[lace] katrina
Dear people in Louisiana, Missisippi, Alabama, from suffering New Orleans and destroyed Biloxy, my heart and thoughts are with you. I still remember my sister shoveling sand in flooded Dresden only three years ago, trying in vane to defend a school against the water, leaving the city at the last possible moment with husband and two children, wading beside the car over the flooded bridge to find where the road was. But this, and the drowned valleys in bavaria, austria and switzerland were nothing against what you suffer. How dreadful sad, and even sader that those who help are in danger from the mob, from those who try to get a personal advantage from such a desaster. I hope you get help, hope your President is strong enough to accept foreign help (generators, helicopters, whatever might be useful). Most of our today's newspapers found harsh words about Mr Trittin's really disgusting comments. In this moment, it's absolutly unimportend wether he might be right or wrong or whatever. It's just not the time for anything besides solidarity, grief, and help where possible. Like the newspapers and myself, most of my friends and collegueas are ashamed of this politician (not for the first time). We are sad about so many lost lifes and destroyed homes and broken dreams. In our plant in Mobile, Alabama, no collegueas are missing, but some lost their homes, afak. The company doubles every donation from employees (as was done after the tsunami in december). Money can't substitute anything lost. Only perhaps prevent further losses. Please, don't mistake the lousy words of one bad politician for the large majority of a country or a continent. In one world, such a tragedy has a meaning for all. So sorry for all who suffer, from hurrican and too much water, or too little water and food elsewhere. Eva, from Germany - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Honiton (was that table ribbon)
Hi, I Have done Honiton in colour with Caroline Biggins at a course in Dartingrton. I made a rose in yellow and green and used Piper's silk for it. The result was beautiful and everyone admired it. Thinking now about it perhaps I should have enlarged it a tiny bit, but also the original worked well. Luckily a have a scan of the piece because I don't know where I have placed my rose. It is in the hourse and hiding together with my pricker. Miriam in Israel Tamara wrote: Granted, I've never seen Honiton (regular, micro or macro) made in more than one colour but the advanced people need a challenge too, no? (or should it be non?, given the venue of the Convention? g) Anyone who went to The Lace Guild's Myth and Mystery exhibition will tell you that there was Honiton lace in colour, including The Green Man which was used for a cover of Lace. There were also some examples in more traditional white, which used a coloured coarse thread - often a metallic. - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [lace] katrina
Dear Eva, This isn't exactly lace, but as you have offered your comments ... As one American, I thank you for your kind words. I personally feel very upset at the apparent lack of planning and urgency in responding to the growing crisis -- especially on our federal level. And news about the offers of international aid, and reluctance of our government to accept, was burried deep in our Boston newspaper -- so I think most people don't even know that we could have the use of extra helicopters, for instance, from Canada. Many countries have offered resources. Meanwhile, people have no water, no waste facilities, no food, and are stranded in 90+ degree heat. Mr. Trittin's words aren't known to most people -- I hadn't seen a whisper of it and had to search on line. I have to say that although his words are harsh, and his timing is not good, similar things are being uttered by Americans here -- just tempered by a lot of sympathy and dismay. We do need to confront reality, and it **is** going to be painful. Regards, Carolyn Carolyn Hastings Stow, MA USA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eva Von Der Bey Sent: Friday, September 02, 2005 3:13 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [lace] katrina Dear people in Louisiana, Missisippi, Alabama, from suffering New Orleans and destroyed Biloxy, my heart and thoughts are with you. I still remember my sister shoveling sand in flooded Dresden only three years ago, trying in vane to defend a school against the water, leaving the city at the last possible moment with husband and two children, wading beside the car over the flooded bridge to find where the road was. But this, and the drowned valleys in bavaria, austria and switzerland were nothing against what you suffer. How dreadful sad, and even sader that those who help are in danger from the mob, from those who try to get a personal advantage from such a desaster. I hope you get help, hope your President is strong enough to accept foreign help (generators, helicopters, whatever might be useful). Most of our today's newspapers found harsh words about Mr Trittin's