On 03/21/2010 11:20 PM, Ingo Molnar wrote:
* Avi Kivitya...@redhat.com wrote:
Well, for what it's worth, I rarely ever use anything else. My virtual
disks are raw so I can loop mount them easily, and I can also switch my
guest kernels from outside... without ever needing to mount those
On 03/21/2010 10:37 PM, Ingo Molnar wrote:
That includes the guest kernel. If you can deploy a new kernel in the
guest, presumably you can deploy a userspace package.
Note that with perf we can instrument the guest with zero guest-kernel
modifications as well.
We try to reduce the
On 03/21/2010 11:52 PM, Ingo Molnar wrote:
* Avi Kivitya...@redhat.com wrote:
I.e. you are arguing for microkernel Linux, while you see me as arguing
for a monolithic kernel.
No. I'm arguing for reducing bloat wherever possible. Kernel code is more
expensive than userspace code
On Sun, 2010-03-21 at 22:20 +0100, Ingo Molnar wrote:
* Avi Kivity a...@redhat.com wrote:
Well, for what it's worth, I rarely ever use anything else. My virtual
disks are raw so I can loop mount them easily, and I can also switch my
guest kernels from outside... without ever needing
On 03/21/2010 11:54 PM, Ingo Molnar wrote:
* Avi Kivitya...@redhat.com wrote:
On 03/21/2010 10:55 PM, Ingo Molnar wrote:
Of course you could say the following:
' Thanks, I'll mark this for v2.6.36 integration. Note that we are not
able to add this to the v2.6.35 kernel
On 03/22/2010 12:00 AM, Ingo Molnar wrote:
* Avi Kivitya...@redhat.com wrote:
Consider the _other_ examples that are a lot more clear:
' If you expose paravirt spilocks via KVM please also make sure the KVM
tooling can make use of it, has an option for it to configure it, and
On Fri, 2010-03-19 at 09:21 +0100, Ingo Molnar wrote:
Nice progress!
This bit:
1) perf kvm top
[r...@lkp-ne01 norm]# perf kvm --host --guest
--guestkallsyms=/home/ymzhang/guest/kallsyms
--guestmodules=/home/ymzhang/guest/modules top
Will be really be painful to developers - to
Monotonic_time is used to test gettimeofday(), TSC and
clock_gettime(CLOCK_MONOTONIC) which is useful to test the virutal
timer device.
Signed-off-by: Jason Wang jasow...@redhat.com
---
.../kvm/autotest_control/monotonic_time.control| 37
TSC is used to check the whether the TSC of processors are
synchronized which is useful for testing virtual TSC.
Signed-off-by: Jason Wang jasow...@redhat.com
---
client/tests/kvm/autotest_control/tsc.control | 13 +
client/tests/kvm/tests_base.cfg.sample|3 +++
2 files
This patch let the scrashme run in the guest. Scrashme is one kind of
fuzzing or stress test through systemcall. It should be useful in
testing the VMM.
Signed-off-by: Jason Wang jasow...@redhat.com
---
client/tests/kvm/autotest_control/scrashme.control | 14 ++
We should also test timedrift for Linux guests especially for guest
with pvclock. So this patch enable the timedrift for linux guests.
Signed-off-by: Jason Wang jasow...@redhat.com
---
client/tests/kvm/tests_base.cfg.sample | 11 ++-
1 files changed, 10 insertions(+), 1 deletions(-)
Change tko_test_view to tko_test_view_2.
autotest_web do not have tko_test_view table.
Signed-off-by: Feng Yang fy...@redhat.com
---
tko/frontend.py |2 +-
1 files changed, 1 insertions(+), 1 deletions(-)
diff --git a/tko/frontend.py b/tko/frontend.py
index 9033c20..0fd61f9 100644
---
Paul Brook wrote at Wed, 17 Mar 2010 11:18:09 +:
Oh, well, yes, I remember. qemu is more strict on ISA irq sharing now.
A bit too strict.
/me goes dig out a old patch which never made it upstream for some
reason I forgot. Attached.
