Re: KRnet> Kr parts

[G R Pickett via KRnet]

William,

Well, when it comes to airframe parts, I think the supply end has vanished with 
the demise of nVAero.  I understood that he had all or most of the molds for 
fiberglass parts.  For hardware parts that are hard to come by (Gear Fittings, 
Engine mounts, axle castings, etc.), he had the suppliers that would still 
manufacture them in his database.  Many of them have minimum orders that are no 
longer obtainable.  Gear legs are one of the items that are really hard to come 
by: Grumman gear legs - before drilling - were planed down thinner and cut to a 
different shape.  Some KR builders have actually laminated their own gear legs.

The gear leg castings that fit on the spar can be welded up pretty easily from 
aluminum or steel plate (check the archives for plans), and likewise with axle 
fittings on the other end of the gear legs.

The critical castings and other VW parts are available for the most part from 
Hummel Engines: the Diehl accessory case he makes to same dimensions, and can 
also supply starters, alternators, carburetors and mags.

The nose gear strut for tri-gear was problematic to fabricate correctly.  
Substitutes resembling those found on the RV-12, use a straight strut; just 
needs to be ‘refined’ a bit to work on a KR.
Same with the nose gear forks.

All the control horns, bell cranks, wing attach fittings, and other small parts 
are simple to fabricate in virtually everyone’s shop.

Griff Pickett



From: KRnet  On Behalf Of William Walsh via KRnet

Subject: Re: KRnet> Kr parts

Guess I should have asked differently. I’m not looking for parts at the moment. 
I was just wandering if they are still in business for future needs and who 
would I contact?

William

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Re: KRnet> Kr parts

[William Walsh via KRnet]

Guess I should have asked differently. I’m not looking for parts at the
moment. I was just wandering if they are still in business for future needs
and who would I contact?

Thanks guys
William

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> I have his gear legs, mounting brackets, and wing skins.
>
> Jim
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> On Thursday, June 5, 2025, 8:09 PM, Phillip Matheson via KRnet <
> krnet@list.krnet.org> wrote:
>
> I have some left over parts.
> - Main gear legs and mount brackets
> -Nose leg x2 - and rim and tyre
> - I think nose fork
> But in Australia
> Phil.
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> guy navigate the Internet to get in touch Or a contact name and phone
> number.
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Re: KRnet> Kr parts

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I have his gear legs, mounting brackets, and wing skins. 
Jim 


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 wrote:

I have some left over parts. 
- Main gear legs and mount brackets 
-Nose leg x2 - and rim and tyre
- I think nose fork 
But in Australia 
Phil. 
Sent from my iPhone

> On 6 Jun 2025, at 11:27, William Walsh via KRnet  wrote:
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> Is anybody still producing components for the KR’s? And where would  a guy 
> navigate the Internet to get in touch Or a contact name and phone number. 
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> Thanks 
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Re: KRnet> Kr parts

[joemalsack]

William,
I have a kit with canopy in boat stage, Diehl wings not closed out.
Joe. From: "William Walsh via KRnet"  Reply-To: "KRnet"  To: "KRnet"  Cc: "William Walsh"  Sent: June 5, 2025 at 8:27 PM CDT Subject: KRnet> Kr parts Is anybody still producing components for the KR’s? And where would  a guy navigate the Internet to get in touch Or a contact name and phone number. 
 
Thanks 
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Re: KRnet> Kr parts

[Phillip Matheson via KRnet]

I have some left over parts. 
- Main gear legs and mount brackets 
-Nose leg x2 - and rim and tyre
- I think nose fork 
But in Australia 
Phil. 
Sent from my iPhone

> On 6 Jun 2025, at 11:27, William Walsh via KRnet  wrote:
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> Is anybody still producing components for the KR’s? And where would  a guy 
> navigate the Internet to get in touch Or a contact name and phone number. 
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Re: KRnet> KR parts from Lawn & garden?!

[Michael Quinn via KRnet]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rk-O9RTHicE&ab_channel=DaveG78
[https://i.ytimg.com/vi/rk-O9RTHicE/hqdefault.jpg]<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rk-O9RTHicE&ab_channel=DaveG78>
Mr Wint and Mr Kidd - "If God Had Wanted Man To 
Fly"<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rk-O9RTHicE&ab_channel=DaveG78>
Mr Wint and Mr Kidd kill a diamond smuggler, blow-up a helicopter, then walk 
off holding hands.
www.youtube.com


From: KRnet  on behalf of Luis Claudio via KRnet 

Sent: Thursday, July 7, 2022 10:38 PM
To: krnet@list.krnet.org 
Cc: Luis Claudio 
Subject: Re: KRnet> KR parts from Lawn & garden?!

I know of a crap load of airplanes with a full complement of mags and they go 
down too... If you fly, there is the chance of a malfunction, and yet we fly.

On Thursday, July 7, 2022 at 08:07:47 PM CDT, victor taylor via KRnet 
 wrote:


Hey Luis,

At Velocity we still keep one magneto on all our aircraft. I had dinner with a 
Velocity owner who had dual batteries, dual alternators and dual electronic 
ignition. I suggested that he have one magneto and he said absolutely not and 
went on to say that there was no way both systems could fail at once. Four 
months later he and his wife were coming out of Kissimmee Florida and both 
systems failed within a minute of each other. It totaled the aircraft and put 
them both in the hospital for over three months each. He is now building 
another Velocity that will have one mag and one electronic ignition.
Your system is unlikely to fail but it’s not impossible. Magnetos are 
definitely old technology and way less efficient. But time has proven that dual 
mags are highly reliable.
At the end of the day we are flying home made wooden aircraft with automotive 
based engines on many of them. It’s relatively safe but not quiet as safe as a 
certified aircraft with that 60 year old technology. How much “experimental” we 
want to fly our families in is what it all boils down to.

Victor Taylor CFII


On Jul 7, 2022, at 19:09, Tony King via KRnet  wrote:


In addition to all the points Luis has made, pretty much every car on the road 
today has electronic ignition, with far less redundancy than Luis has outlined, 
yet ignition failures are quite rare given the number of units in operation.  
Whilst there may be more complexity, the reliability of electronic systems is 
in a whole different ball park to mechanical systems.  Of course the failure 
modes are different too, and regardless of which system(s) one chooses it's 
essential to understand and address how they might let you down.

TK

On Fri, 8 Jul 2022 at 09:21, Luis Claudio via KRnet 
mailto:krnet@list.krnet.org>> wrote:
Dr. HSU, oh ye of little faith... I do suggest you look into the "SDS CP1 
electronic ignition systems". It means that I have dual independent power 
sources for controlling each independent timing computer with automatic 
customization for RPM and load (manifold pressure). The computer monitors my 
manifold pressure and smooths out the engine timing to give you the best engine 
performance on your climb or cruise. You are always one set of points or 
capacitor failure before your engine goes to hades... (you know "Hell")...

