[lace] Lace in India - Sulochona correction

[lacel...@frontier.com]

Sorry -- but I had the wrong name in mind on the fan project.  It was Janya
in Thailand, not Sulochona in India.  I was also told that when the fan was
finished, it was mounted on gold fan sticks.  Wish I could see it!
Alice in Oregon

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Re: [lace] Lace in India - Sulachona

[Janis Savage]

I can almost remember seeing a picture of this fan on a facebook page some
years ago. It was absolutely stunning. I don't know if I could find this
picture again. Maybe someone else can find this picture. I did share it with
friends at the time on my facebook page.

Janis in South Africa



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RE: [lace] Lace in India

[Jay Ekers]

In January 2014 ago we were in Cochin in Goa, a southern Indian state settled 
by the Portuguese.
Nuns among the settlers made lace and the knowledge has been passed down.  I 
bought a bobbin lace doyley in a shop selling lace and embroidered items by a 
local women's group so a few years ago lace was still being made commercially 
in at least one place in India, albeit in small quantities.

Jay in Sydney
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So 40 years ago bobbin lace was being made commercially even if on a small 
scale.

Anna from a very wet Sydney

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Re: [lace] Lace in India - 2

[Jeriames]

Of course, I was writing about Sulochana in my previous post.  She was  
delightful.  I shopped for bobbins and lace supplies for her here and in  the 
U.K.  She sent lovely hand-made Indian treasures in return.  When  her 
under-age-for-college son received a full scholarship to a  university here in 
Maine, I drove there to meet him and his father and took  them by car to see 
the Atlantic Ocean at Arcadia National Park - where  Cadillac Mountain meets 
the sea.  The rocky heavily  forested Maine landscape near the Atlantic 
probably was  very different from the landscape near the Indian Ocean!  I  
offered to be a Maine contact in case of emergency, a  role appropriately taken 
over by her son's roommate's  mother.  Sulochana's son went on to graduate 
school elsewhere in the  U.S.  The family moved to another India location some 
time after  this.  (I am deliberately leaving out details.)  
 
Unfortunately, I have lost contact with Sulochana in the years since.   The 
memory of her is strong; always sparked by the little treasures she  sent 
here to her American Fairy Godmother.  She enriched my life.  I  like to 
imagine she is now teaching a granddaughter how to make lace.
 
Jeri Ames in Maine USA
Lace and Embroidery Resource Center

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[lace] Lace in India/Catherine C. Channer

[Diana Smith]

Possibly the most well known teacher of lace in India was Miss Catherine C. 
Channer, at Scots Mission at Kalimpong, she was in charge of the lace school 
there for four years.
She began giving lace classes in the early 1900's, unfortunately having to 
return to England in 1909 for health reasons.

Staying with her brother, a forestry officer, she wrote to the editor of the 
Northampton Daily Chronicle 
"Though away from the lacemaking counties, I still make lace, and find it is a 
splendid occupation for jungle life. When we move to another bungalow or pitch 
our tents in a fresh spot my pillow is rolled in a hold-all and strapped to the 
back of a camel or dumped into a bullock cart. The luggage goes in the night, 
and when we arrive next day there is pillow and lace-horse set ready for me by 
attentive turbaned servants."

Diana in Northamptonshire 

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Re: [lace] Lace in India

[Tregellas Family]

OIDFA in Finland was in 1996 'cos that's when I was queried about our 
aluminium bobbins as someone won them in a raffle.  We connected to the 
internet in August of that year and also when I joined 
Arachne.  how time flies when one is having fun.


Cheers,
Shirley T.  -  still having fun with lace and the internet   :-)


On 08-Mar-17 7:08 PM, Kathleen Harris wrote:

I think it was Sulachona who was on the trip from UK to the OIDFA congress in 
Finland, some years ago now though. If so, she was a keen lacemaker and a 
lovely lady.


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Re: [lace] Lace in India

[Kathleen Harris]

I think it was Sulachona who was on the trip from UK to the OIDFA congress in 
Finland, some years ago now though. If so, she was a keen lacemaker and a 
lovely lady. 