This is wrong. Two devices should never be
On 03/22/2010 10:35 AM, Michael Tokarev wrote:
Paul Brook wrote at Wed, 17 Mar 2010 11:18:09 +:
Oh, well, yes, I remember. qemu is more strict on ISA irq sharing now.
A bit too strict.
/me goes dig out a old patch which never made it upstream for some
reason I forgot. Attached.
According to SDM, we need to configure EPT paging-structure memory type
by consulting IA32_VMX_EPT_VPID_CAP.
Signed-off-by: Gui Jianfeng guijianf...@cn.fujitsu.com
---
arch/x86/include/asm/vmx.h |2 ++
arch/x86/kvm/vmx.c | 12 +---
2 files changed, 11 insertions(+), 3
On Monday 22 March 2010 17:06:42 Gui Jianfeng wrote:
According to SDM, we need to configure EPT paging-structure memory type
by consulting IA32_VMX_EPT_VPID_CAP.
Signed-off-by: Gui Jianfeng guijianf...@cn.fujitsu.com
---
arch/x86/include/asm/vmx.h |2 ++
arch/x86/kvm/vmx.c |
On 03/21/2010 01:29 PM, Thomas Løcke wrote:
Hey,
What is considered best practice when running a KVM host with a
mixture of Linux and Windows guests?
Currently I have ntpd running on the host, and I start my guests using
-rtc base=localhost,clock=host, with an extra -tdf added for
Windows
decimal_places must less-than-or-equal-to max_digits in
'numeric(max_digits, decimal_places)' in mysql syntax.
max_digits is 12, so decimal_places must = 12. Set
decimal_places to 2.
Signed-off-by: Feng Yang fy...@redhat.com
---
frontend/tko/models.py |2 +-
1 files changed, 1
On 22.03.2010, at 10:15, Dor Laor wrote:
On 03/21/2010 01:29 PM, Thomas Løcke wrote:
Hey,
What is considered best practice when running a KVM host with a
mixture of Linux and Windows guests?
Currently I have ntpd running on the host, and I start my guests using
-rtc
On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 07:43:00PM +0100, Ingo Molnar wrote:
Having access to the actual executable files that include the symbols
achieves
precisely that - with the additional robustness that all this functionality
is
concentrated into the host, while the guest side is kept minimal (and
A 16-bit TSS is only 44 bytes long. So make sure to test for the correct
size on task switch.
Signed-off-by: Jan Kiszka jan.kis...@siemens.com
---
This should be stable material as well. I can provide a patch that
applies on .32 and .33, or what will be the procedure?
arch/x86/kvm/emulate.c |
Dor Laor wrote:
On 03/21/2010 01:29 PM, Thomas Løcke wrote:
Hey,
What is considered best practice when running a KVM host with a
mixture of Linux and Windows guests?
Currently I have ntpd running on the host, and I start my guests using
-rtc base=localhost,clock=host, with an extra -tdf
* oerg Roedel j...@8bytes.org wrote:
It can decide whether it exposes the files. Nor are there any security
issues to begin with.
I am not talking about security. [...]
You were talking about security, in the portion of your mail that you snipped
out, and which i replied to:
2.
When we fail to create a VCPU we have no way to tell our callers that something
failed. So the caller happily uses a completely broken state.
This code should become deprecated in the process of converting qemu-kvm to
qemu anyways, so let's not care about remdeling it but just bailing out when
* oerg Roedel j...@8bytes.org wrote:
On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 07:43:00PM +0100, Ingo Molnar wrote:
Having access to the actual executable files that include the symbols
achieves
precisely that - with the additional robustness that all this functionality
is
concentrated into the
On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 09:31:21PM +0100, Ingo Molnar wrote:
Lets see one example of that thought process in action: Oprofile.
Since you are talking so much about oProfile in this thread I think it
is important to mention that the problem with oProfile was not the
repository separation.
The
On 22.03.2010, at 12:14, Ingo Molnar wrote:
* Avi Kivity a...@redhat.com wrote:
On 03/21/2010 11:54 PM, Ingo Molnar wrote:
* Avi Kivitya...@redhat.com wrote:
On 03/21/2010 10:55 PM, Ingo Molnar wrote:
Of course you could say the following:
' Thanks, I'll mark this for v2.6.36
* Avi Kivity a...@redhat.com wrote:
IMO the reason perf is more usable than oprofile has less to do with the
kernel/userspace boundary and more do to with effort and attention spent on
the userspace/user boundary.
