[lace] Museums and Copyright. (RAMM, Exeter)

2020-04-15 Thread brido11 
Dear All 

I write this at the end of a series of complaints from myself and
correspondence with RAMM regarding getting access to a nice collection of
Bobbins in the RAMM Exeter (Museum) I have failed in my bid to get free
academic access to the collection, so I am giving up.

 

Just to put on record about the collection.

There are just over 100 bobbins dated from 1776 to late 1800s.

>From an unofficial source, I would say there are about 10 to 12 bobbin of
particular interest to collectors.

>From my point of view, the inclusion of 3 (perhaps 4) ships is a great pity
that I can't access them.

The special bobbins include naive decorations, mermaids, ships, birds and
one particularly fine decorator who has a lot of bobbin represented in this
collection.

 

My problem is that, as a time when many museums around the world are
removing copyright from their collections due to the ethics of using gifted
items for income and charging copyright fees for items well out of copyright
(i.e. 1776)

 

They charge for 30 minutes viewing and then have an hourly charge from
thence on. I estimated for me to photograph the set "Myself" (well via a
proxy)  would cost more than one hundred UK Pounds and possibly 150 pounds.

 

I have dealt with probably 6 or so UK museums re bobbins in the past and
have never been charged by them and they have even photographed the bobbins
for me.

One other thing is that they control the use of the images you might take.
They claim that my flattening of an image is "Manipulation". It is not, I
just print say 5 images very close together, then the bobbin looks flat. I
rarely if ever make any changes to an image.

If anyone is interested in this issue I can tell you that there a lot of
articles on the web regarding the museum and copyright ethics.

 

I think their policy of restricting and charging the people of Devon for
access to their objects of interest to their local history and then refusing
my offer of voluntarily writing about them and informing the Devon people
(Possibly the world!) of the wonderful things they have locked away is a
breach of their educational requirements in favour of making money.

 

Brian

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[lace] East Devon and Downton project progress report (second attempt to send sorry)

2020-04-15 Thread brido11 
Dear All,

My efforts to study and report on the East Devon and Downton bobbins continue,
to try and give them the reputation they deserve, equivalent (but different)
to the East midland bobbins.



1.  Up until now consider I have been in the “collection phase” i.e.
getting enough bobbin pictures to be representative enough to be able to make
some reasonable decisions about.  Broadly this continuous but I have a special
need for pictures of decorated Downton bobbins. (Convid 19 has slowed down
progress on this group)
2.  I think you will know I “unearthed” the oldest dated bobbin (1662) 
and
found in my collection! a railway engine on a bobbin. (I have had that bobbin
for perhaps a years or so!! ☹)
3.  I have written but not yet put on webdocs and article on the Virtue
bobbins
4.  I have submitted a second article to webdocs on initial attempts to ID
decorators of East Devon Bobbins.  There are indications that we will be able
to ID say half dozen decorators, but frankly, I am wondering if it will be
worthwhile as the decorations of east Devon bobbins is complex, for the most
part, you cannot just call them to say, a Mother and Babe like we do with the
East midland bobbins. It just does not work like that.  So I/we will have to
work through that and see what comes of it.
5.  I have developed an initial list of bobbin genres (Associated with but
separate to Yallops genres.)  I have attached a list below, which is open to
suggestions and changes.
6.  I have published a couple of articles in the OIDFA IOLI journals. Mostly
doing work of trying to find the three very special bobbins belonging to
Marian Powys.  BTW it looks as if my lace bio article on Marian Powys is going
to be published by the Powys Journal this year.
7.  I am wondering how this work can eventually be published.  I do not 
think
it will result in another Dictionary like the East Midlands bobbins (
www.brianlemin.com   ) but perhaps It will be an
“A GUIDE” to collecting East Devon and Downton bobbins.?? Who knows?

