Re: [lace] Lace digest archives

[Bev Walker]

Hello Elise and everyone :-)

The Arachne archive is here:
https://www.mail-archive.com/lace@arachne.com/

and the lace documents here:
https://www2.cs.arizona.edu/patterns/weaving/lace.html

Bev in Shirley BC

On Mon, Jun 13, 2022 at 5:57 PM ewaberhays  wrote:

> Hello,I am looking for help accessing the lace digest archives. I think I
> remember reading how to do it MANY years ago, but no longer remember.I am
> also trying to remember how to access the scanned documents that I think
> were held by the University of Arizona? Looking for some very specific info
> on flax growing for fine fibers.This time I promise I will print and save
> the instructions!Thank you from Maine!Elise
>
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Re: [lace] Project Lace Dress

[Bev Walker]

Thank you for posting the form, Jean, and for the project information file
also.
I have no connection with the project either, just an interest in helping
spread the word.

Bev in Shirley BC, near Sooke on beautiful Vancouver Island, west coast of
Canada

On Thu, Nov 11, 2021 at 2:19 PM J Reardon  wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I posted the registration form today on Lacemakers Facebook page. It
> should be accessible in their “files” section.  I
>

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[lace] Project Lace Dress

[Bev Walker]

Hi everyone, and Susan

Thank you Susan for sharing the information about Project Lace Dress.
I find that there is a pdf file posted to the public Lacemakers group on
Facebook.
I hope this link is accessible, please let me know anyone, if not?
The Project pdf is top of the list. I think there should be another file
with a registration form, yet to be posted.
Deadline to register isn't until September 2022. Here is the information in
the meantime.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/30338026304/files

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Re: [lace] Kimonos designed for Tokyo Olympics

[Bev Walker]

Thank you for this Pene! I enjoyed visiting each country through the
interpretation on the garments. There is lace! e.g. the kimono for the
Kingdom of Belgium :)

Bev in Shirley, BC, Canada

On Tue, Aug 10, 2021 at 11:30 PM Penelope Piip  wrote:

> Hi fellow Arachneans,
>
> I know this is post is not about lace, but I thought that I would share
> this article with lovers of beautiful textiles.
>
> https://mymodernmet.com/japan-designs-kimonos-for-tokyo-2020-olympics/
>
> There is a link at the bottom, so that you can view the other kimonos
> that are shown.


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Re: [lace] a contact please

[Bev Walker]

Hello Alex and everyone

The late Sister Judith said something like "whatever you do to make the
lace more beautiful (is all right)."

Bev W. in rainy Shirley BC Canada

On Fri, Dec 25, 2020 at 12:20 AM Alex Stillwell 
wrote:

> Hi Arachnids
>
> Please can someone put me in touch with Sister Judith regarding her quote
> ‘if lace is beautiful it must be right’. I so agree with her.
>
> Merry and healthy Christmas to all Arachnids
>
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Re: [lace] Lace Advent Calendar Competition

[Bev Walker]

Thank you, Jean and David, as always. The competition is a right challenge
this year ;)
Season's Greetings all.
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On Thu, Dec 24, 2020 at 3:32 PM Jean Leader  wrote:

> Those of you who have been following our Lace Advent Calendar will have
> opened the last door today.
> Time now to solve the competition and send off your answer! We look
> forward to receiving them by 31st December.
>

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Re: [lace] Textile Encyclopedia

[Bev Walker]

Oh my, bobbin lace is definitely a woven fabric. The passives are warp, the
weavers/workers are weft :)
Consider BL an off-loom technique.
Braids are woven also.

On Tue, Oct 20, 2020 at 7:11 AM Elena Kanagy-Loux 
wrote:

> Hi All,
>
>   with one set of elements.
> Tally stitches come closest to a weaving technique with one worker bobbin
> traveling through the passives, but you are still starting with a single
> set of elements or bobbins.
>
> I see your point, however, and obviously this is complicated as there are
> endless varieties of textile techniques out there, but distinctions had to
> be drawn somewhere and I think it makes more sense to keep bobbin lace with
> all the other lace techniques I mentioned in the non-woven volume rather
> than split them up.
>
> Best,
> Elena
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[lace] Point Ground Study Book

[Bev Walker]

Hello Devon and everyone

The OIDFA publication, The Point Ground Study Book, is an excellent
resource, compares by chart details of about 25 unique point Ground styles
including pre- and post-1900 Tønder. It might not answer all your questions
but it's a start.
Re the term Copenhagen hole, I came across that when I was learning
Torchon, maybe in the Torchon Workbook. I understood it to be a Danish
technique therefore, with a name invented by an English-speaking person,
say?

Bev
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Re: Re[2]: [lace] Our mail list software

[Bev Walker]

Hello Elena and everyone

Maybe that conversation made it to the list archives. For anyone wanting to
check out Arachne messages history, the archives are here
https://www.mail-archive.com/lace@arachne.com/

> On Thu, Apr 2, 2020 at 9:17 AM Elena Kanagy-Loux 
wrote:
 > ...For example, Devon described a discussion that happened once
 > on Arachne debating whether Communism or Democracy were better for
 > lacemakers.

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Re: [lace] Lacemaking in Colonial Spanish America

[Bev Walker]

Hello Devon, Sue and everyone

It could be a giant pillow!
Check the photo on this page for the lace museum at Arenys de Mar.in Spain,
even though about two centuries later than the codex. The technology was
earlier known?
http://www.arenysdemar.org/museu/index_i.htm

On Sat, Feb 15, 2020 at 5:45 PM Devon Thein  wrote:

> Yes, it is a very large pillow.
>


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Re: [lace] advise on altering a Binch design

[Bev Walker]

Hello Jo and everyone

Thank you for bringing this nice design to our attention :)
I think your straight edge start is a good option for the visual
appearance. I also like the braid start, easier to do on a small roller
pillow (as one might have).
I like the logic of Binche as it is, that is to say the established
pathways, though agree that your 4th variation is a pleasingly denser
filling.
Let us know if you work a sample comparing the variations?

Bev in Shirley BC Canada

On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 12:48 AM jo  wrote:

> The LOKK lace of the month nr 31 will be my next project on my
> pillow.
>
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Re: [lace] Tatters in Hawaii?

[Bev Walker]

Hello Sally and everyone

Try tattingcorner.com to search for teachers/mentors in a specific
location. I found an entry for Honolulu; there might be more?
Good luck.

Bev on a mild winter afternoon in Shirley BC

On Sun, Dec 29, 2019 at 2:12 PM Sally Jenkins  wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I've been asked if there is a tatting group in Hawaii, specifically on the
> Big Island. IOLI doesn't seem to have a chapter in Hawaii at all.
>
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Re: [lace] Train bobbin up on Flickr

[Bev Walker]

Hi Brian and everyone!

Excellent! To everyone, it is the newest photo in the Photostream menu.
Thank you, Brian. Most interesting!
Bev
On a clear morning, Vancouver Island

On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 10:48 PM  wrote:

> The Railway bobbin train!! is up on Flickr.
>
> Thanks Bev
>
> Brian
>
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Re: [lace] Thread puzzle

[Bev Walker]

Hi Lorri and everyone

If you want cotton threads instead, Pearl Cotton 12 for the 40/2, and a
quilting cotton size for the 80/2.
Hope that might help!
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Canada

On Sat, Oct 5, 2019 at 1:08 PM Lorri Ferguson  wrote:

> Does anyone know of substitute Threads for:   Morovia 40/2  and 80/2?
>
> TIA
> Lorri Ferguson
>

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Re: [lace] Convention photos

[Bev Walker]

Hello Devon and everyone

I googled the full name of IOLI and got this, so assume it is public?
Perhaps someone not on facebook can click-it, and let us know...:
https://www.facebook.com/pg/iolilace/posts/?ref=page_internal

On Wed, Jul 31, 2019 at 9:00 PM Devon Thein  wrote:

> I don’t think that you can see the photos if you are not on Facebook. The
> name of the Facebook page is International Organization of Lace, Inc. not
> IOLI. This is a source of confusion.
>
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[lace] Flanders example from "Het Lassen"

[Bev Walker]

Hello everyone

I have uploaded to Flikr two photos of a Flanders edging I made from "Het
Lassen" . They are in the Photostream section also. Although of a circular
edging, I hope they compliment Bobbi's diagram - the lace beginning and end
were done exactly as she describes.