[...]
If you are interested in the first-hand experience of the people who
* Avi Kivity a...@redhat.com wrote:
On 03/21/2010 10:37 PM, Ingo Molnar wrote:
That includes the guest kernel. If you can deploy a new kernel in the
guest, presumably you can deploy a userspace package.
Note that with perf we can instrument the guest with zero guest-kernel
- Jason Wang jasow...@redhat.com wrote:
We should also test timedrift for Linux guests especially for guest
with pvclock. So this patch enable the timedrift for linux guests.
Signed-off-by: Jason Wang jasow...@redhat.com
---
client/tests/kvm/tests_base.cfg.sample | 11 ++-
On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 11:59:27AM +0100, Ingo Molnar wrote:
Best would be if you demonstrated any problems of the perf symbol lookup code
you are aware of on the host side, as it has that exact design you are
criticising here. We are eager to fix any bugs in it.
If you claim that it's
* Avi Kivity a...@redhat.com wrote:
My 10+ years experience with kernel instrumentation solutions is that
kernel-driven, self-sufficient, robust, trustable, well-enumerated sources
of information work far better in practice.
What about line number information? And the source? Into
* Anthony Liguori anth...@codemonkey.ws wrote:
On 03/21/2010 04:54 PM, Ingo Molnar wrote:
* Avi Kivitya...@redhat.com wrote:
On 03/21/2010 10:55 PM, Ingo Molnar wrote:
Of course you could say the following:
' Thanks, I'll mark this for v2.6.36 integration. Note that we are not
[snip]
I believe that -kernel use will be rare, though. It's a lot
easier to keep everything in one filesystem.
Well, for what it's worth, I rarely ever use anything else. My
virtual disks are raw so I can loop mount them easily, and I can also
switch my guest kernels from outside...
2010/3/22 Asdo a...@shiftmail.org:
I've looked at libvirt a bit, and I fail at seeing the attraction. I
think I will stay with plain qemu-kvm, unless there are some very
compelling reasons for going down the libvirt route.
Virsh (uses libvirt) is almost irreplaceable for us...
How do you
* oerg Roedel j...@8bytes.org wrote:
On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 09:31:21PM +0100, Ingo Molnar wrote:
Lets see one example of that thought process in action: Oprofile.
Since you are talking so much about oProfile in this thread I think it is
important to mention that the problem with
* Joerg Roedel j...@8bytes.org wrote:
On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 11:59:27AM +0100, Ingo Molnar wrote:
Best would be if you demonstrated any problems of the perf symbol lookup
code
you are aware of on the host side, as it has that exact design you are
criticising here. We are eager to
On 03/22/2010 01:14 PM, Ingo Molnar wrote:
I think we agree at last. Neither I nor my employer are interested in
running qemu as a desktop-on-desktop tool, therefore I don't invest any
effort in that direction, or require it from volunteers.
Obviously your employer at least in part
On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 1:48 PM, Ingo Molnar mi...@elte.hu wrote:
What about line number information? And the source? Into the kernel with
them as well?
Sigh. Please read the _very first_ suggestion i made, which solves all that. I
rarely go into discussions without suggesting technical
On 03/22/2010 01:48 PM, Ingo Molnar wrote:
* Avi Kivitya...@redhat.com wrote:
My 10+ years experience with kernel instrumentation solutions is that
kernel-driven, self-sufficient, robust, trustable, well-enumerated sources
of information work far better in practice.
What about
On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 02:31:49PM +0200, Pekka Enberg wrote:
On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 1:48 PM, Ingo Molnar mi...@elte.hu wrote:
What about line number information? And the source? Into the kernel with
them as well?
Sigh. Please read the _very first_ suggestion i made, which solves all
On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 11:36 AM, Jan Kiszka jan.kis...@siemens.com wrote:
Don't know what Windows does with the RTC, but the idea behind -rtc
clock=host is to provide an accurate time source to guest without
paravirtualized guest kernel drivers or an ntp installation in the
guest. Last time I
Hi Daniel,
(I'm getting slightly off-topic, sorry about that.)