Consider this"
1. The engine timing with an electronic ignition system does not drift from the 
setpoint since there is no mechanical wear and tear
2. Each independent computer controls an independent bank of spark plugs (4 
upper and 4 lower)
3. You can customize the power curve so as you climb, the computer compensates 
by adjusting your engine's timing for the best performance.
4. Two completely independent batteries, one acting as primary, and the other 
as backup.
5. No mandatory 500 hr overhaul
6. No moving parts in the whole system... none
7. Each computer is capable of advancing or retarding the timing of your engine 
for best economy or to prevent detonation based on manifold pressure.
8. Lean of peak adjustments extracts all possible energy from the fuel, picking 
up a few extra knots which are lost running leaner mixtures.
9. Low current draw, long spark duration, 4 cylinder coil pack and controller 
draw about 1.2 amps at 2500 RPM.

and there you have it...

Luis


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Re: KRnet> KR parts from Lawn & garden?!

[Dr. Feng Hsu via KRnet]

Well said Chris, and I definitely love your spirit of taking risk for
something we love in life! I am a risk taker myself as well, believe me!
Sorry that my posts did sound a bit too "negative" to you, but I didn't
really intend to say anything "negative", as I was partly making a joke
with Luis and partly trying to explore some "secret" on how folks can build
reliable and safe KR2 at affordable costs...!

Yes, I had to confess that several tragic events have happened to people so
close to me in the past 8 month or so, and my perception on safety of some
of the "experimental" aircraft has been impacted negatively indeed. So, I
guess this has affected my posts in a different tone somehow in the deepest
bottom of my subconscious, unfortunately

best of luck!

Dr. Hsu

On Thu, Jul 7, 2022, 11:36 PM Chris Pryce  wrote:

> I hate to be that guy but I have to ask the question after seeing multiple
> negative posts: Do you have a flying KR or even a flying airplane at all?
> All I've seen the past couple of days is negative commentary.
>
> I've flown 200 hours in a little over two years with Lowes lawn and garden
> parts, no magnetos and no issues. We are here to experiment with our
> experimentals. There is always risk. If you don't accept any risk you will
> never fly. We all make the decision of what is our personal level of risk
> and operate accordingly. Can I crash and die? Yes. Could I die driving on
> my way to work? Yes. Personally, I'd rather go in a blaze of glory doing
> something I love.
>
> Keep on building, love the process, and enjoy the fruits of your labor.
>
> Chris Pryce
> Vacaville, CA
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 7, 2022, 21:12 Dr. Feng Hsu via KRnet 
> wrote:
>
>> hey Victor & Luis,
>>
>> That's what would happen to us if redundant systems are made of the same
>> component with identical design! In highly sophisticated engineering
>> system, one should never say "that's impossible or unlikely to happen". I
>> understand all the pros for the Electronic ignition system that Luis
>> listed, however I would not feel confident if the two redundant Electronic
>> ignition modules are identical component. Yes, two independent power supply
>> with separate batteries do contribute on risk reduction, but that might be
>> not good enough to offset the "CCF" (common cause or common mode failures)
>> contribution to risk of losing the system during flight
>>
>> Do you have some test or reliability data on the SDS CP1 module from the
>> vendor? I will feel better if the failure rate is in the range below 1E-4?!
>>
>> Best of luck!
>>
>> Dr. Hsu
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 7, 2022, 8:08 PM victor taylor via KRnet <
>> krnet@list.krnet.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Hey Luis,
>>>
>>> At Velocity we still keep one magneto on all our aircraft. I had dinner
>>> with a Velocity owner who had dual batteries, dual alternators and dual
>>> electronic ignition. I suggested that he have one magneto and he said
>>> absolutely not and went on to say that there was no way both systems could
>>> fail at once. Four months later he and his wife were coming out of
>>> Kissimmee Florida and both systems failed within a minute of each other. It
>>> totaled the aircraft and put them both in the hospital for over three
>>> months each. He is now building another Velocity that will have one mag and
>>> one electronic ignition.
>>> Your system is unlikely to fail but it’s not impossible. Magnetos are
>>> definitely old technology and way less efficient. But time has proven that
>>> dual mags are highly reliable.
>>> At the end of the day we are flying home made wooden aircraft with
>>> automotive based engines on many of them. It’s relatively safe but not
>>> quiet as safe as a certified aircraft with that 60 year old technology. How
>>> much “experimental” we want to fly our families in is what it all boils
>>> down to.
>>>
>>> Victor Taylor CFII
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jul 7, 2022, at 19:09, Tony King via KRnet 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>> In addition to all the points Luis has made, pretty much every car on
>>> the road today has electronic ignition, with far less redundancy than Luis
>>> has outlined, yet ignition failures are quite rare given the number of
>>> units in operation.  Whilst there may be more complexity, the reliability
>>> of electronic systems is in a whole different ball park to mechanical
>>> systems.  Of course the failure modes are different too, and regardless of
>>> which system(s) one chooses it's essential to understand and address how
>>> they might let you down.
>>>
>>> TK
>>>
>>> On Fri, 8 Jul 2022 at 09:21, Luis Claudio via KRnet <
>>> krnet@list.krnet.org> wrote:
>>>
 Dr. HSU, oh ye of little faith... I do suggest you look into the "SDS
 CP1 electronic ignition systems". It means that I have dual
 independent power sources for controlling each independent timing computer 
 with
 automatic customization for RPM and load (manifold pressure). The computer
 monitors my manifold pressure and smooths out the eng

Re: KRnet> KR parts from Lawn & garden?!

[Luis Claudio via KRnet]

 My thoughts exactly Chris... If I go, I want to go in a blaze of Glory... 
having survived Vietnam...  I am on borrowed time anyway... but to Dr. Hsu's 
question on reliability, here is what I know... Racetech/SDS has been selling 
EIs to the aviation market since 1997  The factory claims that One ECU 
(computer module) on a test bench ran for over 145,000 hours continuously with 
no problems. Unmatched reliability is proven in over 20 million hours and 
850,000 flight hours using their units worldwide... I think I made a good 
choice for my KR's ignition. 
On Thursday, July 7, 2022 at 11:36:58 PM CDT, Chris Pryce via KRnet 
 wrote:  
 
 I hate to be that guy but I have to ask the question after seeing multiple 
negative posts: Do you have a flying KR or even a flying airplane at all? All 
I've seen the past couple of days is negative commentary. 
I've flown 200 hours in a little over two years with Lowes lawn and garden 
parts, no magnetos and no issues. We are here to experiment with our 
experimentals. There is always risk. If you don't accept any risk you will 
never fly. We all make the decision of what is our personal level of risk and 
operate accordingly. Can I crash and die? Yes. Could I die driving on my way to 
work? Yes. Personally, I'd rather go in a blaze of glory doing something I 
love. 
Keep on building, love the process, and enjoy the fruits of your labor.
Chris PryceVacaville, CA