Here is my list of Genres as it currently stands. Genre List

1.   Accessories
2.   Advertisements
3.   Anchors
4.   Aquafortis
5.   Artistic
6.   Beer
7.   Birds
8.   Black and red
9.   Bone
10. Branscombe
11. Bricks
12. Circumferential lines
13. Colour
14. Types of Bobbins
15. Ebonized
16. Fancy turned
17. Fish
18. Flora and foliage
19. Flowers
20. Full shank
21. Gimp _ Trolley
22. Green dye
23. Hand Carved
24. Hearts
25. Inscribed
26. Intricate
27. Light sprigs
28. Love
29. Malmsbury
30. Maltese cross
31. Maritime
32. Medallion
33. Mermaid
34. Misc.
35. Names
36. Naming charts
37. Naive
38. Non carved
39. Oldest
40. Oldest dated
41. On pillow
42. Pale wood
43. Plain
44. Primitive crude
45. Religious
46. Sample of designs
47. Shells
48. Ships resources
49. Ships
50. Ships drawn
51. Sketched bobbins
52. Social objects
53. South bucks
54. Spiral inscribed
55. Sprigs
56. Steam
57. Straight lines
58. Sun
59. Sun Stars
60. Tails
61. Top half
62. Treen
63. Trees
64. Triangles
65. Trolly _ Gimp
66. Unusual
67. Virtues
68. Worn

Thanks for all your help and support



Brian

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[lace] East Devon and Downton project, progress report.

2020-04-15 Thread brido11 
Dear All,

My efforts to study and report on the East Devon and Downton bobbins continue,
to try and give them the reputation they deserve, equivalent (but different)
to the East midland bobbins.



1.  Up until now consider I have been in the “collection phase” i.e.
getting enough bobbin pictures to be representative enough to be able to make
some reasonable decisions about.  Broadly this continuous but I have a special
need for pictures of decorated Downton bobbins. (Convid 19 has slowed down
progress on this group)
2.  I think you will know I “unearthed” the oldest dated bobbin (1662) 
and
found in my collection! a railway engine on a bobbin. (I have had that bobbin
for perhaps a years or so!! ☹)
3.  I have written but not yet put on webdocs and article on the Virtue
bobbins
4.  I have submitted a second article to webdocs on initial attempts to ID
decorators of East Devon Bobbins.  There are indications that we will be able
to ID say half dozen decorators, but frankly, I am wondering if it will be
worthwhile as the decorations of east Devon bobbins is complex, for the most
part, you cannot just call them to say, a Mother and Babe like we do with the
East midland bobbins. It just does not work like that.  So I/we will have to
work through that and see what comes of it.
5.  I have developed an initial list of bobbin genres (Associated with but
separate to Yallops genres.)  I have attached a list below, which is open to
suggestions and changes.
6.  I have published a couple of articles in the OIDFA IOLI journals. Mostly
doing work of trying to find the three very special bobbins belonging to
Marian Powys.  BTW it looks as if my lace bio article on Marian Powys is going
to be published by the Powys Journal this year.
7.  I am wondering how this work can eventually be published.  I do not 
think
it will result in another Dictionary like the East Midlands bobbins (
www.brianlemin.com   ) but perhaps It will be an
“A GUIDE” to collecting East Devon and Downton bobbins.?? Who knows?

Here is my list of Genres as it currently stands. Genre List

1.   Accessories
2.   Advertisements
3.   Anchors
4.   Aquafortis
5.   Artistic
6.   Beer
7.   Birds
8.   Black and red
9.   Bone
10. Branscombe
11. Bricks
12. Circumferential lines
13. Colour
14. Types of Bobbins
15. Ebonized
16. Fancy turned
17. Fish
18. Flora and foliage
19. Flowers
20. Full shank
21. Gimp _ Trolley
22. Green dye
23. Hand Carved
24. Hearts
25. Inscribed
26. Intricate
27. Light sprigs
28. Love
29. Malmsbury
30. Maltese cross
31. Maritime
32. Medallion
33. Mermaid
34. Misc.
35. Names
36. Naming charts
37. Naive
38. Non carved
39. Oldest
40. Oldest dated
41. On pillow
42. Pale wood
43. Plain
44. Primitive crude
45. Religious
46. Sample of designs
47. Shells
48. Ships resources
49. Ships
50. Ships drawn
51. Sketched bobbins
52. Social objects
53. South bucks
54. Spiral inscribed
55. Sprigs
56. Steam
57. Straight lines
58. Sun
59. Sun Stars
60. Tails
61. Top half
62. Treen
63. Trees
64. Triangles
65. Trolly _ Gimp
66. Unusual
67. Virtues
68. Worn