Daniel P. Berrange kirjoitti:
Here it is, repeated for the Nth time:
Allow a guest to (optionally) integrate its VFS namespace with the host side
as well. An example scheme would be:
/guests/Fedora-G1/
/guests/Fedora-G1/proc/
* Avi Kivity a...@redhat.com wrote:
On 03/22/2010 01:14 PM, Ingo Molnar wrote:
I think we agree at last. Neither I nor my employer are interested in
running qemu as a desktop-on-desktop tool, therefore I don't invest any
effort in that direction, or require it from volunteers.
Obviously
On 03/22/2010 01:39 PM, Ingo Molnar wrote:
Reality is, the server space never was and never will be self-sustaining in
the long run (as Novell has found it out with Netware), it is the desktop that
dictates future markets. This is why i find your views about this naive and
shortsighted.
On 03/22/2010 01:23 PM, Ingo Molnar wrote:
* Avi Kivitya...@redhat.com wrote:
IMO the reason perf is more usable than oprofile has less to do with the
kernel/userspace boundary and more do to with effort and attention spent on
the userspace/user boundary.
[...]
If you are
On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 2:36 PM, Avi Kivity a...@redhat.com wrote:
Here it is, repeated for the Nth time:
Allow a guest to (optionally) integrate its VFS namespace with the host
side
as well. An example scheme would be:
/guests/Fedora-G1/
[...]
You're missing something. This
On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 05:17:38PM +0200, Avi Kivity wrote:
On 03/21/2010 04:55 PM, Sebastian Hetze wrote:
On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 02:19:40PM +0200, Avi Kivity wrote:
On 03/21/2010 02:02 PM, Sebastian Hetze wrote:
12:46:02 CPU%usr %nice%sys %iowait%irq %soft
On 03/22/2010 02:44 PM, Ingo Molnar wrote:
This is why i consider that line of argument rather dishonest ...
I am not going to reply to any more email from you on this thread.
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Am Montag, den 22.03.2010, 12:23 +0100 schrieb Alexander Graf:
I think we agree at last. Neither I nor my employer are interested in
running qemu as a desktop-on-desktop tool, therefore I don't invest any
effort in that direction, or require it from volunteers.
Obviously your
* Daniel P. Berrange berra...@redhat.com wrote:
On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 02:31:49PM +0200, Pekka Enberg wrote:
On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 1:48 PM, Ingo Molnar mi...@elte.hu wrote:
What about line number information? ?And the source? ?Into the kernel
with
them as well?
Sigh. Please
On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 02:44:57PM +0200, Avi Kivity wrote:
On 03/22/2010 01:39 PM, Ingo Molnar wrote:
Reality is, the server space never was and never will be self-sustaining in
the long run (as Novell has found it out with Netware), it is the desktop
that
dictates future markets. This is
Hi Avi,
On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 2:49 PM, Avi Kivity a...@redhat.com wrote:
Seems like perf is also split, with sysprof being developed outside the
kernel. Will you bring sysprof into the kernel? Will every feature be
duplicated in prof and sysprof?
I am glad you brought it up! Sysprof was
On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 01:54:40PM +0100, Ingo Molnar wrote:
* Daniel P. Berrange berra...@redhat.com wrote:
FYI, for offline guests, you can use libguestfs[1] to access change files
inside the guest, and read-only access to running guests files. It provides
access via a interactive
On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 01:05:13PM +, Daniel P. Berrange wrote:
This is close to the way libguestfs already works. It boots QEMU/KVM pointing
to a minimal stripped down appliance linux OS image, containing a small agent
it talks to over some form of vmchannel/serial/virtio-serial device.
Hi,
when switching an x86 hardware task because of some exception, KVM does
not push potential error codes on the stack of the handler task. I guess
not many OSes make use of this slow feature - we found one :). Does
anyone happen to have a fix on his agenda? Otherwise I will look into
this (next
On 03/17/2010 07:37 AM, kazushi takahashi wrote:
Hi all
Does anybody know exact important date, such as paper deadline
for KVM Forum 2010?