On Thu, Jul 7, 2022, 21:12 Dr. Feng Hsu via KRnet  wrote:

hey Victor & Luis,
That's what would happen to us if redundant systems are made of the same 
component with identical design! In highly sophisticated engineering system, 
one should never say "that's impossible or unlikely to happen". I understand 
all the pros for the Electronic ignition system that Luis listed, however I 
would not feel confident if the two redundant Electronic ignition modules are 
identical component. Yes, two independent power supply with separate batteries 
do contribute on risk reduction, but that might be not good enough to offset 
the "CCF" (common cause or common mode failures) contribution to risk of losing 
the system during flight
Do you have some test or reliability data on the SDS CP1 module from the 
vendor? I will feel better if the failure rate is in the range below 1E-4?!
Best of luck!
Dr. Hsu

On Thu, Jul 7, 2022, 8:08 PM victor taylor via KRnet  
wrote:

Hey Luis,
At Velocity we still keep one magneto on all our aircraft. I had dinner with a 
Velocity owner who had dual batteries, dual alternators and dual electronic 
ignition. I suggested that he have one magneto and he said absolutely not and 
went on to say that there was no way both systems could fail at once. Four 
months later he and his wife were coming out of Kissimmee Florida and both 
systems failed within a minute of each other. It totaled the aircraft and put 
them both in the hospital for over three months each. He is now building 
another Velocity that will have one mag and one electronic ignition. Your 
system is unlikely to fail but it’s not impossible. Magnetos are definitely old 
technology and way less efficient. But time has proven that dual mags are 
highly reliable. At the end of the day we are flying home made wooden aircraft 
with automotive based engines on many of them. It’s relatively safe but not 
quiet as safe as a certified aircraft with that 60 year old technology. How 
much “experimental” we want to fly our families in is what it all boils down 
to. 

Victor Taylor CFII


On Jul 7, 2022, at 19:09, Tony King via KRnet  wrote:



In addition to all the points Luis has made, pretty much every car on the road 
today has electronic ignition, with far less redundancy than Luis has outlined, 
yet ignition failures are quite rare given the number of units in operation.  
Whilst there may be more complexity, the reliability of electronic systems is 
in a whole different ball park to mechanical systems.  Of course the failure 
modes are different too, and regardless of which system(s) one chooses it's 
essential to understand and address how they might let you down.
TK
On Fri, 8 Jul 2022 at 09:21, Luis Claudio via KRnet  
wrote:

 Dr. HSU, oh ye of little faith... I do suggest you look into the "SDS CP1 
electronic ignition systems". It means that I have dual independent power 
sources for controlling each independent timing computer with automatic 
customization for RPM and load (manifold pressure). The computer monitors my 
manifold pressure and smooths out the engine timing to give you the best engine 
performance on your climb or cruise. You are always one set of points or 
capacitor failure before your engine goes to hades... (you know "Hell")...
Consider this"1. The engine timing with an electronic ignition system does not 
drift from the setpoint since there is no mechanical wear and tear2. Each 
independent computer controls an independent bank of spark plugs (4 upper and 4 
lower)3. You can customize the power curve so as you

Re: KRnet> KR parts from Lawn & garden?!

[Chris Pryce via KRnet]

I hate to be that guy but I have to ask the question after seeing multiple
negative posts: Do you have a flying KR or even a flying airplane at all?
All I've seen the past couple of days is negative commentary.

I've flown 200 hours in a little over two years with Lowes lawn and garden
parts, no magnetos and no issues. We are here to experiment with our
experimentals. There is always risk. If you don't accept any risk you will
never fly. We all make the decision of what is our personal level of risk
and operate accordingly. Can I crash and die? Yes. Could I die driving on
my way to work? Yes. Personally, I'd rather go in a blaze of glory doing
something I love.

Keep on building, love the process, and enjoy the fruits of your labor.

Chris Pryce
Vacaville, CA


On Thu, Jul 7, 2022, 21:12 Dr. Feng Hsu via KRnet 
wrote:

> hey Victor & Luis,
>
> That's what would happen to us if redundant systems are made of the same
> component with identical design! In highly sophisticated engineering
> system, one should never say "that's impossible or unlikely to happen". I
> understand all the pros for the Electronic ignition system that Luis
> listed, however I would not feel confident if the two redundant Electronic
> ignition modules are identical component. Yes, two independent power supply
> with separate batteries do contribute on risk reduction, but that might be
> not good enough to offset the "CCF" (common cause or common mode failures)
> contribution to risk of losing the system during flight
>
> Do you have some test or reliability data on the SDS CP1 module from the
> vendor? I will feel better if the failure rate is in the range below 1E-4?!
>
> Best of luck!
>
> Dr. Hsu
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 7, 2022, 8:08 PM victor taylor via KRnet 
> wrote:
>
>> Hey Luis,
>>
>> At Velocity we still keep one magneto on all our aircraft. I had dinner
>> with a Velocity owner who had dual batteries, dual alternators and dual
>> electronic ignition. I suggested that he have one magneto and he said
>> absolutely not and went on to say that there was no way both systems could
>> fail at once. Four months later he and his wife were coming out of
>> Kissimmee Florida and both systems failed within a minute of each other. It
>> totaled the aircraft and put them both in the hospital for over three
>> months each. He is now building another Velocity that will have one mag and
>> one electronic ignition.
>> Your system is unlikely to fail but it’s not impossible. Magnetos are
>> definitely old technology and way less efficient. But time has proven that
>> dual mags are highly reliable.
>> At the end of the day we are flying home made wooden aircraft with
>> automotive based engines on many of them. It’s relatively safe but not
>> quiet as safe as a certified aircraft with that 60 year old technology. How
>> much “experimental” we want to fly our families in is what it all boils
>> down to.
>>
>> Victor Taylor CFII
>>
>>
>> On Jul 7, 2022, at 19:09, Tony King via KRnet 
>> wrote:
>>
>> 
>> In addition to all the points Luis has made, pretty much every car on the
>> road today has electronic ignition, with far less redundancy than Luis has
>> outlined, yet ignition failures are quite rare given the number of units in
>> operation.  Whilst there may be more complexity, the reliability of
>> electronic systems is in a whole different ball park to mechanical
>> systems.  Of course the failure modes are different too, and regardless of
>> which system(s) one chooses it's essential to understand and address how
>> they might let you down.
>>
>> TK
>>
>> On Fri, 8 Jul 2022 at 09:21, Luis Claudio via KRnet 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Dr. HSU, oh ye of little faith... I do suggest you look into the "SDS
>>> CP1 electronic ignition systems". It means that I have dual independent
>>> power sources for controlling each independent timing computer with
>>> automatic customization for RPM and load (manifold pressure). The computer
>>> monitors my manifold pressure and smooths out the engine timing to give you
>>> the best engine performance on your climb or cruise. You are always one set
>>> of points or capacitor failure before your engine goes to hades... (you
>>> know "Hell")...
>>>
>>> Consider this"
>>> 1. The engine timing with an electronic ignition system does not drift
>>> from the setpoint since there is no mechanical wear and tear
>>> 2. Each independent computer controls an independent bank of spark plugs
>>> (4 upper and 4 lower)
>>> 3. You can customize the power curve so as you climb, the computer
>>> compensates by adjusting your engine's timing for the best performance.
>>> 4. Two completely independent batteries, one acting as primary, and the
>>> other as backup.
>>> 5. No mandatory 500 hr overhaul
>>> 6. No moving parts in the whole system... none
>>> 7. Each computer is capable of advancing or retarding the timing of your
>>> engine for best economy or to prevent detonation based on manifold
>>> pressure.
>>> 8. Lean of peak adjustments