really disgusting comments. In this moment, it's absolutly unimportend wether he might be right or wrong or whatever. It's just not the time for anything besides solidarity, grief, and help where possible. Like the newspapers and myself, most of my friends and collegueas are ashamed of this politician (not for the first time). We are sad about so many lost lifes and destroyed homes and broken dreams. In our plant in Mobile, Alabama, no collegueas are missing, but some lost their homes, afak. The company doubles every donation from employees (as was done after the tsunami in december). Money can't substitute anything lost. Only perhaps prevent further losses. Please, don't mistake the lousy words of one bad politician for the large majority of a country or a continent. In one world, such a tragedy has a meaning for all. So sorry for all who suffer, from hurrican and too much water, or too little water and food elsewhere. Eva, from Germany - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Macro-Honiton
Does anyone know how much one would have to 'blow it up', as in what % of increase, this would be? I have seen some beautiful Honiton patterns that I would like to do in a larger size. Lorri Take Debbie Beaver's class on Honiton Big and Bold! She takes a traditional Honiton flower and blows it up to work it in sewing-machine thread (50/3 cotton?) in your choice of 3 colors. THen you go on to other traditional shapes, like assorted leaves (botanical, not tallies), still in sewing-machine thread and color. This gives the novice a chance to learn the techniques of Honiton without the frustration of dealing with ultra-fine thread at the same time (for novices, the techniques and the fine thread are probably both new). Robin P. - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] That table ribbon - Books
In a message dated 9/1/05 11:13:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have run across a book in my library with a print date of 2002 in Denmark by Brigit Poulsen titled LAY THE TABLE-WITH BOBBIN LACE. It has every thing from table runners to napkins to placemats,etc,etc. The lace is beautiful and not only for the contest but I am going to do it for my own table. It has been stuck on one of my book shelves and I am happy to have found it and using it. Thanks to Brigit and happy lacing to all you gentle Spiders. Mary Derrick Southern Regional Director or Jacksonville ,FL Dear Lacemakers and IOLI Volunteer Officers Volunteer Directors, Thank you, Mary! Here, we have a problem of lack of informative printed material for a contest that mainly involves U.S. or Canadian members of IOLI. These members are most likely to have a second language of French or Spanish. Yet, the custom of use of the lace table ribbons seems to be in Germany, Denmark, etc. Interesting challenge! --- A couple weeks ago, Tess recommended Ursula Stadtke's hardback book Nordische Tischbander or Nordiske Festremser or Nordiska Festremsor. These titles reflect the 3 languages of the book - German, Danish, Swedish. This was published by Barbara Fay in Germany in 1997, ISBN 3-925184-77-5, and I paid $29 for the book in 2003 - exchange rate would make it more expensive now. (Van Sciver offers at $35.) The cover photo is of a round table (white linen tablecloth) with a blue table ribbon in the shape of an X. The ends drop down at the edge by one motif, with pointed ends decorated by woven blue ribbon bows. I think it would be helpful to lacemakers to see a picture! Perhaps someone with the book could put the picture of this cover on a web site? An experienced lacemaker could adapt patterns - prickings - in this book for use in the contest.. Some of the designs are quite fantastic. I am going to try to type a shape of one of the table ribbons, but do not know what shape they will be in when you receive them. Besides the X, there is the shape of a tick-tac-toe grid (a pencil and paper game played in U.S.): | | |---| |---| | | Another grid goes out so there are 3 vertical lace ribbons and 3 horizontal lace ribbons based on the above idea to make a square, and there is one that is shaped with rectangles to fit a long table, instead of a square one. *These do not fit the Contest Rules*, but it gives an idea of how far some lacemakers have developed the concept of table ribbons. Intermediate to advanced lacemakers who do not need to read explanatory text may enjoy a hardback book which has lovely table linens, published by Deutscher Kloppelverband e.V., Germany. It is Spitzenmenu - Ein Kloppelbuch fur Tisch und Tafel, 2000, ISBN 3-934210-24-4, cost 74 Euros at the table of the German lacemakers, in Prague, 2004. (Mail costs would be high, because it is printed on glossy heavy paper and is 8 1/2 x 12). It was written by a group of lacemakers in Germany and is in German language. It covers many types of table linens, and has a history section (it is most frustrating to be unable to read the text) with reproductions of paintings, from Renaissance period forward, of banquets and table settings. Lots of interesting