[lace] Exchange set up

[Shirley MEIER]

Beautiful work , beautifully displayed, thanks to Jenny once again.
Shirley in Corio, Oz.

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[lace] Bedfordshire lace

[hottleco]

Thank you Nancy, Jane & Lorelei for setting me straight!  And for keeping me 
from making a major error at the library.  Unless there is some scholarly 
objection, I think "early plaited lace" could work when referring to English 
lace made in the 1500's.  The object here is to make a brief statement that 
illustrates the long history of lace in Britain.  Opus Anglicanum was a 
specialty there a bit earlier & it seems like a natural progression for lace to 
have developed a similar relationship with the church in Britain, Bedfordshire 
area or not, in that period.  I see that the IOLI library has the Levey book so 
I will try before I buy!  Thanks again for your expert input.  Sincerely, Susan 
Hottle USA

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RE: [lace] Bedfordshire lace

[Lorelei Halley]

Susan
The story we are told is that the style called Bedfordshire was a result of
an international fair in the mid 19th century, which exhibited Maltese lace.
Supposedly, Bedfordshire-Maltese was an attempt to design laces using
similar techniques and ideas, and supposedly it would be faster to make than
Bucks point. So it is definitely 19th century in origin. Even if the story
is not quite right, I see no reason to think it is older. Cluny was also a
supposedly 19 th c invention, based on Genoese laces in the Cluny museum.
I have seen many Genoese laces at the Art Institute of Chicago. If I recall
they date from the 1600s, mostly. One huge problem with English laces is
that we don't have a clear picture of what was being made before 1800 --
what the style was, what the techniques were.  There are some museum
examples of LePompe type laces on clothing (a jacket particularly), but I
don't remember the exact piece, museum or date. Whether there is a straight
line between LePompe braided/plaited laces In England and Bedfordshire lace
of the 19th century, I don't know. I have never seen any intermediate style,
or anything showing gradual development. This is one of those points where
somebody could figure this out and write a PhD thesis in art history.  (Not
me. I have had enough of academe.)
Lorelei


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Subject: [lace] Bedfordshire lace

I ran into a disagreement among lace resources regarding Bedfordshire.  To
my eye, all resources are equally credible but there is a three century
difference of opinion.  Should Bedfordshire be considered 16th or 19th
century?  Sincerely, Susan Hottle USA 

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[lace] Fw: Bedfordshire lace

[Jane Partridge]

It is generally accepted that Bedfordshire lace developed somewhere around
1851-1852 in the wake of the Great Exhibition of 1851 at Crystal Palace, where
Maltese lace was exhibited. The machine industry had taken much of the trade
away from the East Midland lacemakers, so the designers like Thomas Lester
were looking for ideas that the machines could not easily copy, and were
quicker to produce than the labour intensive Buckinghamshire Point that had
been made in those areas up until then (Bedfordshire, Northamptonshire and
Buckinghamshire are adjoining counties where point laces were made). If you
compare the laces, you will see that Bedfordshire is very similar to Cluny and
Maltese, but has the 'raised' look of Honiton, due to the method used for
taking pairs in and out of trails. Although called Bedfordshire, it was made
in the neighbouring counties; I have a Beds collar made in the Buckinghamshire
town of Olney in 1910 (given to me by the son of the lacemaker who made it).


The design aspect of Bedfordshire followed the general design fashions of the
time, across many different media - if you look at the architecture of the
late 19th century you will see similarities between wrought and cast ironwork
and the lace designs. This is because design then did follow through as a
'common core', similar to the design work we did for City and Guilds
(lacemakers doing the same elements of design in their course as embroiderers,
florists, upholsterers, etc) whereas in the 20th century design generally
moved away from the idea that designs and patterns used in architecture could
be followed through to textiles around the home (which earlier architects, eg
Voysey and Morris, would have designed as well as the house itself). This
dawned on me after a Lace Guild Convention when I was sat on Bristol Temple
Meads railway station waiting for a train home, looking at the ironwork and
wondering which came first - and later using the question as the basis for my
design research - both I discovered were contemporary; borne out even further
when I discovered rather a rather charming ray of Bedfordshire leaf tallies in
the iron canopy support at Nuneaton Railway Station (Platforms 4 and 5).


