with lights, heat, water, HOT water, working stove, microwave...aaahhh.
(Power not expected to be restored at home until sometime this Sunday.)
From: Sue Fink sarnia...@orcon.net.nz
To: lace digest lace@arachne.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 2, 2011 2:12 AM
Subject: [lace
Hi All,
Hear, hear Clay!! I could not agree with you more about using diagrams while
making Binche!! In fact I go further, one pin in the lace - pin in the same
place on the diagram. I use map pins and have a colour coding of my own
that I use. Green for a finished pin, yellow where there
I recently took a class where
the teacher said she doesn't mark the twists. This creates
confusion.
Drawing twists makes a diagram more error prone. Better no marks than wrong
marks. So it is better to teach them by mouth in those situations they don't
come natural with your level of
I think it depends on the person using the diagram, the thread choice
and whatever lace it is ;)
I like to see twists marked that aren't part of our usual bobbin lace stitches!
I can choose not to do them, or add more or less as it works out. If
the markings aren't there to remind me - I forget.
all that information in your brain better organized and
more easily retrievable.
Kathy
-in cold Marcola, Oregon (sunny but near freezing this morning)
Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2011 10:30:11 -
From: Alex Stillwell alexstillw...@talktalk.net
Subject: [lace] Lace diagrams
Hi Robin
Re: I, however
is
used!
Nancy
Connecticut, USA, in the cold and dark after the big storm :-(
From: Chris Brill-Packard
cbpu...@yahoo.com
To: Arachne Lace List email lace@arachne.com
Sent:
Monday, October 31, 2011 6:52 PM
Subject: Subject: [lace] diagrams
Nancy
asked if colored
Hi Arachnids
- Original Message -
From: Jenny Brandis je...@brandis.com.au
To: 'Alex Stillwell' alexstillw...@talktalk.net; lace@arachne.com
Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2011 11:19 PM
Subject: RE: [lace] Lace diagrams
Many do not and faithfully continue follow diagrams for years
charts or not
Alex
- Original Message -
From: Jenny Brandis je...@brandis.com.au
To: 'Alex Stillwell' alexstillw...@talktalk.net; lace@arachne.com
Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2011 11:19 PM
Subject: RE: [lace] Lace diagrams
Many do not and faithfully continue follow diagrams
Lorelei Halley wrote:
Balance, it seems to me, is a middle ground that a really good lacemaker
eventually achieves: respect for tradition, an understanding and acceptance
of
the lacemaker's discretion and personal interpretation in executing someone
else's design (antique or modern), and the
Nancy asked if colored diagrams were cheating. I do not believe it is
cheating at all, since individuals learn differently. It is just one more
tool in our tool box to accomplish the task of making lace.
Sometimes we
do not have a good picture of the lace nor do we have a sample of the
Alex wrote: In my experience the majority of lacemkers will follow the
diagrams faithfully without understanding what is happening and also they
believe it
is the only way the pattern can be made.
My first instructor
taught with colored diagrams, thread diagrams and prickings. She would have
Hi Everybody:
I often wonder about the patterns we have that are reconstructions of old lace
pieces. Did the lacemaker who examined the old piece and made the modern
pattern:
- draw the overall design and then make it herself and diagram what she did,
or
- examine the threads paths in one repeat
On Mon Oct 31st, 2011 7:17 PM PDT Adele Shaak wrote:Hi Everybody:I often
wonder about the patterns we have that are reconstructions of old lacepieces.
Did the lacemaker who examined the old piece and made the modernpattern:-
draw the overall design and then make it herself and diagram what she
Alex wrote:
In my experience the majority of lacemkers will follow the diagrams
faithfully without understanding what is happening and also they believe it
is
the only way the pattern can be made.
When travelling abroad to teach, a tutor has no idea of the
experience/standard of work that each
Oh I so agree Catherine.
Maureen
- Original Message -
From: Catherine Barley catherinebar...@btinternet.com
To: lace@arachne.com
Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2011 9:42 AM
Subject: [lace] diagrams
Alex wrote:
In my experience the majority of lacemkers will follow the diagrams
Also you are one of the 'thinkers' ... Many do not and
faithfully continue follow diagrams for years without
thinking about how it all works. They are my concern.
Why worry so much? One mans ceiling is another mans floor. Of course you can
try to encourage.
Someone called teachers with
/susanroberts
-Original Message-
From: robinl...@socal.rr.com
Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2011 4:27 AM
To: Arachne
Subject: Re: [lace] diagrams
- Nancy Neff nnef...@yahoo.com wrote:
I am interested in what you all think about the colored diagrams that
accompany much published lace. I
:04 AM
Subject: Re: [lace] diagrams
...I should say that
the vast majority of the lace I work now a
days is Binche
...How you
interact with the diagram dictates whether it is more lace by
numbers.