contemporary laces for the table are offered. There is a pattern pack in the back, and some pricking patterns within the text that could be adapted for the contest. --- I suggest you might try to borrow from InterLibrary Loan at your local public library (which has the capability to borrow a book from any library in the U.S. - or beyond - which has it). The prickings in these books could be easily adapted to length and width of Contest Rules. Ask your librarian for assistance -- I have given the information you might need to order these for viewing! This service is offered in many nations, perhaps by different names, as I wrote in a long memo about InterLibrary Loans about 5 years ago. This is the same service that scholars in universities use. You may have to pay mailing fees between the libraries. Usually, you are allowed to make copies of some pages - for education purposes. This depends on the condition of the book. Rare books must be read in the local library; they cannot be taken out. As a service, we have an IOLI lending library. It would be beneficial if someone (Librarian? Contest Chairman?) close to the issue would go through the library and find any books on the subject. Then, contest entrants need reviews, which for speed could be put on the IOLI Web Site with the contest guidelines. These 3 books do not appear to be in the IOLI Library lists, though I may have searched the wrong way. If there are funds budgeted to purchase books, and if the library receives a lot of requests to borrow books, perhaps someone would do research as to which
[lace] New lace guild web site(DP)
Dear Lacemakers, I belong to two guilds in Illinois and I have the pleasure to announce that Lacemakers and Collectors Exchange (L.A.C.E.) now have a website. This has been under construction for quite some time and with the able help of Carol Melton, a past member who now lives in Arizona, we have a very attractive site, IMHO. Carol was the graphic artist who designed our logo of the purple bobbin and shuttle years ago. She designed the website and once it was up and running, handed it off to Sue Raymond. Sue is our Webmistress and is responsible for making changes such as updating the events pages, which she has done now for our September meeting. Please go and have a look, some links are still under construction. Let me know if you have any problems viewing the site and I will pass the info on. http://www.lacemakersofillinois.org/cal.html Janice Blair President, LACE Janice Blair Crystal Lake, 50 miles northwest of Chicago, Illinois, USA - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] New lace guild web site(DP)
Very, very nice web site. One suggestion, though. The URL you supplied brings up only the calendar page. A better starting point would be: http://www.lacemakersofillinois.org/index Thanks for sharing this site with us. Lovely stuff! Catchy name, too. Barbara Joyce Snoqualmie, WA USA Dear Lacemakers, I belong to two guilds in Illinois and I have the pleasure to announce that Lacemakers and Collectors Exchange (L.A.C.E.) now have a website. This has been under construction for quite some time and with the able help of Carol Melton, a past member who now lives in Arizona, we have a very attractive site, IMHO. Carol was the graphic artist who designed our logo of the purple bobbin and shuttle years ago. She designed the website and once it was up and running, handed it off to Sue Raymond. Sue is our Webmistress and is responsible for making changes such as updating the events pages, which she has done now for our September meeting. Please go and have a look, some links are still under construction. Let me know if you have any problems viewing the site and I will pass the info on. http://www.lacemakersofillinois.org/cal.html Janice Blair President, LACE Janice Blair Crystal Lake, 50 miles northwest of Chicago, Illinois, USA - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [lace] That table ribbon - Books
Another source is Ulrike Loehr Voelcker's new book Dick durch Dünn (Thick through thin) it's $34.95 at Van Sciver has lots of ribbon shaped things. Two colors already in place. Long Ribbons of different grounds with elaborate gimp workings. I think an intermediate to advanced beginner could do these patterns. Lace In Peace, Laurie Disclosure - she cites me as helping with the English translation for which I am grateful, but I don't profit from it's sale. - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Macro-Honiton