The hand-sewing part I haven't done yet but would follow the ground outside
the ringed motif, and stitch as shown in Bobbi's second diagram.

If I recall correctly, this pattern and one other round edging are in the
"Het Lassen" publication. After learning how, I decided to pass it along -
if someone can confirm that Het Lassen is the pattern source, that would be
great.
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Re: Re[7]: [lace] Lassen question

[Bev Walker]

To help: At the top of the first page, beside the tab Albums, see the tab
Photostream.

On Sun, Jun 23, 2019 at 1:54 PM  wrote:

> Are you all looking at the photostream in Arachne's flickr account?
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/  On my screen they show up as
> the first two photographs.  I did not add them to Bobbi's album
>
> Sue
>
> suebabbs...@gmail.com
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[lace] "Het Lassen"

[Bev Walker]

Hello everyone

For anyone interested:
Listing M-020 in IOLI Library holdings.
   Het Lassen en Aannaaien van Kant, [Joining and att; Allis-Viddeleer,
Louise; 1993; Dut, Fr, Engl; 117p; History and techniques; 16:3, Spr95-96

... Het
> Lassen?
>
>
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Re: [lace] Lassen question

[Bev Walker]

"racroc" maybe, I think?
Yes it does have a different name.
ok, found it in Alex Stillwell's dictionary. Point de rac(c)roc or Point de
raccroche



On Mon, Jun 17, 2019 at 1:26 PM jviking @sover.net 
wrote:

> Is this the name that is used for the stitching to attach bands of
> Chantilly together to form the really big shawls? Or does that have
> another
> name?
>


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Re: [lace] Lassen question

[Bev Walker]

Then I wasn't far off the mark after all.
Thanks for the background information. Lassen and lace are "tied together"
in origin.
I like words.
Bev in Shirley BC Canada

On Mon, Jun 17, 2019 at 8:57 AM Gon Homburg  wrote:

> The etymology of the dutch word ‘lassen’ is:
> From Middle Dutch  lasschen
>

>  (“to join together”). Further etymology is unclear, but probably
> borrowed from Old French  lacer
>  (“to tie”).
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Re: [lace] Lassen question

[Bev Walker]

Possibly the logic for offering the term "weld" is that two pieces of
something are joined together (in some way) to look like one.
Sew together is more relevant.

It would be interesting to know the etymology of "lassen" - maybe has a
Latin origin. "Lasso" comes to mind, as also the root word of "lace" but I
could be over-thinking!
Bev in Shirley BC Canada

On Mon, Jun 17, 2019 at 6:26 AM Gon Homburg  wrote:

> Hi Jane,
>
> I think there is no translation of “lassen” used for lace in one word.
You
> could translate it as sew together.
>
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Re: [lace] Lassen question

[Bev Walker]

Hello Helen and everyone

The neat join called "lassen" is really effective. I followed the
instruction in the Book of Flanders by Niven; equipment required is one
very short, very fine needle, a pair of finely-pointed scissors, and a
joining thread that exactly matches the shade of the lace thread, and --->
two... counts finer. Not difficult to find. I have not seen anything about
6 times finer, maybe the scholarly booklet "Het Lassen" offers some
information.

"Lassen" worked for me, joining over the first and last repeats of a
circular edging in Flanders lace, and for a Binche lace hanky, joining
along one of the sides. Somebody mentioned corners. I do not think "lassen"
is done at a corner. I have seen mitred joins, but not the overlap join at
a corner.

Hope this helps.

On Sun, Jun 16, 2019 at 1:11 AM H M Clarke  wrote:

>  Was there some secret extra-fine thread ...
>
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Re: [lace] Sfilato Siciliano drawn thread

[Bev Walker]

Also search Sicilian drawn threadwork, found this, a 2010 blog, links still
active
http://italian-needlework.blogspot.com/2010/05/sicilian-drawn-thread-work.html?m=1

Bev in Shirley BC Canada

>
> On Sat, Jun 1, 2019, 15:41 N.A. Neff  wrote:
>
> > ...
> > Another source for scholarly papers would be to put sfilato into the
> > search engines of publication databases such as ProQuest or JSTOR, or ...
> >
> > On Sat, Jun 1, 2019, 13:54 Jane Bawn   wrote
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Re: [lace] I'm still here after all these years...

[Bev Walker]

Hello Jane and everyone
Me, too (still here).
We have it in writing, 1995 was the start. There are messages in our own
Archive regarding our 20th Anniversary in 2015
 https://www.mail-archive.com/lace@arachne.com/

and Liz Reynolds the list-founder mentions the start in the first sentence
at this page:
http://www.arachne.com/lace/list_instructions.html

*and* I found one of my commemorative bobbins inscribed 6th Anniversary
2001 :)
When I figure out how to post to flikr will share its photo. Also my
aluminum one from 1998 by Ends 'n' Odds, the lovely Tregallas family.

In 1997 the lace list was split in two, one for lace-related topics only,
the other for off-topic chatter. Quality control.

On Sun, Apr 28, 2019 at 3:22 PM Jane Partridge  wrote:

>  Checking the old Arachne Handbook (which Patty Dowden updated in 2000),
> she referred to the third anniversary in April as if it was April 2000,
> which would make the start year 1997 - possibly getting confused as that
> was the year Lace separated from Lace-Chat..
>
>
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[lace] the very start of Arachne

[Bev Walker]

Hi everyone, April 1995 I think? when Arachne, the lace e-mail list, first
hit the interwaves.
Just for the record..

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[lace] On Arachne since 1996

[Bev Walker]

Hi everyone
Changing the subject line from spam emails, better for searching the
archive!
Quoted below I have the others and part of Shirley T's message but not the
bit from Liz, also a '96-er (big grin)
I joined later that year, then there was discussion of a first year
commemorative bobbin,  didn't order one, but did the next year and a few
more after that. Those were heady days LOL.

Bev on beautiful Vancouver Island, west coast of Canada

On Sat, Apr 27, 2019 at 10:35 AM Angel  wrote:

> David and fellow Arachnids!
>
> Yeah! 25 Years is a very long time! I joined a couple of months after it
> started, but it was the same year! Never ever wanted to leave,  though I
> have had periods where I have lurked in the background due to a myriad of
> reasons! However, I do avidly read posts and even save useful ones! We have
> had many members pass on, which is sad, but we still have lacemakers,
> bobbin makers, bobbin historians, pillow makers, lace historians...etc!
> This is still the BEST place to learn about all things lace! Through thick
> and thin, we have been a solid lace community!
>
> Grateful to be a member!
>
> Cearbhael
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Apr 27, 2019, at 10:16 AM, David C Collyer 
> wrote:
> >
> > Me too Shirl!!
> >
> > I believe next year, 2020, will be the 25th anniversary of Arachne on the
> > internet!!B  Wow, that's a long time for group on the web. Wonder how
> many
> > 'first timers' are still with us.B  I joined in 1996.
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [lace] Re Devon Thein

[Bev Walker]

Hello Ann and everyone

A name happens to be in your e-mail address. The phishing-software doesn't
know 'you' but has detected a person's name.
You should have a 'report phishing' option in your message window, through
which your server, talktalk-dot-net (yes?) is alerted.

Hope this helps in some way.
Bev

On Thu, Apr 25, 2019 at 3:11 PM Ann Humphreys 
wrote:

> I wonder why it’s only me getting these emails. I am addressed as Dear
Ann
> which sounds personal.
> ...

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Re: [lace] Re bobbin winder

[Bev Walker]

Hello Alice and everyone

About replacements bands for The Pocket Bobbin Winder - I bought a packet
of neon colour rubber bands from the dollar store, work well, the colours
make them easy to find (a incidental plus LOL), seem to be a standard North
American stationery size. If the band slips/bobbin doesn't rotate I put a
bit of scrap paper in the trough part of the winder to provide friction
under the bobbin.
HTH

On Tue, Feb 19, 2019 at 8:44 AM Alice Howell  wrote:

>  Mine worked very well for many years -- but then the elastic bands that
> provide the tension wore out.  Replacing them with the right size bands in
> the USA is a problem.  It's very hard to find ones that fit.  This makes
> the winder less useful now than it used to be.  It will work on some
> bobbins but not others.  The current bands I have don't like slick bobbins,
> or continentals.
>

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Island, west coast of Canada

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Re: [lace] Making leaves on a bolster pillow

[Bev Walker]

Hello Ruth and everyone

I found this searching kloeppelspitzen formschlag at google-dot-de

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gm_DESWGT_w

Be patient through the intro. At 1:24 and onward you will see how the
tensioning goes.
I hope this helps.

