Re: [lace] Tallies in 17th c lace (was: 17th century Genoese lace on Ebay)

2010-02-15 Thread Nancy Neff
Thanks, Tamara! That's a lot of useful information--I appreciate your taking
the time.

As I said to Sharon, I certainly still have a lot to learn! :-)
--Nancy
Nancy A. Neff
Connecticut, USA




From: Tamara P Duvall t...@rockbridge.net
 I didn't think theĀ 17th century
lace had leaves??

Yes it did. Leaves -- and other woven shapes, like
triangles -- appear even earlier...

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[lace] Tallies in 17th c lace (was: 17th century Genoese lace on Ebay)

2010-02-14 Thread Tamara P Duvall

On Feb 14, 2010, at 13:09, Nancy Neff wrote:


I didn't think theĀ 17th century lace had leaves??


Yes it did. Leaves -- and other woven shapes, like triangles -- 
appear even earlier than 17c, at least in Genoese lace. By early 17c 
they were fairly common. I'm pretty sure that the Parasole pattern 
book, on the Arizona U website, has some patterns with leaves.


But, although some were made the same way we make them now, quite 
often, they were constructed a bit differently.


We now make leaves with just two pairs/4 *threads* -- one thread weaves 
over and under the remaining 3. Many of the early laces used 4 *pairs* 
in the construction of a leaf, with one pair whole-stitching through 
the remaining 3 (or more, if more pairs needed to travel somewhere 
else), with the shape determined by the number of twists on the weaver 
(between the edge and the central pairs).


Janet Arnold's book -- Patterns of Fashion 4 -- has a photo of lace (in 
possession of the Metropolitan Museum of Art, NYC), dated c1575-1600, 
which has leaves made in a manner similar to ours, with one thread 
weaving around others. The difference is that the weaver -- coloured 
(purple or gold) is added and removed as needed and it weaves around 
the 4 (rather than 3) basic colour threads, making realy nice, fat, 
pumpkin seed tallies.  (p 55. plate 72A)


Rosemary Shepherd's book -- An Early Lace Workbook -- shows both types 
of tallies. A probably second half of 16th c piece, on p56, uses two 
pairs, with one thread as weaver. Two more pieces, also second half of 
the 16th c, have both 2-pair leaves and 4-pair triangles (pp 71-74).


So far as I can tell, *the only* progress we have made (technique-wise) 
since the earliest laces, is in the area of half-stitch; I haven't seen 
any motifs made using it (never mind grounds, which are later). But, 
given that we seem to have forgotten, since that time, some other -- 
equally clever -- tricks, the honours are at least even :)


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Tamara P Duvallhttp://t-n-lace.net/
Lexington, Virginia, USA (Formerly of Warsaw, Poland)

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