From: > > Are you guys drilling and tapping the axle on the main gear to except a screw to secure the wheel pants? >
KR> wheel pants
You don't actually NEED a hole anywhere on the axle, depending on what kind of wheel pants you have. Many wheel pants are split either vertically or horizontally, and fit together. If they're not split, you can split them and add a joggle to reattach the halves. Then you sandwich a piece of .090 aluminum between axle and gear leg, maybe 4" tall and 8" long, extending front and rear, and use that piece of aluminum to attach one half (or maybe even both), and the other half attaches to the first half. That's one way, anyway. I'm sure somebody has some photos somewhere. I haven't done it yet, but mine will be split. Split wheel pants allow you to more fully enclose the tire for better aerodynamics. The threaded hole in the axle would certainly help stabilize things though. Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford email to N56ML "at" hiwaay.net --
KR> wheel pants
Just a side not on wheel pants. There have been some recent nose overs on nosedragger RVs landing on grass field where the nose wheel "squished" on landing and rubbed the cutout of the nose wheel pants. This caused the wheel to stop turning causing a lockup and subsequent loss of control...just food for thought. Dana Overall 1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host Richmond, KY i39 RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic" Finish kit 13B Rotary. Hangar flying my Dynon. http://rvflying.tripod.com/aero1.jpg http://rvflying.tripod.com/aero3.jpg http://rvflying.tripod.com/blackrudder.jpg do not archive >From: "Mark Langford" >Reply-To: KRnet >To: "KRnet" >Subject: Re: KR> wheel pants Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 19:18:12 -0600 > >You don't actually NEED a hole anywhere on the axle, depending on what kind >of wheel pants you have. Many wheel pants are split either vertically or >horizontally, and fit together. If they're not split, you can split them >and add a joggle to reattach the halves. Then you sandwich a piece of .090 >aluminum between axle and gear leg, maybe 4" tall and 8" long, extending >front and rear, and use that piece of aluminum to attach one half (or maybe >even both), and the other half attaches to the first half. That's one way, >anyway. I'm sure somebody has some photos somewhere. I haven't done it >yet, but mine will be split. Split wheel pants allow you to more fully >enclose the tire for better aerodynamics. The threaded hole in the axle >would certainly help stabilize things though. > >Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama >see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford >email to N56ML "at" hiwaay.net >-- > > >___ >Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp >to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net >please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html
KR> Wheel Pants
I've completed the molds to make my wheel pants. As Mark has said, they will look like dolphins under the wings. And I made them that way on porpoise. Should a liner be placed inside around the wheel to keep the pants from filling with debris or water? Is 1/2 inch clearance on the tire sufficient? Jim Vance va...@claflinwildcats.com
KR> Wheel Pants
>Should a liner be placed inside around the wheel to keep the pants from filling with debris or water? >Jim Vance + I'd say no. The tighter the space around the wheel the easier it will be for it to pack with mud, snow, etc. Water? How tight is the opening around your tire? Many wheel pants such as Cessna, Piper, have a mud scraper built into the pant on the backside of the tire to cut down the amount of mud that gets in but that probably isn't necessary on the KR. Clearance? Generally speaking, the tighter the better. Just realize that in the case of a flat you may get some pant damage. Larry Flesner
KR> Wheel Pants
The baffles, front and back, do keep mud, snow, stones, dirt, etc. from accumulating in the front and back of the wheel pant. Another important function is to limit circulation of air around the wheel for better streamline air flow at the opening. You can get so carried away with the tight fit that you limit the cooling air for the brakes. One-half inch is a practical limit. Make sure there are no shelf areas inside the pant that could accumulate debris. The baffles also strengthen the sidewalls, so you can build the pants lighter. Be sure to leave room for the mounting bracket when you install the baffle. A drain vent at the bottom is needed if the compartment will be sealed (one of those altitude things to keep in mind). Sid Wood, Tri-gear KR-2 N6242 Mechanicsville, MD USA sidney.w...@titan.com >Should a liner be placed inside around the wheel to keep the pants from filling with debris or water? >Jim Vance + I'd say no. The tighter the space around the wheel the easier it will be for it to pack with mud, snow, etc. Water? How tight is the opening around your tire? Many wheel pants such as Cessna, Piper, have a mud scraper built into the pant on the backside of the tire to cut down the amount of mud that gets in but that probably isn't necessary on the KR. Clearance? Generally speaking, the tighter the better. Just realize that in the case of a flat you may get some pant damage. Larry Flesner
KR> Wheel Pants
Has anyone ever heard from the person at last year's gathering who brought wheel pants that he was making and said that he would make the mold available or make pants for sale? "There is a time for building and a time for flying, and the time for building has long since expired." See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering
KR> Wheel Pants
