[lace] roseground

2005-05-22 Thread J.Falkink-Pol
A french site has very good pictures. Some pages I had to try a few times
until they worked.

http://perso.wanadoo.fr/aplimouzin/frame.html
select cours from the menu
under etudes des fond press the button lancer le cours
or try directly http://perso.wanadoo.fr/aplimouzin/fonds/

select: fonds de mariage

Jo Falkink

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[lace] lace in fashion

2005-05-22 Thread Carolina de la Guardia

Hello all,
As the list is very quiet, I take the opportunity to comment that some 
days ago, a Galician fashion designer, contact me asking me for people 
which can produce laces. It seems that next autum-winter fashion 2006, 
laces will be the most on complements, collars and insertions.

So...lets go to make lace and be in fashion!

Regards from a sunny Barcelona.

Carolina.

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[lace] Browsers -was roseground

2005-05-22 Thread Brenda Paternoster

A strange website!

I clicked on cours and then etudes des fond and then lancer le 
cours
and got an error page telling me that the browser I'm using is too old 
and that I should update to IE 5.5 (for Windows)


That happened with Safari 1.3, Internet Explorer 5.2.3 for Mac, 
Netscape7 - all current versions.
I know that there is rivalry between browser makers/writers/publishers 
but in general it's not good practice to make a site inaccesible to a 
lot of potential visitors.  What is it that IE 5.5 for Windows can do 
that 5.2 for Mac can't?


Brenda

On 21 May 2005, at 16:24, J.Falkink-Pol wrote:

A french site has very good pictures. Some pages I had to try a few 
times

until they worked.

http://perso.wanadoo.fr/aplimouzin/frame.html
select cours from the menu
under etudes des fond press the button lancer le cours
or try directly http://perso.wanadoo.fr/aplimouzin/fonds/

select: fonds de mariage

Jo Falkink

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Re: [lace] Browsers -was roseground

2005-05-22 Thread Brenda Paternoster
What's more the page http://perso.wanadoo.fr/aplimouzin/frame.html; 
won't validate with W3C. it gives the message


Sorry, I am unable to validate this document because on line 5 it 
contained one or more bytes that I cannot interpret as  utf-8 (in 
other words, the bytes found are not valid values in the specified 
Character Encoding). Please check both the content of the file and the 
character encoding indication.


Brenda

On 22 May 2005, at 11:08, Brenda Paternoster wrote:


A strange website!

I clicked on cours and then etudes des fond and then lancer le 
cours
and got an error page telling me that the browser I'm using is too old 
and that I should update to IE 5.5 (for Windows)


That happened with Safari 1.3, Internet Explorer 5.2.3 for Mac, 
Netscape7 - all current versions.
I know that there is rivalry between browser makers/writers/publishers 
but in general it's not good practice to make a site inaccesible to a 
lot of potential visitors.  What is it that IE 5.5 for Windows can do 
that 5.2 for Mac can't?


Brenda

On 21 May 2005, at 16:24, J.Falkink-Pol wrote:

A french site has very good pictures. Some pages I had to try a few 
times

until they worked.

http://perso.wanadoo.fr/aplimouzin/frame.html
select cours from the menu
under etudes des fond press the button lancer le cours
or try directly http://perso.wanadoo.fr/aplimouzin/fonds/

select: fonds de mariage

Jo Falkink

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[lace] Re: Browsers -was roseground

2005-05-22 Thread J.Falkink-Pol
 ...
 but in general it's not good practice to make a site inaccesible to a
 lot of potential visitors.

It's a choice of the webmaster whether he/she considers something like 1-5%
as a lot.

 What is it that IE 5.5 for Windows can do
 that 5.2 for Mac can't?
 ...
 Brenda

Andre-Piere Limouzin is using modern techniques like XML and VML. These
techniques are not yet widely supported. I already tried to explain him he
should do the translation from XML to HTML before publishing the pages, but
failed to convince him, perhaps if more complain... He does speak English
but he explained me English emails are likely to be ignored (considered
spam).
As for the utf-8 Character Encoding, that might be caused by being French.

I'm using myself VML on http://www.xs4all.nl/~falkink/lace/grid-NL.html
only supported by MS-IE 5.0 and newer. This technique creates pictures that
are razorsharp on paper and at any scale. There is an alternative for VML
but then visitors have to install something similar to acrobat reader for
PDF files. So I had a choice: disappoint some of my vistors for a small part
of my site, or enforce all to download software, which they usually won't
do: afraid of trouble, too 'puter-illiterate or too lazy.