On 2 Sep 2005, at 15:42, Lorri Ferguson wrote: Does anyone know how much one would have to 'blow it up', as in what % of increase, this would be? I have seen some beautiful Honiton patterns that I would like to do in a larger size. You probably need about 8 or 9 wraps of thread between pinholes. If your 50/3 sewing cotton measures, say, 30 wraps/cm then you need to enlarge the pricking so the the pinhole spacing is on average 2.8mm. Can't be more specific than that as it depends on what the pinhole spacing is on the original, but sectional laces do have more room for manoever as pairs are added/subtracted as necessary. Brenda Lorri Take Debbie Beaver's class on Honiton Big and Bold! She takes a traditional Honiton flower and blows it up to work it in sewing-machine thread (50/3 cotton?) in your choice of 3 colors. THen you go on to other traditional shapes, like assorted leaves (botanical, not tallies), still in sewing-machine thread and color. This gives the novice a chance to learn the techniques of Honiton without the frustration of dealing with ultra-fine thread at the same time (for novices, the techniques and the fine thread are probably both new). Robin P. - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brenda http://paternoster.orpheusweb.co.uk/ - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Honiton, enlarged
Honiton patterns originally sized for 180/2 cotton (as, for instance, in Susanne Thompson's books), can be worked in DMC Broder Machine (Retors D'Alsace) 150 cotton (with gimp size 40 sewing thread) if the pattern is increased by 50%: that is, set the copier to 150%. Colored threads equivalent to that DMC thread should work as well. --- Doris O'Neill--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] EarthLink: The #1 provider of the Real Internet. - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Corrected address for web site (DP)
Forwarding this suggestion as I was unable to make my computer save the correct address and I copied and pasted from the page I was on. Janice Janice I think you need to send this URL other wise it takes you directly to the calendar page instead of the home page. http://www.lacemakersofillinois.org/ Janice Blair Crystal Lake, 50 miles northwest of Chicago, Illinois, USA - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] IOLI contest entries
Hi everyone (we may have to chip in for customs duty, as well as overweight luggage I do not think that pieces belonging to someone else that you cart across the border into Canada would be taxable or dutiable - unless IOLI is going to sell them? It is worth investigating from 'your end' ahead of time. It might be like a travelling exhibit as from a museum or art gallery - forms to fill out, and time taken up, but I don't think money is involved. The overweight part, well - that is the carrier's problem - if there is a lot of stuff to bring into the country, a broker might be the better route. just some free advice... bye for now Bev in Sooke BC (on Vancouver Island, west coast of Canada) - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] IOLI contest entries
In a message dated 9/2/05 7:28:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I do not think that pieces belonging to someone else that you cart across the border into Canada would be taxable or dutiable - unless IOLI is going to sell them? It is worth investigating from 'your end' ahead of time. It might be like a travelling exhibit as from a museum or art gallery - forms to fill out, and time taken up, but I don't think money is involved. The overweight part, well - that is the carrier's problem - if there is a lot of stuff to bring into the country, a broker might be the better route. just some free advice... bye for now Bev in Sooke BC (on Vancouver Island, west coast of Canada) Dear Lacemakers, This suddenly reminded me of the Australian museum collection of Palestinian costumes that were taken from a curator escorting them - to a back room for examination in, if I remember correctly, Los Angeles airport. These disappeared right there, almost under the eyes of the curator. The costumes were coming in to the U.S. for a museum exhibition, and were stolen while in the custody of Customs. The story was fully reported on Arachne at the time. Might it be more sensible to arrange for a reliable person nearer Montreal, who will be driving over the border, to take the American contest entries? It is something to think about. I think everyone would rest easier if the contest entries were covered by insurance. Someone should be asking: Does IOLI have an insurance policy that would cover such an international trip for valuable laces? Jeri Ames in Maine USA Lace Embroidery Resource Center - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Re: IOLI contest entries
On Sep 2, 2005, at 19:25, Bev Walker wrote: I do not think that pieces belonging to someone else that you cart across the border into Canada would be taxable or dutiable Probably not, with the appropriate paperwork done ahead of time; I was funning. But, what about the (individual) entries that - as things stand now - Canadians would have to mail to US? With, possibly, several months of work involved (given the size of the piece), how many will be willing to tick off gift, under $15, on the custom's form? And then some entries may have to be brought back to US and sent back to the entrants in Canada, *doubling* the problems... Would make much better sense (IMO), if Canadians could stay within their own postal system. Back in my Polish childhood, we used to sing: a song knows no borders or barriers and it may be true of lace also, but I wouldn't trust the customs - either side of the border - to recognise the truth of it :) -- Tamara P Duvallhttp://t-n-lace.net/ Lexington, Virginia, USA (Formerly of Warsaw, Poland) - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] IOLI contest entries
