Re: [lace-chat] Just wondering

[Janice Blair]

Thanks. Its good to know that Lace Chat is still functioning but has been
extremely quiet for a while.  David must be away as we have not had any
recipes or tales of his vacations.
And yes, the mess in my email was the link that included a photo of
the barrette and details of the website that was automatically added when I
included the copied link.  Wonder how I can delete that sort of thing if I
ever include another link.  It was like what happens on Facebook when you
include a link.Janice Janice Blair Murrieta, CA, www.jblace.com 

On Saturday, March 12, 2016 11:31 AM, Sue Duckles 
wrote:


 You can't have been kicked off Janice... I got the message!!  Off to look
at
the link now!!

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Sue Duckles


On 12 Mar 2016, at 18:49, Janice Blair wrote:

> It is so long since I had anything from Lace Chat. Maybe we all get our
fill
> of information from Facebook these days, or maybe I have got kicked off.
Just
> wondering.
> I just posted an idea for using some scrap lace samples that I saw online
to
> make a barrette. This is the link for it: Vintage Inspired DIY Barette
> |  |
> |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |
> | Vintage Inspired DIY BaretteLearn how to make hair accessories that look
> absolutely classy with this crafting video and tutorial. These simple and
> homemade hair accessories utilize odds and en... |
> |  |
> | View on www.favecrafts.com | Preview by Yahoo |
> |  |
> |  |
>
>
> Hmm, I know that Chat can't take photos, but when I put the link in, it
> automatically added the photo with details of the link.  I imagine Chat
will
> strip that out.Janice Janice Blair Murrieta, CA, www.jblace.com
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[lace] 2016 Arachne Lace Bookmark Exchange

[Lin Hudren]

We are down to the last days for sign ups for the bookmark exchange but
don't worry if you are a day or so behind.  I will make it happen.  Just
contact me (*linhud...@gmail.com *) and it will be
worked out.  Also, if you are delayed in mailing your bookmark to your
partner, let your partner and me know so we can take the worry out of the
wonderful anticipation.  This is to be FUN not a job or chore.  I will be
sending out the exchange partner pairings in a day or so - no later than
3/20 but sooner if able.  I am always anxious to know who will be getting
my bookmark and what far away place I will be receiving mail from.  But if
you were on holiday or didn't see the announcement until the last minute -
join in anyway.  Nothing ventured, nothing gained.  I believe there is time
to get a bookmark made and in the mail by June 1st.



This year the schedule will go like this:

March 1-18   Sign Ups

March 20  Exchange partner assignments made and emailed out

June 1  All bookmarks should be in the mail (receipt by 7-10 days
after this)


Please send me your name, snail mailing address, email address, how many
bookmark(s) you wish to make and any geographical location(s) you prefer,
if any.  Thank you.



If this is your first time, you are going to have lots of pleasure.  If you
have been doing this for years, you know how much fun it can be.  Any type
of lace and pattern is appropriate.  Any skill level is welcome.  This is
"creative license" at its best.  Don't be shy - shine.

Hugs, Lin and the Mali

The universe gave us three things to make life bearable, hope, jokes and
dogs - the greatest of these is dogs.

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Re: [lace-chat] Just wondering

[Sue Duckles]

You can't have been kicked off Janice... I got the message!!  Off to look at
the link now!!

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On 12 Mar 2016, at 18:49, Janice Blair wrote:

> It is so long since I had anything from Lace Chat. Maybe we all get our
fill
> of information from Facebook these days, or maybe I have got kicked off.
Just
> wondering.
> I just posted an idea for using some scrap lace samples that I saw online
to
> make a barrette. This is the link for it: Vintage Inspired DIY Barette
> |   |
> |   |  |   |   |   |   |   |
> | Vintage Inspired DIY BaretteLearn how to make hair accessories that look
> absolutely classy with this crafting video and tutorial. These simple and
> homemade hair accessories utilize odds and en... |
> |  |
> | View on www.favecrafts.com | Preview by Yahoo |
> |  |
> |   |
>
>
> Hmm, I know that Chat can't take photos, but when I put the link in, it
> automatically added the photo with details of the link.  I imagine Chat
will
> strip that out.Janice Janice Blair Murrieta, CA, www.jblace.com
>
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Re: [lace] Bobbin lace in Celtic nations?