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RE: [lace] Lace in India

[Noelene Lafferty]

I'd be interested to know if Sulachona is still lacemaking - she was the
inspiration for my "Peacocks and Rainbows" poem.

Noelene at The Angle
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> We did have an Indian lacemaker, Sulachona, on Arachne some years ago. I
> don't know if she is still around?
> 
> Jane Partridge

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[lace] Lace in India

[Jane Partridge]

We did have an Indian lacemaker, Sulachona, on Arachne some years ago. I don't 
know if she is still around?

Jane Partridge 

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Re: [lace] Lace in India

[Anna Binnie]

I'm not sure if it still happens, in the mid 1970's the Indian 
government were trying to support rural industries by selling their 
wares in government sponsored shops in touristy areas of India, such as 
Delhi and what was Bombay. I bought a number of items in these stores, 
dresses embroidered with mirrors and a nightie and dressing gown hand 
embroidered with handmade bobbin lace trims. I still have many of the 
items I bought since they were very good quality and reasonably cheap 
for what they were. So 40 years ago bobbin lace was being made 
commercially even if on a small scale.


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Re: [lace] Lace in India

[Jeriames]

Dear Alison,
 
There is a long history of nuns making bobbin lace in Asia.  They went  
there as missionaries from European nations.  I have a  Mechlin lace-trimmed 
handkerchief beautifully handmade in the early  20th C. that was probably made 
in Asia.  It is a very convincing copy of an  18th Century lace, shown on 
page 162 of Lady Emily Reigate's Illustrated Guide  to Lace - border of 
basket of flowers alternating with huntsman and  reindeer.  After considerable 
study, several experts concluded that  this copy could have been made in Asia.
 
There are many clues as to the possibility of nuns teaching the finer  
points of lace making in Asia, but it is generally not documented very  well 
and 
would have been very controversial in Europe in the period when  handmade 
bobbin lace was "going out of business".  The wealthy had  connections with 
lace dealers, and could have handmade laces made wherever  they could be 
completed at the least expense.
 
My handkerchief is too small in size to be an 18th C. "flirting  device" 
(clue 1).  It has an Art Deco-style monogram on the  linen (clue 2).  The lace 
is made to turn corners, whereas the  original lace would have been 
gathered at the corners (clue 3).  The  lace is sewn on by a sewing machine 
(clue 
4).  Etc.  
 
This has been studied in a museum using the best possible  magnification 
and photographic equipment, and it has been compared to  the original 18th C. 
lace.  Most collectors would have discarded  the handkerchief, but I felt 
young inexperienced scholars of the future can  learn a lot from examples like 
it.  It was offered as a gift to the museum  - for study purposes.  After 
over a year with no action, I asked that it be  returned.  Museums tend to be 
short-sighted, to the detriment of  future research.
 
Early in Arachne's history, we had a lacemaker from India who had a  
Master's Degree from a London university.  Her children were in  university.  
She 
was employed by one of India's largest corporations.   She made lace as a 
hobby.  So, technically, handmade lace is made in  India.  If it is 
"manufactured", it is probably made by machine  now, with perhaps a few 
exceptions 
(the same as everywhere in the  world).  From time-to-time we do read about 
Asian lacemakers - in  our Guild magazines.  Japanese and Korean lacemakers 
attend OIDFA  Congresses, and there is a good exchange of information and 
teachers in  place.  You have to consider the "economic" impact on womens'  
activities of this kind in some nations.
 
Your question was brief, but there is much to consider.  Is  this helpful 
information? 
 
Jeri Ames in Maine USA
Lace and Embroidery Resource Center 

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Re: [lace] Lace in India

[Adele Shaak]

I didn’t see the show and I don’t know about the nuns, but just a few years ago 
I remember having a discussion here on Arachne about hand-made lace still being 
commercially made. There was some report - either on TV or in print, I’m not 
sure - that mentioned two places:  India, and China. I remember that the girls 
in India would get about $1 per day for making lace. I think the Chinese girls 
got less; I may have this wrong. 