In a message dated 9/2/2005 8:20:39 PM Mountain Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: is something to think about. I think everyone would rest easier if the contest entries were covered by insurance. Someone should be asking: Does IOLI have an insurance policy that would cover such an international trip for valuable laces? That's a good point. Since I have worked with the insurance industry, though, I think it might be difficult to establish suitable limits to cover the items, coming as they will from an indeterminate number of various makers, each of whom, no doubt, considers her/his entry as beyond replacement value, as wellJeri's point leads me to I wonder, does anyone know if something comparable has ever been addressed at former conventions, and, if so, how? It would be easier for each person who was concerned about potential loss to insure the entry individually, although less satisfactory, obviously, from the institutional (and possibly financial) standpoint Regards, Ricki Utah - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] IOLI contest entries - Insurance
In a message dated 9/2/05 10:35:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jeri's point leads me to I wonder, does anyone know if something comparable has ever been addressed at former conventions, and, if so, how? It would be easier for each person who was concerned about potential loss to insure the entry individually, although less satisfactory, obviously, from the institutional (and possibly financial) standpoint Yes, Ricki, But in my experience, not about an IOLI exhibition. I have been an officer of a local EGA Chapter. EGA (Embroiderers' Guild of America) has a blanket policy to cover entries in an exhibit. The entrants have to fill out a form with description, value, etc. and the person in charge has to submit the forms and exhibition details to headquarters in advance of the exhibit in order to be covered. Also, I curated a museum exhibition of antique laces. All were fully described and valued and the museum had them covered under their museum insurance policy from the moment they were in my hands until they were returned to owners - who signed a receipt they were returned in good condition.. These explanations from me are simple, because they do not have to be complicated for this discussion. Jeri Ames in Maine USA Lace Embroidery Resource Center - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Re: IOLI contest entries
On Sep 2, 2005, at 22:19, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Might it be more sensible to arrange for a reliable person nearer Montreal, who will be driving over the border, to take the American contest entries? It is something to think about. The *optimal* solution would, I think, be for *everyone* (US and non) to send their entries directly to Montreal, with as little fuss as possible (I never mail my own lace via registered mail, for example, on the principle the less obtrusive, the smoother the road. But then I never value my lace so highly that I'm willing to spend extra money for insurance - useless, as several pople have told me - or any other bells and whistles like registered mail. Which only slows things down by a couple of weeks g) But I don't think that's likely to happen... The reason entries are sent to the Contest Chairman (wherever the - willing - volunteer victim happens to be located) is so that they can be photographed well ahead of time. If they then hit the high spot (the prizes circle), everything's ready for the publication in the next Bulletin (because one's asked to send the *pattern and instructions* with the entry itself)... And there's no doubt that Debra (the Bulletin Editor *and* the Contest Chairman this year) is *superb* at photographing lace - I always leave it to her, and send pieces, rather than photos of them, when I submit a pattern for publication. Trying to photograph *all* the entries (hopefully, very many g) in Montreal would have her running ragged (and we do not want to have her burn out prematurely - she's the best thing that's happened to the Bulletin in a long time). Sending the entries to someone in US who's closer to Montreal and who's likely to be driving rather than flying there is, IMO, neither here nor there (even if we were able to locate such a person); Debra arrives in Montreal and still has to photograph them all, and test the outcome on some (borrowed) computer, while there's no guarantee that a bored customs officer doesn't make things difficult for the person who's transporting them (and, probably, 3 other lacemakers and their equipmnt, given the gas prices g) Sending *Canadian* entries to Montreal may end up being the best and most sensible compronise. Someone should be asking: Does IOLI have an insurance policy that would