On Sat, Dec 29, 2018 at 9:14 AM Earl & Ruth Johnson <
earlruthjohn...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Do you work on a bolster pillow?  Are you skilled in making leaves?  I
> started an Idrija pattern with leaves, and while I understand on paper how
> to do it, I cannot find information on the "technique".  I searched online
> for YouTube videos ...
>


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Re: [lace] New Web site devoted to Lace Bobbins.

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Hello Brian and everyone

Absolutely fantastic compilation. Congratulations to you, the webmaster and
editor Rochelle. Your magnum opus! which I for one will appreciate
referencing often.
Bev in Shirley BC Canada on a sunny Christmas morning.

On Tue, Dec 25, 2018 at 4:21 AM Ilske Thomsen 
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>
> congratulation. I am afraid I need 20 years to read and study your work.
> It’s incredible
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Re: [lace] Expanding cloth stitch with weaving techniques

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Just to add to the topic, Half-stitch is a three-way weave!

On Tue, Dec 11, 2018 at 1:15 PM Devon Thein  wrote:

> An interesting idea.
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Re: [lace] Expanding cloth stitch with weaving techniques

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Worth a try Joseph!
Something to know, cloth stitch in bobbin lace indeed resembles plain
weave, however in constructing it in bobbin lace we weave two rows at each
pass. Plain weave on a loom is one row, one pass, as for any woven pattern
I think ...though I'd be pleased to be shown otherwise.
It reasonably easy to add bobbin lace to weaving, making use of a long
fringe for example.

Bev in Shirley BC Canada

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> Just wondering if any of you have contemplated using weaving techniques
> inside our bobbin lace...
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Re: Fw: Re: [lace] Dis-moi Oui thread size

[Bev Walker]

Hello Lyn and everyone

I think your pattern, Dis-moi Oui (Tell Me Yes!) is in Polychrome technique
and requires silk thread, Soie d'Algiers if that helps?
Odette Arpin's pattern book of Polychrome lace uses silk threads
Bev W. in Shirley BC
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Re: [lace] Gekloeppelte-Weihnachtstuete

[Bev Walker]

Hello Frauke Lorenz and everyone!
What a neat idea for a Christmas ornament or little gift.
Thank you for sharing!

Bev in Shirley BC Canada

On Thu, Nov 1, 2018 at 12:29 AM Frauke Lorenz  wrote:

> Hallo liebe Arachnis
>
> Ich habe ein kleinen Klöppebrief für Euch in meinem Blog bei
> Crazypatterns eingestellt.
>
> https://www.crazypatterns.net/de/blog/1309/gekloeppelte-weihnachtstuete
>
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[lace] Re: [lace] Egyptian Linen - 'Ramesses Girdle’

[Bev Walker]

Hello Sue and everyone

This information is absolutely fascinating, Sue! Thank you for sharing.
The textile exemplifies their expertise in the technology of the time. A
mechanised loom for doing double-weave nowadays is quite a contraption vs.
hand methods.
That got me thinking about comparing machine made lace to handmade lace
which looks intricate to the casual observer!

I'm interested in the closeup photo that shows a narrow portion of the
textile. The ankh symbols were woven sideways, meant to be viewed
lengthwise; an efficient way to weave them. Tapestries are done like that;
often so are our lace patterns :)

On Mon, Sep 10, 2018 at 2:45 AM Sue Babbs  wrote:

> I’ve now been sent the details of the girdle in the World Museum in
> Liverpool, which I’m adding in here in case anyone on here is also a
weaver
> and is interested.
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Re: [lace] Temporary pins in Binche

[Bev Walker]

Hello again Susan and everyone

The following was meant for the list:

> On Fri, Sep 7, 2018 at 3:14 PM Kathleen Harris  wrote:
> I was taught the plait technique in Bruges,  for both Flanders and Binche.
> Kathleen
> Sent from my iPad

Thanks for writing, Kathleen.
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Re: [lace] Temporary pins in Binche

[Bev Walker]

Hello Susan and everyone

Another option for keeping the outgoing weaver pair under tension: make a
short, temporary plait with it and a nearby passive. Undo the plait when
the pair is needed in its new role as a passive. My preference to that or a
temp. pin is to swing the outgoing pair at right angles to the new weaver,
tensioning with the next two pairs, the new weaver and its first passive.
As Adele mentioned, the threads will tension all in place even without
temporary pins. Whatever works, of course!

Definitely practice by doing more Binche! The more familiar you are with
it, the easier to manage. Confidence building. My aim was to become
somewhat free of the diagram in that I didn't have to keep a mark-up copy.
So far so good on the latest project. All the same I'm a fan of the
removable arrow stickies for keeping track :)

And here is a bobbin minder "hack" - I ran out of sticks-and-elastic on
this latest project; I'd seen neat wooden tray-type bobbin holders before,
made by the lacemaker who was using them. What would I have on hand
instead...I put a wide-ish elastic band around an empty CD jewel-box, and
that worked fine. The thin style are best. I make use of cover cloths too,
layering small groups of bobbins between cloth instead of using bobbin
holders. Risky if using too many bobbins though in case of tangles.

HTH in some way
lace on
Bev

On Fri, Sep 7, 2018 at 11:13 AM Susan  wrote:

>  Still wrestling with bobbin management so I’ve ordered more tamers.


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Re: [lace] early lace video

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Hello Devon and everyone

The method shown looks like the way to do it for speed in production. In a
way reminds me of the efficiency of movement when touch-typing (now there's
a dying art, ha ha).
I've accidentally made lace the way she is doing - except really *slow* -
when I was holding the lace book open at a diagram with my right hand, to
look at while I used the fingers of my left hand to move the bobbins.
Fascinating. I wonder if she is making the leaf/tally with the left hand,
too. Maybe, maybe not.

On Tue, Jul 17, 2018 at 8:45 AM Devon Thein  wrote:

> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwcSaAXtZsc ...
> This youtube is interesting in that the woman is using her left hand
> way more than I use mine. In some cases, it seems like she does all
> the movements with her left hand and uses the right, principally for
> pin placement. Is this an aberration between two lacemakers, or do we
> think that this is historically correct?
>
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Re: [lace] Oldest lace group

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Hello Devon and everyone

I think for your purpose you could safely say oldest continuing group of
influence in USA.
Just a thought.

Bev in sunny Shirley, Vancouver Island, BC

On Sun, Jun 17, 2018 at 9:44 AM Devon Thein  wrote:

> I am thinking/writing about the impact of the lace organizations in
>
transmitting lacemaking skills


>
> Would it be true to say that the International Organization of Lace,
> Inc is the oldest continuing lace group?
>
>
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Re: [lace] Monica Ferris-Framed in Lace

[Bev Walker]

Needle lace too, especially Halas lace where the tiny fish motif, a triad I
think it is, is the "clue" or identifier of the lace. The only way to sign
bobbin lace easily that I can think of is to make a deliberate mistake,
such as put leaves where there aren't any in the design. Forced at best
IMO.
The cross-stitch resembling lace pattern is unfortunate.



On Mon, May 28, 2018 at 7:11 AM Devon Thein  wrote:

>
> The
> explanation for this is "This pattern is worked in a combination of
> straight or back stitches and cross stitches to look like bobbin
> lace." I think this is a sentence that doesn't make sense.

.


> Perhaps the plot would have been more believable if she had chosen
> embroidered filet as the lace medium rather than bobbin lace.
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Re: [lace] the logic of Binche

[Bev Walker]

Fun is the word!
I'd really like to be able to work lace intuitively.
Dance, too, but that's not going to happen except as bobbins dance, on the
pillow. Lace it is, diagrams or no, whatever works.