Re: KRnet> KR parts from Lawn & garden?!

[Dr. Feng Hsu via KRnet]

hey Victor & Luis,

That's what would happen to us if redundant systems are made of the same
component with identical design! In highly sophisticated engineering
system, one should never say "that's impossible or unlikely to happen". I
understand all the pros for the Electronic ignition system that Luis
listed, however I would not feel confident if the two redundant Electronic
ignition modules are identical component. Yes, two independent power supply
with separate batteries do contribute on risk reduction, but that might be
not good enough to offset the "CCF" (common cause or common mode failures)
contribution to risk of losing the system during flight

Do you have some test or reliability data on the SDS CP1 module from the
vendor? I will feel better if the failure rate is in the range below 1E-4?!

Best of luck!

Dr. Hsu


On Thu, Jul 7, 2022, 8:08 PM victor taylor via KRnet 
wrote:

> Hey Luis,
>
> At Velocity we still keep one magneto on all our aircraft. I had dinner
> with a Velocity owner who had dual batteries, dual alternators and dual
> electronic ignition. I suggested that he have one magneto and he said
> absolutely not and went on to say that there was no way both systems could
> fail at once. Four months later he and his wife were coming out of
> Kissimmee Florida and both systems failed within a minute of each other. It
> totaled the aircraft and put them both in the hospital for over three
> months each. He is now building another Velocity that will have one mag and
> one electronic ignition.
> Your system is unlikely to fail but it’s not impossible. Magnetos are
> definitely old technology and way less efficient. But time has proven that
> dual mags are highly reliable.
> At the end of the day we are flying home made wooden aircraft with
> automotive based engines on many of them. It’s relatively safe but not
> quiet as safe as a certified aircraft with that 60 year old technology. How
> much “experimental” we want to fly our families in is what it all boils
> down to.
>
> Victor Taylor CFII
>
>
> On Jul 7, 2022, at 19:09, Tony King via KRnet 
> wrote:
>
> 
> In addition to all the points Luis has made, pretty much every car on the
> road today has electronic ignition, with far less redundancy than Luis has
> outlined, yet ignition failures are quite rare given the number of units in
> operation.  Whilst there may be more complexity, the reliability of
> electronic systems is in a whole different ball park to mechanical
> systems.  Of course the failure modes are different too, and regardless of
> which system(s) one chooses it's essential to understand and address how
> they might let you down.
>
> TK
>
> On Fri, 8 Jul 2022 at 09:21, Luis Claudio via KRnet 
> wrote:
>
>> Dr. HSU, oh ye of little faith... I do suggest you look into the "SDS CP1
>> electronic ignition systems". It means that I have dual independent
>> power sources for controlling each independent timing computer with
>> automatic customization for RPM and load (manifold pressure). The computer
>> monitors my manifold pressure and smooths out the engine timing to give you
>> the best engine performance on your climb or cruise. You are always one set
>> of points or capacitor failure before your engine goes to hades... (you
>> know "Hell")...
>>
>> Consider this"
>> 1. The engine timing with an electronic ignition system does not drift
>> from the setpoint since there is no mechanical wear and tear
>> 2. Each independent computer controls an independent bank of spark plugs
>> (4 upper and 4 lower)
>> 3. You can customize the power curve so as you climb, the computer
>> compensates by adjusting your engine's timing for the best performance.
>> 4. Two completely independent batteries, one acting as primary, and the
>> other as backup.
>> 5. No mandatory 500 hr overhaul
>> 6. No moving parts in the whole system... none
>> 7. Each computer is capable of advancing or retarding the timing of your
>> engine for best economy or to prevent detonation based on manifold
>> pressure.
>> 8. Lean of peak adjustments extracts all possible energy from the fuel,
>> picking up a few extra knots which are lost running leaner mixtures.
>> 9. Low current draw, long spark duration, 4 cylinder coil pack and
>> controller draw about 1.2 amps at 2500 RPM.
>>
>> and there you have it...
>>
>> Luis
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Re: KRnet> KR parts from Lawn & garden?!

[Luis Claudio via KRnet]

 I know of a crap load of airplanes with a full complement of mags and they go 
down too... If you fly, there is the chance of a malfunction, and yet we fly. 
On Thursday, July 7, 2022 at 08:07:47 PM CDT, victor taylor via KRnet 
 wrote:  
 
 Hey Luis,
At Velocity we still keep one magneto on all our aircraft. I had dinner with a 
Velocity owner who had dual batteries, dual alternators and dual electronic 
ignition. I suggested that he have one magneto and he said absolutely not and 
went on to say that there was no way both systems could fail at once. Four 
months later he and his wife were coming out of Kissimmee Florida and both 
systems failed within a minute of each other. It totaled the aircraft and put 
them both in the hospital for over three months each. He is now building 
another Velocity that will have one mag and one electronic ignition. Your 
system is unlikely to fail but it’s not impossible. Magnetos are definitely old 
technology and way less efficient. But time has proven that dual mags are 
highly reliable. At the end of the day we are flying home made wooden aircraft 
with automotive based engines on many of them. It’s relatively safe but not 
quiet as safe as a certified aircraft with that 60 year old technology. How 
much “experimental” we want to fly our families in is what it all boils down 
to. 