cover such an international trip for valuable laces? As far as I know, it doesn't. But, unlike the The Lace Guild/UK (which does have such insurance), while IOLI has a legal entity (enough to receive charitable status), it doesn't have permanent headquarters. It is staffed - entirely - by volunteers, so *all* locations (library, mebership, etc) change as the officers in charge change. The contact PO box (in Flanders NJ) is the only permanent factor in the whole jigsaw, and that only because someone - no longer the person who used to live in the vicinity - is willing to take a long trip every couple of weeks for the cause of lace... I doubt any insurance company would be willing to take a bet on such an iffy proposition... OTOH... If credit card companies were to pick up on the insurance business, who knows... :) They seem to be willing to issue cards to dogs off the street, as long as they can dictate their terms, and balance their risks/losses by charging the reliable people more... -- Tamara P Duvallhttp://t-n-lace.net/ Lexington, Virginia, USA (Formerly of Warsaw, Poland) - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Table bands
I've been browsing through my old collection of Anna magazines, and have found two lovely table bands. One is in April 1997 issue - a fairly simple Torchon piece when made in Linen 50/3 with 33 pairs of bobbins measures 8.5cm wide by 105 cm long. The other is in October 2000, and is more a combination of Beds leaves, plaits and picots. This one was made in 17/2 linen with 28 pairs of bobbins and measures 10 cm by about 100 cm. In this case the band has been mounted on a strip of linen fabric, but it would great just like it is. The length in both cases would, of course, be adjustable. I am pretty sure either of these bands would meet the criteria (both are a feast for the eyes, although of very simple design). Now, if I could only afford to belong to the IOLI as well as my Australian lace groups! Noelene in Cooma [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~nlafferty/ - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Re: Gossamer threads/evolution
At 10:06 PM 9/1/05 -0400, Tamara P Duvall wrote: Spider silk *is* the strongest fibre (per diameter) known, and very light for its bulk. There are attempts to reproduce it but, so far as I know, commercial production is not yet viable. I would suspect, if enough of them were plied together, they'd do more than stop a mortar shelll... They'd bounce it right back, like a rubber band g Ply *enough* threads together, and *any* fiber will stop a mortar shell. Thin air will stop a mortar shell if you have enough of it. But neither cotton nor air will make it *bounce*. On the other hand, I don't think silk could burn up a high-speed missile -- as you can see air doing any clear night, if you look up long enough. (Tried it in sleeping bags one night so we wouldn't get sore necks -- fell asleep before the show started.) -- Joy Beeson http://home.earthlink.net/~joybeeson/ http://home.earthlink.net/~dbeeson594/ROUGHSEW/ROUGH.HTM http://home.earthlink.net/~beeson_n3f/ west of Fort Wayne, Indiana, U.S.A. where lawn mowers stir up dust clouds. To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace-chat] Re: Gossamer threads/evolution
Tamara wrote, in part: Spider silk *is* the strongest fibre (per diameter) known, and very light for its bulk. There are attempts to reproduce it but, so far as I know, commercial production is not yet viable. I would suspect, if enough of them were plied together, they'd do more than stop a mortar shelll... They'd bounce it right back, like a rubber band g Interesting! Wouldn't that be something, if we could figure out how to spin spider webs into thread? That sounds like another suitable task for Arachne! :)) Geez, just think -- I could collect all those spider webs from around the hills here and spin them into gold! :))) I'll work on it, and report back if I make any progress! (It rmust require a VERY delicate touch and a VERY VERY lightweight spindle!!) Regards, Ricki Utah To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace-chat] smaller knitting needles
I actually recently cheaped out and bought thin wire and sanded down the ends. Got me 0.75 mm needles (I guess about a 6/0 in US sizes) for next to nothing with no shipping and a bit of sanding time. It worked for me. :) Heather -- who has planned a doiley on those needles in the very near future. - Original Message - From: Joy Beeson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 02, 2005 2:51 PM Subject: Re: [lace-chat] smaller knitting needles At 09:16 AM 8/31/05 -0400, Lynn Carpenter wrote: http://www.purseparadise.com/ http://www.baglady.com/ http://www.jklneedles.com/ http://www.mielkesfarm.com/ Bookmarked! I used to get my 1.5 mm needles at Patternworks http://www.patternworks.com/ , but they don't offer as wide a selection of tools as they used to and, having enough needles, I haven't checked lately. -- Joy Beeson To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace-chat] Re: Gossamer threads/evolution
