Re: Re[3]: [lace] Lace identification
Sorry. I said that the mantillas from Granada and Barcelona were machine made. IT IS NOT TRUE. They are manual. Maria Greil El sáb., 18 jul. 2020 a las 19:16, N.A. Neff () escribió: > I agree with Maria. As I said initially, this is machine-made needlerun on > machine-made net. This indeed a form of embroidery on net, which is not > usually included in what people mean by "needle-lace". I didn't want to get > into an argument about how narrowly or how broadly one defined > "needle-lace", since embroidered forms of lace are indeed made by a needle. > > I'll attach my initial analysis since I never saw that appear on Arachne > and maybe was lost in cyberspace. > > Nancy > Connecticut, USA > > On Sat, Jul 18, 2020, 09:42 Maria Greil wrote: > > > Sorry, but I do not agree with you. I find it is no needle lace but > machine > > embroidery on a mechanical tulle. > > Maria > > > > > > Hi Sue, > > > How pretty! And what a good photo -- the details are quite clear when > > enlarged. > > > > It is needle-run lace, embroidery on net. The net is machine-made, and > the > > embroidery is also almost certainly done by machine although I wouldn't > > claim to be 100% sure unless I could see the back. It is a very nice one, > > which would lead me to date it to the late 1800s. > > > > As I say, it is a particularly nice example of this kind of lace -- a > > beautiful design and well executed. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Nancy > > > > Connecticut, USA > > > > > > - > To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: > unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to > arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: > http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/ > - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: Re[3]: [lace] Lace identification
Thank you, Nancy, your explanation was very useful. I learned this kind of lace collecting *mantillas* and being a young family member of an active professional embroiderer. *Mantillas* were made in bobbin lace and later, when the manufacture had to speed up, they were embroidered on machine tulle. Then you have the manual embroidered mantillas (which some people in the south of Spain call them "de chantilly") and the machine embroidered (called "granadinas" because they were made in Granada, but we have not to forget the ones made in the area of Barcelona, but not so well known). In the late 50s and in the 60s in the schools girls had to embroider their own round or triangular *mantillas* to go to church. I got such one in my collection. Maria Greil El sáb., 18 jul. 2020 a las 19:16, N.A. Neff () escribió: > I agree with Maria. As I said initially, this is machine-made needlerun on > machine-made net. This indeed a form of embroidery on net, which is not > usually included in what people mean by "needle-lace". I didn't want to get > into an argument about how narrowly or how broadly one defined > "needle-lace", since embroidered forms of lace are indeed made by a needle. > > I'll attach my initial analysis since I never saw that appear on Arachne > and maybe was lost in cyberspace. > > Nancy > Connecticut, USA > > On Sat, Jul 18, 2020, 09:42 Maria Greil wrote: > > > Sorry, but I do not agree with you. I find it is no needle lace but > machine > > embroidery on a mechanical tulle. > > Maria > > > > > > Hi Sue, > > > How pretty! And what a good photo -- the details are quite clear when > > enlarged. > > > > It is needle-run lace, embroidery on net. The net is machine-made, and > the > > embroidery is also almost certainly done by machine although I wouldn't > > claim to be 100% sure unless I could see the back. It is a very nice one, > > which would lead me to date it to the late 1800s. > > > > As I say, it is a particularly nice example of this kind of lace -- a > > beautiful design and well executed. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Nancy > > > > Connecticut, USA > > > > > > - > To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: > unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to > arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: > http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/ > - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: Re[3]: [lace] Lace identification
I agree with Maria. As I said initially, this is machine-made needlerun on machine-made net. This indeed a form of embroidery on net, which is not usually included in what people mean by "needle-lace". I didn't want to get into an argument about how narrowly or how broadly one defined "needle-lace", since embroidered forms of lace are indeed made by a needle. I'll attach my initial analysis since I never saw that appear on Arachne and maybe was lost in cyberspace. Nancy Connecticut, USA On Sat, Jul 18, 2020, 09:42 Maria Greil wrote: > Sorry, but I do not agree with you. I find it is no needle lace but machine > embroidery on a mechanical tulle. > Maria > > > Hi Sue, > How pretty! And what a good photo -- the details are quite clear when > enlarged. > > It is needle-run lace, embroidery on net. The net is machine-made, and the > embroidery is also almost certainly done by machine although I wouldn't > claim to be 100% sure unless I could see the back. It is a very nice one, > which would lead me to date it to the late 1800s. > > As I say, it is a particularly nice example of this kind of lace -- a > beautiful design and well executed. > > Best wishes, > > Nancy > > Connecticut, USA > > - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: Re[3]: [lace] Lace identification
Sorry, but I do not agree with you. I find it is no needle lace but machine embroidery on a mechanical tulle. Maria El jue., 16 jul. 2020 a las 16:21, sue () escribió: > There are always too many Sues in my life to help the confusion! Grin. > The > handkerchief was bought by my sister in 1988 to carry at her wedding as > her > something old. She bought it in the Kings Road, London, England UK. It > appeared from its storage in recent times while shielding from the covid > 19. > She took a couple of photos were sent to me because she knew I would like > to > see them. I dont think I did the day of her wedding but my knowledge and > joining the lace world only began in 2001 and then increased when I joined > Arachne in 2005. > I thought that all you many experienced lacemakers who also have great > knowledge of lace, techniques, origins and all of that would enjoy to look > and we might all learn a little about it, especially as many of us have > been > stuck at home for months. > My sister was stunned when she got some fab feedback quickly from a couple > of ladies here in the UK and when I read all the comments basically saying > they needed to see the back I asked her to take a photo of the back. > So far we are all agreed that it is needlelace and a very pretty well made > piece which has survived the years well. > We really appreciate all the feedback and are both grateful for it. Also > thanks for Sue Babbs for her help in adding it to Flickr under a folder > called Sue T. > Many thanks to all > Sue Turnbull > Dorset UK where we currently have a ray of sunshine and a warm day. > Stay safe everyone > > There are too many Sues in this handkerchief conversation! Grin!! Other > than posting the photos on Flickr for Sue T, I know nothing about the > hanky. > > Sue T has asked her sister for more photos, and there is now also a > photo of the hanky's reverse and a photo of its corner. The photos are > in an Sue T's album called Sue T, as she is the one asking the question > about it's identification. They are the first three photos in the > photostream. If you still can't see them, I can only suggest you > refresh your browser, beyond that I have no technical knowledge! > > Sue Babbs > suebabbs...@gmail.com > > - > To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: > unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to > arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: > http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/ > - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