It's not yet official and Chris Wright will publish the dates but last
we talked it was about asking for pretty simple abstracts (a paragraph
or two,
On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 10:55:18AM +0100, Alexander Graf wrote:
On 22.03.2010, at 10:15, Dor Laor wrote:
On 03/21/2010 01:29 PM, Thomas Løcke wrote:
Hey,
What is considered best practice when running a KVM host with a
mixture of Linux and Windows guests?
Currently I have ntpd
On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 01:22:28PM +0100, Ingo Molnar wrote:
* Joerg Roedel j...@8bytes.org wrote:
[...] Basically the reason of the oProfile failure is a disfunctional
community. [...]
Caused by: repository separation and the inevitable code and social fork a
decade later.
No, the
* Daniel P. Berrange berra...@redhat.com wrote:
On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 01:54:40PM +0100, Ingo Molnar wrote:
* Daniel P. Berrange berra...@redhat.com wrote:
FYI, for offline guests, you can use libguestfs[1] to access change
files
inside the guest, and read-only access to
* Richard W.M. Jones rjo...@redhat.com wrote:
On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 01:05:13PM +, Daniel P. Berrange wrote:
This is close to the way libguestfs already works. It boots QEMU/KVM
pointing
to a minimal stripped down appliance linux OS image, containing a small
agent
it talks to
* Richard W.M. Jones rjo...@redhat.com wrote:
On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 02:56:47PM +0100, Ingo Molnar wrote:
Just curious: any plans to extend this to include live read/write access as
well?
I.e. to have the 'agent' (guestfsd) running universally, so that
tools such as perf and by
On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 02:56:47PM +0100, Ingo Molnar wrote:
Just curious: any plans to extend this to include live read/write access as
well?
I.e. to have the 'agent' (guestfsd) running universally, so that
tools such as perf and by users could rely on the VFS integration as
well, not just
On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 01:23:26PM +, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 01:05:13PM +, Daniel P. Berrange wrote:
This is close to the way libguestfs already works. It boots QEMU/KVM
pointing
to a minimal stripped down appliance linux OS image, containing a small
* Avi Kivity a...@redhat.com wrote:
On 03/22/2010 01:39 PM, Ingo Molnar wrote:
Reality is, the server space never was and never will be self-sustaining
in the long run (as Novell has found it out with Netware), it is the
desktop that dictates future markets. This is why i find your
* Avi Kivity a...@redhat.com wrote:
On 03/22/2010 02:44 PM, Ingo Molnar wrote:
This is why i consider that line of argument rather dishonest ...
I am not going to reply to any more email from you on this thread.
Because i pointed out that i consider a line of argument intellectually
On 03/22/2010 09:32 AM, Ingo Molnar wrote:
* Avi Kivitya...@redhat.com wrote:
On 03/22/2010 02:44 PM, Ingo Molnar wrote:
This is why i consider that line of argument rather dishonest ...
I am not going to reply to any more email from you on this thread.
Because i
On 03/22/2010 04:32 PM, Ingo Molnar wrote:
* Avi Kivitya...@redhat.com wrote:
On 03/22/2010 02:44 PM, Ingo Molnar wrote:
This is why i consider that line of argument rather dishonest ...
I am not going to reply to any more email from you on this thread.
Because i
* Avi Kivity a...@redhat.com wrote:
On 03/22/2010 01:23 PM, Ingo Molnar wrote:
* Avi Kivitya...@redhat.com wrote:
IMO the reason perf is more usable than oprofile has less to do with the
kernel/userspace boundary and more do to with effort and attention spent on
the userspace/user
* Pekka Enberg penb...@cs.helsinki.fi wrote:
Hi Avi,
On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 2:49 PM, Avi Kivity a...@redhat.com wrote:
Seems like perf is also split, with sysprof being developed outside the
kernel. ?Will you bring sysprof into the kernel? ?Will every feature be
duplicated in prof and
Indeed, 0.12.3 fixes the problem
Alpar Torok
2010/3/17 Marcelo Tosatti mtosa...@redhat.com:
On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 05:25:13PM +0200, Alpár Török wrote:
PS: It just occurred to me , that it does indeed freeze and cause a
100% CPU usage. At least i can say for sure that network, serial
Also, fetch the KVM version before setting up the VMs.