Ricki, it was Rumplestiltskin who did the spinning into gold but it was straw, not spider webs LOL. If you figure out how to do it, however, let us all know ROTFLMAO as I'm sure there would be more than a few folks interested. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tamara wrote, in part: Interesting! Wouldn't that be something, if we could figure out how to spin spider webs into thread? That sounds like another suitable task for Arachne! :)) Geez, just think -- I could collect all those spider webs from around the hills here and spin them into gold! :))) I'll work on it, and report back if I make any progress! (It rmust require a VERY delicate touch and a VERY VERY lightweight spindle!!) Regards, Ricki Utah -- Ruth Omnia vincit Amor; et nos cedamus Amori. ~ Virgil To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace-chat] Language Evolution
I've lived in north Kent all my life and although that's not an expression I use I knew immediately what anything to go to the snob meant as I read your message. A snob is a shoemaker's last. My Little Oxford dictionary only gives the 'aspiring to social elevation' definition of snob but it does include the shoemaker's model definition of last Brenda On 2 Sep 2005, at 13:49, Malvary J Cole wrote: A couple of regional expressions that spring to mind, from opposite ends of the country - when I moved to west Kent (having grown up in east Kent) I was asked one day if I had anything to go to the snob. After querying this I discovered that it was the shoe menders. I don't know how widespread the expression is used, but certainly I'd never heard of it 70 or so miles to the east. I guess the explanation is easy to understand, if you needed to take shoes to the menders, then you weren't wearing wooden clogs, then you were well off, then you were a snob. Brenda http://paternoster.orpheusweb.co.uk/ To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Corrected address for web site (DP)
Forwarding this suggestion as I was unable to make my computer save the correct address and I copied and pasted from the page I was on. Janice Janice I think you need to send this URL other wise it takes you directly to the calendar page instead of the home page. http://www.lacemakersofillinois.org/ Janice Blair Crystal Lake, 50 miles northwest of Chicago, Illinois, USA To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Re: Language Evolution
On Sep 2, 2005, at 3:32, Jean Nathan wrote: The BBC had a series of programmes last week or so on the English language in the UK. It showed that language, especially among the young is changing very rapidly. If I listen to a conversation between 15 year-olds, I've got no idea what they're talking about - they use words I've not heard before and reverse the meaning of some of the words I thought I knew. That's why I specifically said that English hadn't changed much in the area of grammar. Vocabulary, especially slang words - as used by in-groups (be it teenagers, prisoners, or phusicists) - does change, frequently. But those words disappear as frequently, since, their purpose is not to communicate with the world at large, but with the specific in-group. I remember my parents not understanding half of what I said to my peers. By the time they began to get the drift and started to use some of those words, we changed them again, just to make them feel out of it :) But grammar is something else. The only firm change I can think of within the past 50 yrs is the usage of shall and will not only as being a difference in degree of intention but also something to do with person (singular, plural, first second, etc). Can't remember any of that circus because I never encountered it again. There's that iffy mode - can't even remember its proper name now - where you say if I were you; that's not used a whole lot though it's still taught. Another thing that's still taught (at least in the Brit textbooks for ESL) is reported speech (with its attendant change of tense). It used to be drummed into me for *years*, but I've not heard it much used here; when something someone said is reported, usually the direct quote is used. So you might say those are also on their way out, in the effort to streamline English further, make it easier for many people to use it, especially now that it's become the international language in the age of communication. What's long gone are cases (the only vestiges left are in personal pronouns and then only 4 cases are left. In some instances, not all), gender indicators (again, except for personal pronouns and an occasional noun) and number indicators. English didn't always have just the singular and plural, the way it does now. It used to have dual number and group number as well. Vestiges of group number are left in nouns like sheep, and, even more clearly, in fish - you have two different ways of expressing plurality of fish (fishes, as in bread and fishes and fish as in we saw a lot of different fish). Of dual number there's not a trace left, though one of the wits in my theoretical linguistics