[Brenda Paternoster]

Malvary, I think you have got it spot on.

Brenda
>
> I might suggest finding a nice Celtic knot pattern and working that. Whether
people in Celtic nations ever made such a thing (probably not) isn't really
the point, it is to give the feel of the designs and for people to see lace
being made so that they have a good time while they are there.

Brenda in Allhallows
paternos...@appleshack.com
www.brendapaternoster.co.uk

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[lace-chat] Just wondering

[Janice Blair]

It is so long since I had anything from Lace Chat. Maybe we all get our fill
of information from Facebook these days, or maybe I have got kicked off. Just
wondering.  
I just posted an idea for using some scrap lace samples that I saw online to
make a barrette. This is the link for it: Vintage Inspired DIY Barette
|   |
|   |  |   |   |   |   |   |
| Vintage Inspired DIY BaretteLearn how to make hair accessories that look
absolutely classy with this crafting video and tutorial. These simple and
homemade hair accessories utilize odds and en... |
|  |
| View on www.favecrafts.com | Preview by Yahoo |
|  |
|   |


Hmm, I know that Chat can't take photos, but when I put the link in, it
automatically added the photo with details of the link.  I imagine Chat will
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[lace] Accurate Historical Enactments by Lacemakers

[Jeriames]

Thank you, Clay, for advocating a knowledge of history before presenting  
lacemaking in an inappropriate venue.  Many people have bad memories of how  
history was taught to them in school - nearly all about wars and the ruling  
classes and endless dates to memorize.  
 
Lacemakers need to understand that they are often demonstrating and talking 
 to people who are interested in what civilians did in the timeframe being  
re-enacted.  Some of our esteemed book and magazine authors of lace  
history have presented it in ways that are enjoyable to learn.   It can really 
be 
rewarding to accurately tell about the lacemakers who came  before us - who, 
what, when, where, how.  
 
Jeri Ames in Maine USA
Lace and Embroidery Research Center
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In a message dated 3/12/2016 8:09:16 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
clayblackw...@comcast.net writes:

Reading  Brenda's knowledgeable review of the apparent absence of 
lacemaking in Celtic  regions reminds me of something I have seen for years in 
Virginia!   Reenactment of  Civil War battles were all over the entire country 
in  
recent years, and reenactors were everywhere!  The problem is, lots of  
women wanted to get in on the fun, and so they dressed themselves in hoop  
skirts and sat on the sidelines making bobbin lace!  That was so wrong in  so 
many ways!  Women,during the civil war, and especially near  battlefields, did 
not make lace!  They struggled to provide food and  shelter for their 
families and certainly did not have the time or interest in  lacemaking.  
Remember that machine lace had become available by that  point, and Lacemaking 
by 
hand was quickly becoming a lost art.  It was  not until a few decades after 
the end of the war that Europeans revived the  lost art, and it was years 
later before American women caught on.   

I think that in our enthusiasm to share this wonderful work, we really  
need to provide accurate information.

Clay
>> 
>> I'd  like to find some information about bobbin lace specifically in  the
>> Celtic nations (officially: Ireland, Wales, Scotland, Isle of  Man, 
Brittany
>> [northwest corner of France], and Cornwall, and some  lists also include
>> Galicia in northern Spain). Can someone  recommend a book or other 
source of
>> such information? All I've  found online is about Ireland, and not very 
much
>> of  that.

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Re: [lace] Working an edging on a roller pillow, mini-laces

[Jeriames]

Please read memos from our experts - so you can learn without huge  
investments in books, classes, travel, lodging, etc.
 
It is disturbing to see anyone trying to manipulate a traditional  lace, 
and finding that they have problems like the one cited in this  discussion.
 