Happy lacing everyone, however way you like to make it.

On Mon, May 21, 2018 at 11:11 AM, Adele Shaak  wrote:

> ... if you made the lace yourself from nothing more than a cartoon. It
> might actually be more fun, too
>

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Re: [lace] the logic of Binche

[Bev Walker]

Hello Sharon and everyone

Indeed, literacy itself means competence in a given area.

I think the other is an ability we all have, that many of us forget to use
once we are taught read.

Straying off the topic of Binche, there is a poignant perspective on
learning to read and lacemaking, the chapter The Three Rs in Alan Brown's
"Take the Children..."
https://www2.cs.arizona.edu/patterns/weaving/books/ba_2_2000.pdf


On Sun, May 20, 2018 at 6:40 PM, Sharon Ghamari-Tabrizi <
shg...@mail.harvard.edu> wrote:

> .
> What's thrilling about your idea, Bev, is the notion of a kind of reading
> that *requires* reading all over, rather than from right to left.
>


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[lace] the logic of Binche

[Bev Walker]

Hello everyone and Jane who wrote:

>  I've never been taught Binche but I've made a few small pieces from
working diagrams and their construction makes absolutely no sense
whatsoever.

Exactly what I thought when I decided 'how hard can it be' and made a small
piece from its diagram. I am mostly self-taught from books, following a
diagram was easy enough. And then I was able to see up close an old example
of Binche; I marvelled at the mind and hands that created it. Fine, tightly
woven threads seemingly went everywhere, but here, too, was a pattern
repeat! Was there ever a diagram? Probably not. I got an idea, what if the
lacemaker didn't read; they weren't illiterate, they were skilled in other
ways. If they were unhampered by having to look at a page from left to
right, and by extension anything else -  could they see in all directions
at once? Maybe they learned their craft by watching someone else, as one
might when learning dance steps?

I still reflect on that, with no conclusion, but getting back to making
lace in the present, I like the new floral designs by Fumi Kanai and her
students, and all I do is follow the lace's diagram using lots of movable
sticky arrows to help keep track. Find the topmost element that needs doing
first and move on from there. It is usual for several sections across the
design to need attention before advancing. The direction of work is in a
general downward manner even though it seems like one is jumping all over
the place. Weaver pairs become passives and vice versa as required to fill
in a given space.

IMO working a Binche lace is puzzle-solving at its finest, whether
designing or dependent on the diagram.

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Re: [lace] questions for you lace makers living in California in the 1980s

[Bev Walker]

Hello Devon

The online source is the weaving archive, subsection documents relating to
lace, search Periodicals.
The archive url is in the link I posted.

(I hope you understand, I'm keying this from my iPod)

Good to know further information on the young man in New York!

Bev in Shirley BC west coast of Canada
On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 5:08 AM Devon Thein  wrote:

> Dear Bev,
> You seem to have a set of pdf's of the IOLI Bulletin? Are these
> available somewhere?
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Re: [lace] questions for you lace makers living in California in the 1980s

[Bev Walker]

Hello Sharon and everyone

Could your protagonist drive to San Bernardino? In this 1981 issue of the
IOLI Bulletin, there is an article, page 13 of the pdf, about the forming
of a new group of bobbin lacers, the Cross Twisters of San Bernadino,
wherein they invite anyone in the area of the County Museum to join them.
In the same issue, page 8 of the pdf, mention is made of ".One young man
from New York City...teaches lacemaking..." - perhaps your protagonist
connects with him while in New York in 1985 :)

Maybe your protagonist finds inspiration at the family-run retail shop
Lacis, for lace and the textile arts (it is now a museum of lace and
textiles). It was a busy place in the 1980's.
http://lacismuseum.org/kaethe/

Hope this helps.

On Mon, May 14, 2018 at 4:26 PM, Sharon Ghamari-Tabrizi <
shg...@mail.harvard.edu> wrote:

> ...
> SO: I would, of course, like to be historically accurate. I would like to
> show how rare the classes were. (but I do have to have Bobby actually take
> a class!)
> ...
> Any lace suppliers at the time?
>
>
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Re: [lace] Single space between sentences; avoid quotations/apostrophes

[Bev Walker]

Confessions of another old typist... I didn't find it difficult to change
space-space after full-stop to one space. Think of the finger strokes
saved! I had a situation as Adele mentioned, and that was a convincing
reason especially as putting two spaces after the full-stop changed the
desired paragraph format in an ugly way.
Lace content: It was a challenge to overcome, just like some aspects of
lacemaking.

This article discussing the science behind one or two spaces after the full
stop is amusing. Spoiler: Two spaces gets the nod .
*https://tinyurl.com/one-or-two-spaces-after
*


On Wed, May 9, 2018 at 12:14 PM Adele Shaak  wrote:

but I do know authors who have had to go through their 100,000 word
> manuscripts and take out every extta space..


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[lace] Regarding cliffhanger posts

[Bev Walker]

Hi all especially Devon, Jay and David

Could be something to do with encryption, If Win 10 uses 128-bit needing
conversion to 32-bit in majordomo technology.

F.y.i. Devon, have received the message about the grounds 3 times this
morning.
Regardless of the repeats I regret not having info to offer.

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Re: [lace] finge looping

[Bev Walker]

Quite so!
I prefer the broader terms finger weaving or finger braiding. A looping
system is like knitting, crochet, nalbinding perhaps?
Peter Collingwood's The Makers Hand has excellent categories for a range of
textile constructions.

On Sun, Apr 8, 2018 at 12:51 PM, Alex Stillwell 
wrote:

> Hi Arachnids
>
> From very early times narrow braids were used as thongs to hold leather
> clothing together and also as shoe laces which is much the same use..
> Making
> them using only thread and fingers would be very useful if a quick repair
> was
> needed.
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Re: [lace] Finger looping

[Bev Walker]

Hello Gillian and everyone

I am reminded of "Slentre Braid" which is made of 5 doubled threads,
anchored at one end, looped at the other. Briefly, two fingers of one hand,
three of the other hook into the loops where a weaving motion  takes place,
one loop through another. The result is a quickly-made two-faced braid, one
side looks woven, the other knitted. This isn't like the braid in Devon's
photo.
I don't know the term 'finger looping' - perhaps Slentre Braid is an
example. Or it could be finger weaving.

Could be a precursor to bobbin lace. I don't know.
The topic is absolutely fascinating!

On Fri, Apr 6, 2018 at 12:10 AM, Gilian Dye  wrote:

>
> I've been puzzled for a while by the prevalence of  finger looping - on the
> face of it is an unlikely technique to have developed. Why decide to put
> loops on your fingers instead of manipulating individual threads? Could
> these braids be a form of plaiting?
>


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Re: [lace] Re: Finger looping

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That is a better idea to me than a looped technique. Well spotted Jane


On Fri, Apr 6, 2018 at 6:37 AM Jane Partridge <mous...@live.co.uk> wrote:

> Jean or Bev Walker might be better than me at identification, but could
> these braids be formed by tablet weaving? I believe the technique does date
> back that far, and they certainly look similar to the braids I made as
> samples at college some years ago? Being a warp/weft technique, it would
> also explain the loose threads along the sides of some of the braid,
> possibly where the weft thread has worn away 'on the turn' over the years.
>
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[lace] diaper an all-over pattern

[Bev Walker]

Continuing from Adele's message, diaper (cloth) was woven with such a
pattern built-in, for absorbency and so became the name for the cloth used
for babies. In weaving terms, I believe it was called a 'rosepath'
threading, cf. 'roseground' in lacemaking.

For those interested, the word origin is Middle English "diapre" from Old
French "diapres" rooted in Greek "dia" (all-over maybe?) + "aspros" (white)

On Tue, Apr 3, 2018 at 3:09 PM, Adele Shaak  wrote:

> I’ve always understood that those patterns - very popular in medieval
> times - where there’s a matrix of diamond shapes, are called diaper
> patterns. So, a repeating shape, usually in a diamond form. I think the
> North American use of “diaper” for baby’s nappies comes from the
> traditional triangular shape of the pinned garment.


