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Netters, One misconception is that there are not any regs beyond the FAR/AIM for pilots. Most things concerning equipment and installation methods, acceptable parts, and construction methods are not found in the FAR/AIM, but rather in the FAR/AMT book. This is what the A&Ps use, along with appropriate ACs. Art I don't know who told you that ACs are just advisory and not regulatory, but they are wrong. If the AC further explains a regulation and adds details to that reg, then the information contained is regulatory, and must also be complied with. There are ACs that just inform and ACs that are regulatory. You have to read them to find which it is. The Airplane Flying Handbook is just one example of an AC that started out small and grew, and is regulatory because all of the procedures spelled out there are what the Practical Test Standard is derived from. The AC on pilot endorsements, and the one on the Pilot Proficiency "WINGS" Program are both regulatory. So there are both. Be careful, you may think information it is optional when it is not. Lastly, often times the Airman's Information Manual is taught as being advisory not regs. Yet the Section on communications as an example, is regs, just explained there. Try not to make over generalizations. The FAA will surprise you every time. Colin & Bev Rainey KR2(td) N96TA Sanford, FL crain...@cfl.rr.com or crbrn9...@hotmail.com http://kr-builder.org/Colin/index.html
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Dan & netters, The information you are sharing is what is typical of the regs and the way that things are published by the FAA. Often times the wording will be in order to act as Pilot in Command, you do or do not need something. However, to BE actual Pilot in Command you must have this or that. The technicality being that in one case you are performing the duties of Pilot in Command, so you can log it and so forth. However, someone else was actually PIC, like a flight instructor. You are logging experience as PIC but the actual PIC of the flight is the instructor. You don't have to have a pilot's license to fly an experimental, but to carry passengers minimum Private Pilot's License. You don't have to have a taildragger endorsement to fly a conventional geared experimental, but if during certification the inspector requires those remarks be in your POH, than you can ACT as PIC as long as someone is PIC. But you cannot be the PIC, unless endorsed or rated. The FAA cannot ground an airplane according to the regs and Inspectors. However, they can tag a plane as having un-airworthy conditions, and if you fly that plane they can violate you. But they did not ground the plane, only a PIC can. It seems like talking out of both sides of your face, but that is why it can be difficult to interpret the regs because in one place it states you can, but somewhere else it says that you cannot. I believe that the reason they did this is to allow someone to log PIC time that is rated in the Class of airplane, but not that particular type or model, so that they could act as PIC for the purposes of experience giving credit for who was actually doing the flying, yet the person was not signed off or rated so they could not rent or buy the plane and legally go fly by themselves or with passengers. Colin & Bev Rainey KR2(td) N96TA Sanford, FL crain...@cfl.rr.com or crbrn9...@hotmail.com http://kr-builder.org/Colin/index.html
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In a message dated 1/12/2004 4:04:51 PM Pacific Standard Time, crain...@cfl.rr.com writes: You don't have to have a pilot's license to fly an experimental, but to carry passengers minimum Private Pilot's License. Colin, You had better check the FAR's on that one again! Chris Theroux Gilbert, Az
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According to EAA: DOES A PERSON HAVE TO BE A LICENSED PILOT TO FLY THESE AIRPLANES? Yes. Pilots of Amateur-Built/Homebuilt aircraft must earn and maintain the same Federal pilot training and ratings as those who fly production aircraft (such as Cessnas, Pipers and Beechcrafts). They also must follow all appropriate federal regulations during each of their flights. FAR 61.31 (k) (2) The rating limitations of this section do not apply to- (iii) The holder of a pilot certificate when operating an aircraft under the authority of an experimental or provisional aircraft type certificate. So if you choose to, you can operate any aircraft, in any configuration, whether high performance, taildragger, multi-engine, turbojet powered, aircraft requiring type rating, or complex aircraft if it has an experimental airworthiness designation. Therefore, one must have at least a Recreational Pilot License operated under 61.101(h), or Private Pilot License or higher certificate. As with certified aircraft, you are required to have a copy of the operating manual & limitations, registration and airworthiness certificate, and current weight & balance, in the aircraft at all times while flights are conducted, and operate that aircraft according to Part 91 regs where applicable, and by the operating limits imposed or stated in the aircraft's Operating Manual. Ultralights & Light Sport Aircraft are governed by different regs and so these statements do not apply to them. Hope this clarifies things for everyone. And I did re-check things Chris, thanks for pointing it out to me! :o) Colin & Bev Rainey KR2(td) N96TA Sanford, FL crain...@cfl.rr.com or crbrn9...@hotmail.com http://kr-builder.org/Colin/index.html