Jo Falkink


 On 21 May 2005, at 16:24, J.Falkink-Pol wrote:

  http://perso.wanadoo.fr/aplimouzin/frame.html
  select cours from the menu
  under etudes des fond press the button lancer le cours

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Re: [lace] Browsers -was roseground

2005-05-22 Thread Helen
Ooh, I really don't like it when people do this - it also doesn't work with 
Mozilla 1.7.7 which was only released a couple of months ago! :-o


Helen in a very damp Somerset, UK

At 11:08 22/05/2005, Brenda Paternoster wrote:


A strange website!

I clicked on cours and then etudes des fond and then lancer le cours
and got an error page telling me that the browser I'm using is too old and 
that I should update to IE 5.5 (for Windows)


That happened with Safari 1.3, Internet Explorer 5.2.3 for Mac, Netscape7 
- all current versions.
I know that there is rivalry between browser makers/writers/publishers but 
in general it's not good practice to make a site inaccesible to a lot of 
potential visitors.  What is it that IE 5.5 for Windows can do that 5.2 
for Mac can't?


Brenda



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RE: [lace] Browsers -was roseground

2005-05-22 Thread C. Johnson
The technology world is every changing.

The Internet has changed remarkably since the invention of Internet Explorer
3.1 and unfortunately, many things now available NEEDS Internet Explorer 5.5
or better.  Internet Explorer Version 6 is on  my machine now.

That is just the way it is...  I hate to say it, -- get on board the new one
or be left behind -- but that is the way of it.  New techniques and
advantages are in 5.5 that are not in 3.1  and those new things are great
additions.  They also speed up your access a wee bit.

I say Upgrade Ladies!

Susie from Morris Illinois.
http://cjohnson0969.home.comcast.net/

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What's more the page http://perso.wanadoo.fr/aplimouzin/frame.html;
won't validate with W3C. it gives the message

 Sorry, I am unable to validate this document because on line 5 it
 contained one or more bytes that I cannot interpret as  utf-8 (in
 other words, the bytes found are not valid values in the specified
 Character Encoding). Please check both the content of the file and the
 character encoding indication.

Brenda

On 22 May 2005, at 11:08, Brenda Paternoster wrote:

 A strange website!

 I clicked on cours and then etudes des fond and then lancer le
 cours
 and got an error page telling me that the browser I'm using is too old
 and that I should update to IE 5.5 (for Windows)

 That happened with Safari 1.3, Internet Explorer 5.2.3 for Mac,
 Netscape7 - all current versions.
 I know that there is rivalry between browser makers/writers/publishers
 but in general it's not good practice to make a site inaccesible to a
 lot of potential visitors.  What is it that IE 5.5 for Windows can do
 that 5.2 for Mac can't?

 Brenda

 On 21 May 2005, at 16:24, J.Falkink-Pol wrote:

 A french site has very good pictures. Some pages I had to try a few
 times
 until they worked.

 http://perso.wanadoo.fr/aplimouzin/frame.html
 select cours from the menu
 under etudes des fond press the button lancer le cours
 or try directly http://perso.wanadoo.fr/aplimouzin/fonds/

 select: fonds de mariage

 Jo Falkink

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Re: [lace] Browsers -was roseground

2005-05-22 Thread Ilske Thomsen
Sorry, but for MAC user the newest version is 5.2.3 and I can't see 
your site.

Ilske

Am 22. Mai 2005 um 15:53 schrieb C. Johnson:


The technology world is every changing.

The Internet has changed remarkably since the invention of Internet 
Explorer
3.1 and unfortunately, many things now available NEEDS Internet 
Explorer 5.5

or better.  Internet Explorer Version 6 is on  my machine now.

That is just the way it is...  I hate to say it, -- get on board the 
new one

or be left behind -- but that is the way of it.  New techniques and
advantages are in 5.5 that are not in 3.1  and those new things are 
great

additions.  They also speed up your access a wee bit.

I say Upgrade Ladies!

Susie from Morris Illinois.
http://cjohnson0969.home.comcast.net/

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Subject: Re: [lace] Browsers -was roseground


What's more the page http://perso.wanadoo.fr/aplimouzin/frame.html;
won't validate with W3C. it gives the message


Sorry, I am unable to validate this document because on line 5 it
contained one or more bytes that I cannot interpret as  utf-8 (in
other words, the bytes found are not valid values in the specified
Character Encoding). Please check both the content of the file and the
character encoding indication.


Brenda

On 22 May 2005, at 11:08, Brenda Paternoster wrote:


A strange website!