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[lace] raffle winners

[Bev Walker]

Hello everyone especially the 43 entrants in my bobbin raffle :)

It is Easter Sunday already for many of you; close enough to it in my time
zone. Into the Easter bonnet went the names. DH was the person nearest the
computer to do the draw The winners are

Lily Douglass, the bobbin.
Julie Todd - bookmark
Laura De Bruyn - bookmark
Heather in Ontario - bookmark
Carol Clausen - bookmark

Please send me your postal addresses.

Thank you all who entered. Great fun! Let's do this again some time :)

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Re: [lace] Magnifying glasses

[Bev Walker]

Hi Sue and everyone

I asked my optometrist about more magnification than my prescription
reading glasses offer, for lacemaking. I was prepared to explain what
lacemaking was, but she already knew :)  The technician helped me pick out
clip-ons; there isn't a trade name on them but they are the sort that can
be flipped down or up.
Hope this helps.


On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 5:05 PM, Sue Babbs  wrote:


> Any one else got magnifying preferences?
>

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Re: [lace] Valencienne bobbin

[Bev Walker]

>From the type of wood-turning machine, maybe?
I've seen some old bobbins like that, from the apparatus that holds the
bobbin wood piece for turning.

On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 9:32 AM, Karen ZM  wrote:

> The hole in the bottom of the bobbin (to reduce weight?) sounds rather
> interesting. I don’t think I’ve ever come across one before.
>



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[lace] bobbin raffle

[Bev Walker]

Hello everyone

I have a special spangled midlands bobbin to raffle, passing some luck
along since I won a nice Christmas bobbin from Jean's advent calendar
competition :)
Anyone on Arachne can enter, let me know you'd like to be in the raffle by
replying to this e-mail, or send me a new message with bobbin raffle in the
subject line.
I'll do the draw after I've heard that someone has seen this message on the
digest - or if the list is quiet,  the person nearest me and the computer
on Easter Sunday will pull a name out of the hat/Easter bonnet. Just for
fun there will be 4 consolation prizes of Lace Museum laminated bookmarks.
I will mail the bobbin and bookmark prizes to anywhere, if your name is
drawn you can give me your postal address then.
Bev
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Re: [lace] Our Lace Advent Calendar Competition

[Bev Walker]

What a pleasant surprise, and many thanks Jean and David for doing the
calendar and competition.
Thank you also for the link, after solving the palindrome it is fun to see
the lace source!

I would like to pass the luck along so there will be an arachne free raffle
from me in a few days.
I wish you all a prosperous and happy 2018

On Mon, Jan 1, 2018 at 10:07 AM, Jean Leader <j...@jeanleader.net> wrote:

> We've now pulled the winner of our Lace Advent Calendar Competition out of
> the electronic hat and the Christmas bobbin goes to
>
> Bev Walker
>
> You’ll find a picture of the complete piece of lace at
> https://www.jeanleader.net/calendar/answer.html
>


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Re: [lace] Walter Evans and Co.'s Mecklenburg thread No. 20

[Bev Walker]

Another tidbit  found doing a quick search in images per Walter Evans & Co.
(there weren't many), on a big carton label,  it was also known by its
trademark as Boar's Head Cotton Manufactory; Walter Evans & Co., Derby,.
Superior Crochet and Machine Cotton. In Soft and Patent Glacé .
With this in mind, I'm more certain that the specified thread was cotton.
Here is the link to the image:
http://threadwinder.info/hist/law/BoarsHeadSign.jpg

On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 10:51 AM, Bev Walker <walker.b...@gmail.com> wrote:

> PS - I'm not 100% sure it was cotton; could have been linen, if used on
> linen net.
>
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Re: [lace] Walter Evans and Co.'s Mecklenburg thread No. 20

[Bev Walker]

PS - I'm not 100% sure it was cotton; could have been linen, if used on
linen net.

On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 10:42 AM, I wrote:

> So, an embroidery cotton at least.
>
>
Bev

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Re: [lace] Walter Evans and Co.'s Mecklenburg thread No. 20

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Hello Joseph and everyone

I googled, Mecklenburg thread No. 20, and found this quote from 'Victorian
Embroidery, An Authoritative Guide' by Barbara J. Morris, 2003.
"...In nineteenth-century England, guipure d'art was worked in raised and
intersected patterns darned on a square network of linen thread. The thread
used was known as Mecklenburg thread and the best quality was made by the
firm of Walter Evans & Co. of Derby. The Mecklenburg thread came in eight
grades,  known as 2, 4, 6, 8, 10, 12, 16 and 20, No. 2 being the coarsest
and No. 20 the finest."
So, an embroidery cotton at least.
If you can print a pattern known to require this size thread, and try
different threads that you do have on it, could help decide an equivalent?


On Tue, Dec 12, 2017 at 10:32 PM, Joseph Young <
graceadlerdesi...@outlook.com> wrote:

>
> I am looking for an equivalent for this thread, Walter Evans and Co.'s
> Mecklenburg thread No. 20. It is mentioned in many old books I have read
> online. I would love a WPC equivalent if possible. I would love to know
> what type of thread it is too, like a mercerized or glazed cotton.
>

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[lace] lace schools

[Bev Walker]

Hello Devon, cc Diana and everyone

Your mention of what the lace schools were like brought to mind Alan
Brown's poignant publication, "Take the Children..."
https://www2.cs.arizona.edu/patterns/weaving/books/ba_2_2000.pdf

I found this  informative message in the lace mail archive, about lace
schools per research in Northamptonshire as Diana wrote:
https://www.mail-archive.com/lace@arachne.com/msg40674.html

I haven't anything to offer about the lace tell, sorry to say.

On Wed, Nov 22, 2017 at 5:18 AM, DevonThein  wrote:

> ... I am
> undecided about whether these lace schools were Dickensian work houses
> where
> children were forced in silence to work all day adhering to rigorous
> standards
> of quality, or whether they were more like kindergartens where they were
> inspired with rhymes and competitions while their harried elders tried to
> get
> something reasonably salable out of them.
>
>
>


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Re: [lace] St. Catherine's Day-Cattern Cakes

[Bev Walker]

Hello Devon and everyone

While I can't offer insights into a lace celebration (though, why not,
ale?! sounds a plan)I spent an instructional afternoon today testing
the Cattern Cakes recipe found here. Its rising agent is yeast, yes it
works as mix-in:
http://www.lynsted.com/Recipes/Cookbook/Cattern_Cakes.html

No references, scholarship doubtful? but the Tudor connection is
interesting. Coincidentally on PBS, there was a re-run of Bake Off, Tudor
Week - the Jumble Biscuits are spiced similar to Cattern Cakes. Their knot
configuration could be considered lace-themed?
http://www.pbs.org/food/recipes/jumble-biscuits/

At the PBS site there is a link to a UK-to-North American ingredient
converter. I used it to convert the measures for the Cattern Cakes with
yeast. As for any other time I've tried to make Cattern Cakes, the dough is
homely, the pinwheel effect is indistinct, the size of each cake is huge
(yield in this batch,12) and I needed 30 min. baking time even at 400 deg.
F. for crisp, as in not gummy and underdone, results. Two in the household
and a guest offered to sample, all having several just to make sure.
Perhaps appearance isn't the main thing.

HTH

On Wed, Nov 1, 2017 at 8:30 AM, DevonThein  wrote:

> ...
> I have been researching recipes for Cattern Cakes. One thing that leaps
> out at
> me is that none of them are accompanied with a photo of the finished
> product.
> In my cooking life I have found this to be a red flag signifying that it is
> quite likely that the recipe has never been kitchen tested, or never
> successfully kitchen tested. Has anyone ever successfully made Cattern
> cakes?
> If so how did you do it?
>

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[lace] Michel Jourde pattern La Dentelle

[Bev Walker]

Hello everyone

I have a pattern insert from a lace magazine I no longer have, an edition
of La Dentelle from about ten years ago. The insert has two patterns by
Michel Jourde, a circular 8-point design, number 010799A, and a 4-part wide
edging for a table cloth, number 160999A, no other identification. I would
like to unite the patterns with the respective edition, will send anywhere
if someone out there knows the issue details and would like another insert
otherwise will be discarded (seems a shame). Please contact me off list.