...To me working out the diagram is the challenge and the puzzle of lace,
I've
drawn diagrams
Hello All! We may need to agree to disagree here. I do best when I am in a
workshop get some expert supervision. At home, my brain turns to mush it
isn't long before the whole thing escapes me. Re-reading my notes my
self-colored drawings doesn't always click. In that case, pre-colored
: Re: [lace] diagrams
...I should say that
the vast majority of the lace I work now a
days is Binche
...How you
interact with the diagram dictates whether it is more lace by
numbers.
...To me working out the diagram is the challenge and the puzzle of lace,
I've
drawn diagrams
All this talk of slavishly following diagrams and thinking that is the only
way to work a pattern has me perplexed. I don't get it. I learned bobbin
lace from Doris Southard's book. I enlarged her prickings and dotted them out
on 4/inch graph paper, and worked them in 10/2 linen. Her
Clay thank you so much for making the comment using continental laces as
your example. I agree with all you say concerning the need for coloured
diagrams. Further when working lace from the Dutch 17th century where
the pricking consists of a few isolated pins, the diagram is essential.
I
Hi All,
The best thing about coloured diagrams is that it allows many more lace books
to be printed, the one edition catering for up to 5 language groups.
I am sure I am not the only one whose mind works quicker that than her hands,
plans to do more lace have to be shelved, or to put off
I think people come to lacemaking the same way they do to anything else in
the world. There are some people who love to be creative and will want to
dive in immediately to see how the lace works. There are also lots of
people that want to learn enough of the language to be able to work a
certain
Fellow Arachnids,
I am interested in what you all think about the colored
diagrams that accompany much published lace. I was struck by the phrase
which is sort of paint by numbers in a recent post. The full quote is It
has colored diagrams for the whole thing, which is sort of paint by
Lacemaking is a hobby, the diagrams are useful and in some cases
necessary. For some laces, such as Binche, I for one am married to the
diagram g
Sometimes, if convenient, I use the diagram as the pricking!
I like it when I don't need a diagram, it is a feeling of freedom but
I'd be lost without
From: Nancy Neff nnef...@yahoo.com
full quote is It has colored diagrams
for the whole thing, which is sort of paint by numbers,
but if you think about
what you are doing, and try to figure out why it is
planned that way, you
learn a lot. I agree with everything said except that
paint-by-numbers
Nancy
I agree with you that diagrams are very useful. I would even say they are
essential for learning and working the more complex laces such as Flanders,
Binche and Valenciennes. And more, for those of us who usually learn from
books instead of live teachers, good diagrams are absolutely
are occurring.
-Original Message-
From: Nancy Neff
Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2011 1:56 PM
To: Arachne
Subject: [lace] diagrams
Fellow Arachnids,
I am interested in what you all think about the colored
diagrams that accompany much published lace. I was struck by the phrase
which
Yes, Lorelei! I've always felt like the diagram was a diagrammatic version of
a computer algorithm.
Nancy
Connecticut
...Using a diagram is more like using a tutorial that comes with a computer
program, or using the help function that is embedded in the
- Nancy Neff nnef...@yahoo.com wrote:
I am interested in what you all think about the colored diagrams that accompany
much published lace. I was struck by the phrase which is sort of paint by
numbers in a recent post.-
I have come across this attitude before. Holly Van Sciver
As I was in at the beginning of the current round on
the use of diagrams, in that it was triggered by
Tamara commenting on my comments to her, but haven't
actually posted on it, I thought I should set out what
I was interested in, especially as the subsequent
debate has illuminated some of it.
I
In a message dated 24/08/2004 21:14:05 GMT Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I think it is fairly obvious that when it comes to showing how a particular
stitch is done, or how some technique works, a standard diagram can be
invaluable, and not using one where it is appropriate, on
!!
Clay
- Original Message -
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 6:03 PM
Subject: Re: [lace] Diagrams again (long, I'm afraid)
In a message dated 24/08/2004 21:14:05 GMT Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I think it is fairly obvious
Dear Lacemakers,
The discussion of the merits of diagrams, etc. (and introducing originality)
comes on the heels of two weeks of pouring over a lace collection with lace
identification experts - attempting to accurately describe and identify as many
individual items as possible.
Imagine the
From: Tamara P. Duvall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
I've just had a private message from Leonard (not yet answered; sorry g),
musing on the advantages/disadvantges of diagrams. I agree with him up to a
point: diagrams do clip our wings, and limit our imagination/flexibility;
they ossify our lace,
I like diagrams a lot too. I agree it's a good idea to try to change things to
get the effect you like instead of just following the pattern exactly, but
first I'd like to know how whoever made the pattern did it, since they probably
have a better idea of what they're doing than I do... And even
Robin and Tamara and all
I think we've had similar discussions on the usefulness of diagrams before.
I think in this matter I'm closer to Robin's view than Tamara's. It may be
a function of the kinds of lace we are trying to make.
In learning a traditional form of lace which has a recognized set
Another thing diagrams are very useful for is when using threads in different
colors - I can just go over the diagram with a colored pencil and I know where
all of my threads are going, and I can fiddle if I'd prefer them to go somewhere
else. Much harder with verbal descriptions...
Weronika
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