Changes from v1:
Change 'for key in env' back to 'for key in env.keys()', because that loop
may remove entries from the env dictionary, therefore causing an exception
to be raised (RuntimeError: dictionary changed size during iteration).
Screendumps are taken regularly and converted to JPEG format.
They are stored in .../debug/screendumps_VMname/.
Requires python-imaging.
- Enabled by 'take_regular_screendumps = yes' (naming suggestions welcome).
- Delay between screendumps is controlled by 'screendump_delay' (default 5).
-
On 10.02.2010, at 13:21, Gleb Natapov wrote:
X86 emulator fails to do permission/correctness checking like
real CPU does for some instruction. This patch series fixes some
of those discrepancies.
Changelog:
v1-v2
- move IOPL permission checking functions into emulate.c
- rename them
On 22.03.2010, at 16:48, Alexander Graf wrote:
On 10.02.2010, at 13:21, Gleb Natapov wrote:
X86 emulator fails to do permission/correctness checking like
real CPU does for some instruction. This patch series fixes some
of those discrepancies.
Changelog:
v1-v2
- move IOPL permission
* Anthony Liguori anth...@codemonkey.ws wrote:
[...]
I've been trying very hard to turn this into a productive thread attempting
to capture your feedback and give clear suggestions about how you can solve
achieve your desired functionality.
I'm glad that we are at this more productive
On 03/22/2010 10:55 AM, Ingo Molnar wrote:
* Anthony Liguorianth...@codemonkey.ws wrote:
[...]
I've been trying very hard to turn this into a productive thread attempting
to capture your feedback and give clear suggestions about how you can solve
achieve your desired functionality.
* Avi Kivity a...@redhat.com wrote:
On 03/22/2010 04:32 PM, Ingo Molnar wrote:
* Avi Kivitya...@redhat.com wrote:
On 03/22/2010 02:44 PM, Ingo Molnar wrote:
This is why i consider that line of argument rather dishonest ...
I am not going to reply to any more email from you on this
On 03/22/2010 06:08 PM, Ingo Molnar wrote:
* Avi Kivitya...@redhat.com wrote:
On 03/22/2010 04:32 PM, Ingo Molnar wrote:
* Avi Kivitya...@redhat.com wrote:
On 03/22/2010 02:44 PM, Ingo Molnar wrote:
This is why i consider that line of argument rather
On 03/22/2010 06:12 PM, Avi Kivity wrote:
There were a few responses to that but none really addressed those
problems -
they mostly tried to re-define the problem and suggested that i was
wrong to
want such capabilities and suggested various inferior approaches
instead. See
the thread for the
* Joerg Roedel j...@8bytes.org wrote:
[...] Look at the state of the alpha arch in Linux today, it is maintained
in one repository but nobody really cares about it. Thus it is miles behine
most other archs Linux supports today in quality and feature completeness.
I dont know how you can
I've never heard of any KVM specific distributions. Are you aware of
any?
Have you heard of Proxmox VE[1]?
It's built on top of Debian with virtualization in mind.
[1] http://pve.proxmox.com
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On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 6:16 PM, Avi Kivity a...@redhat.com wrote:
You simply kept ignoring me when I said that if something can be kept out
of the kernel without impacting performance, it should be. I don't want
emergency patches closing some security hole or oops in a kernel symbol
server.
Em Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 03:24:47PM +0800, Zhang, Yanmin escreveu:
On Fri, 2010-03-19 at 09:21 +0100, Ingo Molnar wrote:
So some sort of --guestmount option would be the natural solution, which
points to the guest system's root: and a Qemu enumeration of guest mounts
(which would be off by
* Avi Kivity a...@redhat.com wrote:
The crux of the problem is very simple. To quote my earlier mail:
|
| - The inconvenience of having to type:
| perf kvm --host --guest
--guestkallsyms=/home/ymzhang/guest/kallsyms \
|
* Anthony Liguori anth...@codemonkey.ws wrote:
On 03/22/2010 10:55 AM, Ingo Molnar wrote:
* Anthony Liguorianth...@codemonkey.ws wrote:
[...]
