Re: [kubernetes-users] Re: Is it possible to pool resources across hosts/nodes like VMware does

2018-02-19 Thread Jay Pipes 
The only VMWare functionality that allows a VM to be "spread across 
multiple hosts" is vLockstep (VMWare Fault Tolerance). This 
functionality makes an identical clone of a VM on another host and 
replays actions taken on the primary against the cloned VM.


So... not really spreading a single VM across multiple hosts but rather 
synchronous replication of all changes to one VM's state to a clone of it.


https://kb.vmware.com/s/article/1013428

That said, this is about the least "cloudy" thing I can imagine and 
isn't something that a cloud-native application should rely on.


Based on the OP's original question, he may also be referring to VMWare 
DPM functionality, which is something that automatically live migrates 
(via vMotion) VMs from one host to another in a cluster in order to 
consolidate and then powers down the free hosts.


Best,
-jay

On 02/15/2018 04:31 PM, 'David Oppenheimer' via Kubernetes user 
discussion and Q&A wrote:
I read the VMWare page. AFAICT they are not saying that a VM can be 
spread across multiple physical hosts. A "resource pool" appears to be a 
quota pool. They are using a quota model somewhat like the 
kube-arbitrator 
, where quota 
is a guaranteed minimum (rather than a maximum like Kubernetes 
ResourceQuota), and they're saying that if there is unused quota in some 
pool, then it becomes available to other pools on a temporary basis. So 
a VM may be drawing resources (quota) from multiple resource (quota) 
pools, but the VM is only actually running on a single physical host.


At least, that's my reading of the page.


On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 9:16 AM, 'Tim Hockin' via Kubernetes user 
discussion and Q&A > wrote:


I don't know VMWare either, but that seems disastrous from a
predictability point of view.

On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 8:02 PM, Warren Strange
mailto:warren.stra...@gmail.com>> wrote:
 >
 > AFAIK you can not split a pod between more than one node.
 >
 > I know nothing about VMware, but I am guessing they can split VM
processes
 > across nodes, which is pretty much equivalent to what Kubernetes
does with
 > pods (VM process == a pod, roughly speaking).
 >
 >
 >
 > On Wednesday, February 14, 2018 at 8:04:30 PM UTC-7, chez wrote:
 >>
 >> Folks,
 >> Looks like VMware with vsphere (and vcenter?) is able to allocate
 >> resources (vcpu for instance) across hosts for a single VM ? Is this
 >> possible with kubernetes for containers ?
 >> Can kubernetes pool vcpu between multiple hosts/nodes for one
container ?
 >>
 >>

https://pubs.vmware.com/vsphere-4-esx-vcenter/index.jsp?topic=/com.vmware.vsphere.intro.doc_41/c_hosts_clusters_and_resource_pools.html


 >>
 >> I am really intrigued by this statement -
 >> "You can dynamically change resource allocation policies. For
example, at
 >> year end, the workload on Accounting increases, and which
requires an
 >> increase in the Accounting resource pool reserve of 4GHz of
power to 6GHz.
 >> You can make the change to the resource pool dynamically without
shutting
 >> down the associated virtual machines."
 >>
 >> Each physical host is 4Ghz, but this doc says it can pull 2Ghz
out of the
 >> second host. Is it because of ESXi ?
 >>
 >> thanks
 >>
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Re: [kubernetes-users] Re: Is it possible to pool resources across hosts/nodes like VMware does

2018-02-15 Thread 
I read the VMWare page. AFAICT they are not saying that a VM can be spread
across multiple physical hosts. A "resource pool" appears to be a quota
pool. They are using a quota model somewhat like the kube-arbitrator
, where quota is a
guaranteed minimum (rather than a maximum like Kubernetes ResourceQuota),
and they're saying that if there is unused quota in some pool, then it
becomes available to other pools on a temporary basis. So a VM may be
drawing resources (quota) from multiple resource (quota) pools, but the
VM is only actually running on a single physical host.

At least, that's my reading of the page.


On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 9:16 AM, 'Tim Hockin' via Kubernetes user
discussion and Q&A  wrote:

> I don't know VMWare either, but that seems disastrous from a
> predictability point of view.
>
> On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 8:02 PM, Warren Strange
>  wrote:
> >
> > AFAIK you can not split a pod between more than one node.
> >
> > I know nothing about VMware, but I am guessing they can split VM
> processes
> > across nodes, which is pretty much equivalent to what Kubernetes does
> with
> > pods (VM process == a pod, roughly speaking).
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wednesday, February 14, 2018 at 8:04:30 PM UTC-7, chez wrote:
> >>
> >> Folks,
> >> Looks like VMware with vsphere (and vcenter?) is able to allocate
> >> resources (vcpu for instance) across hosts for a single VM ? Is this
> >> possible with kubernetes for containers ?
> >> Can kubernetes pool vcpu between multiple hosts/nodes for one container
> ?
> >>
> >> https://pubs.vmware.com/vsphere-4-esx-vcenter/index.
> jsp?topic=/com.vmware.vsphere.intro.doc_41/c_hosts_clusters_
> and_resource_pools.html
> >>
> >> I am really intrigued by this statement -
> >> "You can dynamically change resource allocation policies. For example,
> at
> >> year end, the workload on Accounting increases, and which requires an
> >> increase in the Accounting resource pool reserve of 4GHz of power to
> 6GHz.
> >> You can make the change to the resource pool dynamically without
> shutting
> >> down the associated virtual machines."
> >>
> >> Each physical host is 4Ghz, but this doc says it can pull 2Ghz out of
> the
> >> second host. Is it because of ESXi ?
> >>
> >> thanks
> >>
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Re: [kubernetes-users] Re: Is it possible to pool resources across hosts/nodes like VMware does

2018-02-15 Thread 
I don't know VMWare either, but that seems disastrous from a
predictability point of view.

On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 8:02 PM, Warren Strange
 wrote:
>
> AFAIK you can not split a pod between more than one node.
>
> I know nothing about VMware, but I am guessing they can split VM processes
> across nodes, which is pretty much equivalent to what Kubernetes does with
> pods (VM process == a pod, roughly speaking).
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, February 14, 2018 at 8:04:30 PM UTC-7, chez wrote:
>>
>> Folks,
>> Looks like VMware with vsphere (and vcenter?) is able to allocate
>> resources (vcpu for instance) across hosts for a single VM ? Is this
>> possible with kubernetes for containers ?
>> Can kubernetes pool vcpu between multiple hosts/nodes for one container ?
>>
>> https://pubs.vmware.com/vsphere-4-esx-vcenter/index.jsp?topic=/com.vmware.vsphere.intro.doc_41/c_hosts_clusters_and_resource_pools.html
>>
>> I am really intrigued by this statement -
>> "You can dynamically change resource allocation policies. For example, at
>> year end, the workload on Accounting increases, and which requires an
>> increase in the Accounting resource pool reserve of 4GHz of power to 6GHz.
>> You can make the change to the resource pool dynamically without shutting
>> down the associated virtual machines."
>>
>> Each physical host is 4Ghz, but this doc says it can pull 2Ghz out of the
>> second host. Is it because of ESXi ?
>>
>> thanks
>>
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