Re: [lace] Robber Baron Slide duplication

2005-10-05 Thread Aurelia Loveman
Dear Devon --  Maybe  with your powers of persuasion, you could 
persuade the Met  to make a gift to the IOLI? The Met gets so much 
getting that maybe it could try a bit of giving? That would solve 
some of our problems.  --  Aurelia


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[lace] Robber Baron Slide duplication

2005-10-04 Thread Dmt11home
It is certainly gratifying and flattering that people have enjoyed this  
slide show so much that they would like it available on loan, but really, I  
don't 
think it is feasible.
 
Tamara threw out the figure of $300 for copying slides of my talk. Actually  
this is a figure that represents what it would cost if I went to a photo store 
 and had them copy the roughly 300 slides in the show. In reality, it could  
not be done. When you photograph in a museum you sign papers to the effect 
that  you will not publish any images of a museum object without permission 
from 
the  curator. You are also not supposed to duplicate slides purchased from a  
museum, such as the Cooper-Hewitt which sells slides for $10/piece. (Therefore 
a  slide show of Cooper-Hewitt slides numbering 300 would cost $3,000 to buy 
and  someone would have to write a script tying them together.)
 
When we publish a picture in the IOLI Bulletin, we have filled out forms in  
triplicate telling the exact nature of the publication, its circulation, the  
name of the article, etc. and are given permission only for this purpose. 
There  is frequently a charge, especially for images from the museum, which 
sells 
only  8 x 10's. The charge in the past for the use of these images is usually 
$18  because our organization is characterized as scholarly, non-profit the 
lowest  tier of expense. When I gave my class at the convention I obtained a 
digital  image from a museum in York, England which they very  kindly 
transmitted for free when I explained the purpose, but I had to fill  out forms 
in 
triplicate, again, first faxing, then following up with a hard copy  sent 
overseas. As I recall, I had to tell them how many people would be in the  room 
when 
the image was projected on a screen.
 
Giving a slide talk seems to be a bit of a loop-hole in the entire  
publishing/copyright area, since the projection of an evanescent image is not  
considered to be publication. Things become much murkier when you start  
duplicating 
the show for others to give. 
 
I suppose that it is not impossible that if I wanted to spend a year  writing 
letters for permission to duplicate my slides and buying individual  slides 
from museums, it would be possible to put together such a show for the  IOLI 
library. I seriously doubt that the IOLI would offer to pay for the slide  
duplication and purchases which would run into many hundreds of  dollars. They 
run 
a very tight ship at the IOLI.  But let me indulge  in a moment of vanity and 
suggest that, even if it were possible, it would not  be the same show. I 
actually practice the entire show at least seven times  before each 
performance 
to try to get the timing down. For those who have not  seen it, there are 
sometimes as many as seven slides shown during one sentence  and there is some 
variation in the talk as well.
 
The economics of putting together such a slide show may be of  interest. 
Although no one writes a lace slide show with the idea of getting  rich and 
within 
our lace organizations it is very much a matter of making fun  for each other 
that inspires us, it actually cost me $1000 in film purchases and  processing 
to do the photography for the show. You take many more slides than  you use. 
I also bought a new lens for $500. And then there were the expenses of  doing 
the research. It costs at least $30 just to go into New York and back. I  
estimate that in total, it cost at least $2000 to do this bit of creative  
whimsy. 
It was enjoyable and a challenge, and although my husband  and I never 
imagined it would be so expensive to do this show, we  chalked it up to the 
expenses 
associated with my hobby. (Actually, for that much  money, you might think it 
ought to be a better show.) I am sure the price paid  by officers of the IOLI 
and those who plan conventions comes in higher than that  in their personal 
finances. 
 
Last year I handed my accountant only the film and processing charges  
($1000) and told him I thought we should write some of them off each time I 
gave  
the talk, figuring that if at least I didn't have to pay tax on the speaking  
fees, usually $125 per performance in the lace world, that would be  
advantageous. Blithely, he declared he would write it off against other income  
and claim 
my fees in later years as income. Even though I tried to caution him  about 
not being too optimistic about future income, he did this. I had heard  certain 
things about hobby farms and how you have to occasionally make some  income 
on something to write off the expenses and was a little leery about this.  
But, hey, he's the professional, and he thought it was the right thing to do.  
When I went to pick up my finished taxes, my blood ran cold when he waived  
good-bye with the cheery admonition, Try to generate some income on that slide 
 
show! 
 
Well, this has become a bit of a running joke around our household, as you  
may imagine, as we hypothesize that I may be the 

RE: [lace] Robber Baron Slide duplication

2005-10-04 Thread Patricia Dowden
... Now, if I could just suppress the ideas percolating in my brain for future  
slide shows, at least until I give this one the six more times I have to give 
it  to avoid going to the Big House! 
 
Devon
on her way to Sing Sing

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Hi Devon,

It seems the Robber Barons have a long reach to affect us this way.

Patty

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Re: [lace] Robber Baron Slide duplication

2005-10-04 Thread CLIVE Rice
Devon, you are a hoot!  We'll all club together and car pool to visit you at 
the Big House; maybe they'll send you to Alderson - they did Martha!  That 
is a fairly short drive from me and I can pick Tamara up enroute...Since we 
all enjoyed your talk and show in Denver, maybe we could take turns serving 
your time...


Betty Ann in Roanoke, Virginia USA
Full of Ideas

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... Now, if I could just suppress the ideas percolating in my brain for 
future
slide shows, at least until I give this one the six more times I have to 
give

it  to avoid going to the Big House!

Devon
on her way to Sing Sing



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Re: [lace] Robber Baron Slide duplication

2005-10-04 Thread Lorri Ferguson
.. Now, if I could just suppress the ideas percolating in my brain for future
slide shows, at least until I give this one the six more times I have to give
it  to avoid going to the Big House!

Devon
on her way to Sing Sing


But just think how much time you will have to make lace, or work on the future
slide shows.

Lorri  wishing I had the talent to do as well as you did.

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