I clicked on cours and then etudes des fond and then lancer le
cours
and got an error page telling me that the browser I'm using is too old
and that I should update to IE 5.5 (for Windows)

That happened with Safari 1.3, Internet Explorer 5.2.3 for Mac,
Netscape7 - all current versions.
I know that there is rivalry between browser makers/writers/publishers
but in general it's not good practice to make a site inaccesible to a
lot of potential visitors.  What is it that IE 5.5 for Windows can do
that 5.2 for Mac can't?

Brenda

On 21 May 2005, at 16:24, J.Falkink-Pol wrote:


A french site has very good pictures. Some pages I had to try a few
times
until they worked.

http://perso.wanadoo.fr/aplimouzin/frame.html
select cours from the menu
under etudes des fond press the button lancer le cours
or try directly http://perso.wanadoo.fr/aplimouzin/fonds/

select: fonds de mariage

Jo Falkink

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[lace] Browsers - was roseground

2005-05-22 Thread Jean Nathan

Susie wrote:

That is just the way it is...  I hate to say it, -- get on board the new 
one

or be left behind -- but that is the way of it.  New techniques and
advantages are in 5.5 that are not in 3.1  and those new things are great
additions.  They also speed up your access a wee bit.

I say Upgrade Ladies!

And what about those whose machine specification won't support it? (Mine 
will.) Not everyone can afford to upgrade their computer, and, in any case, 
if it does mostly what they want it too, why should anyone try and make 
them? And as for not supporting anything other than Internet Explorer - well 
the web page writers have obviously got shares in Microsoft and want to 
encourage Bill Gates' monopoly trying to stop anyone having a Mac or being 
able to choose which browser they prefer.


If I can't access a web page, then that's just tough on the author of it - 
they could be missing out on business from me, but then that's their loss 
not mine.


Jean in Poole 


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RE: [lace] Browsers - was roseground

2005-05-22 Thread liz thackray
Susie wrote:

That is just the way it is...  I hate to say it, -- get on board the new
one or be left behind -- but that is the way of it.  New techniques and
advantages are in 5.5 that are not in 3.1  and those new things are great
additions.  They also speed up your access a wee bit.

Jean wrote:

And what about those whose machine specification won't support it? (Mine
will.) Not everyone can afford to upgrade their computer, and, in any case,
if it does mostly what they want it too, why should anyone try and make
them? And as for not supporting anything other than Internet Explorer - well
the web page writers have obviously got shares in Microsoft and want to
encourage Bill Gates' monopoly trying to stop anyone having a Mac or being
able to choose which browser they prefer.

This seems a bit of an unfair slight on web designers and writers.  Back in
1990 when Tim Berners-Lee invented the world wide web and the language for
the web - html - all he envisaged was a system for document retrieval and
interlinking.  The language used for writing web pages was text based (could
be produced in NotePad or any other text editor) and there was no thought of
including images.  For good or ill - and there are arguments both ways -
over the last 15 or so years the web has grown exponentially and the
original text browsers like the original Mozilla (later Netscape) have
become more sophisticated in order to read the pages being written by web
designers.  Web designers have an interest in pushing the boundaries and
there is a cyclical effect of more sophisticated pages needing more
sophisticated software encouraging the development of more sophisticated
pages. Some designers will continue to produce simple html pages alongside
and as an alternative to their other offerings and others consider this an
inefficient use of time.  It has little or nothing to do with support for
the Microsoft empire - there is little or nothing that will not display
equally well on any of the cutting edge browsers be they IE, Firefox, Opera,
etc.  In advising a user that an upgrade is necessary in order to read a
webpage, the designer is simply being realistic about what will work on what
and is using programming techniques to recognise which browser is in use.
In the case cited at the start of this thread, it is interesting only IE 5.5
was required rather than the current version. Clearly not everybody is able
or willing to run all the most up-to-date software, but that does not imply
anything sinister in being at the cutting edge of technology.

Apologies that this has little to do with lace, but much to do with recent
technological history.  Though come to think of it, isn't the Lace Guild now
offering an RSS feed...

Cheers

Liz

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re: [lace] Browsers -was roseground

2005-05-22 Thread Jean Leader

Brenda Paternoster wrote:


A strange website!

I clicked on cours and then etudes des fond and then lancer le
cours
and got an error page telling me that the browser I'm using is too old
and that I should update to IE 5.5 (for Windows)

That happened with Safari 1.3, Internet Explorer 5.2.3 for Mac,
Netscape7 - all current versions.
I know that there is rivalry between browser makers/writers/publishers
but in general it's not good practice to make a site inaccesible to a
lot of potential visitors.  What is it that IE 5.5 for Windows can do
that 5.2 for Mac can't?