Adele
West Vancouver, BC
(west coast of Canada)

> Hi 
> 
> Did anyone else in the UK see Sunday night's episode of the Good Kama
> Hospital? For those not in the UK this is a hospital drama set in in India.
> The opening shots showed nuns making bobbin lace to be made into wedding
> dresses.
> 
> Is this accurate, is lace still being made for sale in India today?

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Re: [lace] Lace in India

[Sue Harvey]

I saw it too, but it was a fleeting shot ...wish they'd shown more

Sue M Harvey
Norfolk UK 

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> Yes I saw it and was surprised to see the nuns making bobbin lace!
> 
> Catherine Barley
> Henley-on-Thames
> UK
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>> On 7 Mar 2017, at 09:39, Alison Gray  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi 
>> 
>> Did anyone else in the UK see Sunday night's episode of the Good Kama
>> Hospital? For those not in the UK this is a hospital drama set in in India.
>> The opening shots showed nuns making bobbin lace to be made into wedding
>> dresses.
>> 
>> Is this accurate, is lace still being made for sale in India today?
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[Sue Harvey]

So sorry, forgot to trim 
Sue M Harvey

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Yes I saw it and was surprised to see the nuns making bobbin lace!

Catherine Barley
Henley-on-Thames
UK

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> On 7 Mar 2017, at 09:39, Alison Gray  wrote:
> 
> Hi 
> 
> Did anyone else in the UK see Sunday night's episode of the Good Kama
> Hospital? For those not in the UK this is a hospital drama set in in India.
> The opening shots showed nuns making bobbin lace to be made into wedding
> dresses.
> 
> Is this accurate, is lace still being made for sale in India today?
> 
> 

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[lace] Lace in India

[Alison Gray]

Hi 

Did anyone else in the UK see Sunday night's episode of the Good Kama
Hospital? For those not in the UK this is a hospital drama set in in India.
The opening shots showed nuns making bobbin lace to be made into wedding
dresses.

Is this accurate, is lace still being made for sale in India today?

I remember reading Black Narcissus by Rumer Godden [it was later made into a
film].That was set in India and I think that nuns were portrayed
lacemaking. Bu ihat was in the 1930s or 40s.

Alison in Colchester, Essex. UK where it's sunny and there is a scent of
spring in the air
 

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Re: [lace] Lace from India

[Sue]

After all the chat about this it was lovely to see and read and I wish them 
every success.  To see this beautiful craft continued and successful after 
such a disaster will be great.

Sue T in Dorset UK


For those who are interested in the products being made and sold by the 
lace
makers employed by Mrs. Seth, Ellen Byron has given me this website 
address
which is the address of the lace business of Victoria D'Angelo. It has 
quite a

few pictures on it, even some of Ellen interviewing the lacemakers.
_http://www.dangelohome.com/_ (http://www.dangelohome.com/)
Devon

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[Ilske Thomsen]

Thanks for that, Devon


_http://www.dangelohome.com/_ (http://www.dangelohome.com/)


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[lace] lace in India

[Tess Parrish]

Thanks for the article on Indian lacemakers.  If anyone is interested 
in reading about the same in 1904 and 1909., there are two nice little 
books of instruction in torchon written for Indian lacemakers at:


http://www.handweaving.net/DAList.aspx?Type=AuthorAuthorID=1319

The books are called Torchon Lace-Work and are by A.M.Sime.  They can 
also be found on CD #4.


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[lace] Lace from India

[Dmt11home]

For those who are interested in the products being made and sold by the  lace 
makers employed by Mrs. Seth, Ellen Byron has given me this website address  
which is the address of the lace business of Victoria D'Angelo. It has quite a 
 few pictures on it, even some of Ellen interviewing the lacemakers. 
_http://www.dangelohome.com/_ (http://www.dangelohome.com/) 
Devon

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