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[lace] starting lace from a bundle of threads

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Hello everyone, especially Susan,

On Fri, Oct 20, 2017 at 1:00 PM, Susan  wrote:

> ... I would like to have a better understanding of why a lacemaker would
> start out with a rolled clump of threads!  And is this the only lace that
> starts with a bundle?


I've used the bundle start in Flanders and Binche, and Rosaline, and any
time I want to do a quick sample of a lace; easy to hang a bunch from a big
pin and settle the group into pairs as you will have found when starting
Rosaline. For a wider lace, I use several bundles.

It was an efficient method where lacemakers were trying to earn income from
piecework.

HTH
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Re: [lace] Victoria

[Bev Walker]

Hello Janis and everyone

Not sure if this will answer your question, but there is a nice write-up
here about the TV Victoria's costumes:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/fashion/people/the-real-stories-behind-jenna-colemans-resplendant-victoria-cost/

On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 9:28 AM, Janis Savage 
wrote:

> Here is South Africa I am enjoying watching the TV serial on the life of
> Queen
> Victoria I am wondering if the lace is antique or was
> it especially made for the series?
>

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Re: [lace] Ghost pillow, voodoo pillow, pins

[Bev Walker]

Totally yes, can always make another diagram.
...and arrows! Vive la difference! I prefer them for Binche, as it takes me
as long to fumble around with pins and a board as it does to do same at the
lace pillow. For me the arrows are faster! I make a copy on heavy card-type
computer paper of the diagram, prop it anywhere convenient, use different
colour arrows, one for each point I need to keep track of - how it is with
Binche, lots going on in all directions. Sometimes I jot a note on the
arrow. Just in case the arrow flies off when away from my lace place, I put
the arrows copy inside a sheet protector. Even if it doesn't take long
to find place on the diagram vs. work in progress.
Great to have choices and to be able to do whatever it takes to enjoy
making the lace!


On Sun, Sep 17, 2017 at 9:11 AM, Anita Hansen 
wrote:

> In my initial Binche class it was suggested to use the sticky arrows.
> Hated them! It is so much easier to pull a pin out of the foam and quickly
> move it than it is to get an arrow off of paper and repositioned.



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Re: [lace] belgian color code cttct

[Bev Walker]

Isn't it a little black circle at the turning part?

On Thu, Sep 7, 2017 at 9:37 AM, N.A. Neff  wrote:

> Good question.  Might it be a green intersection (half stitch), little
> hatch mark for another twist, then another green intersection (halfstitch)?
>
> >
> > What is the Belgian color code for the turning stitch: cttct?
> >
>

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Re: [lace] Reposting Jeri's email on Levey

[Bev Walker]

Yes, and that's why the advice about the gmail addy.
(just sayin' as the expression goes)

On Thu, Sep 7, 2017 at 8:52 AM, Sue Babbs  wrote:

> Yes they do appear in the archive, but if I don't receive the original
> message from Jeri I don't know one has been sent, so I don't know to go to
> the archive to look for it!  When  someone replies to Jeri online, then I
> know to go to the archives.  A frustrating necessity!
>
>
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Re: [lace] Reposting Jeri's email on Levey

[Bev Walker]

Hello Devon and everyone
Jeri's e-mails do show at Lace - The Mail Archive
https://www.mail-archive.com/lace@arachne.com/

and probably always via the lace-digest. So many of us receive the
reflected list (individual messages) that I must say, agreeing with Sue, a
gmail address is better for tech. compatibility than one from aol.

On Thu, Sep 7, 2017 at 4:57 AM, DevonThein  wrote:

> Spiders, forgive me for reposting. But, I did not get the original Jeri
> post
> about Santina Levey and asked her for it.  I wouldn’t have known about it
> if
> Noelene hadn’t referenced it. Thanks, Noelene.
> I think that for the most part my gmail gets through. I am totally
> uncertain
> about how many people receive Jeri’s posts from AOL. Maybe half of the
> list?
>
>

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Re: [lace] Pam Mattioli's Butterfly Bookmark

[Bev Walker]

Hi Pene and everyone

I have this volume. There are 2 pairs plus 2 bobbins for the gimp
(headline, page 8). In the photo page 10, starting topmost,  there is one
pair for each wing, one bobbin for each antenna. The antenna bobbins
overlap at the bottom to end off. Each bobbin of a wing pair cross after
the first part of the wing, and overlap at the bottom to end off.

Now I want to make this bookmark!

On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 2:58 AM, pene piip  wrote:

> A friend wants to make this bookmark published in "Vuelta y Cruz/Twist and
> Cross" No. 2 (pages 8-10).
>
> Has anyone made this bookmark?
> Can anyone tell me where the path of the gimp goes around the motif?
>


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Re: [lace] Question

[Bev Walker]

Hello Ilske and everyone

About the angle of Tønder laces, I have not seen an answer to your
question. In the OIDFA Point Ground Lace study book, the angles given for
pre-1900 Tønder laces are 56 to 60 degrees; after 1900 it is 57 degrees
only.
Does this help?
Maybe someone else can add further information.

On Sun, Aug 13, 2017 at 6:33 AM, Ilske Thomsen 
wrote:

> Hello Everybody,
> I am wondering if all Tönder laces have the same angle or could they be
> different?
>

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Re: [lace] Rosaline

[Bev Walker]

Hello Alex and everyone

I have that little book, and back then I painstakingly (more like
painfully) attempted a translation with a basic online program for Dutch to
English, later a Dutch lace friend told me it was written in a dialect. But
I did manage to make a few of the motifs. May I recommend Ghislaine
Eamon-Moors Rosaline Lace instead - there should be secondhand copies
around and the new book by Judith Cordell, Rosaline Perlé.

On Tue, Aug 1, 2017 at 5:58 AM, Alex Stillwell 
wrote:

> Good afternoon Arachnids
>
> It,s now my turn to ask for help. One of my student wishes to learn
> Rosaline.
> I have a sound knowledge of Honiton but need to understand the differences
>

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Re: [lace] Lace art by Pierre Fouche

[Bev Walker]

The paintings are monotype, so not just paint slapped on canvas. I really
like them too! They are a stimulating contrast to the lace. What an
interesting exhibit.

Thank you to Jeanette for posting the link.

On Mon, Jul 31, 2017 at 1:22 PM, Sue Harvey 
wrote:

> . I think the lace is superb and love the paintings especially the
> colours.
>
>
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Re: [lace] a lace accident & Borax

[Bev Walker]

Hi Susan and everyone

That was a lucky save, and the piece looks lovely.
Just so you know, Borax is the common name for the naturally occurring
crystalline element sodium tetraborate decahydrate, and Borateem though
mostly borax, has a few additives. Both are just fine for whitening
fabrics, though where borax can be used instead of Borateem, it isn't
always advisable the other way around. I found the information, and more,
here:
http://sciencing.com/differences-between-borax-borateem-6807440.html

Onward, for sure.

On Sat, Jul 29, 2017 at 12:16 PM,  wrote:

>  so I grabbed the Borax.  Yes, the 20 Mule Team stuff promoted by the
> Old Ranger back in the day.  Thirty minute soak with intermittent
> agitation.  Not perfect but much improved so I don't think it will be
> necessary to dye the lace.


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Re: [lace] lace ID?

[Bev Walker]

Hello Susan and everyone

I found it finally, looked all through your album at Flickr but it is at
the beginning!
Just a guess, it looks like Romanian Point Lace. The grape motif suggests
to me Eastern European origin. I could be way off! but I don't see it as
Irish crochet.

On Thu, Jul 13, 2017 at 3:37 PM,  wrote:

> Hello All!  I just posted a scan of a lace mat that belongs to a friend in
> Ohio.  If anyone has an opinion as to its origin, I would love to know.
> The undulating cord, picot bars & Irish crochet motifs are quite robust.
> The entire mat is approxiimately 12"x12".
>



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Re: [lace] About OUR Exhibition of 1998

[Bev Walker]

Wow, David - thanks ever so much.
That was splendid to read, nearly 20 years on. I was 'there' - my little
lace piece was in the exhibit.
I still have it with a photo taken by another  Arachne friend who attended
the exhibit.
My lace sea shell is on its exhibit board with a beautiful collar by Alice
Howell, her Schneeberger frog, and Stormy Lee's Torchon cross :)

On Fri, Jun 16, 2017 at 6:46 AM, David C Collyer 
wrote:

> Dear Friends,
>
> Today I was looking through some old files on Arachne and was reminded of
> the Exhibition I organised back in 1998.