Everyone trying to invent new ways to make lace, please consider the fact  
that an experienced lacemaker anywhere from 500+ years ago to the early  
20th C. made bobbin lace on a suitable lace pillow, and used suitable  bobbins. 
 This is well-illustrated by a wonderful 2002 book from the  German bobbin 
lacemakers' association - Deutscher Kloppelverband:   
"Kloppel-Kissen-Stander", and in the English translation by  Dr. Ann E. Wild 
that could be 
purchased with it:  "Bobbins-Pillows-Stands".  (My copy of both came from Van 
Sciver  in the U.S.)  The original hardback book is lavishly illustrated with  
color photos.  It is arranged by nation (21 of them), starting with  Germany.
 
It would be surprising if anyone who had read this did not realize they  
were learning why bobbins and a pillow to go with them varied, depending on  
the style, scale and dimensions of lace being made - for speed,  comfort and 
convenience (no spangles on laces that require sewings,  for example), and 
to suit the environment (hooded bobbins being an  example).
 
The lace pillow described by Susan is not facilitating the type of  lace 
being made.  Today's lacemakers need to learn more about our  history.  There 
is very little that has not been "figured out" by  lacemakers who came 
before us.  Lace organizations probably have the  Deutscher Kloppelverband book 
- 
for members to borrow.  Please - start  learning.  Young people, according 
to one of my  museum-employed friends, think they are inventing lace!  We 
owe it to  them to be able to discuss and demonstrate the basic whys and the 
hows  of lacemaking.  The whys come from history and from very poor people 
who  originally made lace for a living.
 
In regard to this subject, there used to be a photo of my miniature  blue 
bobbin lace roller pillow on the Lace Fairy site.  It  measures 5 1/2" wide 
by 4" deep, with an inset roller.  My  lacemaker/engineer friend made this 
pillow, and spangled bobbins are  fashioned from fancy Japanese toothpicks.  
There is a tiny pricking,  and 3/8" wide spider-motif insertion lace coming 
off the tiny roller, and  thread wound on the tiny bobbins.   BUT - Ilona 
made the lace  using a conventional suitable pillow and conventional bobbins.  
Then,  transferred threads from the standard bobbins to the mini-bobbins.  
Please  think about this - if you are into creating mini-laces.
 
We have seen a lot of small "traveling" bobbin lace pillows in recent  
decades.  But, this observer has noticed they really do not seem to be  
comfortable for a serious lacemaker to use for very long, and give the  wrong 
impression of how quantities of lace is made.  We have  been enchanted with the 
genius of the makers of these pillows, but function  should be paramount, and 
a suitable place to sit and make lace goes along with  this recommendation.
 
After 20+ years, I hope our long-term Arachne members have  learned a lot 
from free and thoughtful information given here.
 
Jeri Ames in Maine USA
Lace and Embroidery Resource Center 
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In a message dated 3/11/2016 9:56:09 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
hottl...@neo.rr.com writes:

Thank  you Adele, Alice & Gon!  These are great ideas to help avoid a  
gathered footside.  I just knew there had to be some clever techniques  that I 
hadn't thought of.  My roller is only about 3" in diameter so I  don't have a 
lot of space to work with before I must turn the roll.  Of  course this is 
exacerbated by my long Iris pins!  A friend suggested that  I look for 
sequin pins (much shorter) so I can push them down flush with the  roll.  I can 
hardly wait to try the edging again while employing all  these ideas!  Many 
thanks again for sharing your "tricks of the  trade".  My new edging is 
Spanish fans & I'm working on a cookie  pillow.  Right now I have lots of 
opportunities to demo lace while my  husband recuperates.  Sincerely, Susan 
Hottle, 
Palm Beach Gardens, FL USA  

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Re: [lace] Bobbin lace in Celtic nations?

[Malvary Cole]

It seems to me that while it is good for Sally to find out about lace in 
Celtic nations, there probably won't be much time for her to pass on the 
information she has gleaned to the people who are wandering about.  What 
they will be interested in, is to see her making lace.


I might suggest finding a nice Celtic knot pattern and working that. 
Whether people in Celtic nations ever made such a thing (probably not) isn't 
really the point, it is to give the feel of the designs and for people to 
see lace being made so that they have a good time while they are there.