Victor Taylor CFII


On Jul 7, 2022, at 19:09, Tony King via KRnet  wrote:



In addition to all the points Luis has made, pretty much every car on the road 
today has electronic ignition, with far less redundancy than Luis has outlined, 
yet ignition failures are quite rare given the number of units in operation.  
Whilst there may be more complexity, the reliability of electronic systems is 
in a whole different ball park to mechanical systems.  Of course the failure 
modes are different too, and regardless of which system(s) one chooses it's 
essential to understand and address how they might let you down.
TK
On Fri, 8 Jul 2022 at 09:21, Luis Claudio via KRnet  
wrote:

 Dr. HSU, oh ye of little faith... I do suggest you look into the "SDS CP1 
electronic ignition systems". It means that I have dual independent power 
sources for controlling each independent timing computer with automatic 
customization for RPM and load (manifold pressure). The computer monitors my 
manifold pressure and smooths out the engine timing to give you the best engine 
performance on your climb or cruise. You are always one set of points or 
capacitor failure before your engine goes to hades... (you know "Hell")...
Consider this"1. The engine timing with an electronic ignition system does not 
drift from the setpoint since there is no mechanical wear and tear2. Each 
independent computer controls an independent bank of spark plugs (4 upper and 4 
lower)3. You can customize the power curve so as you climb, the computer 
compensates by adjusting your engine's timing for the best performance. 4. Two 
completely independent batteries, one acting as primary, and the other as 
backup.5. No mandatory 500 hr overhaul6. No moving parts in the whole system... 
none7. Each computer is capable of advancing or retarding the timing of your 
engine for best economy or to prevent detonation based on manifold pressure. 8. 
Lean of peak adjustments extracts all possible energy from the fuel, picking up 
a few extra knots which are lost running leaner mixtures.9. Low current draw, 
long spark duration, 4 cylinder coil pack and controller draw about 1.2 amps at 
2500 RPM. 

and there you have it...
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Re: KRnet> KR parts from Lawn & garden?!

[victor taylor via KRnet]

Hey Luis,

At Velocity we still keep one magneto on all our aircraft. I had dinner with a 
Velocity owner who had dual batteries, dual alternators and dual electronic 
ignition. I suggested that he have one magneto and he said absolutely not and 
went on to say that there was no way both systems could fail at once. Four 
months later he and his wife were coming out of Kissimmee Florida and both 
systems failed within a minute of each other. It totaled the aircraft and put 
them both in the hospital for over three months each. He is now building 
another Velocity that will have one mag and one electronic ignition. 
Your system is unlikely to fail but it’s not impossible. Magnetos are 
definitely old technology and way less efficient. But time has proven that dual 
mags are highly reliable. 
At the end of the day we are flying home made wooden aircraft with automotive 
based engines on many of them. It’s relatively safe but not quiet as safe as a 
certified aircraft with that 60 year old technology. How much “experimental” we 
want to fly our families in is what it all boils down to. 

Victor Taylor CFII


> On Jul 7, 2022, at 19:09, Tony King via KRnet  wrote:
> 
> 
> In addition to all the points Luis has made, pretty much every car on the 
> road today has electronic ignition, with far less redundancy than Luis has 
> outlined, yet ignition failures are quite rare given the number of units in 
> operation.  Whilst there may be more complexity, the reliability of 
> electronic systems is in a whole different ball park to mechanical systems.  
> Of course the failure modes are different too, and regardless of which 
> system(s) one chooses it's essential to understand and address how they might 
> let you down.
> 
> TK
> 
>> On Fri, 8 Jul 2022 at 09:21, Luis Claudio via KRnet  
>> wrote:
>> Dr. HSU, oh ye of little faith... I do suggest you look into the "SDS CP1 
>> electronic ignition systems". It means that I have dual independent power 
>> sources for controlling each independent timing computer with automatic 
>> customization for RPM and load (manifold pressure). The computer monitors my 
>> manifold pressure and smooths out the engine timing to give you the best 
>> engine performance on your climb or cruise. You are always one set of points 
>> or capacitor failure before your engine goes to hades... (you know "Hell")...
>> 
>> Consider this"
>> 1. The engine timing with an electronic ignition system does not drift from 
>> the setpoint since there is no mechanical wear and tear
>> 2. Each independent computer controls an independent bank of spark plugs (4 
>> upper and 4 lower)
>> 3. You can customize the power curve so as you climb, the computer 
>> compensates by adjusting your engine's timing for the best performance. 
>> 4. Two completely independent batteries, one acting as primary, and the 
>> other as backup.
>> 5. No mandatory 500 hr overhaul
>> 6. No moving parts in the whole system... none
>> 7. Each computer is capable of advancing or retarding the timing of your 
>> engine for best economy or to prevent detonation based on manifold pressure. 
>> 8. Lean of peak adjustments extracts all possible energy from the fuel, 
>> picking up a few extra knots which are lost running leaner mixtures.
>> 9. Low current draw, long spark duration, 4 cylinder coil pack and 
>> controller draw about 1.2 amps at 2500 RPM. 
>> 
>> and there you have it...
>> 
>> Luis
>> 
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Re: KRnet> KR parts from Lawn & garden?!

[Tony King via KRnet]

In addition to all the points Luis has made, pretty much every car on the
road today has electronic ignition, with far less redundancy than Luis has
outlined, yet ignition failures are quite rare given the number of units in
operation.  Whilst there may be more complexity, the reliability of
electronic systems is in a whole different ball park to mechanical
systems.  Of course the failure modes are different too, and regardless of
which system(s) one chooses it's essential to understand and address how
they might let you down.

TK

On Fri, 8 Jul 2022 at 09:21, Luis Claudio via KRnet 
wrote:

> Dr. HSU, oh ye of little faith... I do suggest you look into the "SDS CP1
> electronic ignition systems". It means that I have dual independent power
> sources for controlling each independent timing computer with automatic
> customization for RPM and load (manifold pressure). The computer monitors
> my manifold pressure and smooths out the engine timing to give you the best
> engine performance on your climb or cruise. You are always one set of
> points or capacitor failure before your engine goes to hades... (you know
> "Hell")...
>
> Consider this"
> 1. The engine timing with an electronic ignition system does not drift
> from the setpoint since there is no mechanical wear and tear
> 2. Each independent computer controls an independent bank of spark plugs
> (4 upper and 4 lower)
> 3. You can customize the power curve so as you climb, the computer
> compensates by adjusting your engine's timing for the best performance.
> 4. Two completely independent batteries, one acting as primary, and the
> other as backup.
> 5. No mandatory 500 hr overhaul
> 6. No moving parts in the whole system... none
> 7. Each computer is capable of advancing or retarding the timing of your
> engine for best economy or to prevent detonation based on manifold
> pressure.
> 8. Lean of peak adjustments extracts all possible energy from the fuel,
> picking up a few extra knots which are lost running leaner mixtures.
> 9. Low current draw, long spark duration, 4 cylinder coil pack and
> controller draw about 1.2 amps at 2500 RPM.
>
> and there you have it...
>
> Luis
>
>
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Re: KRnet> KR parts from Lawn & garden?!