Thanks for all your help and support



Brian

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[lace] Miss Channer's Mat

2020-04-15 Thread Alice Howell 
I just wrote a long answer to the questions on the Mat, and then hit a wrong 
button and the whole thing was deleted.  Whomever it was that wanted advice, 
please write me.  Your name and email are gone, as well as my answer.

Alice in Oregon

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[lace] Miss Channer’s Lace Mat

2020-04-15 Thread Angel 
Hello fellow lacers, 

I have a couple of questions, probably only to those who have tackled the 
challenge of Miss Channer’s Mat. As I have rediscovered my pricking, which I 
honestly thought was permanently lost or destroyed since it went missing for 
years, (and found on our 25th anniversary!) I need some advice.

1. How many pairs of bobbins are required?

2. What thread did you folks use?? David, I know you went with black, but was 
it silk?

3. How many gimp bobbins are needed?

4. Any other advice you folks can give me would be most appreciated.

I would again like to thank Jacqui Southard for making it possible for me to 
acquire this stunning pricking !!! I am totally hooked on Bucks point lace! 
Without the wonderful English authors of Bucks point instruction manuals and 
prickings, I would never have discovered the joy and beauty of this lace.

Self taught in rural America!

Cearbhael 


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Re[2]: [lace] Another--Zippier!----ClippyKit sample

2020-04-15 Thread suebabbs385 
I love the effects of alternating the colours in the passives, thus 
making it easy to get each worker to be of the desired colour.   I 
expect you'll get quite different effects depending on the colours you 
choose  eg pink and red would be more subtle than the vibrant yellow and 
red.  I wonder if you would get the stripes looking a muddy brown if you 
used complementary colours, or if they wouldn't blend that much.  More 
experiments for you when you've survived the Binche memory curve!


Sue

suebabbs...@gmail.com

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Re: [lace] Another--Zippier!----ClippyKit sample

2020-04-15 Thread Pierre Fouché 
Well done, Suzette! Both samplers are beautiful!

Making a pattern your "own" with small adjustments is the first creative
act that makes the tradition richer and will, over time, develop into new
traditions! All the amazing stitches and techniques we know probably
started with a lacemaker deciding: "I think I'll do it this way instead
because, for me, it will look prettier", or "I wonder what will happen if I
do this instead..."

Good luck with the Binche samplers. I'm sure you'll get into the swing of
them quickly. Please share your progress?

Pierre
Cape Town

On Tue, 14 Apr 2020 at 21:04, Lacy Suzette  wrote:

> My first color sample was the result when I failed to excavate to the
> bottom of my Tub 'O' Perle! Hundreds of balls later, I finally located
> Jane's bright colors & made another sample using a suggestion from Lorelei.
> She suggested alternating the passive colors & while it's not made "as
> drawn" by Jane, I do love the results! Photo is now posted to Flickr. There
> is plenty to learn from making this pattern twice! Now to shift gears, I am
> trying to restart one of Kumiko's Binche beginner strips from last fall.
> It's an adorable collection of falling leaves & about 40% complete. In the
> space of a few months, it feels like I have forgotten everything I learned
> in her class. Note to self:  do not stop in the middle of a Binche project!
> Sincerely, Susan Hottle, Binche Purgatory, South Florida, USA
>

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