Just my two cents worth

Malvary in Ottawa where it is supposed to go up to 12c today (get rid of 
more of my snow banks).


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Re: [lace] Bobbin lace in Celtic nations?

[Clay Blackwell]

Reading Brenda's knowledgeable review of the apparent absence of lacemaking in 
Celtic regions reminds me of something I have seen for years in Virginia!  
Reenactment of  Civil War battles were all over the entire country in recent 
years, and reenactors were everywhere!  The problem is, lots of women wanted to 
get in on the fun, and so they dressed themselves in hoop skirts and sat on the 
sidelines making bobbin lace!  That was so wrong in so many ways!  Women,during 
the civil war, and especially near battlefields, did not make lace!  They 
struggled to provide food and shelter for their families and certainly did not 
have the time or interest in lacemaking.  Remember that machine lace had become 
available by that point, and Lacemaking by hand was quickly becoming a lost 
art.  It was not until a few decades after the end of the war that Europeans 
revived the lost art, and it was years later before American women caught on.  

I think that in our enthusiasm to share this wonderful work, we really need to 
provide accurate information.

Clay
Struggling now to "get off of my high horse" in Lynchburg, VA

Sent from my iPad

> 
>> 
>> I'd like to find some information about bobbin lace specifically in the
>> Celtic nations (officially: Ireland, Wales, Scotland, Isle of Man, Brittany
>> [northwest corner of France], and Cornwall, and some lists also include
>> Galicia in northern Spain). Can someone recommend a book or other source of
>> such information? All I've found online is about Ireland, and not very much
>> of that.
> 
> 

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Re: [lace] Bobbin lace in Celtic nations? - a brief history lesson!

[Brenda Paternoster]

Being Celtic is a cultural thing, not a genetic identity or a political
nationality.

At the time of the last glacial maximum (ice age) human populations in Europe
were confined to three small area; the Atlantis (modern Ukraine), the Balkans
(modern Greece) and Iberia  (modern Basque region of Spain).  The three groups
were separate long enough that natural genetic mutations made them into
genetically distinct groups.  Then when the ice retreated, about 10,000 years
ago the populations expanded northwards.  Those in Atlantis populated eastern
Europe, those in the Balkans populated central Europe, including Greece and
the Roman Empire and some got as far north as Scandinavia.  The people from
Iberia populated western Europe including Britain.  Melting ice and a tsunami
around 8,200 years separated Britain and Ireland from mainland Europe and the
people here became the ancient Britons from late stone age through the bronze
age and the iron age, but they were genetically the same as those in modern
Spain. France, Germany etc.  Archaeology shows that there was trading with the
continent and there could have been some inter-breeding with genetically
similar people, but it was not an age of literacy.

Julius Ceaser invaded Britain in 55BC and Britain came under Roman rule from
43AD-410AD but although they left a lot of technology the Romans (mid European
originating from the Balkans) were a separate ruling class and did not
inter-marry with the ancient Britons.  There is very little Roman DNA in the
indigenous population of the British Isles.  When the Romans left there was a
void in the leadership of the islands and that’s when there were lots of
small invasions from all over western Europe,  Angles and Jutes from modern
Denmark and Saxons from modern Germany became the Anglo-Saxons who took over,
and interbred with the ancient Britons in what is now eastern and  southern
England.  People from modern Spain and southern France (the Keltoi tribes)
moved across to western England, north through Wales, Cumbria and western
Scotland.  They also went to Ireland and the Isle of Man.  These were the
Celts and they too intermarried with the ancient Britons - but as all of these
people had originated from the ice-age population in Iberia it is very
difficult, if not impossible, for geneticists to distinguish between them.  On
the other hand Viking genes from northern Scandinavia can be identified in
northern Scotland and some parts of Ireland.