Torchon lace was also fairly late coming to England, as again it was fairly
quick to make so could compete against the machine industry - it likewise is
attributed to the 19th century here, but was made much earlier on the
continent.


Jane Partridge

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Re: [lace] Bedfordshire lace

[N.A. Neff]

Hi Susan,

That's an interesting question! especially given the similarities between
Beds and the early mimics of Punto in Aria, as in LePompe. I personally
have not handled a piece of lace that seemed to be older than the mid-19th
C that I would call Beds, but "Beds" is a name based on a geographical
area. Lace in paintings from the 16th C through the 18th C that is
Beds-like was obviously made in Italy, and a little later in England and
Germany--can it be reasonably called Beds even though it wasn't produced by
a tradition in or starting from Bedfordshire, England?

Just out of curiosity, I checked what would come up on the Web and found
these statements:

1) "Lace-makers from Flanders settled in Bedfordshire as early as the 16th
century. By the mid-18th century, Newport Pagnell was a centre of
Bedfordshire lace production. The highpoint of lacemaking was from the late
17th century through the 18th century." (from Wikipedia "Bedfordshire
lace", https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bedfordshire_lace)

2) "A new style of lace, Bedfordshire, lace emerged, flourished and died
within 50 years [the last half of the 19th C]." (from Steph Peters' A Brief
History of Bedfordshire Lace, http://www.sandbenders.demon.
co.uk/bobbinlace/history.htm)

I agree with Steph:  Beds strictly speaking is a style of lace that
originated in and around Bedfordshire England in the 19th C. It has
similarities to the early Genoese braided lace, and generally Italian laces
that developed to imitate Punto in Aria (needle-lace), but one wouldn't
reasonably call lace developed and made in Italy "Bedfordshire lace", even
if the needle-lace mimics eventually came to be made in England in the 16th
and 17th C. "Beds" as a style of lace is still made today throughout
England and North America, but that is a carry-over from the 19th C English
Beds, not the older braided laces originally from Italy.

Even the Wikipedia article on Bedfordshire lace differentiates between lace
that originated elsewhere but happens to have come to be made in
Bedfordshire, as in quote 1 above, versus the style of lace that originated
in Bedfordshire: "Bedfordshire lace is a style of bobbin lace originating
from Bedfordshire in the 19th century, and made in the English Midlands
lacemaking area."  If I were living in Bedfordshire and made a lace today
based on a design from LePompe, I would not call it Beds, because of the
origin of the design. But if I made a piece of lace from a Thomas Lester
pricking, even though I am sitting in Connecticut USA, I would call it
Beds--again because of the origin of the style.

As a side note, I don't think all references should be considered equal.
In my opinion, one should avoid the less scholarly references (e.g.,
Pallister's History of Lace) and concentrate on the more scholarly, and in
general more recent, ones--the best being Santina Levey's Lace: A History
(still available new on Amazon.com, for less than I paid for it when it
first came out...).

I'll be interested in what others think about this question. Also are there
any suggestions about what to call the early plaited laces that originated
in Genoa in the 15th C but spread rapidly. Based on my argument above, I
guess they should be "Genoese plaited lace" or something like that.  My
copy of Levey is out in the car--I'd better go get it!

Nancy

Nancy A. Neff
Connecticut, USA

On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 5:18 PM, Susan  wrote:

> ... there is a three century difference of opinion.  Should Bedfordshire
> be considered 16th or 19th century?