[Luis Claudio via KRnet]

 Dr. HSU, oh ye of little faith... I do suggest you look into the "SDS CP1 
electronic ignition systems". It means that I have dual independent power 
sources for controlling each independent timing computer with automatic 
customization for RPM and load (manifold pressure). The computer monitors my 
manifold pressure and smooths out the engine timing to give you the best engine 
performance on your climb or cruise. You are always one set of points or 
capacitor failure before your engine goes to hades... (you know "Hell")...
Consider this"1. The engine timing with an electronic ignition system does not 
drift from the setpoint since there is no mechanical wear and tear2. Each 
independent computer controls an independent bank of spark plugs (4 upper and 4 
lower)3. You can customize the power curve so as you climb, the computer 
compensates by adjusting your engine's timing for the best performance. 4. Two 
completely independent batteries, one acting as primary, and the other as 
backup.5. No mandatory 500 hr overhaul6. No moving parts in the whole system... 
none7. Each computer is capable of advancing or retarding the timing of your 
engine for best economy or to prevent detonation based on manifold pressure. 8. 
Lean of peak adjustments extracts all possible energy from the fuel, picking up 
a few extra knots which are lost running leaner mixtures.9. Low current draw, 
long spark duration, 4 cylinder coil pack and controller draw about 1.2 amps at 
2500 RPM. 

and there you have it...
Luis

On Thursday, July 7, 2022 at 12:29:13 PM CDT, Dr. Feng Hsu 
 wrote:  
 
 No magneto anymore on your bird, Luis? Well, I understand you may have dual or 
triple SDS Electronic Ignition, but it's NOT the same as far as reliability is 
concerned!!! I would much rather use a redundant ignition system each with 
completely different design. Think about what's going to happen if you were to 
suffer from a loss of electrical power event...?!
Dr. Hsu

On Thu, Jul 7, 2022, 9:30 AM Luis Claudio via KRnet  
wrote:

 I have dual SDS Electronic Ignition, no magneto. I removed the D3000 Dual mag. 
I had sent it off to be overhauled and when I got it back I had second thoughts 
about using it. So I spent the money and bought the electronic one... I love it.
On Thursday, July 7, 2022 at 08:46:10 AM CDT, svd via KRnet 
 wrote:  
 
 Congrats Luis!
What are you using for ignition?
Cheers,Owen



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wrote:
 Ok Dr Hsu... this collection of lawn and garden parts is ready to fly,  Come 
fly with me hahaha...
Luis R Claudio, KR2S  N8981S


On Wednesday, July 6, 2022 at 03:25:44 PM CDT, Dr. Feng Hsu via KRnet 
 wrote:  
 
 Indeed Roger! It hurts really badly just to think about how things could 
suddenly be turning straight at a 180 heading in just a bit over a year and 
half !!!
Frankly, I had to put my flight training on a temporary hold due to the soaring 
100LL fuel cost since early this year. Perhaps, it's time for some of us to 
start thinking of converting the KR2 into a first ever e-KR2?! It will be a 
huge success and historical significance if someone could manage to complete 
the 1st e-KR2 conversion and keep it in the air for 30 minutes or longer?!
Seriously, if anyone wants to embark on this challenge for an e-KR2 conversion, 
please include me in the team and contact me for a "secret"  type of battery 
that weights less than 15 lb (as compared to 33lb of a same capacity Concord 
12V 330CA), and zero leakage on voltage after installed on my Piper PA-28 for 
two years with a full initial charge...! My Piper starts every single time with 
only one cranking regardless at -15F in the winter, or 110F in the summer ever 
since I took it down and throw the Concord battery in the recycle tank! 
Best of luck to all! 
Dr. Hsu
On Tue, Jul 5, 2022, 7:35 PM Roger  wrote:

And that is without cheese or the drink
Roger
Sent from my iPhone

> 
> 
> I am wondering how many are still flying these days with the gas price well 
> over $7 per gallon? We used to call it to fly for an "hundred $ hamburger", 
> but we must now call it $200 hamburger nowadays!!
> 
> v/r,
> 
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Re: KRnet> KR parts from Lawn & garden?!

[Dr. Feng Hsu via KRnet]

No magneto anymore on your bird, Luis? Well, I understand you may have dual
or triple SDS Electronic Ignition, but it's NOT the same as far as
reliability is concerned!!! I would much rather use a redundant ignition
system each with completely different design. Think about what's going to
happen if you were to suffer from a loss of electrical power event...?!

Dr. Hsu


On Thu, Jul 7, 2022, 9:30 AM Luis Claudio via KRnet 
wrote:

> I have dual SDS Electronic Ignition, no magneto. I removed the D3000 Dual
> mag. I had sent it off to be overhauled and when I got it back I had second
> thoughts about using it. So I spent the money and bought the electronic
> one... I love it.
>
> On Thursday, July 7, 2022 at 08:46:10 AM CDT, svd via KRnet <
> krnet@list.krnet.org> wrote:
>
>
> Congrats Luis!
>
> What are you using for ignition?
>
> Cheers,
> Owen
>
>
>
> On Jul 6, 2022, at 10:13 PM, Luis Claudio via KRnet 
> wrote:
>
> Ok Dr Hsu... this collection of lawn and garden parts is ready to fly,
> Come fly with me hahaha...
>
> Luis R Claudio, KR2S  N8981S
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, July 6, 2022 at 03:25:44 PM CDT, Dr. Feng Hsu via KRnet <
> krnet@list.krnet.org> wrote:
>
>
> Indeed Roger! It hurts really badly just to think about how things could
> suddenly be turning straight at a 180 heading in just a bit over a year and
> half !!!
>
> Frankly, I had to put my flight training on a temporary hold due to the
> soaring 100LL fuel cost since early this year. Perhaps, it's time for some
> of us to start thinking of converting the KR2 into a first ever e-KR2?! It
> will be a huge success and historical significance if someone could manage
> to complete the 1st e-KR2 conversion and keep it in the air for 30 minutes
> or longer?!
>
> Seriously, if anyone wants to embark on this challenge for an e-KR2
> conversion, please include me in the team and contact me for a "secret"
> type of battery that weights less than 15 lb (as compared to 33lb of a same
> capacity Concord 12V 330CA), and zero leakage on voltage after installed on
> my Piper PA-28 for two years with a full initial charge...! My Piper starts
> every single time with only one cranking regardless at -15F in the winter,
> or 110F in the summer ever since I took it down and throw the Concord
> battery in the recycle tank!
>
> Best of luck to all!
>
> Dr. Hsu
>
> On Tue, Jul 5, 2022, 7:35 PM Roger  wrote:
>
> And that is without cheese or the drink
> Roger
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> >
> >
> > I am wondering how many are still flying these days with the gas price
> well over $7 per gallon? We used to call it to fly for an "hundred $
> hamburger", but we must now call it $200 hamburger nowadays!!
> >
> > v/r,
> >
> > Dr. Hsu
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Re: KRnet> KR parts from Lawn & garden?!