It seems to be the language as much as anything which identifies a group of
people as Celtic - and that’s why Gallacia in northern Spain is not always
considered to be Celtic; the language there died out and Spanish took its
place.  The ancient British language, which was never written down, died out
and the germanic languages of the Angles and Saxons became Old English and
developed through middle English into Modern English.  On the western side of
the British Isles  the incoming Celtic languages, although similar, remained
distinct, but they too replaced the language of the ancient Britons.  Welsh,
Breton and Cornish are in the Britannic group of Celtic and Manx, Scots Gaelic
and Irish Gaelic are in the Goidelic group.  All of these languages remained
as first languages for some people until about the 20th century when English
gradually took over but all the Celtic regions are keen to keep their historic
languages alive.

Lacemaking is much more recent and doesn’t follow the same patterns.  Bobbin
lace goes back to about the 16th century and it is debatable as to whether it
came over from Flanders (northern France/Belgium) or developed independently
in England.  There are only two main areas of England where BL was made; the
east Midlands which is firmly in the Anglo-Saxon area and Honiton in Devon
which was part of the Cornish Celtic area.  Most of Britain does not have any
traditional bobbin lace although embroidery, and hence embroidered laces, was
widespread and done mostly by upper class ladies and by nuns who had the time
to devote to their needlework.  There is no tradition of bobbin lace elsewhere
in the British Isles.

http://atlantis-today.com/Atlantis_Ice_Age.htm
https://vieilleeurope.wordpress.com/2011/05/27/restart-of-europe-after-last-i
ce-age/
https://www.ucl.ac.uk/news/news-articles/0315/180315-fine-scale-british-isle-
genetic-map

http://www.bbc.co.uk/schools/primaryhistory/anglo_saxons/who_were_the_anglo-s
axons/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celtic_languages

Brenda in Allhallows
paternos...@appleshack.com
www.brendapaternoster.co.uk

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[lace] Bobbin lace in Celtic nations

[Jane Partridge]

You haven't mentioned any time period - is the demonstration meant to reflect
what is being done in the regions regarded as having a Celtic past now, or in
historical times? If now, then you could probably make more or less anything
as most modern lacemakers don't worry about only working the lace previously
made in their town or region. If it is historical, then you need to consult
the history books (you might find something like Martine Bruggeman's book
L'Europe de la Dentelle useful, if you can read French) as to what was being
made in the period you are trying to represent. A lot of the laces we know now
(Limmerick,  and Bedfordshire being two that spring to mind) developed from
other lace techniques in the 19th Century. Tatting is reckoned to be 19th,
with its origins in knotting. Needlelace and bobbin lace in general go back
further. Just because there isn't a traditional history of lacemaking in a
town or region doesn't mean that lace wasn't being made there - one member of
my husband's family (a large Bedfordshire lacemaking family) lived and worked
in Oswestry, which is on the Welsh border. We know that lace was used as a
means of earning an income by agricultural workers during the winter, and we
also know that (once the English feudal system was out of the way) the field
workers travelled to find work, so may have taken their lace with them. (I was
always under the impression that our ancesters "stayed put" until I discovered
that my 4xGr Grandfather was a mail coach driver, and he moved from Devises to
Coventry!).
In a message dated 3/11/2016 4:30:12 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
dansing...@gmail.com writes:Hello all,In 2 months I will be demonstrating
bobbin lace at a Celtic Festival. Mostof the festival involves music and
dance, but the organizers wanted somefiber arts too, so here I go.

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[lace] Working an edging on a roller pillow

[Alex Stillwell]

Re.  From: Susan hottl...@neo.rr.com
Subject: Re: [lace] Working an edging on a roller pillow

This is a small roller pillow so the amount that stays pinned is 1.5 " at
most.  I did use a wooden roller for the finished lace & still managed to make
a ruffle!  Different bobbins sound like a great idea so I will try that idea
while trying to persuade them into position.  Doggone those unruly passives!
Sincerely, Susan Hottle, Palm Beach Gardens, FL USA

Hi Susan

As you have such limited space for the footpins, if none of the other remedies
work then work cloth and twist when working with the passive pairs. Your lace
may not be absolutely traditional but it definitely will not pull up at all.
If anyone criticises you for doing it remind them it is your lace and you are
making it as you wish and for your enjoyment.

Blow the dust, let,s make lace

Alex

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