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Re: [lace] Testing whether Italics will process on Arachne's Old Server

[Bev Walker]

Hello again Jeri and everyone

First, ditto Shirley T. ! The arachne list is an ongoing delight.

Jeri, your underline, bold and italic won't be seen in any country. It
isn't the server, it is the software.
Our set-up permits punctuation but not formatting such as bold, italic and
underlining.

A way to indicate them in plain text is as follows:
An asterisk at either end of text is *italics*.
Two asterisks at either end, **bold**
An underscore at either end, _underline_

Some online chat-rooms will convert the * ** and _  to the real thing.

Another test: I'm wondering, if I use alt-codes, if other non-English
letters show up, such as
the  c in Alençon, the o of Tønder, the u in Cantù
If not, I'm sorry about the garble...

If I press Alt-3, will you all see a little heart ♥
If not, here it is in text <3



> On 08-Jun-17 4:04 AM, jeria...@aol.com wrote:
>
>> Thank you, Responders.
>>   What we have confirmed today is that none of the special characters on
>> our
>> keyboards, with the exception of quote marks, work in Canada, the U.S.
>> and
>> the U.K.
>
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Re: [lace] re: Ipswich Lace sampler book

[Bev Walker]

Hello Karen and everyone,

Good news, Karen, thank you! about the book in Canada (on my wishlist at
amazone-dot !) and about the corners :)

On Thu, Jun 8, 2017 at 5:41 AM, Karen Thompson 
wrote:

>
>  Canadian friends: I have been informed that the book will be listed
> on Amazon-ca after June 25.
>
> . Besides, corners in lace were not common in 1790 in this type of
> lace. Straight borders were
> gathered or folded for corners.
>
>

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Re: [lace] Testing whether Italics will process on Arachne's Old Server

[Bev Walker]

Hello Catherine, Jeri, and everyone

The mail list software will only show as plain, any formatted text (bold,
italics, etc.) .
See how it looks at the mail archive:
https://www.mail-archive.com/lace@arachne.com/msg50834.html

Idea: write the review on a blog for instance, to get the desired text
effects, and post the link to us on arachne.

On Wed, Jun 7, 2017 at 10:40 AM, catherinebar...@btinternet.com <
catherinebar...@btinternet.com> wrote:

> Quotation marks came through but italics, bold type, italics & bold type
> together, and underline all came through as normal type!
>
> >
> > As you know, color, fancy type faces, diagrams and photos cannot be  used
> > on Arachne mail..
>
>
>

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Re: [lace] Book on the Ipswich Samples from 1789-1790

[Bev Walker]

Hello Karen and everyone

Congratulations on this publication Karen! I inspected it at
amazon-dot-com. The inspection pages are a good indication of all the work
you've done, and an excellent buy for the lace library. It's not yet
available through their dot-ca but I will watch for it.
Thanks for posting.

On Tue, Jun 6, 2017 at 9:09 AM, Karen Thompson 
wrote:

> The samples of black silk lace edgings made in Ipswich, Massachusetts, in
> 1789-1790 are finally available to all lace makers and historians.
> "THE LACE SAMPLES FROM IPSWICH, MASSACHUSETTS, 1789-1790. Patterns and
> Working Diagrams for 22 Lace Samples Preserved at the Library of Congress"
> ISBN 978-0-9990385-0-5, by Karen H. Thompson is now in print!!
>

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Re: [lace] Chrysanthemum & Tonder lace

[Bev Walker]

Hello Susan

The 'Chrysanthemum lace' from Essential Vermeer is a classical lace from
earlier centuries, not the 'Chrysanthemum lace' referred to in the
Belleville book, and other current publications offering nice patterns for
mats and seasonal ornaments, e.g. hearts, Easter eggs, Christmas bangles.
Some free advice, you can be selective for your exhibit, aim for an
interesting overview about the laces your are confident in describing.

On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 6:42 PM, Susan  wrote:

> Thank you Jean!  Bobbi is definitely the Queen of Tonder lace!  As to
> Chrysanthemum, a connection with Bruges fits the "Flanders province"
> description on Essential Vermeer.
>
>

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Re: [lace] Lace Express

[Bev Walker]

Hello Carrie and everyone

Lace Express back issues are readily available for purchase at their
website.
www.laceexpress.com


On Mon, Mar 13, 2017 at 9:08 AM, Carolyn M Salafia <
carolyn.sala...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Agree one hundred percent. If there is an archive where copies can be
> purchased to benefit the printers or their designate I'm happy to do so.
>
>
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Re: [lace] Anne of Green Gables

[Bev Walker]

Or 'they' bought it by mail-order, e.g. the T. Eaton catalogue. If
interested, see pp. 92-93 of the 1907 Spring/Summer edition:
https://archive.org/details/eatons190700eatouoft

On Sat, Feb 18, 2017 at 9:37 AM, Devon Thein  wrote:

> My guess would be that they were making revival era lace like everyone
> else in 1908.  But, really, a very relavent question is "why do you
> want to know?" Are you advising a stage or screen version of Anne?
>

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Re: [lace] Anne of Green Gables

[Bev Walker]

Hello Nathalie and everyone

It has been a while since I've read Anne of Green Gables. I don't associate
lacemaking with that story.
Does the author mention lace?

On Sat, Feb 18, 2017 at 2:27 AM, Nathalie  wrote:

>
> I would like to know about laces from around 1908 regarding the
> story of Anne of Green Gables.
>
>
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Re: [lace] RE: Mechlin

[Bev Walker]

Hello Lorelei, Alex and Lace list

Speaking of Mechlin, by coincidence I noticed this lace in the latest
auction at Kerry Taylor:

http://kerrytaylorauctions.com/one-item/?id=383=%20=439

Interesting that its time-frame is given as circa 1760. I suppose that date
is what the previous owner, a collector, assigned to it.

On Sat, Feb 11, 2017 at 7:02 PM, Lorelei Halley 
wrote:

>
> I have never seen a lace with Mechlin ground with a design style that fits
> a
> date earlier than 



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[lace] Re: raffle

[Bev Walker]

Hello everyone
My DH drew a name from 'the hat' (a gift bag) and the winner is

Susan Reishus

Thank you all who entered, there were 15 names. Would have been lovely to
send a prize to each.

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> ...
> I have an narrow old pricking to raffle off, free to a good home.
>

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[lace] raffle

[Bev Walker]

Hi everyone
I have an narrow old pricking to raffle off, free to a good home. As is, in
an envelope, ready to mail postage paid to anywhere in the world.
It is for a point ground edging about 3/4 inch/20 cm. wide. The pricking is
18 inch/45 cm. long, of some vintage, a conventional three-loop design.
Looks to be accurately pricked, on sturdy paper, but showing its age.
View it here (hope the link works...):
*http://tinyurl.com/rafflepattern *
I bought it at a lace day, thinking I would set it up on my Midlands
bolster with some old Midlands bobbins.That isn't going to happen, and the
little pricking should go to someone else who would like it.
Reply to me privately with 'raffle' in the subject line. I'll take names
for a week or so, if someone could let me know that they've seen this
message on the lace-digest, a few days after that I'll ask the nearest
person in the house (could be a DH or a cat) to do the draw.

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[lace-chat] Re: [lace] Beware of Gmail phishing scam

[Bev Walker]

Hi Sue and everyone
Thanks for the warning, Sue. It is not just gmail. I just got one at
another address. The spamware mimics the server address. When I checked the
message pathway at the header, it was shown as "friend's-name-at-
suspect-server".
To see the pathway in a gmail message, on the right-hand drop-down menu,
click 'show original.' Also in that menu is the Report Phishing link - use
it if you get a suspect message.
We sure have to be careful about things like this. Certainly never click
anything that doesn't seem right.