[Luis Claudio via KRnet]

 I have dual SDS Electronic Ignition, no magneto. I removed the D3000 Dual mag. 
I had sent it off to be overhauled and when I got it back I had second thoughts 
about using it. So I spent the money and bought the electronic one... I love it.
On Thursday, July 7, 2022 at 08:46:10 AM CDT, svd via KRnet 
 wrote:  
 
 Congrats Luis!
What are you using for ignition?
Cheers,Owen



On Jul 6, 2022, at 10:13 PM, Luis Claudio via KRnet  
wrote:
 Ok Dr Hsu... this collection of lawn and garden parts is ready to fly,  Come 
fly with me hahaha...
Luis R Claudio, KR2S  N8981S


On Wednesday, July 6, 2022 at 03:25:44 PM CDT, Dr. Feng Hsu via KRnet 
 wrote:  
 
 Indeed Roger! It hurts really badly just to think about how things could 
suddenly be turning straight at a 180 heading in just a bit over a year and 
half !!!
Frankly, I had to put my flight training on a temporary hold due to the soaring 
100LL fuel cost since early this year. Perhaps, it's time for some of us to 
start thinking of converting the KR2 into a first ever e-KR2?! It will be a 
huge success and historical significance if someone could manage to complete 
the 1st e-KR2 conversion and keep it in the air for 30 minutes or longer?!
Seriously, if anyone wants to embark on this challenge for an e-KR2 conversion, 
please include me in the team and contact me for a "secret"  type of battery 
that weights less than 15 lb (as compared to 33lb of a same capacity Concord 
12V 330CA), and zero leakage on voltage after installed on my Piper PA-28 for 
two years with a full initial charge...! My Piper starts every single time with 
only one cranking regardless at -15F in the winter, or 110F in the summer ever 
since I took it down and throw the Concord battery in the recycle tank! 
Best of luck to all! 
Dr. Hsu
On Tue, Jul 5, 2022, 7:35 PM Roger  wrote:

And that is without cheese or the drink
Roger
Sent from my iPhone

> 
> 
> I am wondering how many are still flying these days with the gas price well 
> over $7 per gallon? We used to call it to fly for an "hundred $ hamburger", 
> but we must now call it $200 hamburger nowadays!!
> 
> v/r,
> 
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[svd via KRnet]

Congrats Luis!

What are you using for ignition?

Cheers,
Owen



> On Jul 6, 2022, at 10:13 PM, Luis Claudio via KRnet  
> wrote:
> 
> Ok Dr Hsu... this collection of lawn and garden parts is ready to fly,  Come 
> fly with me hahaha...
> 
> Luis R Claudio, KR2S  N8981S
> 
> 
> 
> On Wednesday, July 6, 2022 at 03:25:44 PM CDT, Dr. Feng Hsu via KRnet 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Indeed Roger! It hurts really badly just to think about how things could 
> suddenly be turning straight at a 180 heading in just a bit over a year and 
> half !!!
> 
> Frankly, I had to put my flight training on a temporary hold due to the 
> soaring 100LL fuel cost since early this year. Perhaps, it's time for some of 
> us to start thinking of converting the KR2 into a first ever e-KR2?! It will 
> be a huge success and historical significance if someone could manage to 
> complete the 1st e-KR2 conversion and keep it in the air for 30 minutes or 
> longer?!
> 
> Seriously, if anyone wants to embark on this challenge for an e-KR2 
> conversion, please include me in the team and contact me for a "secret"  type 
> of battery that weights less than 15 lb (as compared to 33lb of a same 
> capacity Concord 12V 330CA), and zero leakage on voltage after installed on 
> my Piper PA-28 for two years with a full initial charge...! My Piper starts 
> every single time with only one cranking regardless at -15F in the winter, or 
> 110F in the summer ever since I took it down and throw the Concord battery in 
> the recycle tank! 
> 
> Best of luck to all! 
> 
> Dr. Hsu
> 
> On Tue, Jul 5, 2022, 7:35 PM Roger  > wrote:
> And that is without cheese or the drink
> Roger
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > 
> > 
> > I am wondering how many are still flying these days with the gas price well 
> > over $7 per gallon? We used to call it to fly for an "hundred $ hamburger", 
> > but we must now call it $200 hamburger nowadays!!
> > 
> > v/r,
> > 
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[Dr. Feng Hsu via KRnet]

 Congratulations Luis! This is much delayed based on what you first
predicted last fall! Nevertheless, I am excited to hear that your "girl" is
finally fully flagged now, and is ready to fly!! My hat off to you for
making her such a beautiful KR2 with modern avionics!

Please let me know the time of her maiden lift-off, and I will try best to
come to Dallas to watch and video taping your first flight!

Cheers!

Dr. Hsu

On Thu, Jul 7, 2022, 12:09 AM Luis Claudio  wrote:

> Dr. Hsu... she's ready to fly. I will be doing a high-speed taxi test this
> week... Its just a collection of lawn and garden parts, come fly with me...
> hahaha
>
> Luis R Claudio, KR2S N8981S
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, July 6, 2022 at 03:25:44 PM CDT, Dr. Feng Hsu via KRnet <
> krnet@list.krnet.org> wrote:
>
>
> Indeed Roger! It hurts really badly just to think about how things could
> suddenly be turning straight at a 180 heading in just a bit over a year and
> half !!!
>
> Frankly, I had to put my flight training on a temporary hold due to the
> soaring 100LL fuel cost since early this year. Perhaps, it's time for some
> of us to start thinking of converting the KR2 into a first ever e-KR2?! It
> will be a huge success and historical significance if someone could manage
> to complete the 1st e-KR2 conversion and keep it in the air for 30 minutes
> or longer?!
>
> Seriously, if anyone wants to embark on this challenge for an e-KR2
> conversion, please include me in the team and contact me for a "secret"
> type of battery that weights less than 15 lb (as compared to 33lb of a same
> capacity Concord 12V 330CA), and zero leakage on voltage after installed on
> my Piper PA-28 for two years with a full initial charge...! My Piper starts
> every single time with only one cranking regardless at -15F in the winter,
> or 110F in the summer ever since I took it down and throw the Concord
> battery in the recycle tank!
>
> Best of luck to all!
>
> Dr. Hsu
>
> On Tue, Jul 5, 2022, 7:35 PM Roger  wrote:
>
> And that is without cheese or the drink
> Roger
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> >
> >
> > I am wondering how many are still flying these days with the gas price
> well over $7 per gallon? We used to call it to fly for an "hundred $
> hamburger", but we must now call it $200 hamburger nowadays!!
> >
> > v/r,
> >
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Indeed Roger! It hurts really badly just to think about how things could
suddenly be turning straight at a 180 heading in just a bit over a year and
half !!!

