Re: unsubscribing from the mailing list

2016-10-03 Thread Kádár Csaba - YoheY [OpenOffice]

Hi Aivaras!

Some answers:

- 'Why not to take a simpler route (I guess I'm just being lazy)?'
- Being lazy doesn't help others. :) (But I know you work a lot on this 
project.)

- 'The emails from l10n@openoffice.apache.org already contain a footer with:
To unsubscribe, e-mail: l10n-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org
For additional commands, e-mail: l10n-h...@openoffice.apache.org'
- Yes, I know, I always start with it. But, as you mentioned, it's not 
written always.
And what if the problems I mentioned previously are exist on someone's 
system?
One of the persons, who asked for help wanted to quit since 2013 fall. 
Yes, three years of unwanted messages. And probably there are 'older' 
ones too.


- 'So perhaps forcing all email going through l10n@openoffice.apache.org 
to include the aforementioned footer would be enough?'
- I guess through the three years there were a lot of correctly 
undersigned l10n mail to notice it, Maybe it would not be enough.


So, dear all, it was just a suggestion to help somehow. I did the 
English html file - written in my previous mail - and will do all the 
html work if needed.


And one more thing to press this thing: right after your response, I 
asked for help in unsubscription from l10n-help. I got an automated 
answer, so I went on and asked for help again, but this time from 
l10n-owner. Approximately two weeks gone. No answer. No anything. This 
is the official way.


Regards to all,
csaba



On 2016-09-21 12:56, Aivaras Stepukonis wrote:

Kádár,

Thanks for the proposal and the thought you've put into it.

Why not to take a simpler route (I guess I'm just being lazy)? The 
emails from l10n@openoffice.apache.org already contain a footer with:



To unsubscribe, e-mail: l10n-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org
For additional commands, e-mail: l10n-h...@openoffice.apache.org


I'd think this is the most widespread way of unsubscribing from 
mailing lists overall: the no-longer-solicited message includes a line 
on how to stop getting it in the future.


The problem is that some of the emails from l10n@openoffice.apache.org 
do not have the footer. I haven't traced the cause for this, yet. It 
looks like it got to do with forwarding and/or partial quoting.


So perhaps forcing all email going through l10n@openoffice.apache.org 
to include the aforementioned footer would be enough?


Aivaras

2016-09-19 17:27, Kádár Csaba - YoheY [OpenOffice] rašė:

Dear All,
who want to help those who do not want to be disturbed by the mailing 
lists anymore...


I would like to suggest to set up a subpage under Support or some 
other section, to assist somehow the unsubscribing process.


Why is it good/needed?
- those, who are not interested anymore in the mailing list, probably 
do not read the mails
- maybe the mails are banned, marked as spam or treated somehow to be 
unable to read
- if someone needs help, the info will be searchable through search 
engines and will be available without emails

- outgoing mails may be banned to unsubscribe
- some users may need some technical help
- misread or misunderstanding something
- anything else, which we cannot forsee

Those, who are registered on the mailing list, once tried to help the 
project somehow. The minimum we can give back is to ensure the free 
leave... and help it, if it's necessary. Then these people will 
remember AOO as a helpful team, not as a catch unable to get rid of.


Formerly I tried to help in private mails, but I only know the result 
when I got feedback. Without it, I do not know, if

- they did not received my mail
- they do not understand what to do
- they don't care at all
- they succeeded

So, here is the page I imagined. If you find it useful, please 
someone load it up.
Localization would be very useful, I guess it would be much more 
easier to understand the process in someone's native language. CSS 
styling will be done later. Any ideas ans personal contact list 
subscriptions are welcomed. English language should be revised.


Regards,
csaba

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Re: unsubscribing from the mailing list

2016-09-19 Thread Kádár Csaba - YoheY [OpenOffice]

Dear All,
who want to help those who do not want to be disturbed by the mailing 
lists anymore...


I would like to suggest to set up a subpage under Support or some other 
section, to assist somehow the unsubscribing process.


Why is it good/needed?
- those, who are not interested anymore in the mailing list, probably do 
not read the mails
- maybe the mails are banned, marked as spam or treated somehow to be 
unable to read
- if someone needs help, the info will be searchable through search 
engines and will be available without emails

- outgoing mails may be banned to unsubscribe
- some users may need some technical help
- misread or misunderstanding something
- anything else, which we cannot forsee

Those, who are registered on the mailing list, once tried to help the 
project somehow. The minimum we can give back is to ensure the free 
leave... and help it, if it's necessary. Then these people will remember 
AOO as a helpful team, not as a catch unable to get rid of.


Formerly I tried to help in private mails, but I only know the result 
when I got feedback. Without it, I do not know, if

- they did not received my mail
- they do not understand what to do
- they don't care at all
- they succeeded

So, here is the page I imagined. If you find it useful, please someone 
load it up.
Localization would be very useful, I guess it would be much more easier 
to understand the process in someone's native language. CSS styling will 
be done later. Any ideas ans personal contact list subscriptions are 
welcomed. English language should be revised.


Regards,
csaba

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