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[lace] Bedfordshire lace

[Susan]

Hello All!  While working on signage for an upcoming lace exhibit at the 
library, I ran into a disagreement among lace resources regarding Bedfordshire. 
 To my eye, all resources are equally credible but there is a three century 
difference of opinion.  Should Bedfordshire be considered 16th or 19th century? 
 This is not meant to be argumentative!  To my untrained eye, I can see 
similarities to some LePompe patterns.  On the other hand, the 19th century 
reference mentions a relationship to Cluny.  Is this a prime example of lace 
evolution, i.e. modern Bedfordshire has more in common with 19thC  lace than 
earlier examples?  Early lace was certainly made in Britain, so what to call it 
if it isn't Bedfordshire?  Many thanks for any suggestions/opinions.  
Sincerely, Susan Hottle USA 

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Re: [lace] exchange site now online

[Carole Attard]

Thank you Jenny for this site of all the lovely bookmarks and we'll done to
all.
 Carole
>From  hot and sunny Malta

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RE: [lace] exchange site now online

[J-D Hammett]

Hi fellow Arachnids,

Such wonderful eye-candy has been produced by all the participants!

Thank you Jenny to once again have set up the gallery of all the bookmarks so
everyone can enjoy them.

Joepie in WARM, sunny Sussex, UK.

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RE: [lace] Computerized Embroidery Designs - Lace

[Devon Thein]

I am very impressed with the link that Janice has provided.
https://www.advanced-embroidery-designs.com/cgi-bin/cart/store.cgi?keyword=bo
bbin+lace=search
 Someone has gone to tremendous trouble to produce bobbin lace like designs
for machine embroidery. Usually, when artists produce a lace design they take
a lot of liberties with it to “improve it”. But these designs show a level
of fealty that suggests intimate knowledge.
One thing that is intriguing is that historically, chemical lace, was
considered the answer to the mechanized lacemaker’s prayers for the purpose
of copying needle laces. The ability to provide relief as in gros point, and
the fact that the needle laces were somewhat non-linear made the chemical lace
method the preferred method for this purpose. But, here, it is bobbin lace
that is being emulated.
Devon

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Re: [lace] exchange site now online

[Sue Babbs]

Thank you so much, Jenny, for all the work you have put into making the 
bookmarks visible to all of us, whether or not we were able to participate 
in the exchange  (and, yes, once again, I was too busy).


They are lovely - and such variety in them.

Does  Julie de Loe, CA, remember where the cat bookmark came from, please? 
It is so cute - and would be something I'd like to make when I'm next doing 
a lace demo


Sue

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Re: [lace] exchange site now online

[Jenny Brandis]

Those postal pixies are having a dreadful time since security procedures became 
so strict. Funny how with all this checking they can't track an envelope from 
here to there. I hope it arrives soon.

Jenny Brandis
Brookdale, Western Australia

> On 14 Jun 2017, at 8:23 pm, Jeanette Fischer   
> I have not received my exchange yet, but saw what I can look forward to- if
> only the Post Office would oblige!!  
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[lace-chat] OT: moved to chat: was: Arachne Convention Get Together

[Joy Beeson]

On 6/11/17 10:01 PM, Janice Blair wrote:


Being a typist in my past, I automatically enter two
spaces at the end of each sentence.  Find it hard to
break that habit.


Don't try to break the habit.  Clear divisions between
sentences are more important now that you have no clue as to
how your message will be displayed.

--
Joy Beeson
http://wlweather.net/PAGEJOY/
west of Fort Wayne, Indiana, U.S.A.

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RE: [lace] exchange site now online

[Jeanette Fischer]

I have just spent quite some time admiring all the lovely bookmarks!
Congratulations to everyone involved and particularly to Jenny.
I have not received my exchange yet, but saw what I can look forward to- if
only the Post Office would oblige!!  

Jeanette Fischer, South Africa.



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[lace] exchange site now online

[Jenny Brandis]

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[lace] Bookmark and Thanks

[Sue Duckles]

Morning All

I have just received my bookmark from Martina De Wille.  It's absolutely
gorgeous!!  Thanks to you for it, and to Lin for her wonderful organisational
skills, and of course not forgetting Jenny for her display and collation of
these exchanges!!

Sue in East Yorkshire where its sunny today

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