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colin I never said they didnt! You did! Chris Theroux Gilbert, AZ
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Please under line where he said that. I can't find it. bobby - Original Message - From: To: Sent: Monday, January 12, 2004 7:11 PM Subject: Re: KR>Regs > colin > > > I never said they didnt! You did! > > Chris Theroux > Gilbert, AZ > ___ > to UNSUBSCRIBE from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html
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In a message dated 1/12/2004 4:04:51 PM Pacific Standard Time, crain...@cfl.rr.com writes: I dont know Who Wrote this but it is not right! Dan & netters, The information you are sharing is what is typical of the regs and the way that things are published by the FAA. Often times the wording will be in order to act as Pilot in Command, you do or do not need something. However, to BE actual Pilot in Command you must have this or that. The technicality being that in one case you are performing the duties of Pilot in Command, so you can log it and so forth. However, someone else was actually PIC, like a flight instructor. You are logging experience as PIC but the actual PIC of the flight is the instructor. You don't have to have a pilot's license to fly an experimental, but to carry passengers minimum Private Pilot's License. You don't have to have a taildragger endorsement to fly a conventional geared experimental, but if during certification the inspector requires those remarks be in your POH, than you can ACT as PIC as long as someone is PIC. But you cannot be the PIC, unless endorsed or rated. The FAA cannot ground an airplane according to the regs and Inspectors Chris Theroux Gilbert Az
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If I started this thing with the regs, I TAKE IT BACK. If the regs are that ambiguous, we should all do what we think is right and move on. I promise, I won't do it again. Until the next time. See N64KR at http://KR-Builder.org - Then click on the pics Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC da...@kr-builder.org See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering See our EAA Chapter 242 at http://EAA242.org
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First Chris you pointed out to me that I mis-stated not having to have any license to fly experimental solo, so I posted the statement from EAA and gave you credit for pointing that out to me. Secondly: call your local FSDO and talk to an airworthiness inspector and they will tell you since the PIC of any aircraft is the only person who can ground the aircraft, even the inspector cannot actually ground it. In a technical way he does, because he tags it as inspected and having airworthiness discrepancies. But it does not say it is grounded, and the pilot could take that aircraft if he wanted to, but the inspector is almost garunteed to violate him for flying an unairworthy aircraft. I was Asst. Chief Pilot for a major flight school for 2 years and walked through many ramp inspections that were performed routinely. Every one needs to understand that different procedures and regs govern the progressive style maintenance performed on airliners and large fleet type aircraft, than on general aviation aircraft we fly. Third: If you read the exceptions in (k) it clearly states that the rating limitations imposed by this section, meaning the whole 61.31 reg section, do not apply to an aircraft operating under an experimental airworthiness certificate. However, as Bria pointed out, and I stated in an earlier post, if the inspector makes additional statements of standard, like the ones of appropriate category & class rating, endorsements etc.. as long as those are a part of that aircraft's operating manual that is what the PIC must ahve to fly that particular aircraft. Fourth: The inspector having the ability to add such requirements into the operating leads me to believe that he probably would on a standard multi-engine experimental, especially on anything turbojet powered, etc.. even though the 61.31 section clearly provides exception to it. For us it is simple. Get at least a Private Pilot's license and you are golden, then just do what is common sense and be safe. Colin & Bev Rainey KR2(td) N96TA Sanford, FL crain...@cfl.rr.com or crbrn9...@hotmail.com http://kr-builder.org/Colin/index.html
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Thank you Dana, Colin & Bev Rainey KR2(td) N96TA Sanford, FL crain...@cfl.rr.com or crbrn9...@hotmail.com http://kr-builder.org/Colin/index.html
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Colin, The only thing I've questioned is the statment about flying an expermintal with out a PPL. All of the other stuff you wrote I hardy read. Not enough to comment on it anyway! So, as far as tail wheel endorsement my guess is that you would have to have it even for an experimental but I cant say for sure I would have to dig in the FAR's. Chris Theroux Gilbert, Az