The site uses dynamic HTML which has been written in terms of the 
Microsoft version of the Document Object Model (DOM). If it had been 
written better (or later than 2002-3) it would have provided 
alternatives for the standards version of the DOM which I believe 
Firefox and Safari follow, as professional modern sites that employ 
this technology do. It turns out that the Mac version of IE doesn't 
work on the pages either http://perso.wanadoo.fr/aplimouzin/fonds/, 
but it would never have had a chance to try, as the checking script 
that is invoked when you hit the button locks out any browser that 
isn't Internet Explorer of version number 5.5 or higher.


David

PS
And, no, the page doesn't validate because the person that scripted 
it makes no pretence that it conforms to any standards - it's written 
to work with one brand of browser on one platform, which it does.


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[lace] Pattern for bobbin lace classes

2005-05-22 Thread eberhard . dewille
Dear Arachneans,

finally I decided to advertise a beginners course in bobbin lace in autumn. I 
would like 
to know, which patterns/prickings you use in the courses you teach?
Do you draw your own prickings and your own course? (Copyright reasons) or what 
could I use? 
I don't think it is realistic to ask the beginners before they even have a 
first go to by a 
printed course book.

Thanks for your help.
Martina in Germany

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Re: [lace] Pattern for bobbin lace classes

2005-05-22 Thread Sue Clemenger

I'm emerging from serious lurkdom, hereg
I took an online bobbin lace class a couple of years ago from Bjarne, 
who, I think, also lurks on this list.  If I recall correctly, he used 
some of his own designs, as well as some historical ones.  I also had 
access to some books on bobbin lace that were relatively inexpensive and 
relatively easily available, at least here in the US.  I don't have any 
idea what would be available in Germany, or in Europe-in-general, let 
alone things that are oriented for non-English speakers (I've only got 
two non-English lace books [both Danish] and even they've got some 
English text).  If there's a relatively inexpensive book available to 
you, perhaps you could use that? Or internet sources, if your students 
are likely to have internet access? Or perhaps patterns that are 
copyright free?
It also occurs to me that perhaps you could make arrangements with local 
museums, if you have any that have lace in their collections. 
Sometimes, they'll allow things for educational purposes that they 
wouldn't otherwise.
Most of the beginner-oriented stuff I've seen here in the US seems to 
start folks off with some form of Torchon lace, probably because it's 
relatively coarse and easy to learn.  Starting with work on short bits 
appropriate for use as bookmarks, and working through simple edgings to 
more complex ones

Hope this helps
Sue in Montana (NW corner of the US), where she doesn't have nearly 
enough time for her lace making, because she made the mistake of 
discovering how fun it is to spin and weave her own fabrics;o)


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Dear Arachneans,

finally I decided to advertise a beginners course in bobbin lace in autumn. I would like 
to know, which patterns/prickings you use in the courses you teach?
Do you draw your own prickings and your own course? (Copyright reasons) or what 
could I use? 
I don't think it is realistic to ask the beginners before they even have a first go to by a 
printed course book.


Thanks for your help.
Martina in Germany



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[lace] Pattern for bobbin lace classes

2005-05-22 Thread Jane Partridge
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finally I decided to advertise a beginners course in bobbin lace in autumn. I 
would like 
to know, which patterns/prickings you use in the courses you teach?

I use my own patterns, or those for which I have obtained permission to
use (in which case the students are asked to buy their own copy). 

Does the German Lace Guild produce anything in the same way that The
Lace Guild in the UK does? The guild's book Introduction to Torchon
Lace is less than five pounds, so I don't have any problems with asking
students to buy it. At least then they have a back up (along with the
handouts I have produced on various techniques) for working at home. You
will, I assume, need something with the text in German!

Sorting out your own paperwork in advance, and planning the basis of
your course (which may or may not be thoroughly revised after the first
session with the students) at least gives you a chance to plan what you
are intending to teach them, to work out what you can reasonably expect
of them (remember they will all learn and work at differing speeds!) and
give you an idea of what you need to take with you (if the class is to
be away from home) or get out ready on the day. 