class at the U claimed that trousers was a case - singular up top, plural at the bottom, resulting in a plural ending to a single unit... :) Polish, OTOH, still happily uses dual number (if in very few instances) and group number, baffling foreigners who attempt to learn it... Which is why Polish'll never become the international language of communication :) Of course, the plethora of little do-dads - over the letters, under the letters - doesn't help either; one wonders how come both Latin and English managed to escape those altogehter :) Texting is a separate system of spelling on its own I wish I had enough brain cells left to follow the development of texting - it looks fascinating. But, when my son tried to give me an example (granted, texting is almost allien to him too, since he's 28 g), it left me totally baffled. All I'd want to learn how to text is: duh? -- Tamara P Duvallhttp://t-n-lace.net/ Lexington, Virginia, USA (Formerly of Warsaw, Poland) To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace-chat] Re: Language Evolution
On Fri, Sep 02, 2005 at 07:34:12PM -0400, Tamara P. Duvall wrote: Polish, OTOH, still happily uses dual number (if in very few instances) and group number, baffling foreigners who attempt to learn it... Which is why Polish'll never become the international language of communication :) Dual and group number, really? I can't think of any examples... Of course, the plethora of little do-dads - over the letters, under the letters - doesn't help either; one wonders how come both Latin and English managed to escape those altogehter :) Latin, by inventing their own alphabet; English, by just giving each word a randomly chosen Latin alphabet spelling in no way related to pronounciation... G Texting is a separate system of spelling on its own I wish I had enough brain cells left to follow the development of texting - it looks fascinating. But, when my son tried to give me an example (granted, texting is almost allien to him too, since he's 28 g), it left me totally baffled. All I'd want to learn how to text is: duh? What is texting? Weronika -- Weronika Patena Stanford, CA, USA http://vole.stanford.edu/weronika To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Re: Language Evolution/Polish
On Sep 2, 2005, at 19:38, Weronika Patena wrote: Dual and group number, really? I can't think of any examples... For the edification of everyone who doesn't speak Polish (but is burning to learn its intricacies), and you... :) Dual number: Oko (eye, singular) oczy (eyes,dual; used only in reference to eyes on living creatures who, usually, have two) oka (eyes, plural; used when referring to eyes in things like a fishing net) Ditto ucho-uszy-ucha (ears - as on a creature, or as on a jug or mug) Plecy (back) is a vestige - dual number form, no proper singular, no proper plural left. For group number... This one's really fun, because it's quite common, yet few people even realise they're using it g Most of your family and a lot of everything else uses that format. Singular is one ending, group (2-4) is another, plural (5 or more) *yet another* : (jedna - one) siostra (sister) - singular (dwie, trzy, cztery - 2, 3, 4) siostry - group (piec, szesc, itd -5, 6, etc) siostr (slash over the o) - plural mother, father, brother, aunt, uncle, tree, table, chair... There's one, then there's the in group of no more than 4, then you take a deep breath and start counting according to a uniform pattern; 5 and 555 will have the same ending... :) The eyes and the ears, BTW have *both* the dual *and* the group number, but, since the dual is reserved strictly for one purpose (living creatures), the group number in the inanimate objects escapes notice even more g What is texting? Messaging over the cell-phone -- Tamara P Duvallhttp://t-n-lace.net/ Lexington, Virginia, USA (Formerly of Warsaw, Poland) To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] lace competition rules 2006
i just wanted everyone to read what umbralace said about bobbin lace and other type of laces. many of you were writing about how they didn't think raised tallies and etc... were not allowed. also the topic is not just flowers and geometrics, it is anything so long as it looks festive. here is the original message she sent: Hello Susan. Thank you for the email! Bobbin lacers can do raised tallies, needle lacers can do point de rose type flowers. The essence of those laces are not excluded from the contest. Basically, when I think of a contest entry is should be able to be rolled up. As far as the designs, it can be anything - holidays, seasons what ever you want!! What is the feast for your eyes? What do you like to see, what makes you salivate or say yummy? The style can be anything. Using the terms flower - geometric etc., was to convey opposites or anything in between. It is wide open!!! I look forward to hearing from you. Debra from susan in tennessee,u.s.a. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around from susan in tennessee,u.s.a. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