Frankly, I had to put my flight training on a temporary hold due to the
soaring 100LL fuel cost since early this year. Perhaps, it's time for some
of us to start thinking of converting the KR2 into a first ever e-KR2?! It
will be a huge success and historical significance if someone could manage
to complete the 1st e-KR2 conversion and keep it in the air for 30 minutes
or longer?!

Seriously, if anyone wants to embark on this challenge for an e-KR2
conversion, please include me in the team and contact me for a "secret"
type of battery that weights less than 15 lb (as compared to 33lb of a same
capacity Concord 12V 330CA), and zero leakage on voltage after installed on
my Piper PA-28 for two years with a full initial charge...! My Piper starts
every single time with only one cranking regardless at -15F in the winter,
or 110F in the summer ever since I took it down and throw the Concord
battery in the recycle tank!

Best of luck to all!

Dr. Hsu

On Tue, Jul 5, 2022, 7:35 PM Roger  wrote:

> And that is without cheese or the drink
> Roger
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> >
> >
> > I am wondering how many are still flying these days with the gas price
> well over $7 per gallon? We used to call it to fly for an "hundred $
> hamburger", but we must now call it $200 hamburger nowadays!!
> >
> > v/r,
> >
> > Dr. Hsu
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And that is without cheese or the drink
Roger
Sent from my iPhone

> 
> 
> I am wondering how many are still flying these days with the gas price well 
> over $7 per gallon? We used to call it to fly for an "hundred $ hamburger", 
> but we must now call it $200 hamburger nowadays!!
> 
> v/r,
> 
> Dr. Hsu

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[Dr. Feng Hsu via KRnet]

John,

Thanks for letting me know your winning the "least expensive KR builder"
award in the gathering in OK! I thought no one could beat Larry or Luis on
this category of KR competition, but I was wrong obviously! You guys are
amazing in building something that flies safely and affordable!

I am wondering how many are still flying these days with the gas price well
over $7 per gallon? We used to call it to fly for an "hundred $ hamburger",
but we must now call it $200 hamburger nowadays!!

v/r,

Dr. Hsu

On Tue, Jul 5, 2022, 5:57 PM  wrote:

> Dr, Feng Hsu.  Parts is Parts.  I too, used a riding mower battery up
> until replacement time, this year, with a PC-680. It seems lots of folks
> are using this one now days.
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At the Tulsa ,Oklahoma KR Gathering, I won just that, award. Least
expensive to build, KR-2. John Shaffer.

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Dr, Feng Hsu. Parts is Parts. I too, used a riding mower battery up
until replacement time, this year, with a PC-680. It seems lots of
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Re: KRnet> KR parts from Lawn & garden?!

[Dr. Feng Hsu via KRnet]

Well Luis, you definitely are a serious competitor to Larry on the
"cheapest KR builder" award I just proposed! In fact, your selfclaim of a
sugar cane field pilot from Puerto Rico will definitely add up to your
chances of winning this award!

Fireworks here in Kemath Houston is going off soon!

Cheers!

Dr. Hsu

On Mon, Jul 4, 2022, 8:21 PM Luis Claudio via KRnet 
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> Larry, you are giving away the secrets... If I answered his question, he
> would never come close to my airplane...Very few parts are actually
> aircraft quality parts... well the AN hardware definitely, but my flaps
> actuator came from a wheelchair, and my rudder pedals are aluminum channels
> cut to shape... my seat brackets come from caster wheel frames, Strobes are
> eBay brake lights... no Dr. Hsu, you don't want to know... hahaha
>
> Cheers
>
> Luis R Claudio
>
> On Monday, July 4, 2022 at 06:57:20 PM CDT, Flesner via KRnet <
> krnet@list.krnet.org> wrote:
>
>
> On 7/4/2022 6:47 PM, Flesner via KRnet wrote:
> >
> > Dr. Hsu,
> >
> > Airplane parts are where you find them.  If a lawn tractor battery is
> > a concern, you probably don't want to ask me for a ride even though I
> > use a PC-680.
> >
> > Larry Flesner
> >
>
> 
>
> After all, I'm not one to "cut corners".
>
> (those fuel caps are homemade vented caps, cork seal / nylon barb
> fitting in top above vent holes to make water proof)
>
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[Luis Claudio via KRnet]

 Larry, you are giving away the secrets... If I answered his question, he would 
never come close to my airplane...Very few parts are actually aircraft quality 
parts... well the AN hardware definitely, but my flaps actuator came from a 
wheelchair, and my rudder pedals are aluminum channels cut to shape... my seat 
brackets come from caster wheel frames, Strobes are eBay brake lights... no Dr. 
Hsu, you don't want to know... hahaha
Cheers
Luis R Claudio
On Monday, July 4, 2022 at 06:57:20 PM CDT, Flesner via KRnet 
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 On 7/4/2022 6:47 PM, Flesner via KRnet wrote:
>
> Dr. Hsu,
>
> Airplane parts are where you find them.  If a lawn tractor battery is 
> a concern, you probably don't want to ask me for a ride even though I 
> use a PC-680.
>
> Larry Flesner
>


After all, I'm not one to "cut corners".

(those fuel caps are homemade vented caps, cork seal / nylon barb 
fitting in top above vent holes to make water proof)

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On 7/4/2022 6:47 PM, Flesner via KRnet wrote:


Dr. Hsu,

Airplane parts are where you find them.  If a lawn tractor battery is 
a concern, you probably don't want to ask me for a ride even though I 
use a PC-680.


Larry Flesner




After all, I'm not one to "cut corners".

(those fuel caps are homemade vented caps, cork seal / nylon barb 
fitting in top above vent holes to make water proof)


Larry Flesner

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Re: KRnet> KR parts from Lawn & garden?!

[Dr. Feng Hsu via KRnet]

Luis,

Please tell me what else you bought and installed on your cool-looking KR2
that belongs in the category of "lawn & garden", which you might have
picked up from Tractor Supply or Lowe's?! I will definitely have my 2nd
thought about flying with you to the KR Gathering coming up in Illinois if
you installed anything else on your bird other than the battery?!

Happy Fireworks Day!

Dr. Hsu

On Sat, Jul 2, 2022, 5:09 AM Luis Claudio via KRnet 
wrote:

> My main battery is aI a lawn and garden battery...  12V 325AH Purchased at
> Batteries Plus
>
> On Friday, July 1, 2022 at 10:06:31 PM CDT, Lulubelle Pitts via KRnet <
> krnet@list.krnet.org> wrote:
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> What kind of battery do you KR ers use with a VW engine - a motorcycle
> battery?
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