It is also a good idea to consider insurance - you will need liability
cover, and if you are teaching at home, consider whether this has any
implications on your household insurance and any restrictions on
lease/rental agreements etc. In the UK we can insure our classes through
the Guild, as long as we are Guild members.
-- 
Jane Partridge


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[lace] roseground

2005-05-22 Thread rick sharon
A very good sight for beginners (which hasn't been mentioned) is
http://www.gwydir.demon.co.uk/jo/lace/othergr.htm   Lots of good lessons
there with animation showing where bobbins move.Sharon  on rainy (like a
monsoon) Vancouver Island



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[lace] Re: Browsers -was roseground

2005-05-22 Thread Tamara P Duvall

On May 22, 2005, at 9:16, J.Falkink-Pol wrote:

It's a choice of the webmaster whether he/she considers something like 
1-5%

as a lot.


Brenda wrote:
got an error page telling me that the browser I'm using is too old and 
that I should update to IE 5.5 (for Windows)
That happened with Safari 1.3, Internet Explorer 5.2.3 for Mac, 
Netscape7 - all current versions.


 And Helen wrote:
it also doesn't work with Mozilla 1.7.7 which was only released a 
couple of months ago! :-o


So I didn't even try it with Mozilla (my primary browser, updated 
regularly), but set the Firefox on it (also brand new) and it, too 
refused to work.


That's *5* browsers, all of them more stable than the Internet 
Explorer, for which reason they're recommended by most 
computer-knowledgeable people and quite popular. So I really think that 
between them they're likely to be used by much more than 1-1.5% of 
Internet-connected people.


And then David explained:
the checking script that is invoked when you hit the button locks out 
any browser that isn't Internet Explorer of version number 5.5 or 
higher.


That's *any* browser other than a newish Explorer, and that an Explorer 
for Windows only, not the one for Mac, however new.


So, simply updating a browser (as Susie from Illinois suggested) 
would't do a blind bit of good; I'd have to buy a new 'puter first, and 
make sure it ran off Windows. Which I won't do, as I switched to Mac 
for the very reason I hated the 'puter when I was using Windows. Since 
I've switched, I don't hate it anymore. Even though I'm no more 'puter 
literate now than I had been 3 yrs ago... :)


Perhaps Jean Nathan (in Poole) is right, and the writer has shares in 
Microsoft :) It wouldn't be the first time Microsoft tried to 
manipulate the market so as to assure itself of monopoly (remember the 
Java scandal?). But I think, in the long run, David's explanation:


If it had been written better (or later than 2002-3) it would have 
provided alternatives for the standards version of the DOM which I 
believe Firefox and Safari follow, as professional modern sites that 
employ this technology do.


is probably the correct one: poor and outdated (rather than updated) 
writing is the culprit. Or else the writer is someone with an 
overweening ego: take my way, or the highway... Well, I'm happy to 
take the highway; there are more interesting people there to meet  :)


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Lexington, Virginia, USA (Formerly of Warsaw, Poland)

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[lace] Another Ebay Bobbin lace bobbin...

2005-05-22 Thread Laurie Hughes
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemcategory=60201item=7324835059
rd=1

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[lace] Re: Another Ebay lace bobbin...

2005-05-22 Thread Tamara P Duvall

On May 22, 2005, at 21:18, Laurie Hughes wrote:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? 
ViewItemcategory=60201item=7324835059

rd=1


Extremely rare is right :) And, I always thought that a Stanhope  
was some kind of a horse-pulled vehicle, but it seems to mean a  
spangle here?

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[lace-chat] :) Fwd: Nag, nag, nag

2005-05-22 Thread Tamara P Duvall

New (to me anyway), and superb; I laughed so hard I cried...


From: S.M.


An attorney got home late one evening, after a very taxing day spent
trying to get a stay of execution for a client, named Wright, who
was due to be hanged for murder at midnight. His last-minute plea
for clemency to the governor had failed and he was feeling worn
out and depressed.

As soon as he got through the door at home, his wife started on
him about, What time of night do you call this? Where have you
been? and on and on. Too shattered to play his usual role in this
familiar ritual, he went and poured himself a shot of whiskey and
headed off for a long hot soak in the bathtub pursued by the
predictable sarcastic remarks.

While he was in the bath, the phone rang. The wife answered and was
told that her husband's client had been granted his stay of execution
after all.  Finally realizing what a day he must have had, she decided
to go upstairs to give him the good news.  As she opened the bathroom
door, she was greeted by the sight of her husband's rear end as he was
bent over naked, drying his legs and feet.  They're not hanging Wright
tonight, she said.

He whirled around and screamed,FOR CRYING OUT LOUD, WOMAN, DON'T  YOU
EVER STOP!

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