Dan Check Mark Langford's photos from the Gathering. I think there was a photo of him there with his name. Joe On Fri, 9 Jul 2004 16:57:33 -0400 (Eastern Standard Time) "Dan Heath" writes: > Has anyone ever heard from the person at last year's gathering who > brought > wheel pants that he was making and said that he would make the mold > available or make pants for sale? > > "There is a time for building and a time for flying, and the time > for > building has long since expired." > > See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics > > Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC > > See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering > > > > > ___ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > Joe Horton joe.kr2s.buil...@juno.com
KR> Wheel Pants
That would be Sid Wood. You can email at the link below. smw...@titan.com Bud Midkiff - Original Message - From: "Dan Heath" To: Sent: Friday, July 09, 2004 1:57 PM Subject: Re: KR> Wheel Pants > Has anyone ever heard from the person at last year's gathering who brought > wheel pants that he was making and said that he would make the mold > available or make pants for sale? > > "There is a time for building and a time for flying, and the time for > building has long since expired." > > See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics > > Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC > > See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering > > > > > ___ > to UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html >
KR>wheel pants and CG
The tires for my KR are Lamb 4.00 X 5 - 8 Ply. I am going to be flipping the plane over to build up stub wings and fairings. There was a man at the Gathering that had a mold and wheel pants. Does anybody know if they will be available and if they fit my tire? Or are there other pants out there that will work well with my set up? Does anybody make a tailwheel pant and is it going overboard to install one? On the CG issue, I plan to have my aft cg adjusted for 4 gallons in header, full baggage and one 200 passenger. I believe that when the plane is empty the CG should be just forward of the forward limit and then on the forward limit with pilot (necessary equipment) and full header - empty wing tanks. I have flown my previous KR on the aft limit - two people, and baggage - and it did make it more difficult on landings. I increased my approach spped by 5-10 mph to allow for better and smoother control - always wheel landing it. I believe if I could have done some changes I would have moved my battery up into the engine compartment and it would have flown a bit better at gross. Since my Corvair may be a tad heavier than the Turbo Revemaster ( by only a few pounds) I should balance out well with the 2S. My elevator is 6" wider and should provide more stability if I fly with a more nose heavy CG.We will know soon Happy building... Bill
KR>wheel pants and CG
I saw the wheel fairing display. There is a picture on the 2003 Gathering site. I made my own wheel fairings from my molds. These are different from those at the Gathering. Mine are 35 inches long and fit close around the Lamb 4.00 X 5 tires on my KR-2 with minimal frontal area. I can make more of these fairing as I still have the molds. Regards, Sid Wood, KR-2 N6242, smw...@olg.com -Original Message- From: William Clapp [mailto:clapps...@cybersouth.com] Sent: Sun 10/12/2003 11:32 PM To: KR builders and pilots Cc: Subject: KR>wheel pants and CG The tires for my KR are Lamb 4.00 X 5 - 8 Ply. I am going to be flipping the plane over to build up stub wings and fairings. There was a man at the Gathering that had a mold and wheel pants. Does anybody know if they will be available and if they fit my tire? Or are there other pants out there that will work well with my set up? Does anybody make a tailwheel pant and is it going overboard to install one? Bill ___ see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 4306 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mylist.net/private/krnet/attachments/20031013/7f57fa1c/attachment.bin
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John Backer made the pants according to the gathering photos. If he is on the list or anyone has contact info I may interrested in buying a set also. -Original Message- From: William Clapp Sent: Oct 12, 2003 11:32 PM To: KR builders and pilots Subject: KR>wheel pants and CG The tires for my KR are Lamb 4.00 X 5 - 8 Ply. I am going to be flipping the plane over to build up stub wings and fairings. There was a man at the Gathering that had a mold and wheel pants. Does anybody know if they will be available and if they fit my tire? Or are there other pants out there that will work well with my set up? Does anybody make a tailwheel pant and is it going overboard to install one? On the CG issue, I plan to have my aft cg adjusted for 4 gallons in header, full baggage and one 200 passenger. I believe that when the plane is empty the CG should be just forward of the forward limit and then on the forward limit with pilot (necessary equipment) and full header - empty wing tanks. I have flown my previous KR on the aft limit - two people, and baggage - and it did make it more difficult on landings. I increased my approach spped by 5-10 mph to allow for better and smoother control - always wheel landing it. I believe if I could have done some changes I would have moved my battery up into the engine compartment and it would have flown a bit better at gross. Since my Corvair may be a tad heavier than the Turbo Revemaster ( by only a few pounds) I should balance out well with the 2S. My elevator is 6" wider and should provide more stability if I fly with a more nose heavy CG.We will know soon Happy building... Bill ___ see KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html
KR>wheel pants and CG
John Backer's e-mail address is jsbac...@yahoo.com Ed Janssen mailto:ejans...@chipsnet.com - Original Message - From: "Brian Kraut" To: "KR builders and pilots" Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 12:48 PM Subject: Re: KR>wheel pants and CG > John Backer made the pants according to the gathering photos. If he is on the list or anyone has contact info I may interrested in buying a set also.