I've been trying very hard to turn this into a productive thread attempting
to capture your feedback and give clear suggestions about how you
On 03/22/2010 06:51 PM, Ingo Molnar wrote:
* Avi Kivitya...@redhat.com wrote:
The crux of the problem is very simple. To quote my earlier mail:
|
| - The inconvenience of having to type:
| perf kvm --host --guest --guestkallsyms=/home/ymzhang/guest/kallsyms \
|
* Anthony Liguori anth...@codemonkey.ws wrote:
- Easy default reference to guest instances, and a way for tools to
reference them symbolically as well in the multi-guest case. Preferably
something trustable and kernel-provided - not some indirect information
like a PID file
mingo wrote:
[...]
No, the split-repository situation was the smallest problem after all. Its
was a community thing. If the community doesn't work a single-repo project
will also fail. [...]
So, what do you think creates code communities and keeps them alive?
Developers and code. And
Hi Frank,
On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 7:17 PM, Frank Ch. Eigler f...@redhat.com wrote:
In your very previous paragraphs, you enumerate two separate causes:
repository structure and development/maintenance process as being
sources of fun. Please simply accept that the former is considered
by many
On 03/22/2010 04:26 PM, Ingo Molnar wrote:
* Avi Kivitya...@redhat.com wrote:
On 03/22/2010 01:39 PM, Ingo Molnar wrote:
Reality is, the server space never was and never will be self-sustaining
in the long run (as Novell has found it out with Netware), it is the
desktop that
On 03/22/2010 07:27 PM, Pekka Enberg wrote:
It's kinda funny to see people argue that having an external
repository is not a problem and that it's not a big deal if building
something from the repository is slightly painful as long as it
doesn't require a PhD when we have _real world_ experience
* Avi Kivity a...@redhat.com wrote:
- Easy default reference to guest instances, and a way for tools to
reference them symbolically as well in the multi-guest case. Preferably
something trustable and kernel-provided - not some indirect information
like a PID file created by
* Avi Kivity a...@redhat.com wrote:
On 03/22/2010 07:27 PM, Pekka Enberg wrote:
It's kinda funny to see people argue that having an external repository is
not a problem and that it's not a big deal if building something from the
repository is slightly painful as long as it doesn't
On 03/22/2010 06:32 PM, Ingo Molnar wrote:
So, what do you think creates code communities and keeps them alive?
Developers and code. And the wellbeing of developers are primarily influenced
by the repository structure and by the development/maintenance process - i.e.
by the 'fun' aspect. (i'm
* Pekka Enberg penb...@cs.helsinki.fi wrote:
Hi Frank,
On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 7:17 PM, Frank Ch. Eigler f...@redhat.com wrote:
In your very previous paragraphs, you enumerate two separate causes:
repository structure and development/maintenance process as being
sources of fun. ?Please
Hi Avi,
On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 7:32 PM, Avi Kivity a...@redhat.com wrote:
It's kinda funny to see people argue that having an external
repository is not a problem and that it's not a big deal if building
something from the repository is slightly painful as long as it
doesn't require a PhD
On 03/22/2010 07:34 PM, Ingo Molnar wrote:
The 'something trustable and kernel-provided'. The kernel knows nothing
about guest names.
The kernel certainly knows about other resources such as task names or network
interface names or tracepoint names. This is kernel design 101.
But
On 03/22/2010 07:39 PM, Ingo Molnar wrote:
* Avi Kivitya...@redhat.com wrote:
On 03/22/2010 07:27 PM, Pekka Enberg wrote:
It's kinda funny to see people argue that having an external repository is
not a problem and that it's not a big deal if building something from the
repository
On 03/22/2010 07:43 PM, Ingo Molnar wrote:
It's kinda funny to see people argue that having an external repository is
not a problem and that it's not a big deal if building something from the
repository is slightly painful as long as it doesn't require a PhD when we
have _real world_
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