On Fri, Jan 20, 2017 at 10:52 AM, Sue Babbs  wrote:

> I’ve just been alerted to a new scam being played on gmail users:
>

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Re: [lace] Beware of Gmail phishing scam

[Bev Walker]

Hi Sue and everyone
Thanks for the warning, Sue. It is not just gmail. I just got one at
another address. The spamware mimics the server address. When I checked the
message pathway at the header, it was shown as "friend's-name-at-
suspect-server".
To see the pathway in a gmail message, on the right-hand drop-down menu,
click 'show original.' Also in that menu is the Report Phishing link - use
it if you get a suspect message.
We sure have to be careful about things like this. Certainly never click
anything that doesn't seem right.

On Fri, Jan 20, 2017 at 10:52 AM, Sue Babbs  wrote:

> I’ve just been alerted to a new scam being played on gmail users:
>

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Re: [lace] Pink house

[Bev Walker]

Was it the installation blown up, the one at the Museum not the big house
itself?


On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 11:01 AM, Adele Shaak  wrote:

> Wow! What a lot of pink crochet. Hard to believe the amount of effort
> involved - and then she blew it up! I get that it was an art installation,
> you can’t save it forever, and what else would they do with all that pink
> crochet, but still - they did all that work and then blew it up! Plus, it
> was such a pretty little house.
>
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Re: [lace] Lace eye candy

[Bev Walker]

Hello Ilske and everyone

Thank you for the clarification, Ilske! The effect really is remarkable.
When someone thinks "outside the (lace) box" in this way, it is a pleasure
for the rest of us :)

On Sat, Sep 17, 2016 at 4:40 AM, Ilske Thomsen 
wrote:

> M. Th. Bonniol doesn’t „bath“ old lace in salt water. She creates
laces,
> with „big holes“ and let it lay in the salt water on the place she lives
a
> part of the Mediterranean Sea. The salt form crystals in the gaps of the
> lace. Astonishingly those crystals stay on the lace.
> These are really remarkable works.
>
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Re: [lace] Digital archives university of arizona

[Bev Walker]

Hello Susan and everyone

'don't panic' - Sue Babbs is right about the url for digital archives on
weaving and lace. The other is the university's main page, where you can
find the digital archives by using the search link there, which is the
google engine, same as what you used ;)

On Sat, Sep 10, 2016 at 9:09 AM, Susan  wrote:

>   When I entered cs.arizona.edu, I got a completely different page &
> couldn't find the Digital Archives.  Not a techie here, so have no clue
> what's up.
>

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Re: [lace] Danish 'Little Hearts'

[Bev Walker]

Hello everyone, this was meant for the entire list :)
You're welcome Lorri!

On Sat, Sep 3, 2016 at 1:48 PM, Lorri Ferguson  wrote:

> That's it.  I knew Arachne  would come thru.
>
> Thank you so much, Bev and the others who answered my cry for help,  and
> with in less than an hour too.
>
> Lorri
>
.Stott and Cook 100 Bobbin Lace Patterns, page 4. 
>
> On Sat, Sep 3, 2016 at 1:22 PM, Lorri Ferguson  wrote:
>
>> I am looking for the pattern for the Danish 'Little Hearts'.  Does anyone
>> know
>> which book or books it is in?
>>
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Re: [lace] Sewing Out

[Bev Walker]

Hello Dan and everyone

I'd say give it a try! There are water-based as well as the lacquer-based
head cements, yes?
Ether way, I don't think very much is needed to secure the thread end, the
tiniest of dabs, and shouldn't affect the rest of the lace.

Other items used in fly-tying and -fishing that are handy for lacemaking
include -
- hackle pliers to grab a very short thread end, such as when a bobbin
thread breaks and we need to tie in a new thread
- leader line for an excellent reusable magic thread,a sewing out aid in
itself
- the fly tying vice for a third hand when required
- monofilament instead of wire for spangling
and
- I like the tools for dealing with split rings when making markers for
knitting

This just might be the solution (pun intended) to the joins coming apart in
a large lace ornament I made.
off to raid someone's fly-tying kit (again)

Why not use head cement after tying the knot?
> .
> Thoughts?
>
>
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Re: [lace] Construction foam pillows

[Bev Walker]

Hello everyone

A serrated knife was recommended to me for cutting builders' board/hard
foam, so that's what I used to cut inexpensive pillows. Draw guidelines
then 'saw' carefully through the lines in deliberate movements.  Use a
piece of the foam as a self-magnet to pick up the bits. You can also use a
piece of the foam to sand the cut edge (sounds weird but it works). Good
luck with the project Susan :)

On Sat, Aug 13, 2016 at 5:27 PM, Liz Roberts  wrote:

> I used a steak knife on builders' foam. It was messy as little pieces went
> everywhere and it was full of electricity so the pieces stuck to everything
> (including me).  I used a foam cutter from Hobby Lobby to cut a pool noodle
> and it worked great. But the materials are different, so I don't know for
> sure.
>
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Re: [lace] Footside start

[Bev Walker]

Hello Nancy and everyone

If you have Practical Skills in Bobbin Lace by B. Cook, refer to item 18 in
Section 1, Starts and Edges, "Starting a straight piece of work with a
footside at the top as well as the edges..." and modify it to accommodate
the pattern's headside.

Hope this helps!

On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 3:35 PM, Nancy Neff  wrote:

> ...how to start continuous lace
> so the edge of the start looked like the footside



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[lace] art lace Olympic size

[Bev Walker]

Hello everyone

There was an impressive performance of weaving with lit-up strands at the
Olympic Games Opening Ceremony. Dancers representing indigenous people each
held a bar to which a number of strands were attached (reminded me of the
way a backstrap loom is set up), leading above the crowd. They created 3
gigantic stylised conical dwellings. I found a picture in a slideshow
posted to YouTube. If interested, find it at the 1:03 mark
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWqDr2d5rSM

It fits the definition of lace where thread (strands) surrounds holes in a
pleasing manner.
"Lace is where you find it."
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Re: [lace] this is genious

[Bev Walker]

oops looks like Spam to me. Don't click the link

On Wed, Aug 3, 2016 at 1:36 PM, tatman  wrote:

> Yo!
> I suddely came accross this stuff,  this is just genious, take a look
> <.>
> Typos courtesy of my iPhone, tatman
>
> [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of
> image001.jpg]
>
>
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Re: [lace] Category for Tenerife or Ruedas

[Bev Walker]

Needle-made or stitched textiles?

On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 8:54 AM, Devon Thein  wrote:

> What category would you ascribe if you were cataloging a piece of Tenerife
> lace or Spanish Ruedas? Under what words would you look for it? Would you
> call it "Embroidered Net"?
> ... Instead the structural integrity comes from a stitch made with a
> needle.
>
>
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Re: [lace] thread anchor

[Bev Walker]

Hello Sue and everyone

Not expert as such, but I'll have a go at describing:
With the threads neatly across the pillow, put the large pin under them
towards you (the lacemaker).
Deftly lift the pin back over the threads, and under again twisting so as
to catch the threads again in a backwards move, completing the half-hitch.

Push pin into the pillow further anchoring the threads. Easier said than
done?
I've tried it without attempting a hitch, just catching the bundle around
the large pin several times, and that has held, once pushed into the pillow.
Whatever works...

On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 9:08 AM, Sue Babbs  wrote:

> There is a very neat hitch around a large pin worked with the whole bundle
> of threads... I'd love to see a description from someone
>

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Re: [lace] thread anchor

[Bev Walker]

Hello Louise and everyone

Some ideas:
If you are using midlands, put pins through the spangles of the pairs in
waiting on the one side, while you work enough on the other side to anchor
that set.
If that isn't possible, bundle the set of pairs on the one side in a hanky,
cinching the hanky tight around the threads, and pin that firmly to the
pillow.
A stick bobbin holder helps, too, or put the pairs in waiting in a
crocheted bobbin minder pinned to the pillow.
Try a piece of cardboard for the "thingummy" ? even an emery board ?
You can do this, find a way that works for you :)

On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 8:30 AM, Louise Bailey  wrote:

> Dear Arachnes,
>
> Can you help  me with a name / supplier of a "thingummy" to help anchor
> threads when starting a piece with a trail working away in both
> directions. I
> have seen some somewhere -  a piece of wood (flat underneath) that you can
> pin
> over the threads in order and trap the bobbins  on one side while working
> the
> other. 
> Any other suggestions  on how to tame them gratefully received
>
>
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